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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 29, 2016, 06:34 AM:
Jaw boning with Tim last week, about how we couldn't wait for cooler weather and some coyote hunting. Also, about how my Jeep needs new tires before the season starts and the fact that new tires right now are going to put a strain on the family budget.
Tim has an idea... Let's go skim some early cream while the getting is good for bounty money. Forecast was for low to mid 80's, actually a good 10 degrees cooler than it has been, so we decided to give it a whirl.
Hunted two days, different area each day. Collected 7 the first day and 5 the second. Hit two more that weren't recovered, one I hit with my .17 at about 300 yards, and one Tim hit with the shotgun.
Lot of pups, of the 12, there were 7 pups and 5 old ones.
Took a shotgun and used it. A new experience. Knew some of the ground we'd be passing through, that I normally don't bother to call in, might be productive with a shotgun. And it was. I killed three with it and Tim killed one with it, and hit another that got on. Not news to anyone, just new for me, but the shotgun has it's place. Don't think I'll be too inclined to call shotgun stands or use one often for more "recreational" hunting, but on a straight up bounty money grab hunt like this was, I'll likely have it along.
$600 worth for the weekend. Good dent in a new set of tires.
First days take.
Processed them as we went on day two, instead of letting them get ripe first ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Four "two pointers" (I still think that's just plain dumb...) taken.
The oldest old one taken.
Look Ma! I used a shotgun!
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 29, 2016, 07:12 AM:
Is that a backpack rig for the shottie? I normally crisscross a rifle and shotgun
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: by the way, I also think "two pointers" is dumb. But, many years ago when we had teams hunting several western states, white tails were a dead give away for folks that were hunting along the border, either CA or mostly AZ. Later on, they started showing up in Nevada, but much later on.
edit: that tee shirt on Tim. looks like he took a load of birdshot to the belly?
[ August 29, 2016, 07:20 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 29, 2016, 07:19 AM:
All that fun + ya get paid?
Can't beat that with a stick!
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 29, 2016, 08:03 AM:
Just turned in 16 myself. The $800 should come in handy next month when we head out to Nevada for a few days of calling. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 29, 2016, 10:48 AM:
Leonard, yeah, backpack straps deal. Haven't used it that way yet, just kept them together and slung it over one shoulder like normal.
Was thinking it could be handy if I had decided to carry both at the same time. Haven't actually tried it yet though.
- DAA
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on August 29, 2016, 01:02 PM:
How did they come to be called 2-pointers?
That t-shirt does look a little worn. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
You and Kelly with those cigars, beside skippy and aunt jemima, that must be the other secret magic.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 29, 2016, 02:15 PM:
That Tim is always thinkin'!
Nice haul.
Mark
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 30, 2016, 05:04 AM:
Dang if you'd cut about a foot off that shotgun, it'd get quite a bit handier!
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2016, 06:04 AM:
Dan, I can't remember which contest it is, one of the larger ones, but a few years back they had a rule that a coyote with a white tipped tail counted as TWO coyotes! Never could be bothered with contest hunting anyway, myself, but that just struck me as particularly asinine? Could you imagine, losing because somebody happened to kill a couple white tips? Worse, just what "is" a white tip? And who gets to decide? I've seen them from pure black to pure white and every conceivable shade in between, to the point that I'd have no idea where you start calling them "two pointers"? Oh well, none of my affair, I got no truck with any of that.
Tom, that just happens to be the only shotgun I have that uses screw in chokes. True story, found it under my bed five or six years ago, still new in the box and honestly don't remember when or where I got it? Might have been my Dad's? Most likely.
But, anyway, got it in my head to try a shotgun however long ago that was. Long enough ago that the Dead Coyote shells I have are marked $24.95, which I thought was super outrageous at the time, but I guess they are about twice that much now?? So, outfitted it with a SpeedBead, got it patterned and all that happy crap. Then never used it. Until just now.
I don't know about the length, didn't seem to be an issue, but I ain't a shotgunner by any stretch of imagination, so I should probably listen to your advice. But before I'd put a cent into modifying that cheap 870 any further, I'd look into getting a semi auto. That thing just kicks like the proverbial mule. No fun at all to shoot! From a sitting position, kind of off centered and twisted, it turned me around more than 90 degrees on one shot. Not exactly smooth on the follow up...
There is no money in the cookie jar for it anytime soon, but I should search back through some of the old stuff here where shotguns are being discussed. Without knowing anything, just kinda what little has sunk in of what I've heard over the years, for the sake of keeping it simple, I think I'd just arbitrarily narrow it down to a Benelli, but no idea which Benelli.
- DAA
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 30, 2016, 06:30 AM:
Dave, get the Benelli M2, it is a hell of a shotgun. Then get you a aftermarket extended magazine tube. And you're in business eight or nine shots as fast as you can pull the trigger.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 30, 2016, 08:12 AM:
Sure, as long as there is two grand in that cookie jar, otherwise you might look into the new Remington, forget what it's called Vinci, victi something like that, or the (I think) 935 Mossberg.
