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JeremyKS
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posted March 07, 2007 11:14 AM
How many of you guys regulary buy the new coyote hunting DVDs? What are some of the best ones you have seen? What about the ELK videos, I have not seen any of them are they pretty good? What do you think makes a good DVD?
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Q-Wagoner
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posted March 07, 2007 03:37 PM
Sounds like you are thinking about doing one. Am I right?
Good hunting.
Q,
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JeremyKS
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posted March 07, 2007 04:04 PM
Well I guess the post has double meaning. I am curious about the ELK videos, especially the Coyote tactics video. Is it worth buying, I’ve never watched an ELK video.
The other part is that we have considered doing one but it seems like everybody is doing one. Seems that the market is flooded with them right now and it really takes something special to make it work. I’m just a young guy not sure if I have much to add to the video market.
Rick H when are you going to put your new DVD on the market? I’m pretty excited about seeing it I think it will be very interesting.
[ March 07, 2007, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: JeremyKS ]
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TA17Rem
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posted March 07, 2007 04:24 PM
I have most of the E.L.K. vidio's except the one that they use dogs in.
There first vidio was done in S.D. where i hunt, and the year they did the vidio i just so happen to be there hunting and was able to meet Don and Merve. Nice bunch of guys and i think Merve is very knowledgable when it come to calling coyotes. Anyway i enjoyed the vidios.....
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Lonny
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posted March 07, 2007 04:33 PM
Hey Jeremy.
It's been awhile since I bought a new predator DVD. When they first started hitting the market I bought quite a few. They are starting to get pretty repetitive and thats understandable with so many on the market. It's almost like whitetail deer hunting from a treestand or turkey hunting.
Yeah, I liked the ELK videos. I don't own or have seen all of them, but the ones I have seen I liked. The ELK vid's had better camera work than some of the others available
What makes a good video? A steady focused camera and a coyote thats not hidden in the brush. Watching coyotes come from long distances and killed with nice shooting when the best opportunity arrives. Plenty of views of the countryside that is being hunted so a guy can see the lay of the land and how it is being called. I would sooner watch a video with 20 well killed coyotes than 50 killed with shots in the brush that are shakey out of focus and the colors are washed out.
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Rich
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posted March 07, 2007 04:46 PM
JeremyKS,
The ELK video called "dogging coyotes" was my favorite, but I need to explain why I thought so. If you have some experience in calling, but want to learn more about calling with howlers, there is good information in that video. You do have to know what you are looking for. In that video, you can hear the sounds that are used to call the coyotes. You can also hear the sounds the coyotes make when they challenge the dogs. That part is very educational, but only for those who know what to watch and listen for. Most calling video's show a lot of killing, but not much about where to set up and why. We need a video that explains the need for hunting good coyote country, how to pick good calling stand and etc.
I know one thing for sure. When your new video comes out, I will buy one.
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posted March 07, 2007 06:22 PM
ELK has one without dogs??? I must be behind.
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Rich
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posted March 07, 2007 07:17 PM
coyotehombre,
Me niether. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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posted March 07, 2007 07:57 PM
I like all of the ELK videos and will second the fact that Merv is a great guy and knowledgeable. Power howling, Bustin coyotes and the doggin coyotes are all great videos
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Wiley E
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posted March 07, 2007 09:03 PM
Jeremy,
That's a tough one. Each person is looking for something different. Randy Anderson's videos are entertaining but a lot of missed shots. ELK videos are somewhat education but more on the lines of watching decoy dogs work. If you use decoy dogs like I do, it's nothing new. I enjoyed Les Johnson's video because it's like the country I call in and it's interesting to see how he handles coyotes compared to the way I handle them. I also enjoyed the Coyote Gods video because it's country that I'm not used to and they have some good logic for why they hunt the way they do.
I think there is a real need for video out there that shows stand selection, proper strategies of handling coyotes, locating coyotes, the importance of sunlight, calling on windy days, long range shooting techniques, shooting stability, reading coyote body language, camoflauge from a coyote's perspective, sounds from a coyote's perspective, strategies for heavy cover, and the list goes on and on. There's not a lot of good instructional videos out there.
Due to the plagerism that runs so rampant in this industry, it will probably remain that way.
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TOM64
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posted March 07, 2007 09:04 PM
"A day in the life of a contest hunter" Okay maybe 2 days, I'd like to see how you scout as well as how you kill the numbers ya'll do in such a short time.
I bought a couple of call and kill videos and frankly, got bored to death of seeing what I already do often enough.
Something educational peeks my interest more than watching some guy who's already setup turn on an e-caller and shoot a coyote. Mr. Higgins video as well as Jay's are what I like to see.
Young guy or not, ya'll have to have alot to teach, question is do you really want to sell your secrets?
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TA17Rem
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posted March 07, 2007 10:26 PM
I agree with what Scott said, what i would also like to see is a Vidio with callers from all over the U.S. At least two different callers from same area, but don't call together on a day to day bases, so i could get the oppinions of more than one caller from same area. How they set up, why, different sounds they use that work the best in there area and techneques used.. Kinda like a grand slam of pred. callers on one vidio. Also a vidio of all the different ways of hunting or calling coyotes weither it be by calling, running with dogs, hunt and stalk and so on.... Am i asking for too much?
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Leonard
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posted March 07, 2007 11:00 PM
Yeah, probably? WTF? You already are getting good advice for nothing. What's their incentive? Glory? Gratitude? There's not a whole lot of money hawking videos, versus the time and effort. And, then you probably would borrow the video from a friend. I'd say you are asking too much.
