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Leonard
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posted July 01, 2024 11:13 AM
Question:
Give thoughts on what does and what doesn't affect coyote responses?
What do monsoons do to coyote activity? How about heat lightning?
Does wind conditions just affect the ability of a coyote to hear your distress? Or, do they hunker down and let the Santa Ana's blow it self out?
We ALL know that a front moving in will cause coyote activity to slow to lethargy. WE all know that just as soon as a front passes, expect the hunting to go wide open.
How about summer heat? Can you set your clock by exactly when coyotes quit responding in June/July/August? Personally, I think you are wasting your time to call after 9:30 A.M. during the summer month.
When is the best hunting? I'd guess September and August. Everybody has an opinion, I'm sure of that!
So, sound off. What do you think and what will you defend? We want to know. Your half baked opinions are important to all of us.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted July 01, 2024 03:41 PM
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Give thoughts on what does and what doesn't affect coyote responses?
Sound or type caller being used; they can't hear it they won't come.
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What do monsoons do to coyote activity? How about heat lightning?
If their core area being flooded, they move to higher ground or to the roads and get run over. Found two pups got hit in same spot by a bridge with river and area under water. five miles down road by a lake close to road found another pup that got run over. Where they hunt and lay up for the day will also change due to flooding. They get use to lightening just like gun shots or cars.
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Does wind conditions just affect the ability of a coyote to hear your distress. Or, do they hunker down and let the Santa Ana's blow itself out?
ability to hear so call downwind on windy days or try some cross wind or even get closer to core area and try to give them a area where they can get out of the wind a little. Like deep drainage or creek bottom.
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We ALL know that a front moving in will cause coyote activity to slow to lethargy. WE all know that just as soon as a front passes, expect the hunting to go wide open.
coyotes will be out before a storm, during a storm and after a storm. Heavey winds then look for places out of the wind they be there hunting. those caught out in open with heavy wind will bed up for day or night but depends on if they can find some sort of wind brake or cover that don't have to be very big just enough get them out of wind and has some sort of food like mice.
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How about summer heat? Can you set your clock by exactly when coyotes quit responding in June/July/August? Personally, I think you are wasting your time to call after 9:30 A.M. during the summer month.
I made a special trip just to find this out, temps from 90 up to 103 in July and called in a pair at high noon and few more singles as I went all afternoon.
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When is the best hunting? I'd guess September and August. Everybody has an opinion, I'm sure of that!
Nov. and on into winter. Spring denning time good also but I don't do any denning except twice with state trappers.
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None of my opinions are half baked just facts from actually going out to find out whats what. I got tired of hearing all the excuses as to why coyotes didn't respond on this day or that day or that night, or not hungry B.S. and found most excuse are just that B.S.. When guys are cold calling new areas without actual locates then they going to get a hit and miss on what days or time of days are best and what area they are responding and what area they are not so it gives you a false idea of what is or isn't working. Go out and locate then apply different conditions to those coyotes before you jump the gun and say this don't work or its too hot or too cold or too windy ect.
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posted July 01, 2024 04:09 PM
No help from my end Leonard. I've never hunted in summer, wouldn't want to.
I've got a narrow time frame for my coyote hunting, generally from November to end of February.
Usually a lull in response a time or two within those 4 months due to incoming weather fronts or an unknown anomaly, but generally good hunting overall.
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Kokopelli
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posted July 01, 2024 05:34 PM
Not sure about anybody else's Monsoons but ours 'generally' build up about 2:00 in the afternoon, all Hell breaks loose, it rains hard for about 30 minutes and the thirsty desert soaks up every bit of moisture. Then it all goes away and the desert smells good. Heat lightening at night is really cool. Often so far away that there's no thunder to go with the flash. Other times, the sky's rockin' and rollin'.
I've been out a few times lately. Mostly hiking to lose weight & get in shape for deer season, and roving shooting practice to sharpen the shooting eye. I've made a few stands with an old Weems Dual Tone call with mixed results. Best responses have been where there's cows because where there's cows there's water. Can't say that the responses have been overly enthusiastic. Too damn hot to come running in.
