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RagnCajn
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 01:55 PM      Profile for RagnCajn   Email RagnCajn         Edit/Delete Post 
Anyone bought a new vehicle lately? I don't know about all models, but I can tell you what the '11 F-250 has in it. A black box. It is constantly recording my last 30 seconds of driving habits. In the manual, Ford says they will cooperate with authorities in the event of an accident. This involves them releasing the data that according to my manual will tell them acceleration and braking pressures, wheel angles, and other internal data. This is where it gets scary to me. What is other internal data. Since this model comes with Bluetooth capabilities, anytime I have a phone call my radio shuts off and I can press a button on the steering wheel to answer the call via a mic above my head and the calling party can be heard on my radio speakers.

So lets say I am talking on the phone, some idiot pulls out in front of me and I get pissed. I floor the truck and use the three inch pipe bumper on the front to push him over the bridge railing. All the while screaming obscenities at the idiot for impeding my progress. If that case ends up in court and Ford pulls the data, I'm screwed.

[ May 31, 2011, 01:57 PM: Message edited by: RagnCajn ]

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:05 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
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If there has been an accident, then fine. Determining cause would be a reasonable reason. To download the info during a routine stop is another thing. So yea Tim, I do have a problem with it.

So who has had the L.E. stop them for no reason and looked at there cell phone????? I think Leonard asked a question if they can or cannot..
Maybe its different in other places but to my knowledge I have'nt had it happen or heard of it happening other than areas that have restrictions for use of cell phones.....

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Paul Melching
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:09 PM      Profile for Paul Melching           Edit/Delete Post 
So lets say I am talking on the phone, some idiot pulls out in front of me and I get pissed. I floor the truck and use the three inch pipe bumper on the front to push him over the bridge railing. All the while screaming obscenities at the idiot for impeding my progress. If that case ends up in court and Ford pulls the data, I'm screwed.

Just aint fair is it Randy?

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DanS
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:11 PM      Profile for DanS           Edit/Delete Post 
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In case you would end up missing they can also trace youre last call location and time and get a rough idea of where you where at at the time..
In my brothers case he did'nt make it home one night and my neighbor cop was able to c

The gov't can do much more than that with your cell phone Tim.

If they know your number, they can remotely turn it on and also activate the speaker/mic and listen to your and everyone else's conversation within earshot of your cell phone.

This is not new info, it was leaked a while back. The Gov't was using this tool to "fight crime" and catch "bad guys". That is just one reason cell phones are not allowed in some sensitive area's. If the gov't can hack your phone God only knows who else can.

Roving bug

[ May 31, 2011, 02:19 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:31 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
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The gov't can do much more than that with your cell phone Tim.
Yes Dan you are correct.
The only one who should worry about it is the one breaking any laws...

I've had a cell phone for as long as I can remember and its main purpose is for work or emergency's. At night it stays in the truck since I have a house phone. At work it stays in the truck, I'm being paid to work not visit on the phone.. If I miss a call its not the end of the world, you can record messages on it and it also has a missed call feature where it records the missed call numbers.. Now days everywhere you look someone has a phone hanging from there belt or they just walk around all day with it in the hand.. Crazzy!

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DanS
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:32 PM      Profile for DanS           Edit/Delete Post 
This is a bit off topic, but it's pretty scary too.

School spying on kids

I can imagine what might happen if adult men were watching young school girls in their bedrooms, where they thought they had privacy and were safe. Good grief, imagine the charges if any of this was recorded. Child Porn?

I can only guess that the gov't has this technology too.

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DanS
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:38 PM      Profile for DanS           Edit/Delete Post 
I don't want to sound like the Black helicopter, tinfoil hat, paranoid type but your statement

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Yes Dan you are correct.
The only one who should worry about it is the one breaking any laws...

makes me think of someone saying

If you haven't done anything wrong or have nothing to hide, you don't mind me taking a look in the back of your truck, searching your car, house, fill in the blank

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 02:57 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
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If you haven't done anything wrong or have nothing to hide, you don't mind me taking a look in the back of your truck, searching your car, house, fill in the blank
I got pulled over in Pierre S.D. one time by two cops. I sat in the car with one of them while he asked a few questions with which I replied Yes! No! and none of youre business. The second cop walked up to my truck and just looked in the windows but did not stick his head inside. After that he turned and walked to the back of the pick-up and then looked over the tail-gate to see what I had laying in the bed of the truck. All of a sudden he jumps back and reaching for his pistol at the same time and then he stops and looks again and then looks back at me sitting in the police car.. He walks back to the car a little shaky and asks me what the hell is that laying in the back of the truck... I laughed so hard I had tears comeing from my eyes, I told him it was just a big old porky-pine..LMAO.....

