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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on February 08, 2015, 09:57 AM:
 
Just curious as what ya'll are using ?

I think Tom mentioned throwing charges in one of these threads ? looks like you can get metering inserts and such.

I've never thrown charges, thinkin' it might be about time ?
 
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on February 08, 2015, 01:11 PM:
 
I used a Redding powder measure for a whole lot of years until a friend told me I should look at a RCBS ChargeMaster 1500. Meters accurately even with coarse powders like IMR 4831. I can recommend it.

I always threw the charge a little under and then trickled the powder to the desired charge. The RCBS does the trickling for you making it fast and accurate.
 
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on February 08, 2015, 01:50 PM:
 
Dave, I'm not trying to avoid your question but... depending on what you've accumulated in reloading tools and your comfort level, if I was starting all over from scratch I would call Dillon and buy one of their progressive press's, a quality scale, primer tray, case lube and rock on. A 550 or 650 kit will load anything from handgun ammo to (probably)458win mag. Mounted solid(!) the included powder measure will throw accurate & safe charges every time.

Now back to your question, the Redding powder measure in on sale @ midway dot com. Maybe the price can be beat somewhere else but they list it as being in stock.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2015, 02:04 PM:
 
You might be thinking of charge bars used for shot shell reloading? There are no "inserts" per se.

The Redding is a real good measure.

Here's the deal. If you throw charges, (in a powder measure) and you use spherical powders, that might be all you will ever need, as far as the accuracy required for hunting predators.

You will need a scale anyway, whether you do as Moe indicated and throw a charge slightly under your target weight and then trickle the last few tenths of a grain by hand. What I hear about the chargemaster is it's very slow.

If you are as anal as I am, and you get in the habit of weighing every charge, some say it's unnecessary and others disagree. Then, when you get back in the F class competition, 1000 yard targets, then t"hey say" you need a Prometheus because a tenth of a grain accuracy isn't good enough.

Whatever. I weigh, but within a tenth of a grain is GOOD ENOUGH FOR THIS KID.

There are a few very expensive powder measures intended for benchrest, Harrell and I think Sinclair makes a precision metering powder measure. I don't need that kind of accuracy, but if I had Fred's, or Tom's money, I'd get one. (just kidding!)

I think the Redding is model 3R?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Moe (Member # 4494) on February 08, 2015, 03:34 PM:
 
When I'm reloading I get in a rhythm and lose no time with the Chargemaster. I always check the first few loads with the scale and once I see it's throwing right I just move along. I've heard there's way to speed it up but I haven't found that necessary.

It may seem slower because instead of dinking with trickling you're waiting on the charger to do the job. I start the charger and ready the next case. No time lost. I'm a stickler for accuracy.
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 08, 2015, 05:20 PM:
 
I thought the Chargemaster was the ticket for a few years but I was always waiting for it to trickle that last bit of powder.

I bought a micrometer type head for an RCBS thrower and found it weighs out pretty even charges provided you are consistant in raising the lever. I'm pretty sure I've never gotten over 2/10's difference. I figure if the progressive presses can throw accurate charges, why do I need to wait on the Chargemaster?

I'm sure there are better options but this one works for me and I still shoot near max loads with no change in accuracy.
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 08, 2015, 05:22 PM:
 
And another thing, I write down the setting for each load and next time I just dial right to it, throw 10 charges and weigh each one then start filling cases.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on February 08, 2015, 05:42 PM:
 
Ya know, I started reloading 11-12 years ago now. I was unsure as to what measure to buy and never got around to getting one.

I bought the Lee spoons and found I can get pretty darn close with them and trickle the rest of the way. Used a Hornady balance beam scale and bought a RCBS rangemaster 750 two years ago, mostly because I can read the digital readout, without wearing readers.

I think, I meant to say micrometer body or something. Looks like the Redding 3BR comes with that. I wasn't sure what all that meant exactly.

For some reason the Redding was in my mind, and you guys say good things about them.