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posted July 02, 2024 04:49 AM
Another thought; ............ I try to have at least one a day. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
"Called in" .......... is a matter of perspective.
If Tim takes a 100 yard chip shot on a coyote with a decent rifle and solid shooting form he can rightly thump his little chest and say "I called that coyote in from way over yonder 'cause I used enough volume."
If I have a coyote hang up at 100 yards while I'm holding my recurve bow all I can do is shrug my manly shoulders and say "Was probably using too much volume & it seemed unnatural." All a matter of perspective.
![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) Sorry Tim, that was a cheap shot but it was too easy to pass up !!!
Don't let the humidity up there get ya !!!
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posted July 02, 2024 09:44 AM
ko ko my boy. You are attempting the virtual impossible! Sticking an arrow into a coyote is a lot like buying LOTTO tickets. You know you are throwing your money away, in the first place. But, calling a coyote and holding your bow at full draw, for a long time is a recipe for failure. You really have to like going through the motions with negative results, to try it a second and a third time. I can only guess it's the solitude, or something? What's the best result? A clean pass through and you never recover the arrow or the coyote? I don't know, Buddy? And, you use a Weems all call? So the focus is directly on you and your position? Now, you can't move! This has never been successful. You must love failure? Oh well, at least you enjoy the serenity and the chirping of the critters, because you ain't gonna win this contest very often. No expectations and no rewards. I get it!
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: PS I admire your persistence! Do not think I'm discouraging you. Rack up the body count!
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posted July 02, 2024 11:06 AM
Well ................ I've done the impossible about a half dozen times. Four with a compound bow and a couple with my recurve.
The Weems is a 'retro' thing just for the Hell of it. (Duplicate of my first call) I normally use one of the despised FoxPro 416s and yes, getting the sound away from me is huge but knowing when to draw and shoot is huge-er.
I don't kill a lot of coyotes these days but I don't have to feel bad about shooting one and not skinning it. Right now, the fur market sucks, anyway. Sometimes just seeing one come in to 20 yards with that "Where's da wabbit ??" look that turns to "OH FUK !!!" is reward enough.
If I call one into <40 yards, it's a win.
If I call one in and get a shot it's a win-win.
If I actually connect and get one, it's the 'Happy Snoopy Dance' all the way back to the truck.
The point being, I don't have to kill a coyote to prove to myself or anybody else that I can kill a coyote.
The other plus is that I can take roving practice shots all of the way back to the truck and that's the kind of practice that pays off in 3D tournaments or in the real world of deer / feral pig hunting.
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posted July 02, 2024 11:17 AM
Noble pursuit, you are to be applauded. At least you aren't wasting ammo. How many arrows are recovered, percentage wise? What is the recovery time in minutes, or hours? I expect that you stumble onto some cool shit hunting flung arrows?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted July 02, 2024 01:17 PM
I rarely lose one while roving. I use Judo Heads that have little spring arms the dig in and (usually) don't skip off into parts unknown. Most arrow loss occurs when a dried cow patty trans-morgifies into a rock during a perfect shot.
My usual routine on a hit, coyote or deer, is to watch it and mark the last place I see it. I then shoot a blunt to where it was hit and another blunt to where it disappeared. I usually track slowly from the hit to see what I can learn; blood on one or both sides of the track, hair, foot drag marks, gut fluid, straight trail or meandering, etc.
Biggest problem with coyotes that are less than perfectly hit is that they will run off, lay up and lick the wound. End of blood trail whether the hit is fatal or not. Then comes a grid search.
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TA17Rem
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posted July 02, 2024 03:25 PM
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"Was probably using too much volume & it seemed unnatural."
It seems you forget the WT. vid. I sent you few years back. coyotes standing right next to speaker and a few at 30 yards or so just standing there looking. Also check out some F-P vid.s and even Randy Anderson has a few with coyotes sticking head in speaker or coyote actually trying to run off with it while its playing.
Monsoons here last all day and at times go into the night, take short break and start up again on and off all week or more at times.
Coyotes at bow range with gun? Yeah I killed a few just ask Higgins.
One of the crews that works for same company their job been getting hit pretty much every week with some only working 3-4 days out of two month's. thats a fucken monsoon Koko.
