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Saylor
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posted August 21, 2024 04:16 PM
Been trying to find any discussions about mouth calls, custom or production, and electronic but not much luck in my searches.
So, do ya’ll prefer mouth calls or an electronic caller/sounds?
Me? I’m taking 3 mouth calls and a squeaker/coaxer this weekend. Leaving the electronics at home this time.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 21, 2024 05:42 PM
Mouth calls;
(1) Crit-R-Call Standard. Open reed.
(2) Weems Dual Tone. Closed reed + internal Squeaker. eBay.
Electronics;
(1) Radio Shack Cassette Deck w/ tapes.
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(2) FoxPro 416
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Saylor
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posted August 21, 2024 06:07 PM
I’ll be using a Rare Earth closed reed, a Slydog “Clasic” antler call, and a split open reed I just bought from a custom maker in Texas, called the Deuce. Oh, and a PS Olt CP-21 squeaker.
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Saylor
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posted August 21, 2024 06:12 PM
And almost forgot…my decoy…an old arrow with a turkey feather tied on to flap in the breeze.
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Leonard
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posted August 22, 2024 08:37 AM
Virtually the only perk with this job is that I have people that send me calls. You know, they are all good, in their way, in their "Lane". And yes, it's the sound, but it's also how it feels and how it looks. You might like the antler, or an exotic wood, or the physical shape suits you over another that, maybe you can't put your finger on it but, you never use it. Or, you do, and put it away, never go back to it.
I personally like a diaphragm call. I don't know, they just seem so versatile, I can just make them stand up and dance. The versatility is damned near endless. Yeah, they ain't much to look at, and you have to be careful where you put them. I like those coin purse rubberized things that you squeeze in the middle. I'm sure everybody knows what I'm talking about.
Electronic? Everybody has their favorite, and some mechanically work better than others, or you really like the coyote sounds. Whatever.
I've said it before, but one of the most enticing sounds I ever used was one I picked up in Africa, of a Springbok or springhare? It's like a giant chinchilla, with huge eyes, strictly nocturnal. But it's a great distress sound, and it will sucker a coyote just as well as a jackel.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Saylor
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posted August 22, 2024 09:16 AM
+ 1 for perks of the job!
I’ve tried diaphragm calls (turkey) and I just can’t get em to sound right. I agree with you that there’s a lot that makes a custom call a “go to”…how it looks, how it feels in the hand, as well as success rate bringing in critters. And it can be an expensive hobby and it’s addictive…much like tattoos…just ask my wife.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 22, 2024 11:44 AM
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) "............ to sound right"
Years ago, I was enamored with the ELK Yote Buster call. The one with the retractable reed. Used it with good success in Ore. & Nev. This was my 'go-to' call with a really good sound that I liked.
Then I noticed that the end of the reed had degraded pretty badly. Disaster !!! Can't have that so I ordered some new replacement reeds. Installed the new reed and Mega-Disaster !!! The new reed just didn't 'sound right' like the old beat up reed did.
Never really went back to it again.
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Leonard
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posted August 22, 2024 04:40 PM
One time, we were within a mile or two of entering Death Valley from the Nevada side. It was early morning, I don't know, maybe 1 ,2 or 3am we were using an 8 track Tape Deck.
So, there was something wrong and it just went Grugh for for a half a second. Then we would take it out and shake it, push it back in and same thing: Grugh!
This was repeated with the same hang up for (what?) 5 minutes, maybe 6-8 minutes? Nothing was working.
We were stopped in the middle of the pavement and could have seen any vehicle approaching from many miles away, no worries, this is Nevada. But, just had a "feeling" and I swung the light around and there was a bobcat, coming to the call walking down the centerline.
We killed him, a decent Tom and then went back to troubleshooting the caller.
It really doesn't matter, realism or your pitiful dying rabbit squalls, and even the most amateurish effort on a Circe Jackrabbit will call in a predator once in a while.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted August 22, 2024 04:49 PM
Well yeah, ....... but only a wood Circe. The plastic ones, not so much now-a-days. (Or nights).
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Leonard
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posted August 23, 2024 07:11 AM
I forgot they started making them in plastic!
That was my first call. I've still got it. It's all chewed up on the mouthpiece. By me, not a dog. Won't hold a reed any more.
I don't know how deep the Peanut Gallery gets into thee things, but I do know that Jay Nistetter has quite a large assortment of the jc reed inserts.
