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TA17Rem
Hello, I'm the legendary Tim Anderson, Field Marshall, Southern Minneesota Sector
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posted January 25, 2025 12:33 PM
Remember days when we had the E-caller wars? Companies fighting over sounds to use, who made loudest E-caller and who had better remote and its range?
For remotes I think there was a law on how much they could put out which affected their range. WT had the best but then Fox pro turned Bill in on that which was stupid, cause Bill supposed to have exceeded that. But if F.P kept mouth shut they could of done same thing.
Anyway, remote range got me thinking. What if someone converted a GPS or combined it with a E-caller remote? Remote is basically line of site like garage door opener verses a GPS which communicates through satellites. (3-4)
Both units are compact, not too expensive and GPS i know can range out to 13 miles at times, not that a guy would set a caller that far away but would get better signal for short ranges like say 100 yards or little more.
When dealing with smarter coyotes that like to take down wind at 200-300 yards the hunter can already be set up there waiting for nice chip shot.
Also, on a GPS i can still give shocks or tones at whatever distance i want long as both units are in contact with each other. GPS also runs on different freq. so it doesn't interfere with airplanes in area so FAA has nothing to bitch about.
anyway some food for thought.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 25, 2025 03:07 PM
Yeah, ........ Isn't that how the members of the Religion of Peace & Tolerance set off their bombs ????
I can see an application where a caller could be set across a canyon a couple of hundred yards wide. Looking into the brush on the other side & a chip shot for you rifle guys.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 25, 2025 03:57 PM
I just think it would fix the line of site issue some have with remotes and caller. signal goes up rather trying to get through brush or over a hump i the ground. or what have you.
In the news there is now a Micro thermal for the handgun nuts. Similar to Halo site but in thermal and you can leave lights off when bad guy comes in the house, can't do that with a reg. Halo site like Leonard has.
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JoeF
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posted January 25, 2025 07:15 PM
A few thoughts, Tim:
Martz was probably busted over using family radio service (FRS) transceivers. Yes, the same ones that you can use to hear all the blabber during deer season. The law is the law. I'm not sure what I remember about that.
GPS is a one-way geolocation service. Any two way operation like a tracking device must be a combination of a gps receiver and something like a cellular transceiver.
I played in the industry right up until the time paging went the way of the dinosaur. One of our last developments was an asset tracker meant to be connected to something like a barge, shipping container, or whatever. We monitored simple things like door alarms, temperature (ever think what a refrigerated semi load of steaks cost). We used the gps receiver to add position data to basic alarms and broadcast that thru existing commercial services like ReFLEX paging or cellular to a web-based ap that provided a handy-dandy map for visual purposes plus other notifications. We were a bit too early and didn't make it - services that reached some level of commercial success were Lojack and Tom-Tom.
I considered what you are suggestiong and it is even more "do-able" some 20 years later.
Forget gps- it adds nothing. Start slinging acronyms and buzz words like AVR-IoT and Arduino.
Think cellular transceivers, one in your hand-held, one in the caller. Probably $150 for both, plus amortized development costs, plus monthly cell service plan....
Works great almost everywhere..... until you do not have cell service, then you have nothing. I can't even get reliable service at home or the farm.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 25, 2025 09:20 PM
Joe GPS tracking and monitoring equipment has been around now for few years. Most all the new equipment at place i work has them. covers everything from location of machine, if its running at the time as well as watches the monitor on machine performance. ect.
The GPS we use covers all of our grade work, job performance like how much material is removed in a hour or end of the day, actual work time or idle time, it covers it all. All this is also reviewed during the day back at the office, the shop boss or project manager don't even have to leave the office and they know who is taking better care of a machine and using it effectively.
Anyway, i would think all that tech could be put into a remote and E-caller at very affordable price.
Koko or anyone else can sit at home and just run the caller for guy out calling and then can find out who's calling technique is better. LOL ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Cell service requires towers better off with the garage door opener remote. LOL Now satellites you have 3-6 over you at all times as one leaves another pops in and takes it place.
My remote for my Garmin dog tracker is same size as a ipod and also has a touch screen. just change format/software so it can operate like E-caller handheld and tie into the caller. No need for a phone service unless Koko going to run it from the house.
Thermal scopes also have some software so you can tie the thermal into your phone. with app downloaded into a phone a buddy or kid can just sit back in the truck and watch the hunt take place on his phone and could make site adjustments for you if you need the help since busy watching the coyote. scope can be change from white hot to black hot, crosshairs can be adjusted as well.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 26, 2025 03:25 AM
"Technology makes a good servant but a bad master".
Gretchen Rubin.
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JoeF
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posted January 26, 2025 09:28 AM
Excellent point, Mr. Kokopelli!
I ate, slept, and drank techie stuff for years. Even worse, I was responsible for regulatory compliance closely related to this topic.
I had an additional long reply all typed out but towards the end I got to missing my good old ugly green Circe for some reason. I wandered around a bit and found it and a well-chewed PC-3 hanging on my porch.
I'm all better now.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 26, 2025 11:12 AM
I just see the day coming when we've lost all semblance of woodcraft and our 'hunter' sits before a computer screen and joy-sticks a real rifle set up with servos & solenoids from a blind aimed at a feeder. After which the 'guide' can dress, process & ship the rewards of the 'hunt'. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Edit to add;
Shit ....... I think I just gave Tim a chubbie. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted January 26, 2025 11:51 AM
Koko i resent that. Im all for new improvements in tech department but do like to draw the line.
Still like to get out do leg work and find my coyotes and figure them out verses the guys who put out trail camera's. By the way I won't hunt with anyone that sets out trail cams or uses a fox pro or other high-tech crap that just takes up space.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 26, 2025 12:20 PM
Just yankin' your chain.
