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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2026, 12:23 PM:
You know how fucked up Liberals are? This article tries to explain the unexplainable and why Leftists are actually evil, since 7 years old! There’s no solution, no conversion, No sense in trying to talk to them, literally, a lost cause!
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2026/02/yes_leftists_are_evil_here_s_how_they_got_that_way_and_why_you_ll_never_change_them.html
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2026, 06:41 AM:
I dunno ...........
That liberals have a malfunction in their mental make up, there can be no doubt. The article tries to over simplify something that is pretty complex. It posits that 'As the twig is bent, so grows the tree' but there can still be a lot of other factors, good or bad in a child's life after age seven. A teacher or a mentor or a gang banger in the high school years could all be an influence either way. Same with peer groups in college. Maybe more so.
And ........ who's to say that the military hasn't changed a few young men ???
Just too many factors between rational adults that can think for themselves and the raving residents of Mini-Soda protesting the removal of murderers and rapists.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2026, 11:33 AM:
What fucked me up, growing up in Minni soda, was walking to school, a mile, uphill, both ways! And the Nuns! Sister Rufina! Father Roan. A child doesn’t forget these things, As I was standing close to the altar one morning, this black which came through a side door and immediately accused me of stealing from the offerings. Just me and her, I head faked and scooted between her hairy legs and out the door before she could get the cuffs on me.
Sister Rufina was maybe 5’ 1” and well fed, but she was the closest to jolly oof any of them and the only name I remember, from the 4th grade. We studied Catechism every day, of course, and penmanship, which I must have failed. Imagine these days, they don’t bother teaching Cursive? Signing documents and checks in block letters must be tiresome, but IDK?
I have to say, the food was very good, lunch was 25 cents, a sizable amount in those days, that sum would buy 5 Snicker’s. The tactic of teaching with the ever present wooden ruler was quite effective! A rap across the knuckles on a chilly morning was savage….and why didn’t they ever wack the girls? Forced to learn, I might have been 2 grades advanced when I started public school in Jr. high school. Those Nuns made you learn the basics, or you’d be sorry. Maybe it wasn’t as bad as I remembered? Both my parents also went to Parochial school, so I never had a choice. Their methods are brutal, but effective. I believe these days it’s called corporal punishment? And they still had time for some religion indoctrination; never to be forgotten.
Down Memory Lane with El Bee
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2026, 12:36 PM:
While I think that the Catholic Schools turn out better students overall, I'm not a fan of the church for a few reasons. Not the least of which was seeing a Priest refuse to Baptize a sinner because they weren't Catholic. Just one more reason for the appeal of the Old Gods to me.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2026, 06:39 PM:
Koko Baptists are same way..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 17, 2026, 08:21 PM:
I have a very hard time believing that account? Not only that, but I can even baptize somebody, provisionally, if it is presumed that the injured person has not been baptized and they may be near death.
No I’ve never done it, but that is my understanding of the guidelines of the Catholic faith. I can’t imagine a priest refusing a request, never heard of it?
But, again, it’s an odd scenario, to me it sounds bogus? As far as I know, there is no provision when a person is requesting baptism, that they are asked to state their denomination? It’s not a protestant or orthodox or Roman Catholic category, it is a Christian thing.
The dogma is that every one is born with original sin on their soul. You cannot reach salvation unless you are baptized which the purpose of it is to ensure the soul is saved. I can’t imagine a Catholic priest denying baptism to anyone in a critical condition and facing death.
I dunno, but it doessn’t sound true, from a Roman Catholic perspective? But, I’m hardly an authority, I only had Catechism instructions through the 6 th grade, but it was the legit Latin Mass era, etceteras.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: My understanding is this; Baptism is an essential Sacrament but it doesn’t matter if the person was baptized in a Protestant ceremony or Catholic. AS far as I know, according to my faith, the important thing is that someone, somewhere baptized this sinner, and to put it bluntly, that’s good enough. You do not need to be baptized in the Catholic faith for it to be effective, and I do not think you need to be re-baptized whenever you switch your church? Anyway, that’s my half baked understanding of the Sacrament of Baptism. For Catholics anyway, it’s important that you receive the Last Rights, when facing death. It’s one of the 7 Sacraments.
