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Leonard
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posted October 15, 2015 10:08 AM
A couple days ago I got a postcard from Bass Pro Shops. They said if I don't use my bonus points within the next month, I would lose them to expiration.
So, since I had a recent blunder with American Express over a voucher that had expired for $54, I was determined to cash whatever I had accumulated.
So, yesterday afternoon, I went there, found that I had $56 in credit and decided to spend it, now.
What I was a little surprised about was the amount of ammunition on the shelves. Lots of it, lots of various brands. Just about everything I was interested in except 32ACP, and there was only four boxes of that, one brand, but not the one recommended for my Seecamp, which is the Winchester 62 grain Silvertip.
But anyway, apparently the shortage is over; except of course for 22 rimfire. They had lots of 22Mags behind the counter but I was told to show up early on random days and there was a good chance I would find some, if I wasn't too picky.
So, I bought $99 worth of 40S&W and with tax, it only cost me about $44 on my VISA. I thought that was a worthwhile visit.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted October 15, 2015 10:39 AM
While I have your attention:
Here is a photo of an empty 40S&WDynamic Research Technologies 105gr.H.P. I'd like to know any opinion about the condition of the primer. If you can't see the detail, it is not a normal center punch. It is like a sideways slash? It is apparent to one degree or another on virtually all fired cases in this S&W Shield. Personally, I have never seen anything like it?
Good hunting. El Bee
[ October 15, 2015, 10:44 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Lone Howl
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posted October 15, 2015 10:48 AM
Sloppy (or stiff?) firing pin assembly maybe...moving sideways? Maybe pin dragging on primer upon ejection? Just wild guesses...but yes kinda weird.
Mark
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Prune Picker
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posted October 15, 2015 12:31 PM
Pretty common in the 40 s&w, that's why I've always cautioned everyone about picking up free range brass in 40 cal. I have a pile of once fired s&w 40 cal brass that was fired exclusively in groc m22's, distorted ( egg shaped ) case heads , weird shaped primer strikes( similar to your pic ) AND worst of all blown cases from unsupported chambers. Does you brass have the "smiley face" footprint of said unsupported case expansion / signs of case wall failure ?
As to being unsafe ? it appears to be hot ammo & I'm not overly high on a 105 gr bullet in 40 cal regardless of velocity, one exception being a Glaser mostly because I have fired my share of Glasers in multiple handgun calibers including 40s&w & 45ACP.
If at all possible LB, Try to find some 155gr. Speer Gold Dots to carry in your Shield. Hands down the most consistent factory handgun ammo on the market.
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Lone Howl
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posted October 15, 2015 12:54 PM
CRIPES! I was way off : )
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Leonard
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posted October 15, 2015 02:19 PM
Hmm? I have about 600 factory rounds on hand for 40S&W, none of which are Speer Gold Dots. As I said in the title, regardless, ammo IS becoming available, but it's not like the old days. I have not seen any Glazers, either? I would carry them, if I had them. Most of what I have is 165/170 grain FMJ,(semi wadcutter style)
"smiley face" footprint of said unsupported case expansion"
NO.
Getting back to availability, I am basing my observations on brick and mortar stores, not online searches.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: quote:
CRIPES! I was way off : )
Mark
Maybe so, but that's exactly what I thought.
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posted October 15, 2015 02:59 PM
Mark, you were right on the mark (no pun intended ) in my opinion. The 40 s&w was designed for modern firearms in the 1980's, unlike the 9 mm & 45 acp. so the ammo industry & handgun manufacturers had/have the luxury to load it hot , from the get go. High velocities & pressures is what ya get which to me is a good thing for self defense. I've said it before & I'll say it again, a 150+ gr. bullet @ 1200 fps ain't no whimp! it will knock a 200+ lb. 2 or more legged creature flat on its ass.
Back to he 105 gr. bullet, my personal gripe is lack of sight regulation ( with fixed sights ) at any distance other than up real close. I have tried the 135gr. 40 cal bullets in both the 10 mm Norma & 40 s&w, loaded mild and hot, everything typically printed 3-6 inches low at 25 yds or more. One more thing, guys & gal😀 I know of a ammo source for common speciality handgun ammo, I will share my source to any & all members via email , if anyone needs to stock up. Tho I'm not sure if they'll ship to the PCR lead free zone???