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posted July 02, 2024 05:43 PM
Volume ........ On the other hand, it says on all of my Johnny Stewart tapes to 'play at low volume'.
I'll pass on that kind of rain. Today I could look out from my patio and see three different rain showers coming down. We didn't get a drop. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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posted July 03, 2024 03:07 PM
Koko you right about Johny Stewart tapes need to be played at lower volume due to distortion of speakers in most tape players back in the day, except for the Dennis Kirk e-caller, (3/4 to full volume).
Try little volume for a change maybe you get more targets for your pointy sticks. ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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posted July 03, 2024 04:30 PM
He don't need advice if he has already kilt 6 coyotes with pointed sticks!
He's a friggin' HERO if you ask me?
I've killed 2 coyotes with my Combat Commander and pretty friggin' proud of that stat.
The first one took 7 rounds and then a large rock!
The second one dropped (like a rock), I mean, it fucking flattened him, slammed him so hard he almost bounced! one shot.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted July 03, 2024 07:27 PM
A coyote with a hand cannon is something that I still haven't done.
Went out one time with a .41 wheel-gun. Called in a grey fox and missed it at about 20 yards. The thing ran out into the brush about 50 yards, AND THEN CAME BACK IN !!! Hit it with the second shot thru the chest without much reaction. I guess the bullet went thru so fast that it didn't have time to do the 'terminal ballistics' thing. The fox took about 30 seconds and went down. Tough s.o.b.s.
Probably gonna need hollow-er hollow-points for a coyote than the usual self-defense loads.
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TA17Rem
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posted July 04, 2024 05:28 AM
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He don't need advice if he has already kilt 6 coyotes with pointed sticks!
He's a friggin' HERO if you ask me?
Its nothing new up here the archery guys do it every year from tree blind no calling. Guess many need a hero to look apon.
XP-100, shotty, 17 cal, 224 cal, 6mm cal., dog, 22 pistol. Kills at less than 40 yards never gave me a hard on but to each his own.
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posted July 04, 2024 07:00 AM
If you talk to animals, they will talk with you and you will know each other.
If you do not talk with them, you will not know them. And what you do not know, you will fear.
What one fears one destroys...
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posted July 04, 2024 10:48 AM
Dr. Doolittle or Cleveland Amory ???? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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posted July 04, 2024 11:32 AM
go brush up on coyotes vocals or maybe just get a dog then figure it out
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posted July 04, 2024 11:40 AM
Calling a coyote up close isn't necessarily to awful hard but to slay one with a pionty stick has my admiration. I have used my pistols a bunch of times on coyotes. When a coyote is within 50 yards from a sitting position with a pistol isn't that hard if the yellow eyed bastard holds still enough to check your sights. I have shot more than a few with my old sillywet pistols all the way out to 150 yards. But than again,I know the gun(s) all open sights. I believe Vic could no doubt back that up as I am sure he has done the same with a pistol.
But with a pointy stick, and a mouth call and not some overpriced e-caller set up alla ambush where the coyote isn't focused on you but that e-caller. Can't be an easy thing to do even if you are an accomplished archer. And volume to me never mattered to me anyways.Wail on that call and they come on in. Wimper on the call has the same results for me at least. If that coyote is gonna co-operate you just do your part and it's lights out for ol Wiley. Not to be bragging but from a good sitting position I have hit many coyotes out past 200 with a rifle without the aid of those funky shooting sticks people seem to need to use now a days. Just learn to shoot those four shooting positions and you should be good to go.
And let that coyote come on in instead of getting all twitterpated and excited believing just because that sucker hung up on you out a few hundred yards you need to rush your shot and no doubt jerk the trigger and shoot a whole in the dirt. Nothing really that hard.But with a poity stick ! Just can't be too easy.
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posted July 04, 2024 11:45 AM
If the planets aren't lined up and the moon is full and there is a storm brewing and the wind is howling and its a downpour ....MAY affect your calling outcome. Then, maybe not.
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posted August 24, 2024 10:17 AM
OK, my next challenge to prove my salt is to pistol shoot a coyote, but I think I will use an AR15 type pistol with at least a 20 or 30 rd mag... laff'n, just shaking the bush Boss, shaken the bush.