I refuse to believe that you NEED a Benelli to kill a coyote. Yeah, they are nice, and for sure a status symbol. I'm probably jealous because I'm still using my old 835, which actually has a wood stock.
A cheap superposed 3" 12 gauge is not a bad choice, either. I have seen the new Winchester 101's going for just over $1000.
Of course, they will kick like a mule compared to an autoloader.
I think I paid about $300 for my Mossberg. With Dead Coyote, the recoil is fierce! I'm such a pussy!
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: oh, the two points for a white tip was the brainchild of Brent Rueb, the organizer of the St. Francis hunt. But, I think he got shamed out of implementing it into the hunt rules; but I could be wrong, as usual?
[ August 30, 2016, 08:16 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 30, 2016, 09:04 AM:
My old 835 has done wonders for my spine. It has saved me thousands in chiropractor bills. Yep, a Benelli is the shit. Cant do any better.Ive run a couple of them but cant bring myself to get one for predator stuff. I shoot the lowly Mossy 930. Not even a 3.5 incher. Im a wuss and proud of it in this case.
Mark
Edit: if I had the extra dough laying around I probly buy one right now. But buying up various ammo is my priority currently..being in California and all.
[ August 30, 2016, 09:08 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2016, 10:02 AM:
Like I said, no chance of happening anytime soon. But I just googled it and looks like the M2 goes for $1,300 - $1,500 brand new.
Which barrel length do you have Chad? Which one would the rest of you guys get? Reckon Tom has already voted for the 21".
- DAA
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 30, 2016, 10:20 AM:
Dave, Mine has a 26" barrel.Perfect length in my opinion. I should say one of the reason I bought my Benelli was for Waterfowl. But it makes a fantastic predator rig. For alot of years i used my trusty 870 that i bought close to 40 years ago. But the Benelli is in another league. I wouldn't leave home without it anymore.
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 30, 2016, 10:56 AM:
Question;
Have any of you guys running extended tubes had any problems with Game Wardens doing the "Three rounds in a shotgun.......tell it to the Judge" even though it's legal for predators ?????
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 30, 2016, 11:43 AM:
Good question!
Also, that's not the prices I have seen, maybe it's a kalifornia thing?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 30, 2016, 12:27 PM:
Yeah...thats cheap.
I like a 24" barrel for my (predator) shotguns. The choke Im running right now sticks out about an inch so...lets see..thats like 29 inches? Ok 25ish.
Mark
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 30, 2016, 12:37 PM:
Koko, no haven't had any problems with that one.
My M2 cost me around $1300. Most good auto loaders will run you at least a grand. The better ones will be more. Like $1500-2000.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 30, 2016, 01:43 PM:
Those prices are Cabelas. So I wouldn't think you could find anywhere to pay more? They are usually on the high end.
- DAA
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 30, 2016, 02:10 PM:
I bought mine through Buds gun shop,online. They have some pretty good deals sometimes. So if you have an FFL or know somebody who does it might be worth a look....
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 30, 2016, 02:45 PM:
I paid $750 out the door for my M1 with a 21" barrel years ago, $1100 for my M2 with 18" tactical barrel.
Love my Benelli!
Posted by 92soggy (Member # 4362) on August 30, 2016, 05:02 PM:
Nice job and that is some awesome country you get to call in, love the high desert.
My shotgun is a benelli SBE 2 and it seems to work pretty good, it does kick like a mule still.
I would like to get a shorter barrel but looking today a 24" is 500 bucks. For that money I'll stick with the 28".
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 30, 2016, 05:47 PM:
I guess this is the one I had in mind:
https://www.turners.com/benelli/benelli-m4-tactical-shotgun-12-642
edit: but, it says it's gas operated? Somebody explain that because I have been thinking all the Benelli's were recoil operated?
[ August 30, 2016, 05:50 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on August 30, 2016, 05:54 PM:
I picked up a used 935 Mossberg about 6 months back. I just shot it last weekend. SOB that bastard kicks. I shot a few rounds of 7 1/2 birdshot to rough sight in the speed bead, and thought, hey this is sweet. Then I dropped in a 3.5 #4 Buck and realized why the guy traded it in before I bought it.
Been using my 3" Browning Gold turkey gun, but thought I needed the 3.5" gun, and the price was pretty low.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 30, 2016, 05:59 PM:
The M4 is supposed to be a better gun because I think it's gas operated instead of inertia operated. Basically if you hang enough stuff on an M1 or 2, it can malfunction with lighter loads. Though I have an extended magazine and have hung a big light on it with no problems but I don't shoot light loads much.
The M1 is the same thing as the M2 except the M2 has a polymer trigger housing. I traded my M2 with the pistol grip stock cause I hated the stock. You had to aim it instead of pointing it like a bird gun. The only downside to Benelli is their accessories are expensive. $400 for a barrel and $300 for a plastic stock.buy it like you want it cause you can't afford to alter it afterwards.
