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Topic: Curses ........ Foiled Again !!!!
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Kokopelli
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posted November 17, 2024 02:46 PM
It's not that coyotes are hard to hit with traditional archery gear.
It's just that they're sooooo easy to miss.
Had one of those look left-nothing, look right, nothing, look left, WHERE THE HELL DID HE COME FROM ???? moments with a coyote appearing at 25 yards.
Actually got the shot with it looking right at me. Probably rushed the shot. Don't know if I went high or low or the coyote just wasn't there when the arrow got there.
But, hey ......... a shot's a win. We'll drink the good wine tonight !!! Having the trout that I caught yesterday for supper. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Leonard
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posted November 17, 2024 04:44 PM
I'll try to sugar coat this as much as I can. OK?
You muffed it! Choked! Rushed the shot!
(here comes the sugar coating part)
Hey, don't sweat it. Everybody does it!
You'll get him next time!
Just don't be daydreaming when you should be vigilant!
You'll get him next time! If you pay attention!
There. Now do you feel better?
Good! Now, don't take it out on poor Cindy! She puts up with a lot, you know?
Good hunting. El Bee ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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Kokopelli
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posted November 17, 2024 06:23 PM
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 12:23 AM
Hey !! ......... Would this make me A Muff Master ???
BwaaaaHaaaaHaaaa !!! I crack myself up sometimes. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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NVWalt
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posted November 18, 2024 03:01 AM
A Muff Master ?
That's quite the title you think you have ol Glazed Donut face.
But a shot with the pointy stick is impressive and those coyotes do seem to just pop up right out of the ground in front of you don't they.
I have called out in the Shadscale flats and you can see for a mile in any direction you want as the brush is only 6 inches tall And still they just pop up out of the dirt in front of you. How do you miss seeing the little yellow eyed bastard comming in?
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 05:37 AM
I dunno but having them in close enough that you can see the expressions on their faces change from 'where's da wabbit? to OH FUC!!' never gets old.
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TA17Rem
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posted November 18, 2024 06:38 AM
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I dunno but having them in close enough that you can see the expressions on their faces change from 'where's da wabbit? to OH FUC!!' never gets old.
They do the same thing at 100-300 yards you just to blind to see that.
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 06:44 AM
That's 'cause you've got the volume cranked up so loud that it hurts their ears.
I don't even consider a coyote 'called in' unless it's < 100 yards. Anything further is just 'called up'. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 08:22 AM
One take-away from my last couple of misses;
Supposedly, I'm a somewhat competent shot based of Tournament results.
But ........... Tournaments are shot standing up and most of my calling is done kneeling on one knee. The form is similar but still 'different'.
Different is the opposite of consistent and consistence is the basis of accuracy.
Need to add about a dozen kneeling shots to my practice routine.
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TA17Rem
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posted November 18, 2024 10:42 AM
Its like this Koko I call at full volume and the coyote thinks rabbit is right there in front of him/her so it just keeps on coming in, at times I also call none stop which gives the same result of keeping the coyote focused and still moving in.
Its too open here and I don't want a coyote stopping as they will then look around or may even lose interest. keep it focused on the caller!
And lastly, years ago I played that stupid game of getting them in close, but I don't carry a shotty so what's the point in letting them in that close? Yeah I was showing off to Higgens one time and killed em at 3 steps and 75 yards with scoped rifle but there are too many things that can go wrong so again why even go there? I take em when I see them and the shot is comfortable or just let them walk.
Certain sounds at full volume just excite a coyote even more to keep coming, the volume at full don't bother them and adds to the excitement.
Take a dog thats got a coyote bayed up and trying to kill it or take two dogs that got into a fight.
You can holler things at the dog to get it more excited so it will fight harder on bay up and if you try to break up two dogs in a fight last thing you want to do is holler at them, its just keeps them going. And a coyote being called in at full volume is no different.
Rather than be negative of some of my tactics is to go out and try them but not on just one stand or one coyote, do it all year and see what the plus's are. if didn't work I wouldn't be doing it.
Coyotes comfort level changes from one coyote to next and one area to the next that's why it's important to know what you are calling too and how you call.
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Leonard
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posted November 18, 2024 10:54 AM
Damn, ko ko! About how long do you maintain this one knee shooting position? I'm assuming a 15 minute stand? You can maintain that pose that long?
I have a knee replacement, fortunately it's the left knee and I of course would shoot a bow right handed. With my right knee on the ground, or I'd bring some sort of pillow, which would come in very handy on lava. And, I suppose short, stiff bows would be the ticket? Have you ever seen actual Indians shooting bows? They don't hold a draw at all, pull it back and let it go in one motion.
You know the Alpine mummy they call Oste, (I think?) He had a stone arrowhead imbedded in his back shoulder area. I think it had healed over, not sure? Can you imagine crossing the Alps with straw stuffed in your moccasins? For warmth? I think the coolest weapon he had was a copper axe and a hafted stone dagger. Those were real He Men back then. Coping with all those hardships, and no TV! He would definitely eat that coyote....you pussy!
(just kidding)
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: responding to TA above, which I didn't see before. I'm somewhat in favor of what he said about the pretty common desire to call them in close, kind of a badge of honor. But no, when they get in close they wise up fast and can be out of sight in two bounds, with no shot opportunities. They feel safer at a hundred, and hold where they wouldn't at 25. So, I'm in the camp of; take the shot when they first pause, whether it's 50 or 150, etc. Usually, you won't get another pause, even if you bark. When coming in or more likely circling, when he stops to evaluate the situation, that's your best shot. After that, you are shooting a moving target, not a good situation, and now he has the advantage. It doesn't apply to flinging sticks at them....which I've never done. But, it seems futile?