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2015 08:14 AM
I JUST SPENT AN HOUR (oops) reviewing that site.
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posted October 16, 2015 09:37 AM
LB, were you able to compare their prices vs like items AVAILABLE in So Cal? I made a small purchase myself last nite,
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2015 10:41 AM
Many prices were below what I have seen recently. But, alas! No, Glazers, no Black Talon! Also, looked like all bullet weights Speer Gold Dot were out of stock....Thanks, buddy!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS however, regarding competitive pricing. I never got as far as shipping costs, so it could even out. Also, no Winchester 62 gr. SilverTips, only 71 grain 32ACP?
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2015 02:43 PM
I got this brainstorm and looked at the firing pin! Guess what?
I can actually see a beveled dished out area next to the firing pin hole! Hard to describe but it is almost a negative to the positive imprint on the spent primer.
Take a look for your self. My question is; is this a defect or deliberate?
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posted October 16, 2015 03:54 PM
My 9 Shield has the same cut & all the rest I've looked at have it. As for the ammo, they post updates of "in stock items" promptly. I looked at the in stock amount before my purchase & as soon as I recd. conformation of my order I checked "in stock" amounts & it displayed amended total for sale.
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posted October 16, 2015 04:12 PM
One only difference (besides caliber) that I see between my pistol & yours is the loaded chamber indicator on your PRC " appoved" model. And for what it's worth, I favor a loaded chamber indicator, especially after dark.
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Leonard
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posted October 16, 2015 05:06 PM
Yeah, it's a bit on the snaggy side, but I find the loaded chamber indicator useful.
Ok, so the primer hole is egged out intentionally, exactly like the slide hole for the barrel?
I'm not sure what you meant, but the Gold Dots all said out of stock, I don't know about any updates?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 16, 2015 05:36 PM
As far as "I" am aware, your breech & firing pin cuts look normal on all the Shields I've looked at & for what it's worth all of the +p & +p+ 9 mm loads I intend to fire in my shield the fired brass will stay on the ground for fertilizer .
Maybe 49 knows of a source for some factory Gold Dots for the 40' regardless I'll pay closer attention for in stock ammo sources & I think cor bon offers 40's loaded w/ no lead projectiles, barnes x 's maybe? but the buck a round prices don't overly excite me.
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TOM64
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posted October 17, 2015 01:51 AM
That's normal ElBee, for all striker fired pistols.
We sort brass at the range after a shoot by looking at the very distinct primer marks Glock's and M&P's have. Keep shooting.
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2015 05:25 AM
Whew! I was starting to worry! Call off the search party and don't pay the ransom, Tom has turned up alive and well.
Now, a little more illumination, please. What are we looking for when sorting 40S&W brass? If they all have the weird striker mark on the primer, what else? My brass looks fine, except for the primer mark, no distortions and I was wanting to reload them.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 17, 2015 05:40 AM
Mine is 9mm and I get the same thing you're getting. The Grock guys get very similar but different enough to tell it ain't mine.
What Mike is talking about is totally different and is a bulge on the side of the case just in front of the rim. Even 9's will do it if ran too hot.
Sorry I've been away, been busy and got a new bow so I've been slacking on the coyotes. Did manage to kill one last weekend. Caught him mousing in a field and lip squeaked him to 30 yards all the while holding at full draw. These new fangled bows are something.
In a tree right now as a matter of fact.
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2015 08:46 AM
I don't care, a coyote with archery tackle is an accomplishment.
I understand the bulge, same thing happens on 1911's when they throat the barrel too much as a solution to jamming while loading.
Good hunting. El Bee
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4949shooter
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posted October 19, 2015 04:01 PM
SGAmmo.com is a good source for .40.
http://www.sgammo.com/catalog/pistol-ammunition/40-cal-ammo
There are two loads of Gold dot in .40 in 165 grain, a hot and a light version. The hot load chipped the slide on my Glock 27 (baby Glock), so I stick with 180 grain loads in that gun. The light load in 165 should be okay in the Shield.
Tom has it right. The striker fired pistols make that odd shaped primer mark. The Glocks striker marks looks almost exactly the same.
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