Good hunting. LB
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posted March 08, 2007 05:47 AM
I would like to see a video made of someone handling complaints. A video that goes from looking over the livestock that was damaged down to hunting the specific coyote/coyotes doing the killing covering setting the traps/snares/M-44's for them and the calling or dogging done on them. Something completely different but very educational on coyote behavior and coyote hunting at the same time.
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Rich
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posted March 08, 2007 06:10 AM
"Kinda like a grand slam of pred. callers on one vidio. Also a vidio of all the different ways of hunting or calling coyotes weither it be by calling, running with dogs, hunt and stalk and so on.... Am i asking for too much?"
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Calling is a science. Completely fooling a coyote in it's own living room. The ultimate challenge for a real sportsman. Running them with dogs or pickup trucks is something that any knot head can do. Now denning dogs, or "decoy" dogs is quite different than running coyotes with greyhounds. Using decoy dogs fits right in with the science of calling. Running coyotes to death may be fun, and it is effective but it sure ain't in same class as calling. Not even in same ball park.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 08, 2007 06:39 AM
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Calling is a science. Completely fooling a coyote in it's own living room. The ultimate challenge for a real sportsman
Yes thats true and if you have callable coyotes it makes it that much easeier to harvest them vs. any other method. I wish it was that easey here.
Once again some peoples views are one sided or they don't fully understand. And that is why i think there should be a vidio that covers the other tatics used for harvesting coyotes...
Calling is like trying to call youre dog to come Vs. haveing to go out and retrieve him on foot and walk him back to the yard.
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posted March 08, 2007 06:41 AM
Drury outdoors made a video called Predator Madness that does cover most of the aspect of coyote "killing" trapping, hounds, calling, helicopter ect ect
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Rich
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posted March 08, 2007 07:24 AM
TA17Rem,
I know exactly where you are coming from when you speak of "callable" coyotes. I have access to quite a lot of Iowa farm ground that is nearly impossible to call coyotes in with any consistant success. That is the reason I have gone outside the box, and have a high dollar decoy on order as I type this. I am taking some ribbing about the coyote mount that I plan to test. This ribbing is one of the prices a man must pay when he steps outside the box and tells people about it. If my idea works, I may later be sorry about making the idea public. If it don't work, it is no big deal. I need a coyote to guard my city property here anyhoo. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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tawnoper
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posted March 08, 2007 09:22 AM
Personally, I feel the market has been saturated with videos that for the most part are the same thing (at least the ones I've seen). Something I really don't care for on some of the video's I've seen would be the rock n roll music background. Really, I'd rather not have any background music. I'd rather hear the calling, birds, highway traffic...whatever. I think some of the music makes it cheesy, at least during the stand scenes. I'm sure some people like it but I don't.
I really enjoyed Predator Quest (Les Johnson), it kept me interested with calling and some good shooting, they also hunt a lot like I always have so that might be another reason I like it. Personally I like video's that show the lay of the land a bit and the hunters are hand calling. I'm kinda of burnt on just watching one animal after another get shot. Just my opinion.
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TA17Rem
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posted March 08, 2007 10:40 AM
Rich you should have good luck with the decoy i would think. The hardest part would be to get the coyote to come in close enough to see it, unless you can put it on top of a hill behind you. Anyway good luck with the new project.....
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posted March 08, 2007 01:05 PM
nd coyote killer,
Have you seen that video Drury bros. did? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Ask Higgins what he thought about it ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
edit: I like them all, bang flop and educational.
As long as the guy's doing it know what the hell they are talking about and doing.
I really liked Jay's behavioral video and Rich's up close and personal video(except for the damn snake) I have never seen any of ELK's, but Have seen Cal's, man that doggin looks like fun and I can't wait till next Febuary to try it on some eastern coyotes.
JD
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Rich
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posted March 08, 2007 01:27 PM
TA17Rem,
I would never place a decoy behind me where I can't see it, for same reason that I would never place an electronic caller behind me. The decoy can't shoot, and neither can the E caller. In my opinion, a decoy and/or electronic caller need to be crosswind of me. The idea is to watch the coyote come in downwind of the decoy or E caller so I can shoot said coyote. Back to the decoy now--Iowa's farm country coyotes hate to cross open ground in daytime when coming to a call. They love to come up a line of cover along a ditch, where they can stand back there and look for the rabbit they hear screaming (or in my case, they hear a strange coyote). Remember that the coyote can see the location of the screams, but you probably can't see the coyote. The coyote is gonna be 100 yards or more over there across a bunch of corn or bean stubble, just peaking over the creek bank and looking for the source of the sound. If he don't see anything, he is probably not coming any closer. Now if he see's another coyote standing over there, the coyote he just heard howling-----Get the picture yet?
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posted March 08, 2007 02:37 PM
If a video, be it hunting, nature or porn, entertains me.......that's good.
Or if it teaches me.......that's also good.
But, if it does both.......that's great!!
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TA17Rem
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posted March 08, 2007 04:15 PM
Yes Rich loud and clear... good luck.....
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posted March 08, 2007 04:55 PM
I buy quite a few predator hunting videos. It keeps me sane during the summer months. I like Randy Anderson's videos and find them very watchable. Some people don't like them but I find them entertaining. They are affordable at $12- $14 for 3-4 hrs. of action. Some sell for over $20 and are an hour long. I like the Predator Quest video and Coyote Behavior as well. There are some that just aren't worth the money. I need to get Rich H's videos and a few others are on the list.
The only things I care about, as far as info goes is. Wind direction, caliber used, how far the shot was and what time it is.
I am lucky to see a coyote for more than 30 seconds before a shot over here. So it is fun for me to be able to watch them on video come from way off and see how they act.
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