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posted August 24, 2024 10:56 AM
Ah yes, an AR type pistol. I have heard of them but the concept is so narrow in definition that to me, they seem more like a AR15 without the back part or with some gimmicky looking contraption. I think that ATF has a point just in classification, but it's no reason to outlaw the damned things.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted August 24, 2024 11:03 AM
Been wanting one with an arm brace since f troop banned them, Now I believe they are legal again, not sure so I am waiting.
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posted August 25, 2024 11:44 AM
I tried hunting coyotes for the first time when I was stationed at 29 Palms,CA, back in the 80's. Had no knowledge about the sport and frankly didn't do all that great. But had some fun. Since I have been going to AZ regularly, I only hunt the fall/winter.
I bet everyone here has called them in at all hours of the day or night, but IMO it usually is at it's slowest from 1000-1500hrs for you military time keepers. And similar to Vic I prefer Nov to end of Jan. there and in Missouri.
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posted August 25, 2024 02:19 PM
It's ok if some of you guys stick to right smack dab in the zone, but I have a more open mind. Calling when it's hot is a lot different and you guys can turn up your nose but I find it just different. And.
Here's the thing. I can't explore during prime season. I have hunted in several western states and it must be done before it gets cooler.
I once spent my vacation, in July, hunting way up in northern Nevada. Stayed in old abandoned mining cabins and scouted some prime stuff. I kept track of where I saw cats and went back in late October and killed 5 bobcat in places where they had their own little mountain since four months previous.
Of course, the scouting trip in July required about 9 or 10 days, so it was concentrated in October to one long night.
Maybe it's not for everybody, especially like Victor who has lived in prime stuff for decades and already knows exactly where to go, and I've heard him talk about 85% stands. So, hat's off to a man that knows his country!
What about us city folk? Yes, it is true that when I was in my twenties, we could drive to the Puente Hills 10 miles away and shoot. Not a lot of game, but there were Mountain Quail and Dove and a few cottontails. This was 22 and shotgun, no rifle or pistol but it was a good refuge. Now, houses. <sigh>
Anyway, we have always hunted coyotes for more like 8-9 months of the year, just knocking off for denning season.
I don't think a lot of you guys are familiar with neighboring states as I am. Historically, I have hunted weekends, about 500/600 miles from home. From Friday night, just off work to Sunday evening, dog tired. Once a month, dark of the moon.
That would be 74 years, without let up, but there were some slack. There's no getting around the miles chocked up. I've done Wyoming on a weekend. Ive done Oregon on a weekend, I've done New Mexico and Texas on a weekend. I've done Sonora, Chihuahua and Baja on a week end. Sometimes, I could do a weeks vacation for myself and another week or two with the family. So, I'd usually go deer hunting in Utah or Colorado for a week, public land, but also northern California which has very good Mule Deer along the eastern Sierra, but CA F&G does their damnedest to make it as difficult as possible and that's why it's always been easier to drive out of state.
Nevada has not always been a good big game state. It is now, great Mule deer and Elk but that's been the situation the past 25-30 years or so.
That's the problem with all these states with their preference points, which are mostly a fraud. Same with the Primitive and black powder bullshit. They just keep inventing ways to fuck over rifle hunters!
That is a result of Anti Hunting Game and Fish Departments. They do not want hunters killing off "their" wildlife. And, they have succeeded in discouraging all but the very hardcore, or they put their wife in for a sheep tag, or similar.
Is there any reason why hunter's numbers are down everywhere? Of course! They might as well just hang a sign on the door: HUNTERS-GO AWAY!
This is, Of Course, why there is such an increase in interest in hunting predators. There is far less bullshit involved, than in submitting an application for 6 1/2 days in November. And, it's also why the predator hunting sucks just about everywhere, too many people with FoxPros and no skill.
Make no mistake, the Fish and Game Commission in practically every state is populated with Anti hunters. The people that set seasons and bag limits, and the same with the Wardens and Biologists in the field. At one time, a game warden might give you a hint, a tip or a clue about where to go but now they are more inclined to outright lie about game, & where they are! They are not on your side, that's for damned sure!
Good hu....(never mind!
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