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Leonard
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posted April 22, 2026 07:22 AM
You guys need to start sounding off, when you get a chance. No sense letting the site wither away more than it already has. I’m just as guilty, I’m well aware. But if you have something to say, spit it out. I’m available for consultations. Reasonable rates.
I am waiting. LB 🐝
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posted April 22, 2026 12:16 PM
Ok ................
Assuming normal hygiene, a gentle steady breeze, and no vehicle involved ........ how far downwind would a coyote need to be to not smell the hunter and become spooked ????
Inquiring minds want to know.
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TA17Rem
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posted April 22, 2026 08:22 PM
Lets say 3-5 telephone poles give or take with what temp.s are at time. and toss little humidity in as well or low air current,
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posted April 23, 2026 03:45 AM
I'm in and out here. Busy with rehab on the left shoulder.
Going to chiropractor for dry needling. Other half started it.
Seeing good results with his neck. Mine is left shoulder muscles that have been tied up in knots.
Now dealing with cold weather and trying to get the garden plants going. Crazy spring so far.
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Kokopelli
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posted April 23, 2026 05:24 AM
Wow !!! ............ I haven't heard pole distance since Grand-Pa was alive. So, how far apart are the telephone poles in Mini-Soda ????
All this month we have had no weather; Just wind. Seems like it's been non-stop.
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posted April 23, 2026 08:17 AM
Let me change the subject for a sec.
First, my daughter, (I have but one) Everybody needs a daughter, they are so….useful, and necessary, the more isolated you become. She has had two of her school chums call on me, unannounced, both bearing food. To tide me over with the recent death in the family. Tillie.
Funny, both of them live within about 6 blocks of me. So why isnmy daughter 430 miles away and my son is near Chicago? Good question!
Anyway, the husband of my daughter’s classmate, they were both standing and chatting in my driveway yesterday late afternoon. The husband said that he teaches at West Covina high School and I tried to remember a husband of my daughter’s friend that she worked with who was a pilot and taught at West Covina high school, and his name escaped me for a bit, but it was Ed Santee and he taught Wood shop. So this gentleman said: (now get this)
“Oh, they don’t teach SHOP classes any more!”
Has it come to that? When I was in the public school system, I had brief introductions to Print shop, Drafting, Wood Shop, and I think that’s about all? But, our progressive education system has discarded those “Craft” classes, and another little item that bothers the hell out of me; teaching the written language, called,
“Cursive”!
Imagine young adults being required to sign their name, printed in BLOCK LETTERS? They think, in this Digital Age, computers and smart phones, there is no need to teach students to read and write!
I have been feeling like a dinosaur for at least half of my life. Imagine, there is no longer a reason to teach kids to read or write? They have You Tube videos, after all. There is knowledge that has been discarded. Now, any question is answerd by Googling! In fact, I was talking to my grandson yesterday, and became aware that every subject that came up, turned out that he was googling it as we spoke. Completely ignorant, when first mentioned and next thing you know, he had a working knowledge of the fundamental's of what I was talking about.
Such is the state of society these days. Now we have a fucking smart phone that kids use to discover information, besides having storage to take perhaps hundreds of photos a day. They cannot comprehend dropping off film at the drug store to be developed!
Is this progress? Maybe so, but then the discard Wood shop! How quaint!
LB
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TA17Rem
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posted April 23, 2026 04:37 PM
double strand poles are roughly 90 yards apart. A pole with multiple strands (3-6) is at 100 yards roughly.
during fox sniping days you spot a fox then drive a west to east road and then north to south and counted poles then you had good idea of distance for a shot or how far from road it was. too far for a shot then you could also plan the shortest walk in depending on how bad weather was and then check the poles to see how close you got for a shot. pretty reliable. Most sections here also one mile square and divided up into quarters with a fence line running up middle from both directions so you knew where half mile was.
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posted April 23, 2026 05:28 PM
They did away with wood shop & I'm guessing auto shop as well ???
Mayhap due to liability insurance issues ???? Or just WOKE B.S.
