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Topic: The death of a legit college education
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Leonard
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posted June 25, 2026 12:06 PM
Yes, I just heard a statistic that across the board, in colleges and universities, a diploma is meaningless. Professors hand out A’s for minimum effort. 80% of all grades are A’s, you can graduate with a degree having done anything or having learned anything!
This means it will only get worse, future professors will be unqualified. Now, it’s all political indoctrination! Is it any wonder that so many WOKE, Socialists and various radicals with their own agenda are strutting around and mouthing off!
What is this world coming to? It does not look good. For quite a while, a good licensed trade will take you farther than a worthless, meaningless college degree. I am quite sure that college graduate IQ in 2026 is far below an average 1960’s high school student’s diploma. Hell, now, thanks to cell phones, they can’t read, write or add a collumn of numbers. But, they can still text, so there’s that.
And, they do not know how historically they are under educated. There’s even an algorithm for that. Like the say, in a world of the blind, a one eyed man is King!
Is anybody concerned? Civilization is at stake. Or, fuck it!
El Bee 🐝
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Kokopelli
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posted June 25, 2026 02:04 PM
It's even worse than you state. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
They 'Graduate' with no life skills that will actually earn a decent wage but they have a ton of student loan debt ......... making them easy prey for those chanting the Socialist Mantra, tax the rich, forgive student loans, everything's free, on and on.
The fact remains that a Trade School education is worth more than most college degrees, with the possible exception of a couple of business courses to start your own business ......... based on your trade experience.
>>>>-------> Words to live by; Today's slaves are not in chains...... They're in debt.
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NVWalt
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posted June 25, 2026 04:17 PM
I am really glad that I am old enough to just not give a shit anymore. I get my blood pressure up just watching TV. And I don't mean by the FOX girls.The garbage they spew about STUPID people is what does it. But, I do thank God everyday I keep sucking air and passing gas.And speaking of God, You know we are a given nation and people should come to know that.
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Leonard
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posted June 25, 2026 05:48 PM
This most recent generation is….what’s the word? They are the most pampered, with never any pressure beyond their participation trophy. Connected their whole life via FaceBook and an iphone, Google anything the need or just want to know, and after their curiosity is satisfied, they will immediately forget what it was and why they cared about it.
I’m from a generation that strived towards an “A” and sometimes earned it. Teachers these days are intimidated and expected to pass “Junior” or the principle or administrator will alter any grade that doesn’t meet the sheltered brat’s expectations. They all think they are somehow SPECIAL.
This work of LIBERAL philosophy is unsustainable, a literal House of Cards!
More than likely, all these kids will need some type of mental health rescue. Look for a lot more school massacres! Run up the score, then OFF themselves! And the IDIOT TUBE performers will wring their hands and call for more gun control!
El Bee 🐝
edit: yes, the little darlings will kill their parents and think nothing of it. After all, they let him, or her, or it- down!
[ June 25, 2026, 05:51 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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TA17Rem
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posted June 27, 2026 01:24 PM
Not sure its meaningless, can't get a good paying job without one. right now nursing school is big thing, big demand for them.
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Leonard
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posted June 28, 2026 11:52 AM
If what you say is true, then I would just create a fake Diploma. Might as well be from a first tier school, I dono, Oxford, Yale, anything but Harvard; (too WOKE)
Yes, a degree in nursing is supposed to be a very good start. What I hear is that nurses pretty much run the hospitals, doctors seldom cross them. I don’t know, a charge nurse carries a bunch of weight.
I know a lot of men are in nursing, but it still feels like a girl’s job. Like police officer indicated a man, but the shameful thing is that women and minorities will always get the promotions. AND THAT SUCKS!
El Bee 🐝
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Kokopelli
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posted June 28, 2026 02:00 PM
Not to brag ............ But;
My Granddaughter is a Trauma Care Nurse at the Ventura Hospital. She worked her ass off to get where she's at and the whole family is kinda proud of her. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted June 28, 2026 02:24 PM
I got few nurses here in family as well, one or two of them basically a doctor and a few lessor. One is a Vet tech. and another is a full time first responder. some work in nursing homes and one of them manages a nursing home. Have a nephew that works some sort of covered stuff for Gov. in drug enforcement and what not.
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JoeF
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posted June 28, 2026 04:28 PM
Employers are starting to strongly recognize the current indoctrination that has been substituted for an education. I have heard and read from several sources that the Ivy League school sheepskins that were once "gold" are now being shunned.
Full disclosure, I raised/helped pay for the education of 3, in order: 1.) Evil Banker 2.) Doctor 3.) Research scientist.
They have been out of school for years, but if I had a 4th today he'd be heading to a tech school of some sort. I'd steer him in to an industrial instrumentation and controls education which is a field where I finished out the last 16 years of my working life. I warped an electronics education in to that field and finished out specializing in regulatory mandated environmental instrumentation and controls. I ended making fair money but where I'd steer a young person would be to the traveling/commissioning work like people who I worked with in the end who reported gross incomes in the $375k range - that out in the middle of a freaking midwestern corn field. That's some big midwestern dollars.
The schedule would be tough, but my ideal would be to graduate, work traditional jobs for 3-5 years to obtain a couple of critical certifications and gain some experience, then travel for 5-7 years rat-holing every penny you could, then get a job like I had in a freaking cornfield somewhere, pay cash for a chunk of land, build your own lake, and sail on out from there.....
I have a nephew that is just a few years out of a lineman's school and he is making $$$ that makes my daughter-in-law DVM growl. And he is probably debt free.
