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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2024 01:02 PM
I have noticed a trend in gun mags, and it's not just lately. They insist reviewing FOREIGN RIFLES. Anywhere but America, since the fucking lawyers have managed to sue the life out of most American manufacturers.
But why must we read about French and Spanish and German and Italian rifles. And, BTW, all chambered in boring, and safe calibers ending in Creedemore! or 308Win. (Vic's favorite) But, a 308Win. is like kissing your sister; I think.... because I don't remember ever doing it? Why wander the hill and dale with a 308 and it's inferior ballistics?
And, there was another one with switch barrels for only five thousand and change. I do not understand that advantage? I have one rifle with a second barrel. I've never even screwed on that second barrel? Well, everybody has a system, a plan and it seldom works.
Anyway, I guess the magazines can't write about Brownings and Remingtons and Savage and Ruger? The Peterson's Hunting had a round uo of rifles last month. I think there were 8 rifles evaluated, one about $2,500 and one under a thousand dollars but the rest of them were all over three grand. Do we really need to spend that much, these days?
Well, the big selling point is sub inch accuracy. and that's another pet peeve!
All this LONG RANGE SHIT! Okay, if all you are doing is ringing gongs, whatever floats your boat. But it seems to be a national trend, big game hunting at 600/1000 yards! That is fucked up, people!
Number one, go to considerable expense and effort and practice and yada yada yada. Then you have to stumble on especially good conditions. Who can confidently, (and accurately) dope wind at one thousand yards? You can't take chances, I never do. Just cross your fingers and hope for the best! I won't even do that for a coyote. My accuracy loads are too valuable to be wasting on "Hail Mary's!"
I consider 400 yards to be a long shot, and that's just about my practical limit. My coyote rifles are a lot better than average accuracy. That means below one inch and most are closer to a half inch.
When you think of a thousand yards and hitting a 6 inch circle with a big game rifle, that's some serious shit, and now it must be a dead calm. Factor in a cross canyon breeze and these people are nuts!
I'm very against long range hunting for the average chump! These guys are kidding themselves. Yes, if you have ten grand invested in a once in a lifetime hunt and it's a bighorn ram, and etc etc ect. well it's one you to take that shot or break camp and go home. I'm still not OK with 500 yards cross canyon. Just try it, rocks on the side of a hill. That's gives you a decent clue on your potential and go ahead and dial it in with your range finder.
This trend is a LOSER! They need to quit promoting it! I don't care how much you invest in gear, when the chips are down and you must dope the wind, and it's shit or cut bait, well, I do not like the odds. Too many variables. Quit promoting it like everybody can do it with a bit of practice. That's bullshit. Ted Williams was the last .406 hitter and hitting major league pitching is a lot harder than killing a buck or a ram at 600+ yards. What would Jack OConner do? Hell, I don't know? But, today's riflemen are not suddenly twice as good as those fellas back then.
Just do me a favor, (gun writers) and quit promoting this 1,000 yard long range hunting! It annoys me!
Good hunting. El Bee
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NVWalt
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posted May 09, 2024 04:57 PM
Amen,, Leonard I agree with it all. As any competition shooter knows it takes many thousands of rounds to achieve some mediocome of success.
I love my little 17 Rem, 700 Classic. What a sweet shooting accurate rifle and I am not afraid to take that 300 yard shot at a head with it but I sure don't recommend it for a new person out coyote hunting. You must PLACE that shot or you get a spinner not a ringer and then if your lucky you can get another round off.
Another thing is shooting a gong at 500 + yards , even out to 1000 yards is not easy to do consistently. Then you got the excitement of shooting your TROPHY. Some people just blow the shot.
On and on...
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Kokopelli
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posted May 09, 2024 04:58 PM
Along these same lines;
To me, it's not so much how far (gun or bow) that the shot was but rather how long is our nimrod willing to spend confirming a hit or a miss ???
In the event of a poor hit, how long are they willing to spend on hands & knees following a really crappy blood trail ??? ......... and do they have the tracking skills needed to see it through ????
Or do they just look thru the scope when the critter doesn't tip over and go "Huh, must have missed. Let's go find another one." ?????
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TA17Rem
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posted May 09, 2024 05:03 PM
its ok Koko, I'll teach you to track.