The Hell of it is that kids that sometimes didn't have a lot going for them could DO SOMETHING with their hands that they could be damn proud of. My woodshop chess board might not have been perfect but it was a cherished item for years until lost in a cross country move.
Shop classes were a stepping stone toward Trade Schools and if anybody thinks that's lightweight, last month I had a plumber charge me $60 bucks just to pull into my driveway. Everything else was extra. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
So ........... roughly 300 to 500 yards downwind. I would have thought a bit more. Might depend on how pressured the coyote has been, too.
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TA17Rem
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posted April 23, 2026 06:07 PM
Not sure but what I'm seeing is about 1/4 mile give or take but depends on coyote and how it reacts to it and if it throws up a caution flag or not. Had some right in the middle of my scent cone but still kept coming. This year I been finding a lot of coyotes either bedding down in a farmer's grove or hunting it so I'm sure they know the smell of a human but long as farmer didn't mess with them then no fear from the human scent from what I can see.
We didn't get many warm nights like last year as I wanted to try misting on them or have a big rag soaked with urine and then lay it on the road downwind from my stand and see how they react.
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posted April 23, 2026 06:08 PM
I’m thinking, one of my grandson’s, what year did he graduate? Damn, don’t know? But he graduated from Upland High School, as did my son graduate from high school I think in 1982. What am I getting at? Just that my grandson, Aaron, we still have a couple pieces of pottery around here that he made in, whatever class they call it where they have a pottery wheel? So, maybe 20 years ago. And I also have a bookcase. he made in wood shop. So Upland. high school had shop classes 20/25 years ago. That was probably before smart phones. With smart phones, who needs wood shop?
In spite of all this progress, and You Tube, I do not think the world is a vastly better place. Countomg distance in telephone poles, in rural Minneesota? moderately advanced compared to Mississippi.
Signature signed in BLOCK LETTERS….that’s progress!
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posted April 23, 2026 06:13 PM
Not sure but what I'm seeing is about 1/4 mile give or take but depends on coyote and how it reacts to it and if it throws up a caution flag or not. Had some right in the middle of my scent cone but still kept coming. This year I been finding a lot of coyotes either bedding down in a farmer's grove or hunting it so I'm sure they know the smell of a human but long as farmer didn't mess with them then no fear from the human scent from what I can see.
We didn't get many warm nights like last year as I wanted to try misting on them or have a big rag soaked with urine and then lay it on the road downwind from my stand and see how they react.
I did a check on my old school. they do arts and crafts now with things made from wood or plastics or plaster. computer skills along with extra science classes like CSI.
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posted April 23, 2026 10:52 PM
Tim, my boy. Your usage of the term: “Scent Cone” is grossly misleading. I have observed visible scent many times. Scent does NOT spread out on a cone, at all!
Scent carried along with a breeze looks very much like a ribbon. It waifs along with the breeze and does not expand laterally, and high and low. Not at all, in my observation. Actually kind of interesting, it snakes along with the air currents, and the best description I can think of is like a satin ribbon. But scent holds together amazingly well as a narrow snaky ribbon. No cones, no shit!
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posted April 24, 2026 01:47 AM
actually, it's smaller than a ribbon, more like a string and goes right into the coyote's nose.
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posted April 24, 2026 02:15 AM
When it comes to 'The Scent Cone' I think that I can definitely say, without a doubt, ......... it depends.
On more than a few of my stands (daytime) the wind is just plain squirrely. If it starts out coming from due North, it may shift to coming from the North West for a bit and then shift to coming from the North East for a bit.
So ....... the ribbon-like scent stream is being moved like a flashlight beam being scanned back and forth, either hitting the coyote directly or leaving little scent micro-bobs on the grass & leaves as it passes ........ in a cone like pattern.
How the coyote reacts to all of this is up to the coyote. I've had them come in from straight downwind after serious scent control rituals, other times when really needing a bath after several days of hunting, and a few times (long ago) while smoking a cigarette. Downwind. Go figure.