Back when I was in the service the gate guards would look in my car everytime I came on base, no big deal....

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tlbradford
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 03:57 PM      Profile for tlbradford   Email tlbradford         Edit/Delete Post 
Geez guys, 4949 already answered the question...they need a warrant. Any good lawyer would get any violation thrown out of court if a cop claimed they saw a visible text message and searched your car w/o permission.

You can be friendly if pulled over, but your answers to anything regarding permission to search are, "no, no, no," and "do you have a warrant?."

It is really difficult for an officer to prove probable cause for a search of your vehicle. Even the ol' "thought I smelled marijuana," and "thought I smelled alcohol," is not going to fly in a court of law most of the time.

[ May 31, 2011, 03:58 PM: Message edited by: tlbradford ]

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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 04:09 PM      Profile for DEL GUE   Email DEL GUE         Edit/Delete Post 
I would think if the cops have the machine to 'download' your phone present with them at a 'routine' stop, then the stop probably isn't 'routine' to start with.

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Lungbuster
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 04:21 PM      Profile for Lungbuster           Edit/Delete Post 
I've never heard of this.

My only experience is texting while driving which just became illegal in Idaho less than a year ago.
Texting while driving is hard to prove though, if I get someone doing it, I usually ask a series of questions that leads up to them admitting they were doing it.
If they deny doing it I usually let them off with a warning.

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 04:24 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
here is some info for my state.

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The MinnesotaText Messaging Ban

On August 1st, 2008 text-messaging, emailing or accessing the Web on a wireless device while driving in Minnesota (including while stopped in traffic) became illegal. The violation can cost up to $300 and applies to drivers of all ages. This is a primary offense law, which means you can be pulled over if your are observed violating the new law.

According to the news release (posted below) The law does not apply to devices that are permanently affixed to the vehicle or global positioning systems or navigation systems. Please see the memo below.


Texting, Emailing, Web Access Behind The Wheel Illegal

Motorists Can Be Pulled Over Directly for the Violation

ST. PAUL — Text-messaging, emailing or accessing the Web on a wireless device while driving — including while stopped in traffic — is illegal on Minnesota roads effective August 1. The violation can cost up to $300 and applies to drivers of all ages. As a primary offense, law enforcement can stop a motorist if they observe a violation of the new law.

Specifically, the law states that no person may operate a motor vehicle while using a wireless communications device to compose, read, or send an electronic message, when the vehicle is in motion or a part of traffic. The law does not apply to devices that are permanently affixed to the vehicle or global positioning systems or navigation systems.

According to the Department of Public Safety (DPS), crashes in which distraction or inattention was a factor — including text-messaging or cell phone use — are vastly underreported. The state reports distraction was a factor in at least 15 percent of all fatal crashes during 2005–2007, resulting in 240 traffic deaths. Another 1,163 motorists suffered serious, life-altering injuries as a result of distracted driving crashes during this period. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration says distraction is a factor in about 25 percent of all crashes.

“When you are composing or reading a text message, your focus is not on the road, and your hands definitely aren’t on the wheel,” says Cheri Marti, director of DPS Office of Traffic Safety. “Driving is a multitasking activity in itself that requires complete attention.”

Marti says while the law is a good first step in eliminating the texting distraction, Minnesota motorists need to make a “serious effort” to remain focused on driving.

“Before you drive, put your phone out of reach so you avoid the urge to go for it,” says Marti. “If you have passengers, use them as the designated texters and have them handle your calls and texts.”

Cell phone use for teen drivers with a provisional license is completely prohibited by a law in effect since 2006. In an informal DPS Minnesota teen driving survey, teen respondents said texting was their biggest distraction while driving. Texting was also cited as the “most unsafe” behavior their friends engaged in while driving.

"NEWS RELEASE
Christine M. Krueger, Director of Communications

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
July 31, 2008
CONTACT:
Nathan Bowie, 651-201-7571

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Minnesota Cell Phone Laws

Minnesota does have a cell-phone law for drivers under the age of 18. This driving law was signed by the Governor of Minnesota in 2005 and went into effect on January 1st, 2006.

The cell-phone law prohibits drivers that are permit and provisional license holders from using a cellular or wireless telephone while the vehicle is in motion. The law specifically states that a hands free device cannot be used and that there are exceptions for emergency situations.

Another new bill that is currently active in the Minnesota legislative process is HF 41. If the bill gains momentum, it would prohibit the use of cell-phones while operating a motor vehicle.