(edit) had to walk away Tom posted while I was gone. Interesting.

[ February 08, 2015, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 08, 2015, 06:25 PM:
 
I'm in the habit of double knocking the handle on the powder measure, up and down. As I said, some powders meter better than others, especially spherical, so if you dislike weighing your charges, find a ball powder in your burn rate.

Of course, all this is relative. Talking high power rifle cartridges is one thing. Practice loads for your 45 is something else. It would be a colossal waste of time to scale 8 grains of Herco for 500 loads. Even the scoop makes sense in that scenario.

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 08, 2015, 07:45 PM:
 
I load RL22 in my 243AI elephant gun, RL19,17 and 15, TAC, Unique, Herco, H414 and a few others in my mouse guns. Some don't work as easy but they all work.

I guess a Chargemaster is a good thing to have but I prefer to throw em, no law against having both.
 
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on February 09, 2015, 03:07 AM:
 
I use the rcbs it works well with ball powders hence I try to find loads that work well with benchmark if I can. It sometimes hangs up with stick powders. I always under measure and trickle with a Redding trickler and weigh every charge on a Lyman digital. One neat trick I use if I over pour is to use the sticky side of a 'post it' note to remove powder and put it cleanly and controllably back in the hopper or trickler.
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 09, 2015, 04:13 AM:
 
I don't weigh my charges, I throw them.

My measures are the stupid expensive pretty kind. But they aren't any more accurate than a Redding. Just get one with micrometer style clicks so you can go back to the same charge when needed.

Oh, and don't do the old handle knock thing Leonard talks about. That's how I was taught to do it, but I was taught wrong. You'll get more consistent throws with a nice steady, even movement.

Knocks required if your powder is bridging though...

- DAA
 
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on February 09, 2015, 07:12 AM:
 
quote:
I used a Redding powder measure for a whole lot of years until a friend told me I should look at a RCBS ChargeMaster 1500. Meters accurately even with coarse powders like IMR 4831. I can recommend it.
I have that set-up too. When I started reloading, I was using a beam scale. Weighed every charge. Talk about slow.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2015, 08:38 AM:
 
Many differences of opinion, which is fine. Us old dogs develop habits and they are like a curse. Some of the things I do are so ingrained but they keep me from making a mistake. Little things, like a visual inspection looking down the necks of every case before moving on to bullet seating. I can't stress how important that is. Little things, like moving the funnel in the exact same method/manor, to prevent a double dump. This might be a mystery to some, but for others that have been there, they will understand. Nothing is as aggravating as a double dump.

I probably go through three or four passes on processing brass than other people, doing minor, and probably insignificant things, but it makes me feel good. Besides that, I like the tactile feel of working with brass cases, good therapy. I can zone out.

Some won't know what the hell I'm talking about? For them, get a progressive. lol

My double tap's wrong? OK, I will try and remember that. Just remember this, when all is said and done. It makes no difference, if you have an accurate barrel. And, if you don't, it don't matter either. It's all MOJO.

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 09, 2015, 08:58 AM:
 
Leonard, you'll get more consistent dumps without the knock. Trust me.

- DAA
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2015, 09:18 AM:
 
Dave, Dave.

Let me 'splain you.

It don't matter, when you are trickling. One, two, or 2.5 turns of the trickler. I am an inveterate "weigher", I don't throw charges, unless it's for pistol. In that case, you are correct, but inconsistent powder charges is not my problem in pistol, it's my shooting ability.

The question will never be answered, thrown charges, (volume) or weighing every charge. You must do what you believe in. Right or wrong; I might add. My best days may be behind me, so I just strive for uniformity by way of consistency of action.

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on February 09, 2015, 10:37 AM:
 
Lee Perfect Powder measure, for now...then on to my RCBS 5-0-5, and trickle in the right amount to balance.

I have an RCBS Chargemaster combo in the box when I get my reloading room set up like I want.

