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Leonard
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posted October 27, 2014 06:41 PM
Ebola and Obama’s crisis of competence
White House press secretary Josh Earnest stopped just short of criticizing states whose policies on potential Ebola patients go beyond the Centers for Disease Control recommendations during the daily briefing on Monday. (AP)
By Marc A. Thiessen October 27 at 12:01 PM
Ebola may not be a widespread health crisis in the United States just yet, but it is creating a crisis of another kind — a crisis of confidence in the competence of the federal government.
Many Americans were shocked to learn that when Ebola-infected doctor Craig Spencer returned to New York City from Guinea, took a three-mile run, visited a coffee stand, ate at a meatball restaurant, traveled on three New York subway lines, met friends at a Brooklyn bowling alley and used an Uber sedan to return home, he was not violating the U.S. government’s Ebola protocols.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention instructs health workers returning from West Africa to monitor their health for 21 days and that “during the time that you are monitoring your health, you can continue your normal activities.” Only after a health worker’s temperature reaches 100.4 degrees Fahrenheit does the CDC advise that he or she go to a doctor, “limit your contact with other people” and “avoid public transportation.”
Continue your normal activities? It is simply unbelievable that this remains the official federal guidance for people who were exposed to the Ebola virus — especially after the CDC just came under fire for telling Dallas nurse Amber Vinson (who had been exposed to Ebola and had a 99.5-degree fever) that she was safe to fly on a plane with 134 passengers aboard because her temperature had not yet reached 100.4 degrees.
So bad has the CDC’s handling of Ebola been that the governors of New York and New Jersey had to step in and impose their own mandatory 21-day quarantine on health-care workers returning to their states from West Africa after treating Ebola patients.
The governors of New York and New Jersey are defending their newly-enacted Ebola policies. Both states are quarantining medical workers who return from treating Ebola patients in West Africa. (AP)
The sad part is that the CDC was one of the last federal agencies that still enjoyed the confidence of the American people. In May 2013, 60 percent of Americans said the CDC was doing a good or excellent job. Today, that number has dropped to 37 percent, placing the CDC only a few points ahead of the scandal-plagued Internal Revenue Service and Department of Veterans Affairs.
That’s bad news for the country — and bad news for President Obama. Even before Ebola reached our shores, trust in Obama’s stewardship of the country was plummeting. Thanks to the botched Obamacare rollout, the border crisis, the VA scandal, IRS scandal, the General Services Administration scandal, the Syria “red-line” debacle and the implosion of Iraq, among other disasters at home and abroad, a July poll by Fox News found that a stunning 58 percent of Americans surveyed believed that Obama was incompetent in managing the federal government (including one-third of Democrats).
Now, his administration’s mishandling of Ebola threatens to permanently cement that public perception of incompetence in the collective American mind.
The wound is entirely self-inflicted. From the start, the president has treated Ebola like a public relations crisis rather than a health crisis — offering Americans multiple assurances that turned out to be false.
On Sept. 16, Obama promised Americans that his administration was “taking the necessary precautions . . . so that someone with the virus doesn’t get on a plane for the United States.” Four days later, on Sept. 20, an Ebola-infected Liberian national, Thomas Eric Duncan, flew to Dallas, where he later died in a Texas hospital.
Obama further assured Americans that “In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores, we’ve taken new measures so that we’re prepared here at home.” A few weeks later, two Dallas nurses contracted Ebola because, as a nurses union put it, there was “no advance preparedness on what to do with the patient, there was no protocol, there was no system.” And now, a month later, an American doctor with Ebola was taking the subway and bowling in New York — all while following federal safety guidelines.
The Ebola crisis is sapping the last vestiges of trust in the basic competence of this administration. According to the World Health Organization, Ebola now has a 70 percent death rate. When a doctor infected with Ebola is allowed to ride the New York subway with the federal government’s blessing, Americans are right to be angry. And when their president refuses to restrict U.S. travel visas for residents of Liberia, Sierra Leone and Guinea — and pressures New York and New Jersey to weaken their quarantine policy — Americans don’t believe that he is doing everything in his power to protect them.
From the Islamic State to Ebola, the world appears to be spinning out of control — and Americans sense that their president is completely out of his depth.
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posted October 28, 2014 12:37 PM
Ebola crisis??
How did I miss that?!
The main points I take away from the article, is that the guy in New York did indeed follow guidelines and nobody - NOBODY caught ebola from him.
The 134 passengers on the plane with that nurse? Uhhh, yah, none of them caught it.