If the bill does pass it would be enforced as a secondary offense which means the driver would have to initially be pulled over for a primary offense such as speeding or running a red light. This bill is being carried over to the 2008 legislative session and has not been enacted.

More Information Minnesota's Hands-Free Driving Law

Here is the State of Minnesota's government website that information regarding the cell-phone driving law.

State Website- Information on Minnesota's Cell-Phone Driving Law

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Texting & Driving - Can the Police Search Your Cell Phone at the Traffic Stop?

Posted 12 months ago. Applies to Georgia, 1 helpful vote, Comments (0)

Written by: Jennifer Nichole Johnson

Attorney licensed in Georgia



On July 1, texting while driving will be illegal for all Georgia drivers, and young drivers with provisional licenses will be banned from any cell phone use behind the wheel. A conviction can cost the driver $150 and 1 point on their driver’s history.



But, what exactly does it all mean? The law, known officially as the "Caleb Sorohan Act for Saving Lives by Preventing Texting While Driving", states that a driver may not use using a wireless telecommunications device to write, send, or read any text based communication, including but not limited to a text message, instant message, e-mail, or Internet data, except in the case of an emergency. The ban does not include CB radios, commercial two-way radio communication devices (push to talk); subscription based emergency communications (On Star), in-vehicle security, navigation devices (GPS, including Google maps on iPhones), and remote diagnostics systems, or amateur or ham radio devices. The bottom line is that you can talk all you want or use your GPS without violating the new law.



The interesting question is how the police intend to enforce the law. If someone is stopped for texting while driving, can the police conduct a warrantless search of the cell phone? The Courts have found that a person has a reasonable expectation of privacy over their cell phone. United States v. Finley, 477 F.3d 250, 259-260 (5th Cir. 2007). Additionally, it has been found that cell phones are more than just calling devices, containing private information, such as text messages and address books and that going through a cell phone at a traffic stop was like “general rummaging in order to discover incriminating evidence.” United States v. Zavala, 541 F.3d 562, 577 (5th Cir. 2008). However, if the Officer arrests the driver, the Courts have held that a warrantless search of a cell phone was proper after the arrest of a suspect, thus there was no Fourth Amendment violation in retrieving the call records and text messages from the suspect’s cell phone. Finley, 260.



Whether a police officer making a traffic stop can demand an individual’s phone in an attempt to verify if someone was text messaging, checking their email or surfing the web and if that search would violate the Fourth Amendment will ultimately be left up to a court of law.

It is JNJLAW’s opinion that such a search would violate the Fourth Amendment because of the personal information contained in most “wireless communication devices”. However, as an extra level of protection, JNJLAW recommends using the passcode feature available on many phones since a warrant would then be required to access the information.

Also from doing a little searching I found out that they can search youre cell phone in Cali., its legal at the moument..
After doing a little looking around I found that most of the police that are checking into cells phones are of those that belong to a person or persons that have commited a crime and arrested for it.

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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 04:48 PM      Profile for DEL GUE   Email DEL GUE         Edit/Delete Post 
Guys, I think you think this is a lot more prevalent than it is. This 'downloading' of phones..that would mostly be of interest to drug or gang officers, or possibly detectives working some particular case. If you think these 'download' machines are laying on the front seat of every patrol car, you are sadly mistaken. There is not a single road patrol deputy in my agency who has one of these things in his car. I am not aware of any traffic units having them, either. The detectives or drug guys could probably get one if they needed one, but to think they run around doing traffic stops downloading phones all the time is fantasy.

And I really hate to ruffle your ego's, but honestly, cops couldn't care less who or what is on your phones. Do you guys really think I lay awake at night wondering who is in your phone lists? On the contrary, if some of you guys handed me your phones and invited me to go through your phone lists, I'd decline, whether on or off duty. I really don't care. I don't even want to see who is in my relative's or friend's phones, let alone some goofball I stop because he rolled a stop sign.

Tell ya what. Let's do an experiment. The next one of y'all that gets stopped for something, offer the cop your phone and ask him if he wants to look through your phone list and then come back and tell us what the answer was. He's prolly gonna look at you like you're a Martian for even asking him something like that.

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Leonard
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 05:04 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
Being on the cell phone is not proof of any distraction. Ever hear of bluetooth?

gh/lb

edit: Del, we didn't dream up the downloading issue. It was in the news. If it's bogus, okay, but the comments are a reaction to the infringement of privacy, true or false.