For many years, I have used the Lee powder dippers and an RCBS trickler. Worked very well for me!
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 09, 2015, 10:46 AM:
 
Leonard, whatever works, works. And you're right, tricking, it makes no difference anyway.

I dump straight into the case. With an occasional exception, the usual suspects.

- DAA
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2015, 11:37 AM:
 
Yeah, I know. I do that too, you know, for a machine gun that will never appreciate precision handloading anyway.

I have an old buddy that gets pretty emotional about powder measures, he is a part time benchrester. That's the only way I can be sure he actually CAN shoot because "on game" the guy is a terrible choker.

He is always jumping my ass about how "unnecessary" it is to actually weigh charges. Notice he doesn't say; Man, it will hurt accuracy". Just, that thrown charges are just as good. Well, I get confidence from weighing my charge, not wondering if my baffle is effective, or bridging with IMR?

If I were loading on a bench at the range, like he does, just about any scale is a pain in the ass, so it's understandable. That does not mean he should go on a crusade and stamp out scaling whenever and where ever he sees it. Speaks with authority, using a $500 powder measure, which I can totally do without.

I'm only casual on the bench but I don't embarrass myself; him with his custom actions, etc. In the field, I can hardly keep from slapping this expert target shooter when he muffs another easy chip shot! I blame his inaccurate "thrown charges". lol And, he thinks I am remarkable, what I can do without range practice every friggin' week. Single, this guy doesn't have a life away from accuracy rifles. So, there it is, divergent points of view. And, the beat goes on.

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on February 09, 2015, 01:13 PM:
 
I throw with a Belding & Mull.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2015, 05:29 PM:
 
AND?
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on February 09, 2015, 06:00 PM:
 
I've been reloading for 45 years. Most of those early years I was poor so the tools were simple as in a $20 Lee loader. About 20-30 years ago I got fancier. As far as powder throwers I've used two types. My first powder thrower is a RCBS. I have two or three of these. One is the older model with a metal drop tube. The other one or two have plastic drop tubes. Other than that they work the same. They both work OK for most loads IMHO.

The other powder thrower is the Dillon. They have an old style and a new style. I have a lot of both. The newer style snaps back into the open position and the old style moves to the open position smoothly. I ended up buying a lot of them because once I had a charge worked out and I didn't want to move the adjustment. The dillon is designed to work with their reloaders and isn't designed to work as a stand alone powder thrower. Funny thing, I like the old style dillon better. The one thing I've found out about a progressive is they throw fairly evenly as long as your machine doesn't have a jam. If it jams up and you have to tinker with it, the next throw of powder will be HEAVY. As long as your are moving along consistently with a dillon it throws fairly even. I cannot tell a whole lot of difference between the RCBS and the dillon as far as accuracy.

Leonard mentioned spherical powders. It is true that they usually throw better but I've found that a fine/small extruded powder with a good coat of graphite will throw just as good as a spherical. Benchmark throws as good or better than many spherical powders. I believe this improvement is because it has a good coating of graphite on it and some spherical powders don't have as good of a coating of graphite.

I found some loads are more sensitive to accurate powder charges and a thrower just doesn't cut the mustard. Also a thrower is useless when doing load development. I don't know which is better but way before the RCBS chargemaster was even available, I purchased one of these units: http://www.pact.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=126

However, it was green and sold by RCBS but made by pact. It was slow so I purchased a second unit with the pact name on it. With two units I get pretty good speed. Accuracy is very good with these two giving me weighed charges for each and every load. I regularly check calibration and they don't wander even under florescent lights.
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on February 09, 2015, 06:25 PM:
 
While taking a shower I realized I failed to mention the mother of all powder throwers, the Prometheus. Prometheus was the Greek god that gave man fire. It has been a few decades since I've read about the Prometheus, and it looks like the developer now has a Prometheus II. Many years ago it would set you back about a grand and Prometheus I could easily win a Rube Goldberg award.