Previously, I thought they consisted of cottontail and jackrabbit. He wrote a book about hand calls. I have it.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Saylor
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posted August 23, 2024 09:22 AM
I have a couple of the plastic Circe calls (I think these were made by Lohman). One is a dial up, long distance, medium and close.
I don’t use them, and haven’t in forever, to be honest. They were calls that I purchased at Springfield Missouri Bass Pro when I was just beginning to call coyotes.
Funny you mentioned Jay Nistetter’s and Al Lux’s book “Predator Calls: The First Fifty Years”. I was online last week trying to find a copy with the used book sites. No luck yet.
Anyway, last night, I pulled out my copy of Gerry Blair’s books “Predator Calling With Gerry Blair” and “Predator Caller’s Companion”.
I actually ordered “Calling Predators” from Beastmasters and had Gerry autograph it and send it to me. He wrote a note as well on a piece of paper and included that with my book. Also folded up in this book was a brochure and an order form with a note from Dan Thompson’s wife when I ordered a Weems replica call. Another treasure tucked in with these was a short note from Lance Hohman (from Kansas, Predatr Calls) when I bought one of his calls.
I stepped back in time a bit there as they were all from the year 2000. Thompson passed away years ago and I think Blair passed from the scene not too long ago.
In the note, Blair had recommended Robert Patrick (Rare Earth Calls) to make me a desert ironwood call I was wanting and had asked about it when I wrote my letter to get a book from him.
Sad, I reached out to Mr. Patrick a week or so ago. He has had some health issues and isn’t making calls any more and what someone had told me was he was selling what stock he had left. He’s never replied back. Never did get one of his ironwood calls, but do have a HSB (hurt sumbitch) in Lignum Vitae I’m using tomorrow morning.
I’ve been pretty bummed lately to find these guys again and to learn so many have passed on or are totally out of the sport. And, I’m not even as young as I once was. Feel like I’m still 20-something but the old back and knees are starting to tell me the truth at 58. LOL
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Kokopelli
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posted August 23, 2024 12:54 PM
Nistetter's book is pure class. Good luck finding one. The last I heard, he was trying to get himself cast-away on an island with a couple of Chinese Chicks.
The other book to get is Jim Dougherty's Varmint Hunter's Digest. Some of the equipment is dated but the info is solid and it's a good read. Long out of print, you might try eBay.
58 ??? ![[Eek!]](eek.gif) There's people here that can't even remember being that young.
Got out this morning for Archery Deer Season Opener. Trying to call in some does & a yearling buck with fawn bleats on a plastic Crit-R-Call. No deer but called coyotes on three out of five stands. ..... and a VERY confused Red Tail Hawk. No shots but still a good day.
May have to break out the wooden Crit-R-Call tomorrow.
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Saylor
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posted August 23, 2024 02:04 PM
I’ll start looking. “Jim Dougherty's Varmint Hunter's Digest”.
Yeah, sounds like you had a good day. It’s good therapy for me just to get out there and see what’s happenin’ in the woods or edge of a field these days.
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TA17Rem
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posted August 23, 2024 05:20 PM
Hand calls closed reed most are about same with few exceptions. Open reed many of tone boards to big unless you got big lungs and a mouth.
The E.L.K. is still a good open reed call and better if you attach tone board to a horn tip. Scerry bite reed call is another good one.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 23, 2024 06:22 PM
".............. better if you attach tone board to a horn tip"
You kind of lost me on that one. Could you elaborate on replacing the tone board or mating the tone board to an antler tip ???? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted August 24, 2024 08:25 AM
The E.L.K. tone board held together by rubber O-rings and slides into the call barrel. I removed that and then got a cow horn from rancher on the Res., cut tip off and then drilled a hole through horn to accept the tone board with O-rings on. Put little lube on o_rings and slid it into hole cut into horn and then cut horn down to about 3-4".
I also had another made up by call maker out of wood and used more parts from the E.L.K and was much nicer than a krusty crier but I gave that call to Scott H.
Also take a close look at how tone board is made on the E.L.K. you notice a step cut into tone board where the reed sits, it makes for much better sound and more versatile without locking up.
I had this idea copied and done on a Randy Anderson Hot dog, I think its called, much better sound and easy to use and you dont have to keep bending the tone board out with your tongue like Randy always did in his hunting vid.s, the step keeps reed up and off the tone board so it don't stick or gum up.