[ May 31, 2011, 05:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

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TA17Rem
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 05:11 PM      Profile for TA17Rem   Email TA17Rem         Edit/Delete Post 
Perhaps but I think these people will disagree.
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The state reports distraction was a factor in at least 15 percent of all fatal crashes during 2005–2007, resulting in 240 traffic deaths. Another 1,163 motorists suffered serious, life-altering injuries as a result of distracted driving crashes during this period


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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 05:13 PM      Profile for 4949shooter   Email 4949shooter         Edit/Delete Post 
My bet is that any law enacted that allows police to check cell phones without probable cause or a warrant will be appealed in a higher court, and thus found unconstitutional.
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Lungbuster
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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 05:14 PM      Profile for Lungbuster           Edit/Delete Post 
Leonard,
It's the steering with a driver's knees while texting/looking at the phone in their laps that is the distraction.

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TA17Rem
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Del. I read somewhere those machines go for over 3 grand ...

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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 05:41 PM      Profile for DEL GUE   Email DEL GUE         Edit/Delete Post 
Leonard,
I didn't say that it had never happened. I suggested that it wasn't prevalent. I also think there is a distinction to be made between downloading being done during traffic stops versus downloading being done on arrestee's phones. And another distinction, as well, between merely looking at a phone and using a machine to download information from it.

As for it being an infringement of privacy, I would suggest it's only an infringement of privacy if the courts say it is. And, like 49, my guess is that it will ultimately be ruled unconstitutional unless done with a search warrant.

And Tim relevantly points out that these downloading units are not cheap. Agency budgets in the current economic clime don't allow much room for discretionary toys for street cops who do not need them.

If everybody wants to get enraged over something, then get uptight about all the guilty people who are found innocent every day in our flawed legal system, and even more importantly, all the innocent people who go to prison, because that happens all day every day all over this country.

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If everybody wants to get enraged over something, then get uptight about all the guilty people who are found innocent every day in our flawed legal system, and even more importantly, all the innocent people who go to prison, because that happens all day every day all over this country.

I agree with ya 100% there.

Then you have the leave certain groups alone. Using Illegal aliens as an example. I hear there are close to 20 million illegals in this country. Most of the LEO I know here, say that they know where many of the illegals are, but are told to leave them alone.

When some are arrested, ICE is always too busy or undermanned to pick them up, etc...

And yes I know the liberal courts are saying that is the Fed's job. But that is another issue. Enforcing the laws already on the books.

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As far as illegals go, locals don't have any means to get rid of them because ICE won't come get them, so why spend the man hours bugging them. The local SO is uptown in a little mexican restaurante every noon because they make the best damned mexican food around. They ought to, hardly anyone hablas ingles becauee it's a known stop over for routing illegals from where they were to where they'll be two weeks from now.

Consent is your best defense IMO. If they ask, say no. You'd be surprised at how many people just open the flood gates when asked. Big bro and I topped this hill late one night and met two cars coming toward us. The radar locked at 82 (in a 55). We took off after them and BB says, "Only problem is, which one was doing 82? The back one was either the one that got passed which means the front one was speeding, or it was getting ready to pass which meant they were speeding." We pulled them over and he says, as we approach, "Watch how I handle this..." It was a young lady, maybe 17. She looks all nervous as hell and when she rolls her window down, BB shines his Maglite in her eyes and says, with his best "command voice", "Young lady, do you have any idea how fast I clocked you going?!?". She sheepishly says, "83?".

Busted. LOL

He always asked "Any drugs or weapons in the vehicle?" Surpising how many ppl just handed stuff over.

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Icon 1 posted May 31, 2011 08:01 PM      Profile for Leonard   Author's Homepage   Email Leonard         Edit/Delete Post 
There just HAS to be some way of dealing with illegal aliens. It appears everybody is powerless to do anything about it, or from experience, they know nothing will be done, if they report it.

I had a truck driver buddy who was delivering to Yuma, a long lonely drive across the desert, late at night, on a week day. He and a pickup were stopped in the middle of nowhere.

He said he was doing 5/8 miles over the speed limit, but the pickup was going a lot faster. The CHP approached the pickup, talked to the driver very briefly, sent him on his way and came back and wrote a speeding ticket for the professional driver.

When it came time to sign on the dotted line, he asked about the other guy and why he didn't give him a ticket?

The cop said, he was a Mexican, he will never appear in court anyway so it's not worth his time to write it up.

Ya know, somebody is getting shafted and I'm pretty sure it's Joe Average Citizen. Why do Mexicans fearlessly protest and raise hell, break stuff, riot, etc. and the police stand around like they are blind and deaf?

Yet, your average citizen complains about some chickenshit deal and he gets wrassled to the ground and cuffed and stuffed?

Good hunting. LB

[ May 31, 2011, 08:01 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]

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I propose we have sheriff dipshit use his swat team to serve some warrants on them?
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