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Leonard
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posted March 10, 2025 04:34 PM
I have been thumbing through this copy of Outdoor Life, making note of the post it comments. Very cool. And I still can’t get over the quantity, (amount) of content in one monthly publication. It’s amazing what publications have evolved into, basically just advertisements promoting new gear.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 10, 2025 06:52 PM
Yes ............... Each one of those magazines has about a years worth of content by today's standards.
And about 99% of it is as valid today as it was was then.
Sadly, we now worship at the alter of technology and are sacrificing woodsmanship in a deal with the Devil.
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posted March 10, 2025 08:23 PM
I agree with both of you it's not like it used to be. The stories would talk about some of the gear used but also about the animal hunted and its behavior and how the hunt took place and tactics. Some even go so far to talk about the people that live in a given area and some of their lifestyle and so on.
Once in a while I get a Predator Nation magazine and read articles on calling/hunting coyotes and most of the Authers don't have a clue and just repeat same crap most have known for years or info from another author. And then they write a shit load about all the gear you must have to be successful and its mostly the high dollar stuff or its equipment that i would consider junk.
The funniest author is that Fred Echler most everything he talks about came from another source without actual experience in the matter, just shit he passes on over and over.
He hunts with Hornady FMJ ammo which is the worse choice out there for pred. and then you must have his special edition AR with his name on it. LOL
In one Mag. there was a article by a guy he actually new what he was doing and talking about and found his article interesting enough to read all of it, as for the rest i never finish it and just toss it in garbage.
For the guidelines to write a article you can't point out the bad info put out there by other authors and yes you have to mention some of the gear that the mag. has adds for.
Use to get the trapper pred. caller news rag as well But Lance fucked most of that up, too much B.S..
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posted March 11, 2025 01:47 PM
There is a guy that writes for one magazine. I cringe every time I read his articles because at some point he will mention something about a “SET”. This is an old trapper term about the shit they do. What pisses me off is that what I CALL A STAND, HE CALLS A SET!
I can’t tell you how much it bothers me! It’s a STAND! Quit calling it a fucking SET!
Don’t make me bring this up again! But, I promise, that guy (I think his name is Kaiser? Or maybe Kayser? He’s a harmless fellow, but please, knock it off! Because, it bothers me! It’s NOT A SET! It is properly called a damned STAND! So, quit pissing me off, Kaiser!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 11, 2025 02:06 PM
But, getting back to these Outdoor Life periodicals. One thing the did, back then is the ads. Ads for whisky ads for over the counter drugs, ads for stuff that now days, you would never find in a gun or hunting magazine. These days, this is obvious and the truth; they are disguised promoting the latest and newest and the best gear and you are a fool if you do not buy one of these things right away!
Every new gun, every new scope, every new box of cartridges, it is the finest, most accurate, most reliable, best quality on the planet! Every article about a new model is the best ever made! What ever you are using, throw it away and get this new product because it is so much better than what you now have that you look silly, if you are caught dead using last years rifle or pistol! Seriously!
That’s all they do is hype new products to the point where all it is is shilling for the new products and you know, beyond doubt that the writer is being paid, secretly, to rave about this new thing. This new rifle is so accurate that you should be ashamed to be walking around with something from last year, and noticeably inferior! So, if you are smart you will not hesitate and go buy this new gadget!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 11, 2025 03:15 PM
yep, same way with Pro staffers, hate em.
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posted March 11, 2025 07:59 PM
Ok ........... My mentor in all things curmudgeonly gifted me with Peterson's Hunting magazine.
It actually has a couple of interesting articles. Worth a thumb-thru.
But this thread did get me curious. First, I realized that the front cover is page one.
Then I made note of the full page ads.
Pages; 3-scope, 5-carbon barrels, 7-tungsten shot, 9-rifle, 10/11-insurance,13-river cruise, 14/15-outdoor channel,16-scope,21-dog food,22-plano,23-new gear, 27-mossberg, 40/41/42/43/44/45 new gear optics, 46/47/48/49 new gear ammo, 55-life books, 59-outdoor channel,67-wheels, 107-outdoor channel, 108/109-shot show,113-on x, 114-ammo.
32 full page ads out of 114 pages. 28% if I'm not mistaken.
As mentioned a couple of good articles. ALL of the rest were field tests of the latest & greatest.