If I may add Burham Bro.s has rabbit call think its a c-3 or c-4, plastic. then they make a WF-4 walnut call with double jc reed. Get some double jc reeds and use them in the plastic c-4 call, much better raspy sound and good volume as well as I called in red fox at just a mile away with it. The c-3 has smaller air channel compared to the WF which is pretty open and think smaller channel just sounds much better useing double reed.
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Leonard
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posted August 24, 2024 08:36 AM
The above post is an example of why You Tube videos are so popular....and useful!
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TA17Rem
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posted August 24, 2024 08:37 AM
Oh Koko I used that modified E.L.K. call in a calling contest, after contest Randy Shaw walking up and said my pup distress sounded just like the WT pup distress. ![[Wink]](wink.gif) ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted August 24, 2024 08:42 AM
you right Leonard but I don't want to share with the world. Just keep it here and when something like that pops up on U-tube you will know where the idea came from.
Take F-P and Lucky duck callers they both have a E-caller that rotates. Where that idea come from? No one else ever talked about doing it except me here at Hunt Masters and that's fact.
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posted August 24, 2024 08:54 AM
Interesting concept ........ I have a broken elk antler tine that I hollowed out but never really did anything with.
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posted August 24, 2024 09:16 AM
my cow horn is thin shelled and pretty much open like small funnel
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NVWalt
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posted August 26, 2024 01:56 PM
I like this discussion. First off the "OLD" calls like your Weems ,Greenhead, Circe etc,etc. Were closed reed calla that used the Wintress, a company that produced commercial reeds. They sold out to JC or maybe JC bought out their reed business . They eventually retooled the machines and you have what almost to a call JC reeds in them of one type or another. Hence the differences in the sound. Also Walnut VS maple has a different sound Anyways the different woods and their density has some to it. Also plastic has a different.
Then there is barrel length diameter etc etc.
If you really find a difference in the sounds you have pretty good ears.The old Wintress did sound different than the JC. But I used them all and they all worked.
I am no expert and don't claim to be but I did find over the years that it was the individual using the call and how he worked the call more than the call itself. I have a different, but the same sound, as most any accomplished coyote whacker. And I have killed too many coyotes to even recall except the special one's.
HUNTING the coyote and following most basic hunting procedures and the wind etc, etc, etc.
Finding them by a lot of scouting etc. on and on, you get the idea. Ive called them up with nothing but shorts and sandals and my bare lips, not lip sqeeking. And worse.I did find over the years for me anyways that covering your bright shiny white face and hands helped the most and movement.
But the calling and your manipulation of that reed like a fine woodwind instrument was more productive than a plane ol wah,wah,wah.Which does work also.
I am rambling on but I turned hundreds upon hundreds of calls over the years and they have been sent to Europe, Australia, Africa and South America and Mexico .
My love of the mouth blown closed reed call comes from them HUNTING YOU!!! and not that electronic caller and getting ambushed as opposed to calling them right into YOUR lap.
Open reed is a whole nother act and so much more versatile than a closed reed. I have made and used both over the decades but I LOVE my Krusty Krier
Enough of my rambling and I dont use 223. I use 17 remington or a 22-250 if I don't use one of my
shotgun or pistols. That's my 2 cents...Walt
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Kokopelli
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posted August 26, 2024 03:33 PM
My Krusty Kriers are what I refer to as my wooden Crit-R-Calls.
Mouth calls are great. Endless sounds from those more talented than my own self. I've entered a couple of stage contests and had my ass handed to me both times by Tyler Higgens. That boy can squeeze the blood out of a call. Dick Snell told me that my routine would never win a stage contest but if I was calling coyotes go full speed ahead. Works for me.
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UTcaller
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posted August 27, 2024 02:56 PM
Hand calls=Critr’call Pee Wee and Weems wild call and for howls MFK diaphragm calls.
Electronic call=Lucky duck Roughneck….
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posted August 27, 2024 03:05 PM
And as far as my calling gun goes, anymore the only gun I grab from the safe is my .22-250 Ackley improved loaded with RL15 and 60 grain Bergers. They are running around 3700 fps with a 21” suppressed barrel. I will take my Benelli in the thick Sage Brush sometimes.
Good Hunting Chad
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