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Ken
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posted May 30, 2011 01:20 PM
LOL 49, the Duke is one of my heroes!!! ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted May 30, 2011 04:02 PM
No, I didn't word that exactly like I wanted.
1. He retired early
2. He got a cash bonus, and
3. No charges were filed.
I think his daughter and others got charges either dropped or reduced.
Kind of like the old joke, one knew where the bodies were buried and the others had it on film.
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posted May 30, 2011 04:11 PM
The struggle for me is one of rights versus common sense.
In a traffic stop or other daily interaction with law enforcement I honestly always just be as respectful as possible and try to get on my way. Even if I know my "rights" state I do could otherwise.
I am a veteran, hold a current CCW in Arizona, Washington, Oregon and Utah. I have passed every background check there is I believe and once upon a time held a Top Secret clearance. I am a good law abiding citizen. Now with that said, as some of you know I look like a guy that was just profiled on National Geographic's "Hard Time". I have tattoo's on my neck, hands and well every else. So because of perceived stereo types which I fully understand I do my best to be as polite, cooperative and respectful as possible when dealing with law enforcement. Even though I want to be the guy broken recording "am I being detained? Am I free to go? Am I being detained, am I free to go? No you may not search my vehicle".
I have a clear, concise understanding of my rights and the game that can be played but it is just "easier" to take a pass on my rights and play the officers game. I hate that I just typed that because giving any ground on my rights and defined by the Constitution just bothers me to the core. As a father of four though I guess I have to make that concession so I can go about my business.
Lungbuster, Ken and 4949, what are you individual thoughts on people who stand fast by their rights and dont consent to searches, check points or other questionable SOP daily activities that you partake in? Are they just pains in the asses that you feel the need to make an example of? Or do you respect them taking a stand on their rights?
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posted May 30, 2011 04:53 PM
Kodiak, me personally I understand the concerns and why citizens make the challenge. I am not bothered when some one challenges my authority in MOST circumstances.
I must say it did not happen that often either way. I let people vent their concerns or frustations justified or not.
I was rolling video and everything we were saying was on tape. SO when I decided to say enough is enough, I was comfortable that no matter what the outcome was, I would win.
Myself early on I learned not to get excited about the small stuff. It was the small stuff the cops get anal about, that leads to many of the confrontations that make the papers.
Myself knowing there are asshole cops out there, I will kill them with kindness and give them all the rope they need to hang themselves.
I will obey the commands, and BITCH later. JUST safer that way.
But in the last 25 years, I've only been stopped once in my car, got a ticket for tinted windows violation. Stopped twice by Arizona Fish&Game, cited once. No plug in my shotgun. MY BAD, cleaned my shotgun the night before, got sidetracked, forgot to put the plug back in.
So 3 contacts in 25 years I am not going to give much thought to a lot of what has been said in here even though I have said more than my share of commentary. REAL world for me.
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posted May 30, 2011 05:38 PM
As far as consents go, now that I am older(and supposedly wiser) I realize some people are just standing up for their rights. When you have been doing this long enough, as Ken, Del, and Lungbuster will attest to, you can tell the difference between the people who are standing up for the rights from the people who are trying to hide something.
Consent denials do piss off our younger guys though, because then they have to go through the long ordeal of getting a search warrant. It's a long story here.
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Consent denials do piss off our younger guys
I suppose the reason might be due to their perceived. "entitlement"?
Screw that Bill of Rights, they want to look just for the hell of it....might find something.
It was a long time ago, but I'm still pissed at that asshole that said: "mind if I have a look back here" as he was opening the camper door, and as his partner distracted me.
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 30, 2011 07:07 PM
I've been a little busy lately so excuse my absence. I would like to give you LEOs how this looks like to an Arizona citizen. First, Dipshit, I mean Dipnik, has no reputation with anyone from the moderates to the far right wing of the political spectrum. He lost all credibility the way he tried to spin the Giffords shooting being the fault of hate speech from Limbaugh, Beck, etc. Most citizens already don't trust the guy so the Marine gets 1 point just because Dipshit is an untrustworthy spin doctor. The PCSD uses a swat team for a search warrant. Marine gets another point. Sheriff's office initially says the Marine fired a shot at the Officers, but in fact the safety was still on. The Marine gets 1 point for the Sheriff's office lying about the shot being fired and the Marine gets another point for his safety being on. The Sheriff's office shuts down public access to the warants. Marine gets another point because it looks like a cover up by the PCSD. I'm not anti cop,but in this case the skeptical press and critical public opinion is well warranted. No evidence seized: marine one more point. Lets see: Marine six pts, sheriff dipshit zero. To me just looking at the known facts gives me the chill.