edit: also, it’s not only, or just pouring Blessed water, (called Holy Water) over the head. But the ritual also includes the words spoken:
“I baptize thee in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost” (and in an emergency, anyone can do this, and it can be any water that is available)
[ February 17, 2026, 08:45 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 18, 2026, 03:05 AM:
Or maybe beer?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 18, 2026, 06:57 AM:
Trust me on this one ......... Happened at a Catholic funeral. Priest had a bottle of Holy Water in his pocket. Refused to do the Baptism after the Service was over, but offered his Blessing.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2026, 12:24 PM:
I was at Babtist church in MO. with relatives. The pasture knew who we were and where we came from and talked shit during service and after when outside.
We were considered sinners/and the devils' children and we needed saving just because we were Lutherans.
We returned a year later, and I stayed outside in parking lot while others went inside. After service the pasture is outside and walks up to me and says oh I remember you. Then he ragged on me again about being Lutheran. I then told him Well at least we don't have to wear a handgun in church, and we don't talk trash about another person's religion...
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 18, 2026, 02:00 PM:
Somewhere ........ That Jesus fellow must be shaking his head and saying 'I got nailed to a cross for THIS bullshit ???'
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 18, 2026, 02:18 PM:
There are a lot of haters out there. My wife is LDS or Mormon whatever you prefer and I do know people that hate them as much as Jews. Go figure. But I do carry to church when she goes just because that is what a prudent boy scout should do.
I personally don't care for any of the organized religions but do support my wife and will put myself in harms way if I should have to deal with any garbage that wants to cause trouble.
We knock about these worthless politicos but that is easy, they are for the most part lying breathing self centered scum. But religious crap gets real nasty real fast. Like I said, there are a lot of haters out there.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 18, 2026, 07:34 PM:
ko ko
About your event where the priest refused to baptize. Can you elaborate a bit? Who was seeking the Sacrament? You are not talking about baptizing the deceased, are you? That wouldn’t float, at that point, it is too late, so I could understand why he would decline services. I’m not trying to make excuses, and these men are individuals and make decisions based on their own judgement.
The baptism rite is sometimes considered provisional, such as there could be a question as to whether or not the injured person cannot speak for their self.
Other than that; as you explain it, I can’t understand a reason why the priest would refuse? If you can explain the details, it might be helpful?
I hope we aren’t venturing into thin ice with this subject matter. People have their beliefs and tend to be rigid about things they assume but that may not be accurate. In other words, take Morman for instance. There are practices that outsiders will never accurately know and understand. Oh, like for instance, since we are talking about it, baptism and the practice of standing in for previous deceased. A high school friend of my wife used to do that regularly, I guess as a volunteer? take the place of a dead person and stand in for the departed soul. I hope I’m not misstating the facts?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: PS Walt, I don’t know that people “HATE” Mormons? I think a lot of people do not understand the faith. And, they do not go out of their way to enlighten the curious. It’s a closed society, I think?
[ February 18, 2026, 07:37 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 19, 2026, 07:29 AM:
It was a Catholic funeral: church service and then gravesite service, During the gravesite portion I noticed that the Priest used water from a bottle as part of the ritual.
After the service I asked the Priest if that was Holy Water and was assured that it was. At that point I told the Priest that my wife, who was with me, had never been Baptized and asked if he could do that then & there. His response was 'No, but he could give her his blessing'.
Later, at work I mentioned this to a woman that I knew was Catholic. Apparently if you're not Catholic you have to go thru some sort of Catechism first. I'm guessing that would involve a $ or two donation before it was over.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2026, 04:07 PM:
I would give the guy a break, in that scenario. I do not know this, but perhaps they expect you to make an appointment, it can be a bit of ceremony in the vestibule, normally on Saturday mornings, I think. I’m not a practicing Catholic and have not been since I got married to a non catholic in 1962. Anyway, I assume he did not offer a reason for the refusal, and it seems like a “bad” PR move, in my opinion.
But, instead of jumping him on the spot, if you had just posed the question concerning your interest ina baptismal, he would probably have given a reasonable explanation.
It’s unfortunate that the event has obviously bothered you for some time.
I will give you my understanding of the question. First, it’s not an off the cuff proposal. I think you would normally make an appointment and expect to be interviewed about your circumstances/history and so on. They may require a series of instructions which is a kind of casual interview one to one with the priest.