The Vinci was Beneli's fancy space gun and it is pure ugly to me, I don't care how it shoots.
[ August 30, 2016, 06:01 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 30, 2016, 06:14 PM:
Another thing. For your consideration, DAVE
Don't be posting too much scenery because you know and I know it's beautiful, and full of coyotes, but that's almost like advertising;
"Free Coyotes, come and get 'em!"
Know what I mean? And, it's public land.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on August 30, 2016, 06:48 PM:
Lol Dan those 3.5's have some kick. Ive never been a recoil wuss at all...matter of fact I grew up shooting magnum rifles and revolvers, and love em (my dad was a big Elmer Keith fan)...but there is nothing fun about those 3.5's. Ive even shot one of the old Ithica/Remington 10 ga. a little and I didnt think those were all that bad at the time?
I will say though that when you are shooting at game you dont feel it...until later.
Mark
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on August 30, 2016, 08:00 PM:
My M2 on top and the old faithful M1 on bottom.
I had a buddy that bought a 3.5" pump Mossberg. He shot it one time and nearly dislocated his shoulder, missed work for a few days. I shot it and quickly knew my single shot 10 gauge shooting 3.5" magnums was much easier shooting for some reason. None of my SBE's ever hurt as bad as that Mossberg did.
But enough with the shotguns, tell me more about free coyotes on public land... I do love okie land but finding a place to hunt is getting harder all the time here. I need to venture out West one day and just see for myself. You guys are lucky!
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on August 31, 2016, 03:37 AM:
Yeah man!
Having owned & hunted with both, the recoil of an SBE w/3.5"s is nowhere near as vicious as the same load thru an 835, despite the a ported barrel on the Mossberg.
That rattle trap is just no fun to shoot. And the eleventeen pound Mossberg trigger doesn't help when you know you're about to get whalloped by that much recoil...
Beyond that, the Benelli inertia system & drop-out trigger assembly is so dang easy to break down for maintenance/cleaning.
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on August 31, 2016, 06:08 AM:
Okay, an M2 it will be. Maybe...
Definitely not this year. Just not in the budget, no way, no how. Maybe next year though?
- DAA
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 01, 2016, 05:21 AM:
Man, I'm feeling like a real hee man! I've been shooting this 835 for more than 20 years and yes, okay, it has a bit of recoil but come on! Nothing I can't handle....unless I chamber a couple DEAD COYOTE shells! <eek!> What is that? Like five bucks a shot? And, as a bonus, they jar your fillings loose.
But, I'm more comfortable with that gun than my 11-87, don'no why?
Again, last time I saw DEAD COYOTE on the shelf, at BassProShops the price was $54.95 for ten. That's crazy! And, I can take recoil as well as the next man, but (at least in my 835) that recoil knocks me on my ass! Pussy!
Yeah? Well, you go ahead
Good hunting. El Bee.
edit: and that's with 3"!
[ September 01, 2016, 05:23 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on September 04, 2016, 02:13 PM:
Handled a handful of new shotguns today. Only M2 they had was a 28" camo. Nice gun, I want one. Makes the 870 Express I have feel clumsy in my hands by comparison handling them side by side.
Considering I don't think I'd ever use it for birds, just predators, I think I might want a 24". Got it penciled in for late spring.
- DAA
[ September 04, 2016, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: DAA ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 04, 2016, 02:19 PM:
Good to hear Dave. You really will love it for Coyotes.
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on September 04, 2016, 04:32 PM:
My brother loaded up some 3" T loads for me. I may try them this year, maybe some 3.5 T loads too.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 05, 2016, 05:00 AM:
What is a "T" shot, Dan? And, why would you select it over #4Buck? Isn't it just a shade larger than BB? What's the advantage, number of pellets, or what?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on September 05, 2016, 08:08 AM:
Yes it is slightly larger than BB. T shot is 20 cal, you get more shot. I seems to pattern better in my 935 so far with the few I have shot.
[ September 05, 2016, 08:09 AM: Message edited by: DanS ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 05, 2016, 09:47 AM:
Isn't the `T` stuff the non-toxic flavored stuff as opposed to `BB` which is normally lead and is poisoning fields, lakes, the air and was the cause of the extinction of the Passenger Pigeon and the Bison ???
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on September 05, 2016, 10:29 AM:
Yeah I think they plate the T shot with gold. That's why its so expensive.lol
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 05, 2016, 10:47 AM:
Wow !!!
I've heard that there is a wealthy slum-lord in Upland Calif. that shoots gold plated bullets (take that, Lone Ranger) but I didn't know anybody was doing it with shot.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 05, 2016, 11:04 AM:
koko, if you only knew?
Talk about luxury. The only way I can afford toilet paper is to use both sides!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on September 05, 2016, 11:37 AM:
yea we couldn't afford whole potatoes, we could only afford the eyes.
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