My 3 are debt free - that is largely thanks to my technical occupation and their nurse Mom - nursing being generally considered a techie type occupation/education, too. She was a diploma'd nurse who later did the adult ed thing and got a BSN and then a Master's in healthcare admin - key point, she got her start in a diploma program, not a 4 year basket weaving degree. I hope the 3 realize the relative jump start we were able to provide them.....
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JoeF
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posted June 29, 2026 11:59 AM
Al Jazeera USA/TNN (Terrorist News Network) is running a special on this very topic today.
They have two typical AJ USA/TNN liberal US guests trying their best to trash the USA while downplaying the pending collapse of higher education in the USA. Worth watching, even with the liberal bent. It'll probably play for a couple of days.
Of note: USA unemployment is about 4%. The unemployment rate of recent college grads is at 5.7% and skyrocketing thanks to the advent of AI.
Lots of other subject matter worth watching if one has an interest.
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Kokopelli
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posted June 29, 2026 02:33 PM
So, what would the unemployment rate be for recent Trade School grads ????
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Leonard
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posted June 29, 2026 07:05 PM
I don’t know where that places my son? He is a very skilled machinist. His problem, although he doesn’t understand it as a problem, is that he works contracts that might be a year or six months and he has to relocate, He has been in New Hampshire, North and south Carolina, Mississippi, Tennessee, Illinolis, and Kentucky. Hourly and per deim. I see it as dead end, but when the next job pays a buck or two more, I can’t get through to him that staying put and maybe getting a retirement rather than depending on his 401k. This guy is very skilled, he does atom bomb type programs, 5 axis machines that cannot be exported. But it’s all dependent on government contracts, oh yeah, I forgot about the aircraft carrier job working on that electromagnetic launch system. He’s skilled but I don’t think he has much to show for it, plus I’ve only seen him once in the last ten years. Oh, forgot Colorado! But, talk about hard headed! Can’t tell this dude what he already knows. Know the type?
El Bee 🐝
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JoeF
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posted June 29, 2026 08:20 PM
Koko - I don't know an honest well grounded number, but if a guy wants to work it has to be near zero, that based on two things:
1.) I left the electronics/communications industry in 2008 due to working in an industry that went the way of the dinosaur and a personal commitment to remain rural. The 1st job I took in the industrial worllld had been open for 3 years due to no qualified applicants.
I left that in 2016 for a different job that had been open for 2 years for the same reason.
Full disclosure - no qualified applicants willing to live in a cornfield.
While I was in this job, and to this day, the lion's share of the employees, and certainly the best qualified employees, are well educated technicians out of Trinidad and Tabago here on temporary work visas. These are guys out of the oil, liquid natural gas, and fertilizer industries that have largely collapsed on their home islands.
They are so well trained that they make a guy like me look about as dumb as a rock - and I'm pretty good at what I used to do!
US high schoolers just are not taking/being steered to the techie route and I could write a book on how stupid US industry is for not growing their own - I've fought that for years, even formally with area employers and juco's till blue in the face.
2.) Drop back getting close to 50 years when I graduated from DeVry and they had some crazy placement rate like 98% within 30 or 60 days. I accepted my 32nd or 33rd job offer the day after I graduated. The advertised placement rate is lower or not used today, but I can tell you that having worked as a hiring manager the competition for the good grads is still intense.
One of the big problems is that industry and tech schools have focused on the automation/robotics gig to a fault.
Interestingly, one of the Al jazeera guests I mentioned earlier was addressing the impact of AI on grad employment and he stated that US schools and industry are making the same mistake they did with factory automation - a quick sharp focus and a flood of 1/2 baked graduates when they should be focusing on a more generalized long haul.
There are only a handful of tech schools today that offer a good industrial instrumentation and analytical program.
Most schools and businesses think they want an "electrician".
That used to piss me off to no end, here I sit working on instrumentation like gas chromatographs adn mass spectrometers used to ensure compliance with EPA and DNR regs and you just called me an electrician!!!!
Get that instrumentation tech school behind you, hire in to industry at a place that will send you for the specialized training for something like a gas chromatograph, hit a couple of key certifications, then play the field.
My problem is that I didn't switch until I was in my 50's and was unwilling to travel or deal with the schedule.
I could coach a prospective young grad or write a book......
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JoeF
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posted June 29, 2026 08:32 PM
LB, it sounds like your son has done about like I have advocated, except for the part where I'd do it for about 5-7 years and then get out.
Primarily because of the schedule and frequent relocation.
I consider it a young single man's game but I know some guys my age - mid to late 60's - who are still running the oil refinery, LNG, and fertilizer plants doing the traveling gig.
Guys with adult children and a wife somewhere working 7 days a week 12 hours a day who, as contract employees, aren't subject to some of the work hour limitations the rest of us are.
How much money do you really need?
Then, time off is critical to me - I work to live, I do not live to work!
...... and how on earth would they ever find time to coyote hunt? ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted July 02, 2026 08:35 PM
n addition to his hourly, they are giving him $800 a week as a perdeum although I don’t know if that’s the word used? So I don’t know how many hours he works per week, and I have never asked him how much they are paying per hour.
But it’s not building a retirement, and he’s 60 years old. All he says is he can’t retire. Seems a shame. I retired at 61.5 and by prob crooked means, I was able to pay COBRA insurance until I was 65 and qualified for MEDICARE. When that happened they swore I was an employee, and I suspect there was something sneaky going on at the Operating Engineers in D.C. Anyway, it worked out for me, I get the small pension to supplement social security.
But with my kid, he was no company retirement benefits at all. I worry about that. Saving? You must be joking! His wife has no work income history at all. None that I know of?
I think his plan is to get my house, but the will stipulates that it be put on the market.And, sold. That would leave him out since he has been “working on his credit” for a long time.
LB 🐝
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