As far as daytime misting goes, I've been known to use it with the attitude 'If it don't hurt, it can't hurt'........ until the shifting wind blows a big cloud of it back into my face and I do my Bill The Cat imitation. "Ack ack cough ack"
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posted April 24, 2026 09:41 AM
My observations are based on specific conditions. For instance, I almost always hunt with a new moon, because, obviously, a coyote can see you backlit, with any kind of illumination. So, consider it is dark as a well diggers ass when I’m using a red light and I introduce scent and I can follow it downwind, it is a visible presence carried by the current. It’s a bit remarkable to watch it float along, gliding past boulders and tree trunks. It’s like tossing a ping pong ball into a stream. It does not bump into the bank, port and starboard. It follows a path, pushed by the current, but it doesn’t split in halves and quarters as it goes its merry way.
Unfortunate to be aware, if you don’t hunt at night. illuminated by the spotlight, you can follow it as if it’s a solid presence, actually watch it as it flows through the vegetation, and coating everything it bumps in to. You can see the exact point of the compass as a coyote circles. He won’t stop 3 degrees off wind direction, he will screech to a halt when he gets downwind and not a degree sooner.
So if you are thinking he might stop to sample your scent sorta generally, approximately downwind, you are mistaken. He will stop exactly downwind and not sooner, as if that scent cone is spreading out and he might walk through your scent for 30-40 feet, smelling you but continuing to circle until he gets exactly downwind.
I don’t know what to tell you? Downwind is downwind. that’s where he gets your scent, not sorta downwind, he will be stopping exactly downwind. And why is that? because your scent is not being dispersed in a cone shape, it follows a disciplined line, like a ribbon, a rather narrow ribbon, actually.
Consider truth as you will, and as it suits you. Just give my theory a bit of thought. not that it matters much in the daytime. AS ko ko has mentioned, a coyote might approach a stand from directly downwind, in spite of theory. Sometimes a thermal or a terrain feature can cause your scent to rise above where a coyote is standing. That alone should cause you to question the “CONE” theory.
But, I do not wish to change opinions, we are just talking. And perhaps thinking.
LB 🐝
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posted April 24, 2026 11:07 AM
I have a yard fogger it can tell you same thing on what wind is doing with it and how it flows.
I know if the light breeze is sort of going in all directions so is the fog. Right at sunset after warm day there will be a air current that runs just few inches off the ground and carries the fog either in your ribbon form or more like a blanket. the breeze or current is so light you need to be wearing shorts or bare foot to feel it.
Then you get a night when wind is whipping you from all directions and the fog just sort of scatters/falls apart. And then throw in a wind with a up draft the fog lifts off the ground and just goes up and breaks apart.
Always wanted to try my yard fogger when temps are colder and see how it goes.
But anyway, it's a ribbon or it can also be a cone or a certain spot where the ribbon is going to hit and yes it's going to be down wind in that cone shaped area. off to one side of that cone or in middle someplace.
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posted April 24, 2026 12:25 PM
Ok Tim .............. Your homework assignment for the summer is to rinse out that yard fogger (really well), hook up a garden sprayer two gallon tank and rig a motorcycle battery to power the thing. Fill it with your favorite Magic Mist formula and get ready to patent this contraption. This could be THE NEW THING !!!! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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posted April 24, 2026 12:49 PM
Can't help this. It has been MY experience that if that yellow eyed bastard got downwind of you!!! Your BUSTED. Just a little experience along that vain. LOL Maybe I am wrong?
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posted April 24, 2026 12:58 PM
I was outside of Austin NV on hwy 50. Saw a young looking coyote out mousing around. Dirt road real close but wind blowing right at this coyote. Drove off 50 yards. stopped, sat in truck and blew on call and she starts coming my way from maybe 200 yards out What the hell I am thinking. That stupid coyote came to within 30 yards of me sitting in the truck blowing that whistle with the wind in its face with my wonderful oder all over it and decided to turn around and walk off. So I grabbed the little 17 and got out of the truck and got into a sitting position and Texas heart shot it at about 70 yards.
I figured it needed to be culled out. Little years pup, female and dumb as a rock.
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posted April 24, 2026 02:53 PM
Koko the fogger has a bowl for it you fill with chemical. A Lp. canister is attached for heat. There is a big copper coil the chemical flows through by pumping a small button and turns to a fog.