Personally I would rather emulate the Greek god Priapus.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 09, 2015, 07:31 PM:
 
All the F class shooters think they need the Prometheus. My understanding they have a long waiting list, like six months? It uses an optical thingamajig to magnify the scaled part, which near as I can tell, just makes it easier to see the cunt hairs between tenths of a grain. My shooting doesn't need that shit, even if it is guaranteed to improve my accuracy.

One thing about shooters. They are a sucker for damned near anything that comes down the pike. I'm not immune, by any means. But, some of these things are (fill in the blank)

Now, who is this Greek God, Priapus? Did his wings melt?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on February 10, 2015, 06:26 AM:
 
Edited in: I originally typed in for you to google priapus but I decided to give it to you guys so maybe you can learn something about ED. Priapus was the greek god of lust. He had an extra large woody that was always hard. It is from his name that the medical industry came up with the term priapism. At the end of all ED med commercials such as viagra they always say something to the effect: In the event of an erection lasting longer than four hours, seek immediate medical attention. They want you in the ER at the four hour mark because at six hours the corpus carvernosum starts to die due to lack of blood flow. The corpus carvernosum is the smooth muscle tissue that fills with blood when we get excited. You can learn all about it if you google up "utube dr john p. mulhall" and watch all of his utube videos. He also has a book titled "saving your sex life".
The one fun thing about getting prostate cancer is experimenting with all of the ED meds you have access to, and you don't have to pay $15 per pill. I know of good sites that sell quality products if any of you are interested ask leonard for my email address.

Leonard: does the Prometheus II still a Rube Goldberg machine underneath the cover?

[ February 10, 2015, 08:13 AM: Message edited by: Aznative ]
 
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 10, 2015, 07:16 AM:
 
Priapus;
With a crank like that, he would HAVE TO pry-a-puss !!!
BwaaaaHaaaaHaaaaa...........I crack myself up sometimes.

Ok......I'll go quietly.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2015, 07:33 AM:
 
Black, eh?
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 10, 2015, 07:45 AM:
 
I know I'm just contrary by nature, but, will simply note that, I can, have and occasionally do work up loads without use of a scale.

Not usually. But, definitely have.

A rifle I just mentioned in another thread, a .22BR, I had put over a thousand rounds through it before I had weighed a single charge. Someone on one of the boards was asking for load info and didn't speak "clicks", nor was "N-135 halfway up the neck" an acceptably precise description of my recipe, for online use?

So I had to weigh my powder charges to be able to tell him what they were in grains. I knew approximately, of course, but, honestly had not ever used a scale one time, even for initial load work, on that rifle?

Most accurate rifle I've ever owned, too, BTW...

- DAA
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2015, 10:28 AM:
 
Oh yeah?

Well, what if I told you that my #1 22-250Ackley, the load was worked up on the bench, at the range, with a powder measure?

Afterwards, at home, I was able to scale that load and discovered that it was 44.0 grains of H414, and has been ever since. 65 grain bullet. But then and now, I weigh the charge.

God, I wasn't going to shit on this thread and mention what, "he who shall not be named" wrote, in an email, but anyway. Referencing DAA and two tenths of a grain accuracy...he noted that two tenths of a grain over, in his 17 would blow primers.

I know all about that, and in the first place, I do not run that close to MAX so that I would risk a blown primer. In fact, most times, my load will be at least a full grain under MAX.

I think that if a man was loading a high performance 17, for instance, he would be wise to scale his charges, IF HE IS RUNNING THAT HOT I guess the point is, a hot load is a problem, for me.

When ambient temperature can swing from below freezing to 50 degrees, or as on the border, much warmer than that, I want a load that is safe, in any condition.

So, in using a powder measure to load cases, what is the concern? Mild loads or high performance? How about case life? Seems like I have heard Dave say, on occasion, that he gets way north of ten reloads from his brass; as I do, BTW.