I also look at this as if what if this happened to me. I have no reason to believe the cops will be banging down my door because I'm not doing anything wrong. Therefore, anyone comes charging into my home is most likely a home invasion crew. That is the first thing that will pop into my head. But hey I'm not perfect. I have a few more guns and bullets than I can possibly carry. Therefore I just gave Sherrif Joe a spin angle. How many of you guys think they wouldn't do it to you? Say you only have bolt guns. Well they'll spin that into "this nut case had sniper rifles." Say you like to take your grandson shooting his 22 so you have a few bricks. They'll say you have several thousand rounds of ammo. They will also say you were ready for them even if the guns are in a safe and the ammo is in a different locked cabinet. I've seen on tv where they show the press all of the guns and ammo someone had. IMHO I thought the guys stash was a little low in most cases. Remember Randy Weaver? His collection was no bigger than most of our own collections. If you ever down loaded porn or visited adult sites you are a pervert even if it was done by your 14 year old without your knowledge. If you are a reloader you had explosives. They might even call the bomb disposal squad to dispose of you 3,000 primers and 30 pounds of gun powder. That really sells the story with a man dress up like gumbo carrying out the goods. In the final analysis, this Marine looks pretty clean at this point.
I would like to add that it is nice to see a couple of other members that don't like Sherrif Joe. I've been taken to task several times over my opinions of Joe on this board. I stopped voting for the guy two elections ago.
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posted May 30, 2011 08:39 PM
Thanks Ken, was hoping you had a dumb uniform I could make fun of. But it kinda looks like mine...
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posted May 30, 2011 10:16 PM
Thanks for answering that question, now on a more serious note, after searching a subject what do you feel inside when you find this?
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posted May 30, 2011 11:10 PM
LMAO Lungbuster WTF is a DUMB uniform?? I thought ugly was the word or phrase?
Nope green and tan. Pretty much standard up and down the state. Myself blue is cool!!!!
AzNative interesting analogy. I agree Dupnik made himself public spectacle when he made national news. I am sure if he had any REAL points he lost them after that.
Your score for the Marine, I think you might have cheated him out of a couple points just because he is a Marine.
RIGHT now as far as public support, I think our War Veterans are going to get more points than the local cops just because.
It will be interesting to see if his brother Marines circle the wagons too defend a fallen brother in arms.
But no one here has said this thing won't be ugly.
As to Sheriff Joe, well I liked him, but I also did not follow him in the local papers.
His problems are not going away anytime soon. A smart Sheriff who thought the Board of Supervisor's and a Judge was a crook, would have had the State Attorney general do the investigation, NOT his office.
This issue with the former District Attorney and two Deputy DA's who got fired and are awaiting a disciplinary hearing before the State bar are all part of the Sheriff's antics.
His own people within the command structure are talking. It does not look good.
But I hear from some, that no matter what Sheriff Joe does, he is a HERO too many who love him no matter what.
Wish I had that type of love.
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posted May 31, 2011 07:33 AM
Ken: to me Dupnik is nothing more than a much more liberal and more stupid version of Sheriff Joe. They are both camera whores that cannot be trusted. I turned off to Joe when his lawsuits started costing up millions. The first big issue was when a choke hold killed an inmate and his reply was simply "I'll just increase the copay for medical care". The second big issue was when the family of female just detained went to the jail house and pleaded for the guards to give the woman her meds. She died a short while later because they refused. Not one word was mentioned by Joe about better training to prevent these wrongfull death lawsuits. I have heard from someone who has high connections that they believe Joe will be indicted if he ever loses his job. The new person on the job will see what he has been up to and it will be all over with for Joe. This person said this to me that last time there were rumors of Joe running for Govenor. He simply said Joe will never run because of the above reason. Joe sure did have a very loyal number two man. It looks like most of the dirty tricks were pulled by him. Joe's most loyal voter base is the various Sun Cities. He provides them with good police protection so they save on city property taxes and they all vote for joe. I must confess that I don't keep up with local news because I watch Fox National news 95 percent of the time.
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posted May 31, 2011 11:22 AM
AzNative interesting on your paying attention to the lawsuit payouts. No doubt Sheriff Joe loves the camera's. Even his supporters admit that.
Folks focus most of the time on the criminal aspects of police misconduct. If no charges are filed or someone is cleared of CRIMINAL misconduct, most folks forget about the issue.
FEW pay attention to the taxpayer money going out the back door for the civil misdeeds of public servants. That would involve everyone in government, not just the cops. But cops get a big chunk of the blame.