So, what's the problem, exactly?
And where is the crisis?
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posted October 28, 2014 03:32 PM
Someone sent me an email that's probably accurate, telling of the difficulty in bringing a HORSE into this country from certain areas. 60 day quarantine and such stuff. Paper trail of shots etc. Vet inspection before release.
Apparently.........we value the health of our horses more than we do the public.
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posted October 28, 2014 03:41 PM
Horses are property, without rights. Even so, the gov't better have a good reason for telling me what I can do with my property.
They need to have a much better reason for detaining me and denying me my right to move about freely.
Again, in this country, where is this ebola crisis you speak of? Where are the guidelines being followed allowing it to spread?
I'm just not seeing it.
What I do see, is the usual politico bullshit. Not just don't let a good crisis go to waste, but don't let the opportunity to make one up and use it go to waste.
Show me the spread of ebola in this country. Show me the crisis. Until I see it, I'll continue to believe it's a bunch of politico/media/hysteria driven bullshit.
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Leonard
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posted October 28, 2014 03:48 PM
Dave, the problem is the administration is incompetent. Not that we have an epidemic on our hands. But, if things were to fall into place in the other direction, we would be up to our necks in a deadly virus.
As with every issue, these people don't know how to run the country, that's the problem. We can't trust Obama to do what's right, or to do it when it's needed. He's always a day late and a dollar short.
And, another thing. Seems to me he is deflecting attention for political purposes? Did we really need to be transporting all these sick people to the states? A lot of people, (me included) think Ebola should stay in Africa; whatever it takes.
Also, I guess I didn't attribute the article? I'll have to go back and find it. (hopefully)
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 28, 2014 03:51 PM
Appeared in the Washington Post 10-27-2014
By Marc A. Thiessen October 27
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posted October 28, 2014 03:54 PM
No argument from me on the Obama administration. He's making Jimmy Carter look like a giant among leaders.
The republicans are playing up this ebola shit for their own purposes. Christy gonna do what the president isn't willing to, by gawd!
Nevermind he's willfully trampling the rights of a citizen for political gain.
It's the same kind of issue manipulation politico bullshit the liberals are constantly doing.
Exactly the same kind of bullshit.
But yeah, the administration, as a whole, is a fucking eunuch.
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posted October 28, 2014 03:56 PM
I agree with the above. Completely, including fatboy.
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posted October 28, 2014 04:00 PM
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Dave, the problem is the administration is incompetent
I think you mean 'Government' is incompetent.
I have to agree with Dave. I also find it kind of ironic that the one side that preaches 'less' government involvement is screaming that there now isn't enough.
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posted October 28, 2014 05:13 PM
Yes, the whole gov't is incompetent.
Monetary policy is a crisis. Foreign policy is a crisis. Immigration policy is a crisis. Health care policy is a crisis.
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posted October 28, 2014 06:01 PM
I guess I don't understand the varying rules regarding those coming from the Ebola hot zone. Why will our soldiers, upon returning, will be under mandatory quarantine, but the voluntary docs. aren't? BUT, a burning question is why are we sending soldiers, who never signed up for such duties, being sent over there to start with. We're not at war with African, and don't they have better or more important duties to do? And where the fucking UN in this mess? Why aren't they calling for all countries to contribute some help in the situation? Why is it all U.S.A., again. Why not other countries put some skin in the game?
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posted October 28, 2014 06:50 PM
That's a good point!
And, Obama is MR U.N. every other time. Why is he getting us into this shit?
As far as the military; I believe they are claiming these people are volunteering? Not sure, but I "think" that's what I heard?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 29, 2014 05:15 AM
I remember reading the book, 'The Hot Zone', from which the movie 'Outbreak' was based. That book skeered the chit outta me at the time. Might be worth a read, as it outlines what a deadly airborne pathogen would likely do to the human population.
Would agree with Dave & Geordie. If there truly were an ebola crisis, we'd not be bitchin' about gubmint policy, ~90% of us would be dying...or already dead...
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posted October 29, 2014 05:28 AM
I like The Stand better as an example. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
AIDS turned out to be a huge disappointment. I ain't getting my hopes up for ebola .
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posted October 29, 2014 07:40 AM
I watched a video on FOX this morning about DICKWEED. Said, everything about him is POLITICS. Eats, sleeps and breathes, (and shits) politics!