Apologize for bringing (you know who) into the conversation, but he does have a point about seventeens and running right on the ragged edge. Any way a man avoids problems is good, as long as those problems are avoided.

I know a guy, (well, used to know, he died) that loads a 220Swift so hot, he only gets two reloads because of (usually) split necks. I wouldn't bother to ask him about his velocities but they must be impressive? But, I do know that he weighs his powder. He told me that.

He also killed more coyotes that any man I have ever heard of, consistently, for almost fifty years. I am also sure he won more hunts than anyone in modern history, there will never be another like him. It's hard to stack his accomplishments against a full time predator control man because he always worked as a heavy equipment operator and just hunted weekends, so? In a way, it's too bad he's not more well know than he is, but whatever? What the hell were we talking about, anyway?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on February 10, 2015, 11:40 AM:
 
I never weigh the charges for my .17P, never had a blown primer, not even close. Get long case life.

I can't even imagine a working load only .2 gr. from expecting a blown primer though.

You do hear that fairly often on the internet though, that .17's will put your eye out if you overload them by a couple tenths. It's not how I operate and is a complete non-issue for me. But I guess if a fella wants to go there, he can?

I don't like rifles that are so picky they demand being within .2 gr. just for accuracy purposes. I mostly get rid of barrels like that. That's just from an accuracy/convenience standpoint. But having to operate within .2 gr. for safety? Fuck that...

- DAA
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on February 10, 2015, 12:53 PM:
 
I've never worked up charges straight from a powder thrower. I've always weighed the charges but it wouldn't bother me in combinations where the max charge was close to the top. One combination that would work is varget in 5.56mm with a 60 grain bullet or lighter. I've loaded max loads in 223 with the above combination and you spill powder if you attempt it on a dillon it is so full.

I don't like finicky barrels either but I have some classic guns that have them like my DCM M1garand. I need to get it rebuilt someday. Hopefully Phil Arrington will still be around.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 10, 2015, 02:01 PM:
 
Dave makes a point about barrels. We never know, some are a distinct disappointment and some are wonderful.

I agree, about the dope we read on the Internet. I am just repeating a common knowledge that two tenths can mean the difference. Do I know it for a fact? Not even. But, like they say, if it is repeated often enough, now it's a fact.

As far as barrels, I suppose it's a Ford/Chevy question? For many years, I have always had very good luck with Hart barrels. I'm just kinda chicken to try others. Yeah, I have a few others, but I don't have one that I think measures up to what I expect from Hart....and, I could be dead wrong!

Because, there obviously are other makers that are just as good or better. I don't buy enough to know the difference, not being a target shooter, my shooting is modest in comparison to those that are regularly banging away at targets. I like to think I'm concerned with accuracy, but realistically, it's minute of coyote, for the most part.

What is important to me is reliability. I want no trouble, in the field. No pierced primers, no constantly checking my zero, no missing. Just reliable ignition and positive terminal performance. The last thing I want is gun problems. Well, actually, the last thing is vehicle problems, I almost always have a spare rifle but no spare vehicle.

Question. Does everybody pack a good, long cleaning rod on a hunt? Just to have it, not to necessarily clean your bore. It's a good idea. Ever stick a bullet in the bore?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on February 10, 2015, 03:45 PM:
 
I'm pretty sure I was the one who brought up 2/10's of a grain which is the most my thrower has ever been off.

I'm at least a half a grain under max on all my loads and find max in at least 90 degree weather. And max is where I first start seeing pressure signs. Never popped a primer in my life.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on February 11, 2015, 05:51 PM:
 
Is this the one your talking about Mike ?

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/241142/redding-3-powder-measure-with-universal-and-handgun-
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on February 11, 2015, 06:03 PM:
 
Or there's this one..

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/246394/redding- match-grade-3br-powder-measure-with-universal-and-handgun-metering-chamber?cm_

(edit) I was looking @ a 2011 Cabela's catalog the other day and it showed a price of $139.99 now its $206.99 yikes !! quite a price jump.