When a jury awards big bucks to folks who have been wronged, there is a message to be seen.
But I can tell you public servants and politicians generally say, "who cares, it's not my money".
I think it's safe to say if big counties and cities didn't have that attitude their individual budgets would not be hurting quite as bad.
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posted May 31, 2011 01:49 PM
In this area most counties and cities are insured by a large state level group, assoc. of wash. cities. AWC.
Once a lawsuit is filed the city/county has no say in the out come, it is negotiated or goes to court at AWC's whim. They almost always settle rather than risk trial even if it is an easy case.
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posted June 01, 2011 08:34 AM
As many of you know, I work on cars so I don't really care about fancy work clothes with my job being so tough on clothes. This morning I grabbed a shirt from the cabinet were my wife puts my work clothes, and the shirt was a new to me Phoenix PD shirt sans badging that she purchased from the goodwill. Now that would be evidence that could be used to paint me as a turd with the local media if I was in the same position as this Marine. Everyone of us should look around and look at all the stuff the police could use to paint us turd brown if they wanted to. We all score one point just being a member of this radical forum.
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posted June 01, 2011 10:56 AM
I finally found some time to read the whole thread before replying, and here are my questions to the Leo's here and my opinion. First the questions:
1) Why wasn't surveillance of the premises done to determine who was occupying the house?
2) If surveillance was completed, why wouldn't the area be secured and a knock on the door be done by a single member of the SWAT team, asking for cooperation?
3) How tall is the guy standing next to the GMC in 49's pictures? He must be 4'-10" and the gear he is carrying weighs more than he does.
My opinion is that this is a total failure by the entire department from the top down, no matter what evidence comes out from this point forward. I don't care if that guy is a mass murderer, his wife and kids are not. They are innocent civilians and nothing was done to keep them out of the line of fire. Someone ordered a SWAT team to execute a search warrant, this is ridiculous. The SWAT leader is culpable because he is responsible for the tactical meeting and planning of the mission (not sure if this is correct terminology). The SWAT members are culpable because no one asked the proper questions prior to this mission being carried out. If they thought this man was dangerous than they should not announce their presence, enter from multiple points of entry and secure the house. If they thought it was a possible hostage situation they should have secured the area, announced their presence, and negotiate for a peaceful resolution. The procedure stinks, the planning stinks, and the execution of the plan stinks. The question of whether or not the guy had a gun and pointed it at the officers is secondary to me, because it should not have gotten to that point.
Everyone should lawyer up on the LE side, and should not comment on an ongoing investigation. They should not release any information about the suspect because that is a violation of his privacy and would open the door to a lawsuit. I don't fault the department at all for doing this, and don't believe it is a cover-up until all evidence is released.
It angers and scares me that this could be considered even remotely justifiable. If it takes busting everyone of these folks involved down to a janitorial job with the department, and a trial for civil violations I am all for it.
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posted June 01, 2011 01:38 PM
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I finally found some time to read the whole thread before replying, and here are my questions to the Leo's here and my opinion. First the questions:
1) Why wasn't surveillance of the premises done to determine who was occupying the house?
2) If surveillance was completed, why wouldn't the area be secured and a knock on the door be done by a single member of the SWAT team, asking for cooperation?
3) How tall is the guy standing next to the GMC in 49's pictures? He must be 4'-10" and the gear he is carrying weighs more than he does
Tlb,
Not to keep this trainwreck of a thread going...
1.) My LEO buddies from Arizona tell me surveillance was done on the residence prior to the search warrant being executed. The wife at that time was supposed to have been gone, on her way to school with one of the little ones. For some reason, she got held up at home. Now, bear in mind this is what is told to me from my friends out there. I have no basis to back it up as fact, so we'll just have to take it with a grain of salt.
2.) Good question and I cannot answer it. The way those SWAT guys were milling around before the door got busted in makes me think they weren't expecting much of anything. As I stated over on GT they were all standing in front of the door, and if the decedent were hell bent on killing cops he could have easily taken out 2 to 5 of them. This is one reason why I don't think he realized they were LE at his door, and when he finally realized it, he held his fire.
3.) The guy by the GMC is Evan, and he is on the short side although I don't know his actual height. In the squad pic, he is standing to the right of the middle guy, Gulio, as you look at the pic. One thing I noticed about that picture which is a little deceiving, is the guys standing to the front look bigger in relation to the guys at the rear. The guy in the back, standing to the left of Evan as you look at the picture, is a 250 pound former college defensive end. The disproportion in the size of the two is great, but you really can't tell very much due to the deceiving picture.
The guy over Evan's right shoulder as you look at the picture could be CrossJ's twin. Lol.