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UTcaller
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posted May 09, 2024 05:28 PM
Agreed you are not going to walk a bullet into a coyote. One and done. Yes they will occasionally stop after a shot but not very often. And 400 yards is my max. Probably more like 350 yards really.
[ May 09, 2024, 05:29 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
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Kokopelli
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posted May 09, 2024 07:21 PM
Tim;
C'mon down. I can always use a few pointers.
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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2024 07:27 PM
ko! ko! you really messed up. He will take you serious!
Oh? that's what you were hoping?
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Kokopelli
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posted May 10, 2024 03:43 AM
Long ago I was hunting in some sand hills in Ore. and busted a coyotes leg. It took 5 hours of tracking to find & finish that coyote and another hour to find the truck. Fortunately, after decades of bowhunting I have the basics of tracking down but any nugget of information that can be learned is valuable.
I watch outdoor programs where an African critter is being 'stalked' by a Professional Hunter, a guy carrying the shooting sticks, the sportsman / shooter, a couple of trackers, the cameraman and possibly the make-up artist and think 'what a waste' The real value of a Safari would be to learn from those native trackers who have forgotten more about animal sign than I'll ever know.
So yeah, anybody who can teach me something about tracking, ......... c'mon down. Sometimes it's a simple minor thing that leads to the end of the trail and a trophy be it a big buck or 'just a coyote'.
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2024 02:26 PM
Heck, over the years, I have spent far more time tracking coyotes and bobcat than big game. No comparison.
Not to keep harping on my little adventure in Africa, but. It was amazing and actually unnerving to see every category of game animal RUN OFF! There was no such thing as BANG/FLOP! Seriously, they are more tenacious, struggle to survive. That's not just my experience, it's more or less a consensus.
But, I consider myself to be a competent shot on game and as mentioned, my jaw would drop with every well hit animal that simply RAN AWAY!
Fortunately, I had others that first of all, verified a solid hit and able trackers, which I wasn't involved in. My job was to stay put as a point of reference and let the others do their job. AS far as I know, it's a phenomena specific with most all African game. I have no idea why this is the situation but they say it is so. What it did for me was rattle my confidence a bit. Routine shots, you expect terminal results and then you are working a bolt for a follow up, which was never needed and never taken.
I never did any formal investigation, but casual questions got assurances, this is the situation.
So, what were we talking about? I forget?
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted May 10, 2024 05:25 PM
Bags are packed Koko. Go shoot some shit I'll help you find it.
When coyotes first moved in here that's how we killed them, by tracking.
My partner and I would take turns tracking coyote through a section and then onto the next till we got it. Could start on a track at sunup and just finish up before dark. Partner crippled one at one time and we tracked that coyote for 3 days till I finally got close enough for a shot. Fox was easy to track as they tend to just go in a one-mile circle, but on other hand a shot at coyote or a cripple would go 1-2 miles before it even thought about laying down. At one point the coyote stopped bleeding I think on third day and all we had was few tracks off and on and hair. The coyote would brush up against something then hair would start to fall out off and on from around wound area.
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Kokopelli
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posted May 10, 2024 05:48 PM
I'll put ya on speed dial when archery deer opens up in Aug.
Sadly, woodsman-ship is becoming a lost art. No need to be able to think when there's an app on the phone for everything. And don't get me wrong; I'm in awe of the amount of information to be had at one's fingertips. It just seems to me that the loss of common sense is the cost of all of this new technology.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 11, 2024 10:34 AM
Deer season. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Yeah, Koko my nephew like that, googles everything.
One night he couldn't come calling and I told him he needs to go calling more with me or he not going to learn shit.
He says oh I'll be just fine. I then told him you can't google a coyote up.
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Kokopelli
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posted May 11, 2024 11:39 AM
Yup ......... Deer season !!!!
And my Bambi Whacker is an old school recurve that shoots (gasp) aluminon arrows. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted May 11, 2024 05:13 PM
I'll bring my screaming Eagle, that will put you in the game with less tracking.
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Kokopelli
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posted May 11, 2024 07:06 PM
I used to have an Onidia Screaming Eagle. Not sure what the problem was but even with the factory rep's help we could never get proper arrow tune. On the other hand, my wife had one and killed her first deer with it.
About ten years ago I went totally trad and never looked back.
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