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posted March 12, 2025 09:43 AM
The Var. hunter mag. was pretty good i think i have all but one of their mag.s. useful info on hunting and many of the adds were small and kept off to side of each page. many of adds was of gunsmith service, some call makers.
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posted March 12, 2025 10:06 AM
Yes, but what you are implying is that the whole publication is full of ads, disguised as info. And, as I have mentioned a number of times, most of the new products aren’t even in the stores, yet! For sure, not in The People’s Republik!
And what we get is the safety edition! What we get is a special model that won’t fire without a magazine inserted. And, it must have some way to alert the user that there is a round in the chamber. And, the big Enchilada is that everyone else get’s the model that holds 15+1, but the Kalifornia Edition only holds 10! And, do not try to get around laws by just ordering a 15 round magazine from the manufacturer. As soon as your zip code comes up, sorry, we can’t send 15 round magazines to your state….deal with it!
So, we always get inferior models and last years models and all the features nobody wants. The “California Edition” always costs more and has safety features nobody needs, but the state mandates features that could get a man killed, disguised as a “safety feature”. My gun won’t fire, if I try to hand feed it single shot. No magazine inserted, it’s disabled. How is it ever in my best interests that my fucking gun will not fire? Must have a magazine inserted or it will not fire. This is to protect me? Whatever?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 12, 2025 04:05 PM
Reading this I couldn't help but remember the old Herters catalogs and how everything they sold was beyond the grasp of imagination to how well it was and performed.
anyways,,,Carry on.
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posted March 12, 2025 08:21 PM
I was located right in middle of two Herters stores. Lot of memories walking through one and using much of the equipment they sold.
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posted March 13, 2025 01:08 PM
I bought about 4 boxes of Herter’s 9mm last year at BassProShop. I thought Herter’s was out of business like cabela’s? Maybe somebody bought the name? Seems to me they have been gone for at least 25 years? My uncle had a Herter’s rifle, forget what it was, a bolt action, economy, but decent, I think it was a Mauser? They sold decent stuff, nothing fancy.
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posted March 13, 2025 02:01 PM
Herter's was big .......... Utilitarian grade stuff.
Then they filed bankruptcy, chapter 11 and faded down to almost nothing. The brand was sold to Cabela's which was in turn sold to Bass Pro Shops.
One can sometimes fine the old catalogs on eBay. Everybody should have one in their library.
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posted March 13, 2025 05:13 PM
Much of Heters was outsourced and their name put on it or a sticker. Decoys was one of the true items they made and sold and some ammo as well. One of the fancy rifles they sold was i believe Church hill, mauser type and made for them in Europe, some Sako's also carried their name. Fishing flies was also real big and believe they made them as well and also had their own snell hook for walleye fishing. A friend still has some of the hooks.
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posted March 13, 2025 05:23 PM
They had a line of predator calls. I have a handful of them. They work but just don't have 'panache'.
Hard to describe .......... why do we grab one call over another........... Panache. ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted March 13, 2025 10:27 PM
Penocha? Si!
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posted March 14, 2025 12:07 AM
Uh ........... No. Mind in the gutter; Two point penalty.
Panache; English, Flamboyant manner, verve, style or flair. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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posted March 14, 2025 09:23 AM
I believed some of the calls was designed for calling fox in my part of the woods, takes a different sound to get them in. and many calls on today's market just don't cut it here thus the need to buy more brand of calls to find what works and what don't. Berham Bro.s was the best I could find as well as the herters but Herters calls are hard to come by. Pied piper was another good call for red fox here but not so much for coyotes
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posted March 14, 2025 01:50 PM
There have been various folks raving to me, now and then, about Pied Piper calls. The late Bruce Kennedy gave me one, with the usual raves about how deadly it was. For me, it was about as effective as a piece of grass held tightly between the thumbs. However, since I never bothered to try it, I can’t really say, (truthfully) how effective it is….but it looks suspiciously like some kind of sex toy; as I imagine what a sex toy might look like?
Here’s the thing, on that issue. People put way too much magic, or some intrinsic quality into a mouth call. It’s like playing an Obo or a trombone, etceteras. Some fit your style and some seem less user friendly. You can get very emotionally involved in pretending that you are a dying critter, if you let your imagination lead the way. When that happens, you might be too involved to notice an approach. Can happen. When it does, you might also be too exhausted to accurately pull a trigger?