EDIT: Evan eventually was transferred out to the Turnpike, where he was involved in a shooting. He was injured, and was out of work for about a year. He is back now and is doing well.
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posted June 01, 2011 05:02 PM
Thanks 49 for the insight on the surveilance and my other question.
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posted June 03, 2011 07:06 PM
The search warrant is very well written. The detective layed out in detail not once but several times how each player was involved in this case.
The detective clearly showed these players did not work real jobs, but the property they were attached to or driving was probably purchased with drug money by someone at sometime.
The information on the Marine was MORE than sufficient to justifie issuing a search warrant for his house. His arrests from several years previous and LE's contacts with him during the car stops,surveilance, CLEARLY suggest he is a player in the game of moving dope.
Clear and reasonable facts to show a criminal enterprise in the works and those named might be involved.
The cops had an informant, but the cops went out on their own to confirm the facts contained in this search warrant. MORE than enough background data to support their beliefs.
It clearly appears many man hours went into getting enough information to establish a search warrant. A PAINSTAKING task for those who know.
As I said the true answers lay within the search warrant, NOT one issue to suspect ANY misconduct on the part of the detective.
EVERY reason for a judge to believe criminal activity was taking place and a search warrant may find additional evidence of a crime.
EVERY i was doted and t crossed in writing this search warrant as I know them to be written.
THERE will be no criminal issues leveled against these cops by anyone.
No doubt a civil suit may be filed, but that is another issue.
Since these are official documents, I must say the detective more than did his job in obtaining these warrants.
This detective had NO CONTROL on the unfortunate situation that unfolded at the Marine's house.
At this time it CLEARLY appears the Marine was wearing TWO hats. One of a United States Marine who served our country honorable during wartime.
The other hat that only couple might know was the one of a player of a mid-level drug ring.
In order to possibly catch these folks with dope ALL the locations and people involved WOULD have needed to be kept under surveilance 24/7.
I doubt the Sheriff's department had the manpower to accomplish that mission based on what I read in the search warrant.
Kudos to the detective for a job well done for his part.
When the detective refers to these people as mid-level players, the total circumstances suggest these folks are moving the dope to another drop off point versus selling it out of their house.
In order to catch a load of dope at ones house, TIMING is the key and the cat and mouse game can go on for months.
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posted June 03, 2011 10:27 PM
This is just a hypothetical but...
Say the Marine was part of a drug smuggling operation.
This story about his safety would make allot more sense.
There have been many soldiers since the Vietnam War busted for various drug related crimes, this is nothing new to servicemen. So that argument has really been a mute point for me.
Anyways, lets roll with the theory that he was somehow involved in the smuggling. It would make sense to me that his safety was in the off position because of his military training. Many drug smugglers are robbed by other drug dealers and or people that make a living off robbing drug dealers. A very popular method is to get all Surplus stored up and pretend to be police doing a raid. So lets say the wife (who's family members were killed in a home invasion) wakes him up telling him there is someone kicking in the door, he may think at first at least that this is the scenario. So he grabs his rifle and heads to check it out. Once the door flie open and he see's that it is actual police and he never un-safe's his weapon because of that military training AND he, like many law abiding citizens (and more criminals) believes the police wont harm him. And since they found nothing at his house maybe he knew that he was ok to be searched and just never felt the threat to unsafe his firearm and return fire to the officers.
Again that is all hypothetical.
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Even in that little fantasy above I STILL believe that Police acted in haste and "could" have probably talked him down and completed the search without injury to anyone.
And no matter what the reason for any of this incident was the FACT that they denied medical attention to this man for that long is just wrong, whoever made that decision should be fired at minimum. Whoever wrote that SOP should be publicly hung. Again, these are just my opinions and they don't amount to much in the grand scheme of things.
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posted June 04, 2011 04:01 AM
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The search warrant is very well written. The detective layed out in detail not once but several times how each player was involved in this case.
The detective clearly showed these players did not work real jobs, but the property they were attached to or driving was probably purchased with drug money by someone at sometime.
The information on the Marine was MORE than sufficient to justifie issuing a search warrant for his house. His arrests from several years previous and LE's contacts with him during the car stops,surveilance, CLEARLY suggest he is a player in the game of moving dope.
Clear and reasonable facts to show a criminal enterprise in the works and those named might be involved.
The cops had an informant, but the cops went out on their own to confirm the facts contained in this search warrant. MORE than enough background data to support their beliefs.
It clearly appears many man hours went into getting enough information to establish a search warrant. A PAINSTAKING task for those who know.
As I said the true answers lay within the search warrant, NOT one issue to suspect ANY misconduct on the part of the detective.