[ February 11, 2015, 06:25 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 
Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on February 11, 2015, 06:59 PM:
 
Dave, I can't find the Midway flyer for reference but it was the Redding 3BR on sale for ~ 139.99$. If I remember correctly the sale ends Feb 28
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on February 11, 2015, 07:09 PM:
 
Thanks Mike. Think, I just found it.
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/759813/red ding-match-grade-3br-powder-measure-with-universal-metering-chamber?cm_vc=ProductFinding

(edit) now it's on backorder..Lol

Oh' well, I'm ok. No rush, I'll poke around locally and see what's up. Thank you..

[ February 11, 2015, 07:14 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on February 12, 2015, 04:32 AM:
 
I've got a 'souped up' RCBS Uniflow. It has a powder baffle, micrometer drum adjustment and elevated stand.
Also have a 'souped up' Chargemaster. It's been re-programmed and a has the "straw mod" inside the dispensing tube. Lastly, its plugged into a power conditioning strip and I use incandescent lighting over my bench.

I use either one, depending what & how many rounds to load. Both work well enough for me, and I've adopted Dave's opinion regarding sensitivity & volatility of a load. If pressure and/or accuracy rest on the ragged edge of a 0.1-.2 grains window, that ain't a happy place to settle at...

Good Chargemaster re-prog vid & test ...if anyone were interested...
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 12, 2015, 11:05 AM:
 
quote:
Dave's opinion regarding sensitivity & volatility
That ain't Dave's opinion, exclusively, you know? ( [Smile] )

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: BTW, that seems like a pretty good deal on the 3BR. One thing about that measure. it has a smaller capacity than the other one because that's the target consumer, benchrest people, who use smaller capacity cases. Therefore, if you want to use it on Magnum cases, you might want to use a double throw?

[ February 12, 2015, 11:09 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 
Posted by DarbinCo (Member # 4590) on March 10, 2015, 09:00 PM:
 
Dave,
I've had several measures thru the years. Redding, RCBS, Harrell's and the measures on my Dillons.

The new production RCBS measures are a piece of shit. The round wheel fit the body so loosely on my last one that powder would get between it and the body and start fouling things up. I sold it wishing I hadn't got rid of the first one I had.

The redding is a pretty good unit, had one of them too.

I purchased a Harrell's from Dave (yes DAA) a few years ago and I use it a bunch. It accurate but probably not a whole lot better than say the redding but quality tools are always a joy to operate and the Harrell's is quality. I really like it.

Like Aznative I do highly prefer the old style Dillon measures. I think the new ones are sloppy loose mess while in operation. I've gone as far to tell them that but it was all in the name of safety. Once again a good tool has had to be redone because some asshole somewhere fucked up and we all need to pay for it. My old ones get way more reps than the new ones do.

I also have that first gen RCBS electronic measure. Man it's been on the bench a while, I can't even remember when I bought it but I do remember spending a bag of shekels on it. I picked up a new Chargemaster unit about a month ago and its parked next to that old dinosaur on the bench now. The new unit is great, its faster and seems to throw real consistent without going over which was a real problem with the older one.

If I were to buy a new thrower today without busting the wallet, I'd probably go with the Redding.
 
Posted by DarbinCo (Member # 4590) on March 10, 2015, 09:06 PM:
 
BTW
Natchez still has the Chargemasters on sale for 289.00

If you spend 300 on RCBS gear you get a 50.00 mail in rebate back from RCBS. I bought a 6 mm flash hole deburing tool to make my 300 bucks.

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentId=productDetail&prodId=RC98923&green=D1E4E38D-0C4C-552F-9A95-F16FA101F0DC&src=mbHome
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2015, 05:26 AM:
 
quote:
Once again a good tool has had to be redone because some asshole somewhere fucked up and we all need to pay for it.
This seems to be a recurring theme? We could spend all day reminiscing, and barely scratch the surface. Like that lapful of hot coffee, was worth how much?