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posted November 18, 2024 11:01 AM
I have to call them real close because when the scope completely fills up with fur I know it's time to jerk on the trigger. Most the time when I jerk the trigger I hit them...but then sometimes I murder a dirt clod.LOL.
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 11:58 AM
Tim, not being negative at all. We do what works for us & trips our triggers. Then we yank each others chains just for yucks & giggles.
El Bee; I can do the kneel on my right knee for about 30 minutes. I wear a foam knee pad on that side. Kneeling is not the problem. Sometimes getting back up ain't pretty, though.
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posted November 18, 2024 03:53 PM
Man! I gotta say, kneeling on one knee for 30 minutes sounds rather brutal. More like torture! And 5 successful conclusions, thus far? You are a glutton for punishment, Dude!
I think I got it. Maybe? You don't expect to win. You don't want to win! You like Grasshoppa! It's all Zen.
The first contest I entered, me and my partner killed 7 coyotes. I don't remember if I killed 3 or 4? I was hooked, though!
But, I need more action than 5 total, for a lifetime of calling. Reminds me of a quest for holes in one. Par 3, eighteen times you tee off, unsuccessful then go directly to the next hole. For a lifetime.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted November 18, 2024 04:13 PM
Well .......... Actually, I do expect to win. As I mentioned somewhere, a shot's a win with trad equipment. A hit's a bonus. Really low odds but I don't need to kill a coyote to prove to anyone that I can kill a coyote. Right now the fur market sucks and I see no reason to put in the time to put up an 8 dollar pelt. Since I don't care to just leave one in the field, the pointed stick is the right choice for me. If that ever gets too easy, mayhap an Atlatl.
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TA17Rem
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posted November 19, 2024 07:30 AM
Atlatl might be better choice over a bow.
I have a lot of CRP land I call around or run dogs in it and most of it has deer stands scattered about which are pretty nice and comfy. Was told by landowners I could use them when calling coyotes, but I never got the urge to climb up in one.
They be perfect for making bow kills but I never got the urge to do that either. Using rifle just seems that more fun to me.
Fur market sucks right now and last season was first time I have ever tossed good coyote pelts. Dont like that but nothing I can do about it. Maybe Trump get the fur trade going again in Europe.
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posted November 19, 2024 09:58 AM
Hmmm?
Well, I have to agree, $8 for a prime coyote pelt is an insult. I'll bet the Europeans are still wearing fur.
But, I will confess, I've never had much sympathy for any form of trapping. I can understand the yuppies that release trapped animals....well, sorta, anyway. So, if the fur market is down that much, coyotes and bobcats will benefit. Especially cats, in my opinion.
I have to admit, that my drive towards killing coyotes has diminished somewhat. I never hated them in the first place, I have a lot of admiration for coyotes, they are survivors, and smart as hell. Every time I see a clip of a pack of wolves tearing a coyote apart, I feel just about as bad as watching Jews march into the Zyclon B showers. Not equating, but it's still sad.
Anyway,
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted November 19, 2024 03:17 PM
Same boat here Leonard, never had a hate for coyotes or red fox and care less if they kill a fawn or a dam chicken. But their numbers do need to be kept in check and here if we don't then dam mange flairs up again and makes big mess of things. It took over 10 years, but the fox is starting to come back in my area, mange was really tough on them.
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Kokopelli
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posted November 19, 2024 05:54 PM
Tim is correct; If predator numbers get to be too high mange, parvo or distemper will balance things out if we don't.
I haven't trapped in years but it was a learning experience into animal behavior that I will always cherish. There's a wee bit more to it than just tossing some traps in the ground and heading for the fur sale.
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posted November 19, 2024 10:07 PM
As for trapping it helps to know your targets travel route and where they like to be or go for food. Trap along some sort of structure as well. after nice rain or snow get out look for tracks set up along this set of tracks and play the wind for trap placement and scent. I would set up along fence lines, on one side of gate or other, look for some structure or objects the get their attention like a nice big rock all by itself. In hay fields I would borrow a haybale from farmer and place it in center of field and at times get nice tree branch and stick it into top of bale for added attention, put call lure on the branch and urine or lure at base of bale where you have set trap, which should be on corner of small square bale. any place two fence lines intersect is good spot as well as ridge lines. if you have a creek with structure like plum brush always set on the downwind side of the creek. Coyotes can only smell a call lure if they down wind of it, period, so set up accordingly to wind. always add urine as its a fear eliminator or curiosity lure. won't hide any scent from human but it helps confuse it and perhaps enough get it to come take a look. Can use a squirter bottle or a bottle that sprays a mist and just mist the area a little which will also cause a male coyote to walk over to your backing and take a piss. Urine does way more than just confuse a coyote, it causes it to want to mark its terr. or give it good whiff and smell who it is, can eliminate fear or caution. add a little fox urine at times it will perk them right up.
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posted November 21, 2024 01:46 PM
I always had my best luck trapping the sand washes. Walk in a little ways away from the road, look down and squat down low. Look up and the first thing that catches the eye is where to put the set. Could be a log, rock or bush, etc.
I liked double dirt-holes with the trap out front in the middle and whatever caught my eye for backing. I would use anything from PowerBait trout bait to tainted roadkill meat to O'Gorman's lures. Overhead, a skunky call lure.
Then ......... about 20 feet away I would do a simple urine post set.
The theory being ..... If the coyote can't eat it or hump it, it's going to want to piss on it.
Good times ....... Sadly gone.
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