EVERY reason for a judge to believe criminal activity was taking place and a search warrant may find additional evidence of a crime.
EVERY i was doted and t crossed in writing this search warrant as I know them to be written.
THERE will be no criminal issues leveled against these cops by anyone.
No doubt a civil suit may be filed, but that is another issue.
Since these are official documents, I must say the detective more than did his job in obtaining these warrants.
This detective had NO CONTROL on the unfortunate situation that unfolded at the Marine's house.
At this time it CLEARLY appears the Marine was wearing TWO hats. One of a United States Marine who served our country honorable during wartime.
The other hat that only couple might know was the one of a player of a mid-level drug ring.
In order to possibly catch these folks with dope ALL the locations and people involved WOULD have needed to be kept under surveilance 24/7.
I doubt the Sheriff's department had the manpower to accomplish that mission based on what I read in the search warrant.
Kudos to the detective for a job well done for his part.
When the detective refers to these people as mid-level players, the total circumstances suggest these folks are moving the dope to another drop off point versus selling it out of their house.
In order to catch a load of dope at ones house, TIMING is the key and the cat and mouse game can go on for months.
Ken this is very well said and I concur 100%.
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posted June 04, 2011 04:06 AM
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Anyways, lets roll with the theory that he was somehow involved in the smuggling. It would make sense to me that his safety was in the off position because of his military training. Many drug smugglers are robbed by other drug dealers and or people that make a living off robbing drug dealers. A very popular method is to get all Surplus stored up and pretend to be police doing a raid. So lets say the wife (who's family members were killed in a home invasion) wakes him up telling him there is someone kicking in the door, he may think at first at least that this is the scenario. So he grabs his rifle and heads to check it out. Once the door flie open and he see's that it is actual police and he never un-safe's his weapon because of that military training AND he, like many law abiding citizens (and more criminals) believes the police wont harm him. And since they found nothing at his house maybe he knew that he was ok to be searched and just never felt the threat to unsafe his firearm and return fire to the officers
This has been my theory for a while now. EXCEPT for the part about the rifle being on safe due to the decedent's Marine training. I would attribute that to the state of being woken up after having worked all night. Have you ever been abruptly woken up after having worked all night? It can take MINUTES for you to come to your senses. But it doesn't matter in the end. This is an unfortunate set of circumstances brought on by the decedent's life style.
It's a shame.
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posted June 04, 2011 05:12 AM
Let me see If I got this right!!
A guy has a few nice vehicles a house and no job they are aware of. Most if not all vehicles and property was titled to other family members. He has been arrested for a small bag of weed on a few traffic stops and one of them he had a pistol and a few grand.
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The information on the Marine was MORE than sufficient to justifie issuing a search warrant for his house. His arrests from several years previous and LE's contacts with him during the car stops,surveilance, CLEARLY suggest he is a player in the game of moving dope
Are you freaking kidding me??? I live in small town USA in Alabama and this describes at least 10 people in my immediate neighborhood, 20% of rural residents and 60% of government housing.
There were no drugs, drug money or anything related to such activity found at his residence. The stuff they found at the other residents didn’t add up to more than a local dime bag dealer.
Your above statement and the written warrant shows a large amount of law enforcement is so far removed from the reality of everyday Americans they should not be able allowed to make judgments leading to the arrest of people other than traffic violations. To make such a leap from what is written in that warrant to the guy being a mid level drug trafficker is beyond belief.
I have known too many guys throughout my life that hustled playing cards, pool and trading vehicles, 4 wheelers boats etc. Just because a guy chooses not to work a 9 to 5 job smokes a little weed and cheats on his taxes doesn’t mean he is a drug dealer.
Here is the real kicker that sticks out and shows there freaking INCOMPETENCE!!!!!! They are not aware of him having a job BUT he was awoken after WORKING all night???????
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CCP
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posted June 04, 2011 05:18 AM
From the Warrant
“There is no pattern to suggest that a legitimate work routine exist. No one ever went to a place of business and stayed for any significant amount of time.”
This was in the warrant but "he was awakened after working all night when they raided his house?" They didn't know the wife was going to be home because she "usually has already left for work??"
WTF???? That warrant is so full of holes it aint even funny. Ken you need a freaking reality check praising that well written warrant and all the great surveillance these guys did..
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JD
HONORARY OKIE .... and Tim's at fault!
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posted June 04, 2011 06:28 AM
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This is an unfortunate set of circumstances brought on by the decedent's life style.
You mean ....."brought on by the long arm of the law"
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What do Obama & TA17Rem have in common........both are clueless asshats!!!
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