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by DarbinCo (Member # 4590) on March 11, 2015, 07:10 AM:
 
quote:
This seems to be a recurring theme? We could spend all day reminiscing, and barely scratch the surface. Like that lapful of hot coffee, was worth how much?
Millions right....
I had always gone off of what I heard in the media about that case until I seen this video. Its rather interesting and changed my perspective on it after learning some of the facts. It turned out to be much different than the millions of dollars the media told us that she got.

https://screen.yahoo.com/scalded-coffee-then-news-media-104632481.html

Doesn't change the fact that someone needed Rube Goldberg fail safe devise on a powder measure though... LOL
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 11, 2015, 07:49 AM:
 
WOW! That is quite a revelation. I never heard anything besides the Connie Chung version. Obviously, it's no joke, even to the point where Jane Palley stated that the woman was driving a car. Total bullshit.

The photograph evidence was compelling. I wonder if anybody jacked up the judge over his reducing the judgement? Man, those burns were fierce; and in an area that is as sensitive as it gets.

Thanks for that. Interesting contribution, for sure.

Good Hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by DarbinCo (Member # 4590) on March 11, 2015, 02:18 PM:
 
Yea, it certainly changes the way you think about the case don't it.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 11, 2015, 04:52 PM:
 
Thanks for the comments Darby.

I'll have to check & see if the Redding is off of backorder yet, if I was able to find one locally, I would have bought a few weeks ago when I was in the mood.

I wish you wouldn't have brought up that damn Chargemaster [Smile]

With this lapse, yeah I've been thinkin' about it.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 13, 2015, 06:40 PM:
 
Ok, I'd like to bounce this off ya Darby or anyone else [Smile]

This would appear to be the entry level Harrell ?
http://www.sinclairintl.com/reloadin g-equipment/powder-handling/powder-measures-dispensers/harrell-custom-90-powder-measure-prod38187.aspx

Don't know ? Might be worth bumpin' up from the Redding. Slept on it a night or two. Can't bring myself to do the Chargemaster.

I'm to old school and thick headed.. [Big Grin]

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 14, 2015, 04:02 AM:
 
That's a hell of a nice powder measure for the money!

Good hunting. El Bee
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 14, 2015, 09:57 AM:
 
That's kinda what I thought LB.

I never really considered them before, because for some reason ? I thought they were like $400 bucks.

I'm curious which one Darby uses ? Maybe that base one is all a guy like me needs?
 
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 14, 2015, 10:12 AM:
 
We've come a long way; in the early days when I was using my Lee loader, you know, the one where you utilized a hammer and flat plate, to pound the dies to resize and deprime and seat the bullet?
One could buy plastic scoops of various sizes to throw a particular weight of a given powder. I was a cheap bastard, and used various size pistol cartridges with baling wire twisted around the rim/case body for a handle, and simply filed from the top down, until I reached the level at which it threw the charge I wanted. Musta cost, oh I don't know, maybe two cents....and, the sonofabitch worked fine, I must have pounded out thousands of rounds of shotgun and pistol ammunition.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 14, 2015, 10:15 AM:
 
Quote:
but quality tools are always a joy to operate and the Harrell's is quality. I really like it.
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I wanted to add there's something to be said for that..I've been wanting some Ratcheting Wrench sets for awhile now.

We sell some basic tools and stuff @ work. We have the John Deere brand and aftermarket. Unfortunately they're both made in Taiwan
[Mad]

Anyway, just last night. I bought the Deere in both SAE and Metric, cost twice the money as the other brand. Why ? because they just felt better..

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 14, 2015, 11:19 AM:
 
While, I'm rambling on a boring rainy day.

That was a great post Vic. A lot to be said right there. I'd like to say because, I'm a simple man. I've actually been using those cheap Lee spoons for years and somehow produced good shooting rounds. I use them to get close and trickle of course.