That's one thing, but if we can believe the reporter, Sharel Akitson, (will correct spelling later) that she had a very sophisticated attack on her personal computer, that tends to show the dishonest, criminal nature of this administration. It's Saul Alinski all over again; the end justifies the means. They have no shame whatsoever. They take that Koolaid intravenously, every morning.
For me, I have a hard time believing government has sunk this low. I am basically an idealist, like to give them credit for doing what's best for the country. Their version of what the country needs, that is.
But, how they accomplish their goals? Do they rig voting machines to record a Democrat vote no matter which box is clicked? Do they drive around with an entire ballot box in their trunk that they forgot to count coming from a Republican district? Do they fritter away ballots sent to deployed servicemen until the last minute, knowing they will not be returned in time because these guys tend to vote Republican?
I don't put anything past the Democrats and I fault the stupid-ass Republicans for being outflanked on every level. They (apparently) don't know how to fight dirty? See, the Democrats save issues for last. First, they dig into personal history for anything, like did the candidate call in sick one day, and go fishing instead? When did he stop beating his wife? Does he have an unpaid parking ticket? Does his girlfriend spit or swallow?
And, if they can't find anything....MAKE IT UP ! Just like Dan Rather's documents claiming Bush skipped out of his Reserve Unit. No shame, whatever it takes. How many Treasury checks were sent to ACORN's office address in New Orleans? Was it hundreds or thousands? Did that blow over, anything ever happen, anybody held accountable? NOPE.
They have perfected STONEWALLING to a fine art. How long have we been trying to get to the bottom of FAST AND FURIOUS? How about BENGHAZI? What ever happened to IRS targeting the TEA PARTY? Shovel ready jobs, STIMULUS? SOLYNDRA? They can fix the problem of undocumented children if they get another 4.3 billion dollars. Meanwhile, it's a secret where they have hidden them, privacy issue, or something?
There is so much stink on Obama that I can't believe this election is even close? Apparently, people are incredibly stupid. If you want proof, watch Watter's World on Oreilli. Have not a clue who Joe Biden is; for instance. Pathetic. Geography? Couldn't find Europe on a map, if it was labeled "EUROPE". Maybe think you can drive to Hawaii?
No question the education system is broken. Kids don't know who Washington was, or Truman, but they know everything about JFK, Martin Luther King Jr., Rosa Parks, and the civil rights movement.
And, that's not education, it's political indoctrination. We've lost a couple generations to this crap. Might be too late?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 29, 2014 09:46 AM
Without spoiling the plot, you need to read Dan Brown's new one, "Inferno"
Strangely, it ties into this discussion. Was a real thought provoking & enjoyable read...
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posted October 29, 2014 10:36 AM
I read it, at least six months ago. LB
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posted October 29, 2014 11:41 AM
Leonard, the only part I disagree with you on, is that the republicans, as a group, are any better, or different. They just pander to our interests more. They aren't any cleaner, aren't more honest, aren't better people. Scratch the surface and they are the exact same pieces of shit.
Absolutely no different. Absolutely no better. And thinking they are, is part of the problem.
I despise republicans just as much as democrats. Indeed, in my mind, those labels only indicate which side of some particular interests they see the butter on their particular slice of bread. Nothing beyond that. They'll gladly fuck us in an instant, without a second thought, for their own gain.
We need to throw them ALL out.
My opinion, anyway.
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posted October 29, 2014 12:35 PM
I'm under no illusions, Dave. I understand where you are coming from. I agree that they are all motivated by selfish interests, not the folks, as OReilly likes to say.
Let me remind what I have been saying for years. I AM A ONE ISSUE VOTER !
Democrats want my guns. Republicans oppose that issue, they are pretty much as locked into it just as the Democrats cater to blacks and unions.
I have nowhere to go. The only party that at least "claims" to support the Second Amendment are the Republicans. That's my issue. My top priority, and it never fails. I vote a straight Republican ticket and vote against every judge on the ballot appointed by fucking Liberal Democrats.
It's not practical to vote Libertarian, it's throwing the vote away for principle. Same with any other third party. We have a two party system, like it or not. It's like a curve ball or a fast ball. You can throw a change up once in a while but it's the flamethrowers that put the side out.
Sorry, I have to vote for Republicans because nobody else will protect my freedoms.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 29, 2014 08:38 PM
Consider this;
The Republicans (generally) appoint conservative Judges to the Supreme Court. The Democrats (generally) appoint liberal Judges.
Since the forces of evil are using the Bench to legislate from, I prefer to have Judges who support my way of thinking.
Ergo; I vote Republican.
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