Then too, comes the question of PAUSES. Too many, too little, too long, not enough, and so on. And Wiley Coyote is the teacher, maybe sneaky Mr Bobcat? It’s hard to know when you got it. Depending on prey density, it’s hard to know if you are attracting a predator or scaring one away. It’s a matter of faith and conviction. Sometimes they are running and sometimes it’s dead out there. Like Professor Higgins, he would move Heaven and earth to be set up at the exact first crack of dawn. (Note to self: be careful using that word “set”!) Apparently, coyotes are most receptive to a dying rabbit at exactly the crack of dawn? I always thought they waited at least 10-15 minutes, but what do I know? I can document when they knock it off, or take a break. It’s about 9:30-10:00 depending on the month. In my opinion, afternoons are very slow., maybe you
Snag a stray once in a while. Especially if hunting at night too, afternoons are better spent taking a nap. All depends on the area. I there is a lot of trees then you might entice a coyote to respond in the afternoon. Or, if you can’t sleep? But when we are on a club hunt, once a month and it’s a new moon, that’s prime time for night hunting.
Enough bs for now.
Good hunting. El Bee
Edit: I was just correcting a spelling error and noticed that part about “sneaky Mr Bobcat” reminded me of this time up in Nevada. People don’t realize that that sagebrush country can hold a surprising number of cats. There was this one time in particular when I had picked up a set of eyes way up on a mountain, hillside. The friggin’ animal started coming in on a string from an estimated half a mile, he was way out there and coming in fast, bouncing and weaving but pretty much in a straight line until he hit a ditch that was along the edge of the road and the brush was real thick. Then he stuck his head out and although everything indicated a big dog coyote by the straight “on a string” approach, there was a big Tom bobcat looking my way! I’m telling you, I’ve seen my share of coyotes romping in to a call, and this was a classic straight down the mountainside, full speed! At a run, the whole way! No sneaking from bush to bush, like they talk about in the books about the stealthy approach of a bobcat. You know, suddenly, there he is poking his head around the side of a rock. Not this guy, he made a beeline straight in to the call, no pauses, no slowing down to check things out. Really fooled me too. Nice big cat, must have been hungry? Killed him without taking another step, he was about 30-40 feet away. But they seldom come in that fast from that far away, without a couple pauses and or changes in direction. Anyway, just thought of that one occasion. LB
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posted March 14, 2025 03:35 PM
The red fox here preferred a call at the higher pitch sound. That raspy old rabbit just scares crap out of them and was same with many coyotes here on daytime stand. The pied piper and even the AP-6 call if you bite down on end of the reed produced the perfect sound for red fox but not for a coyote here but in another state the AP-6 was cats' ass and worked well with those coyotes. Some parts of country some guys have good luck with a screaming jack while in another place it's a big turn off.
I think i have around 100 mouth calls and 80% of them are useless for my part of country.
You set up in a field and can see target animal from over half mile away and you can clearly see on how it reacts to this call or another, know difference, use right call and kill them in.
As for night calling some coyotes early in season will come to a rabbit and some won't if you don't use coyote vocals as well. All part of the game if you want put more fur in the truck.
Going to toot my horn here but when it comes to just Redfox i was the best caller in the state and never met a equal and that's fact. We're not many callers around back when we had 30-40.00 fox and if anyone tried it was perhaps on a weekend cause they had jobs to go to during week. Most of the guys that did get a fox was from spot and stalk or group hunting or running down with snowmobiles and trapping.
Fur buyer was full of good info on his customers and what they did to bring fox numbers in and calling was not one of them. maybe 2 or 3 killed at the most.
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posted March 15, 2025 10:21 AM
Confession: I’ve never killed a Red Fox!
I’ve see a handful. Two places you might not guess. One, Canada. The other, on the Navajo reservation in Arizona. All together, probably not more than a dozen. I have no idea if that is a very weak total or about average?
I just remembered something!
The very first predator of any sort, that I saw was while pheasant hunting in Mankato, Minnesota! I was about 11 years old. To me, it was as momentous as if I had seen a Dinosaur, or maybe a Siberian tiger. I’d never seen one, probably had never even thought about it but as soon as I saw it, I knew what it was. But, for me, they have been elusive. I might have taken a shot at one but that’s not how I do things. Either 500 yards, or at a dead run, I am not flinging lead at a low percentage shot. The only chancy type of shot I “might” take is a wounded animal, and not way out yonder, either.