But ...... Night vision, thermal sights, high dollar electro-callers, .................
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Leonard
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posted January 26, 2025 01:08 PM
Not having given it much previous thought, come to think of it, I guess I'm anti trail cam, myself. First of all, it's doubtful everybody will respect it, and I don't like the fact that my picture was taken as I happened upon it. Now what do you do, some turd knows you just walked by and I don't know shit about him? Not a big deal but it's still an invasion of my privacy..
Good hunting. El Bee
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JoeF
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posted January 26, 2025 02:22 PM
Game cams on public land are a bit presumptive and intrusive. Also, I could see where in limited circumstances like a desert water source they might give a hunter an advantage.
Outside of that, they are pretty much nothing more than a history report, kind of like a QA department. If your operation wasn't already aware and handling the issue you are already in trouble...
I enjoy game cams on my little spread, but the realistic game cam report is that deer are most active around sunrise and sunset and thru the night. Bobcats and coyotes pass thru some times, at any time. But we all knew that already.
You can see some unique stuff - today's bobcat history report review reveals a picture of a good-sized tom carrying last summer's kitten that he probably killed. Interesting, but probably of limited/no value from a hunting perspective, unless we need a feline version of "canine puppies".....
Other common unusual themes? I have multiple shots where I have driven by a game camera in my Mule and the camera then catches me and a deer running along behind me in the next frame. Also, I can set a camera on a tripod out in the open and about guarantee that a deer will smear its nose all over it within 3 nights, most likely knocking it over. Interesting, but no hunting advantage, unless I need to pick up my road hunting game...
Game cams - used properly, pretty much a toy or entertainment device.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 26, 2025 03:02 PM
As far as I know ....... subject to correction .... Arizona outlawed their use for hunting.
Eight to ten different cameras on every fence post at every waterhole was getting to be a bit much. More traffic from hunters checking their cameras than from elk getting water.
Then their would be Opening Day with everybody claiming the spot..............
At some point common sense needs to enter into the equation.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 26, 2025 04:00 PM
Koko you little behind on the trail cam's. You can now view them from your phone at home. some guys set them up close to house by a bait pile then wait for coyotes or fox to show up then open a window and make the kill and get the big hunt posted on the net. soon as possible.
Nothing wrong with some of the hi-tech stuff long as you still out hunting, it's the sit on their ass stuff I don't much care for.
And from looking at the other forums the younger generation still cannot read and understand what they are reading. Rather than read directions or a book they run to the Net begging for whatever answers they can get. a lot of handholding with many.
The new guys go out at night or daytime, turn on a caller and just keep playing whatever sounds they have on it, no understanding of why or what.
Then you get a guy from Tennessee asking a hunter from Az. what sounds are working? LOL
Oh and the MFK guys pull a Fox-pro act. They sold a shit load of "must have" sounds and buyer gets them, but software doesn't work so he just sits and waits for it to be fixed in mean time cash is just rolling in. LOL How many versions of estrus chirps does a guy need on his caller? oh i know. just make up more versions of the sound and sell them to unknowing, they adults so they can decide for themselves long as no one gets hurt. Right?
Years ago we had E-caller wars now we got the thermal wars. Salesmen trying to cut another guy out on a sale saying his product way better and on it goes.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 26, 2025 04:33 PM
No denying that technologically I'm practically Amish.
Or that I tend to stay with the old ways and take a bit of pride in that fact.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 27, 2025 04:48 PM
so you then just packing a flintlock pistol under your shirt for protection or you still carrying a rock and a sharp stick?
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Leonard
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posted January 27, 2025 05:41 PM
YOU ARE GETTING ON MY NERVES!
But, PS I did not know that you can view trail cam pictures on your phone? (I'm with ko ko)
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted January 28, 2025 11:54 AM
Yup ........... Not only trail cams on your phone but real time drone footage.
A guy at the archery range had one a few months ago that he would send downrange to check his hits on target. Just for yucks & giggles, he ran it straight up until it was out of sight and then zoomed in on each one of us. He said that he could fly it over bucks and count points. It was pretty impressive. Just one more reason that our seasons are getting shorter while Game & Fish campaigns for more hunters. ($$$)
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Leonard
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posted January 28, 2025 02:02 PM
Well, first of all, Fish & Game is not our friend and has not been our friend for many years. It's changed, before Wardens were sportsmen very like most hunters and fishermen. Nowadays, we have wardens with completely different attitudes, more protectors of the animals, which is not a negative, but they do seem to have an us versus them mentality. At one time, a warden would give you a tip as to where they last saw, whatever it is that you are looking for. Some Wardens will intentionally mislead, send you down a dry hole and act like Gee they don't know anything about where the fish are biting and where they last saw the bucks. So, forget asking because they ain't telling and if they did, you have to question their motivation. Total change in attitude, to my way of thinking. I avoid wardens and by the same token, will not volunteer any information, where I have been, where I intend to go, what I'm interested in. They fully intend to use any information in a negative manor. It's sad but since the reality has been impressed on me, it's just not a big deal.
And yet, I wonder what the fuck they are good for. A biologist is one thing, but is the only thing a warden is useful for is to count how many fish or quail in possession and of course, check to make sure that you have a friggin' plug in your shotgun.
How can I be faulted, when they are looking for "GOTCHA STUFF". I'm soured on Fish & Game, unfortunately. And, it's not because I've been trapped or cited or any other reason besides just mistreated in an unfriendly fashion. It's an attitude thing; on their part, not mine.
Good hunting. El Bee
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