[URL=https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LT&pq=yard+fog&sk=CSYN1MT2&sc=9-8&pglt=299&q=yard+fogger+for+mosquitoes&cvid=6ff8b08d1ce24fc19816f87976791d16&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIAxAAGEAyBggAEE UYOTI]https://www.bing.com/search?qs=LT&pq=yard+fog&sk=CSYN1MT2&sc=9-8&pglt=299&q=yard+fogger+for+mosquitoes&cvid=6ff8b08d1ce24fc19816f87976791d16&gs_lcrp=EgRlZGdlKgYIAxAAGEAyBggAE EUYOTI[/URL] GCAEQABhAMgYIAhAAGEAyBggDEAAYQ
I think if you mix coyote urine with some water you can make a fogger out of it or find a oily chemical that don't have much smell to it and mix together. I have two foggers so perhaps I can get one set up for urine and try that with little water, if don't work maybe skunk essence needs be added as it has oily base to it.. fish oil?
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posted April 24, 2026 03:34 PM
This could be huge !!!!
Mount that contraption on your truck, drive around your hunting area a few times and call coyotes that are sniffing each other's butt's trying to figure out who cut the cheese.
Endless uses for such a device !!!
Someone following your truck at night with the Brights blinding you ?? ..... Fog 'em.
A house with a Join PETA sign in the yard ?? ..... Fog 'em.
Panhandlers on the street corner ?? .... Fog 'em.
You may need to set up Franchise Licensing.
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posted April 24, 2026 05:26 PM
Serious question about an inconsequential subject depending, what the hell is a fogger used for?
Walt, I have been through Austin many times. It is right on the Continental Divide. It’s one place in Nevada where I might see a Gray Fox. When I think of Gray Fox, they are most common in Arizona. You might see Kit Fox or maybe some call them Swift Fox, southern Nevada and southern Utah.
So, I’m on a flight from Amsterdam to LAX via the Polar Route. Actually, this was a KLM flight and they have screens showing the route; now we are over Scotland, now we are over Iceland, and so forth. A little later, they announced that we were passing a certain Beacon over Austin, Nevada. Maybe it’s like those Omni direction finders for pilots? But, if you want to see endless stretches of tundra and freeking wilderness, this is the Canadian Northwest territories. Endless water and islands, I can’t imagine hiking it without a kayak. Hundreds of miles, no civilization. But this flight over the north Pole is guiding on Austin, Nevada….and of course, I had to announce, to all around me that I had been there; and it ain’t much, I think one gas station, one convenience store, one Cafe.
No big deal.
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posted April 24, 2026 06:15 PM
Amsterdam ????? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
An Asian massage parlor in Tucson would have been a LOT simpler.
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posted April 24, 2026 08:31 PM
Between flights, all we did, my wife and I, was take a tour of the canals in a rediculously long and narrow boat. This thing had to back up and pull forward about 4 times to enter another canal.
I just thought of something. While on this mini cruise, I casually asked a man next to me what time it was? He told me and I just about freaked out! for sure, I thought I was going to miss my flight! But, the fellow passenger, European of some type, his watch apparently was set for local time. That was different than that we had 6 hours to kill befor our connecting flight. Anyway, we had plenty of time, but I was quite concerned until we got off the boat.
ko ko, what do you do in Amsterdam? Is it legal? My impression of Amsterdam’s is bicycles, bicycles, bicycles! The canals are lined with virtual wall to wall bike racks, and they are all filled. All the houses are 4 story and you can’t slip a playing card between houses. Every house has like a A frame on the roof for hauling furniture to the upper levels, apparently instead of walking pianos up the stairs? Also many people live on boats tied to the bank, which aren’t moved because of all the moss growing on the hulls, they look like people live permantly on these “bumper to bumper”boats.
That’s all I learned about Amsterdam, you have a more colorful knowledge, I think?
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posted April 24, 2026 09:10 PM
I only know what I've heard.............
But before there was Epstein Island, there was (and still is) Amsterdam.
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