That’s what irks me about this LONG RANGE SHIT! I think it’s a sorry situation to go out and actually plan on sniping a fucking elk at 800 yards! You already have the plan, you bought and assembled the gear to improve your odds, and that’s your intention; to sneak up and pot any big game animal at 800/1,000 yards! As I have said, in the past; that animal can move 6 feet, while your bullet is in flight! And, you have no idea, zero, of the wind. You do not know if it’s breezy or dead calm, or from what direction it might be blowing? With that in mind, personally, I do not think it’s ethical to seriously plan on doing it!
I think 400 yards, or to be generous, four hundred meters, is a legitimate shot on game. 440 yards is a quarter mile, Binky! Yeah, I’ve done it, under a very strict regimen or discipline. It’s economy and practicality and ethics. And, if you do it, do not expect an attaboy from me. It’s a flexible boundary. Pretty soon 857 yards is a 65 percentage shot, but 817 is reasonable. And you dial it in. The danger is, you make the shot and NOW, 1,000 yards is worth consideration. I don’t like it! And, I think the whole concept should be de emphasized. Too many variables for this kid!
Nobody practices enough to be good. Yeah, the military has unlimited money and the soldiers have nothing but time on their hands; might as well be ringing steel at 2,000 yards. And with the best rangefinders on the planet, they should be able to hit what they are aiming at. That’s fine. But your average Nimrod doesn’t have the premium gear or thousands of dollars worth of ammo. they don’t have as much free time to devote to marksmanship. You are kidding yourself if you think you can duplicate what they do in the military. Oh, but you have the talent? Okay.
I’m against this shit for civilians. Nobody is as good as they think they are. Any time that you need to change your scope settings for anything besides ground squirrels, you are looking for trouble. These assholes aren’t satisfied with the longest 1 mile kill. Or, the 2 mile kill. Now, nobody is impressed unless you can make the 3 mile kill. I hope I’ve convinced you to forget about the long range BS. Otherwise, you will just be an embarassment to all your friends that used to look up to you as a damned fine shot on game.
End of rant!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 15, 2025 03:48 PM
First red fox i seen was roadkill just down road from my dad's dairy farm. I looked at it then picked it up and brought it home on my bike. I showed it to my dad when he returned home and found out what it was. He went on to telling me a little bit about them and their habits and then that fall took me to a plowed field, and we kicked one up laying close to its den. It made it into the hole and last time i seen it. Years later I think i was 12 then my father and friends took me and my brothers along on a fox hunting trip in area. Drove back roads looking for one laying out on a drift or fence line. Brothers and me would spread out and put the sneak on a spotted fox while my dad and his friends sat on the road and waited for it to come. All we carried was shotties and the grownups had the rifles. I learned a lot about our little red foxes and just never got over them. Got out of the service and then hunted them every winter since and through trial and error learn to call them in. Was nothing wrong with my calling but found out it was the call itself; many just didn't have the right pitch/tone so i went through a lot of them and still have most. I stubbled Apon the right call for them and it was all downhill after that.
Long range, sure I have my limits but first i have to look at where I'm hunting and where critter is. Open ground and no hidey holes then its game on and flatter the ground the better. The farther a critter is away the less the sound of rifle bothers them, it's usually the bullet hitting ground or whizzing over their head that sets them off and another reason why I don't believe in using a suppressor as they still hear crack of bullet. I can't see a bullet hit the ground from a missed shot with my 17 centerfires, so I don't use them for very long range and keep them under 500 yards. I don't take those shots to prove something to someone else I take them cause i wanted the fur and i could. My farthest fox kill was 767 yards, and it don't mean nothing except it was my best shot and nothing more.
As for elk or bigger animals yeah i just don't see it for long range, they much tougher target to put down and usually they live where you not going to get a second shot if you make a bad hit. But good news we still have wolves around in few places and they will clean them up, that's what they here for.
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posted March 16, 2025 07:16 PM
AS I have observed previously, I began to suspect that the remote Hogans on the Navajo reservation kept a pet red fox for unfathomable reasons. I say that because the only times I saw a red fox was driving around a hogan and flushing a red fox that seemed a bit tame, but shy of strangers. Just a theory.
Good hunting. El Bee
Edit: get off the long range bullshit, please!
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posted March 17, 2025 05:06 PM
ok. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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