Now I'm getting old and lazy..I wanna throw a lever, charge my case and move on with other things. Like a nap.. [Razz]
 
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on March 14, 2015, 01:13 PM:
 
Powder tricklers.....just looked on the bench, and I see two RCBS tricklers, haven't used one in 15 years I bet? The only trickler I use is attached to me; and no mater how many times I shake it, seems there's always a drop left?
Leonard needs to make the addition of a classified section, so we can peddle shit like this, reloading stuff, scopes etc?
If someone wants these two tricklers, shoot me a 20 dollar bill and I'll send them on their way.
 
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 14, 2015, 01:22 PM:
 
I could do that. Let me think about it.

edit: Raining? Here it's not a cloud in the sky, 92 degrees right now.

Heading to the $300 store, BRB

Good hunting. El Bee

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 14, 2015, 01:37 PM:
 
A classified section would be great!

I just got through adding 2 sbeets of plywood to my bench. Bought a Dillon Square Deal B to load pistol ammo on and found a few items on my bench I never use.

Raining here too.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 14, 2015, 06:29 PM:
 
92 degrees, Wow !! seems kinda warm for March ?
 
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on March 15, 2015, 05:41 AM:
 
Supposed to get into the 70's at my house this week. Hell, it was mid 60's yesterday.

Been the warmest, driest winter I can ever remember around here. Would have been a good year to put up some numbers if I had been able to get out like I wanted to.

Watch, next year I'll be good to go and the snow will lock me out by Christmas!

- DAA
 
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 15, 2015, 08:26 PM:
 
It has been above average on temps here for the past month. I saw rockchucks the first week of February.

The real shocker though was the earliest I've ever seen ground squirrels in all my 40 plus years of shooting them was March 7, and that was probably 25 years ago.

This year I saw squirrels on Feb 24. Most years it is late March and even into April before they show up. But this year the snow was gone by late Feb. The ground squirrels we have here are the Columbian ground squirrel species and they typically come up later than other ground squirrels.

Might be a crazy year?
 
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on March 16, 2015, 10:53 AM:
 
It has been getting warn here in the SW deserts. Temps in the mid 80s right now.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 16, 2015, 05:38 PM:
 
Yeah, our winter was over about the middle January down here Lonny.

Dry and unseasonably warm in February.

Thinkin' about checking out our Belding's ground squirrel AKA- sage rat population this weekend, kinda early though. Usually mid-late April is the cats ass for 'em.

Almost hate to burn up some of my 22 ammo though !!

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 16, 2015, 07:06 PM:
 
Dave,

Our local squirrel population kinda went into the tank about 15 years ago, but seems to be recovering a bit. From the time I was old enough to carry a 22 until my mid-30's we had good squirrel shooting. Don't know what happened, but places that had good colonies were suddenly devoid of anything. They seem to be coming back a bit now, but anymore I wait until the young are out before I do much shooting.

Dave you ever head over to Eastern OR for some sagerat shooting? When our squirrel shooting was at its lowest we went over towards Burns for a few days each spring. Good times, good shooting.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 17, 2015, 05:39 PM:
 
Lonny, our rat population has been off the last few years. Last year being the worst hopefully ?

That's kinda why, I might go pokin' around, to see what's up ?

I've haven't shot rats in Oregon yet ? We meaning a few of us @ work have on open invite to a alfalfa farm north of Vale Or, just haven't done it yet.

I'm curious if you guys are shooting on public land or private. I'm fairly familiar with the Burns area. I would guess shooting over those pivot fields would be pretty good ?

Were really lucky to have BLM west of us in Idaho close to the border, that has held tons o' rats.

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on March 17, 2015, 08:36 PM:
 
We were shooting private land. From what I know now, the land that we shot on is leased now and is a pay thing.
 
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 18, 2015, 04:39 PM:
 
Yep that's kinda what I figured. I know some guys that went to Christmas Valley,SW of there and paid. The land was leased to some guide type of guy ?
 




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