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Kokopelli
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posted December 16, 2014 08:06 AM
Hey El Bee;
What are your thoughts on misting on daylight stands. Cover versus confusion scents. Adding gland lure to the urine as the coyote rut approaches ??
Worthwhile or more trouble than it's worth ???
Thanx !!
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Leonard
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posted December 16, 2014 10:49 AM
Ah yes. Take a good idea and masturbate it.
Back in the day, I was one of perhaps a half dozen people in the world that was misting...this was in 1968 if anybody is listening.
So, all misting was done at night, still is. If you don't night hunt and don't understand how a coyote approaches a stand, you will not get much from misting on a day stand.
So Higgins uses mist on day stands, but what does he do with it? Just screws with their little minds; I believe I am quoting him accurately?
Fact is, you need to pay attention to killing a coyote on a day stand because you have so little warning, unlike at night where you see them approaching from a half mile away.
Anyway, the whole concept has very little application. Now, pay attention pilgrims because I might only say this once: Misting is only good for the coyote that is determined to get downwind. If he does, misting will hold him there for maybe five seconds while he is confused, before he flees the scene. Otherwise, he won't even slow down as he crosses your scent; coyotes can smell scent as the run, even with their backs turned, and they figure you out pretty quick.
So, on a day stand, why would you mist for ten minutes and then wait for a shot at two hundred yards downwind, when you could probably shoot him at 75-100 yards as he is moving downwind? What I am saying is; misting was developed for night hunting where it is damned near indispensable.
Yes, you can mist on a day stand where it has very little value, and no actual negatives, other than distracting you from killing a hard charger, that is. I don't mist on day stands. That aught to tell you something?
It's a situation where somebody doesn't really understand the mission, like allowing eighteen year old's to vote. If you don't hunt at night, forget that shit, you are too stupid to appreciate a valuable tool and instead, misuse it.
Whatever, have fun.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted December 16, 2014 10:56 AM
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Worthwhile or more trouble than it's worth ???
Not worthwhile, in my opinion. Getting clever with the formula is also futile. As I have said; you only have a five second window when he plants downwind. If he sniffs some yummy gland lure, will that make your shot more accurate?
Sometimes, I wish I had never brought up the subject, people are too stupid to understand the app.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I can count on one hand the number of times I have had a coyote approach from downwind, while misting. This generally has something to do with heavy cover, all you can see are eyes but you don't have a clear shot. So, you need to select your night stand with a clear view of downwind....if possible?
[ December 16, 2014, 10:59 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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Leonard
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posted December 16, 2014 11:00 AM
Actually, I could caveat on the subject all friggin' day for those that don't "get it".
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Kokopelli
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posted December 16, 2014 08:51 PM
Interesting.
I've been misting (daylight) and found that it `may` have value when the air movement is wafting back and forth. Even with some pretty exotic formulas, it's still a confusion scent, not a cover scent.
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Leonard
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posted December 17, 2014 11:49 AM
...and, is this effort in moderately heavy cover, armed with bows and pointed sticks? And, if the quarry be bobcats, you can just forget it, they pay no attention whatever to scent; cover, confusing or masking, use descriptive adverb of choice.
I should also offer my opinion on: quote:
when the air movement is wafting back and forth
This^ is occasion when coyotes completely disregard, or more accurately, decide that there is no point in chasing variable zephyrs.
So, I don't know what to tell you, other than, if you find some value; ignore my half baked opinions and continue, with confidence that you "may" be on to something.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 17, 2014 12:53 PM
I do believe bobcats will pay attention to scent, if they happen to end up in the scent cone. Seen it twice where cats turned inside out when they reached the scent cone. It's not like they went looking for the down wind, but these two cats ended up there and for no other known reason, simply react much like a coyote normally would when it hit human scent, turned inside out, so to speak.
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posted December 17, 2014 01:41 PM
TR...How far from your location were the cats when they turned inside out?
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Leonard
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posted December 17, 2014 03:20 PM
Well, anything's possible TR? And, I agree, a cat won't go looking for the downwind, but if he is accidentally there, maybe he will react negatively? On the other hand, I've seen more than a couple come in from downwind and completely ignore all the olfactory signals.
Here's my take on cats. They have a nose and they use it for their own purposes. But, just as a cat will walk away disdainfully, even if he knows you are there, it's the same when he detects your scent, if he happens to be downwind. He is not impressed by you or your scent. This is in diametrical opposition with a coyote who pays very close attention to his nose.
That's the difference. Cats are sight hunters, for the most part. I don't know how well a blind coyote would do, but he just might survive for a while?
Cat's don't normally turn inside out, even if you are shooting at them. Even if they see you, they are usually deliberate in their movements.
All this is not to dispute your observations...you know what you saw.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted December 18, 2014 06:24 AM
the one cat I didn't see on stand, my nephew was watching it come and I had no idea it was around, but nephew said it was coming at a steady creep, head down low, and got to about 75 yards, stopped for a second, spun and left in a hurry. 2nd cat was probably 60 yards from me and stalled when all of a sudden it spun and left. Both times, we, my nephew and I, knew they were down wind of us but just didn't think they'd react like that.
One of the first cats I ever shot sat about 13 yards away from me and watched as I cycled 12 live rounds through my 270, it's all I had at the time many years ago, until finally the 13th round fired. I learned shortly after that how to disassemble a bolt for cleaning.
I witnessed a rancher friend of mine take 3 shots at a cat that was sitting about 225 yards from us, and the cat never twitched until the 3rd shot hit at his feet.
They are dumb, most of the time.
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posted December 18, 2014 07:35 AM
Yeah, you can say, "dumb" and few would argue. I like cats and admire their abilities.
So, I think they are confident and arrogant and they don't believe you are able to harm them. Yeah, and a coyote isn't taking any chances!
I read an account once about a guy that had crawled into a cave with a light. This bobcat was backed up against the back wall and began those lightning fast slashes while the man tried to exit. But, his jacket had bunched up and he was bottled up, no way to go but forward. How the hell do you exit something like that gracefully?
Truthfully, I don't remember, it was a long time ago. But, just imagine, go ahead and solve it, I'll wait.
Good hunting. El Bee
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