That was the procedure when I was married to a non Catholic in a Catholic ceremony, (in which the service is held outside of the altar, or below the altar) And there is a commitment that any children should be raised in the Catholic faith, and my wife agreed to that stipulation.
But, in any case, it’s not like applying for a driver’s license. I do not know if they have a schedule, but in the case of a wedding, the BEST MAN is expected to give the priest an offering in a discrete envelope.
So, the only experience I have had with baptism is with newborns, and that is a structured ceremony. You know, the whole family is involved.
I think you might have been expecting a casual event, but I think these things are scheduled no different than a dental appointment, and you get put on a list. There could be other conditions, with an adult and involving a conversion from one faith to another. That’s all I know and I could be wrong about all or any part of it.
It’s unfortunate that you have had “a problem” (your words) and rather than continuing with that attitude, I would ask someone with specific knowledge of procedures. Find out how it’s done. There’s no sense in feeling insulted for however long it has been bothering you. I totally get your attitude, but I think you owe it to yourself to ask about it, and find out if the guy was being a jerk or maybe you just caught him off guard. The Holy Water that is sprinkled on the casket iis a bit different than the fountain they normally use at a baptism, sort of a big bird bath where they dip a saucer and pour it across the top and back of the head. A hairdo is not very messed up, in the case of an adult female; but I’ve not witnessed it so I don’t know? But that’s a good guess.
I am a non practicing Catholic ever since the dropping of the Latin Mass, I’m not current and the last Mass I attended was when my wife died 20 years ago. But some of the details stick with you from when I was a kid. I do not have a grudge against the church, I just a non practicing parishoner. And lots has changed.
Good luck, I hope you look into it and have your doubts satisfied.
Good hunting. El Bee
[ February 19, 2026, 04:14 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 20, 2026, 09:24 AM:
Not a big deal; Just one more thing on a long list that convinced me that anything in the Christian Faith past 'The Golden Rule' is suspect.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 20, 2026, 11:52 AM:
I will comment on that statement. I have pondered the situation, and I have decided that the entire structure of the civilized world is based and revolves around Judeo/Christian values. The year marks 2026 years since the birth of Christ and everybody goes by it. There is no code of conduct based on Hindu, or Chinese culture, or the Druids. The 10 Commandments are the law of the land. Every kind and generous act is derived from Christian attitudes and beliefs. If there was guidelines based on any other culture besides Christianity, I am at a loss to guess what it is? Egyptian, the Mayans, Gengis kan, has any other code of conduct emerged, or is widely recognized as words to live by?
The Bible, the New Testament, that is pretty much a plan for modern civilization. It works as an instruction manual for civilized behavior. Where would we be without Christian values? Japan and China have a long and arguably valuable history, but the modern world operates on Christian orthodox guidelines. And, the ancient civilizations have come to accept Christian teachings as a universal code of conduct. When you think about it, where would we be without Christianity?
Have I missed something? Whether we accept the teachings of Christ or not, there is no other standard in existence. Even the English have gravitated from beheading their Kings. The French have given up their oxcarts and beheadings for structured civility and laws. China just goes along but their communism fails civilization. Even the Godless Russians have a strong orthodox faith for the masses.
I would challenge, explain for me, a vision of the world that is not based on Christianity? Even those of us that claim no organized religion will still want their fate decided by the mores and teachings of Christianity.
Comments?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 20, 2026, 07:15 PM:
" .......... no code of conduct ........"
Actually, most all of the major religions do.
The Hindus have the Bhagavad Gita & the Ethical Framework of the 10 Yamas (restraints) and the 10 Niyamas (practices).
The Chinese have Confucianism, Daoism, Buddhism, plus Yin-Yang & the I-Ching, to name a few. I hold the Yin-Yang in high esteem.
The Japanese; Shintoism, Buddhism, & Zen. And Kyudo
On the Pagan side, I'm currently reading 'The Words Of Odin' A new rendering of the Havamal, by Robin Artisson. Good stuff !!
And then there's Islam; No secret that I have little use for the Muslim faith. But, they do have the Quran, a reasonably valid Code of Ethics before the extremists took over.
So ................ Pick something that appeals to you, enjoy the sunrise with a cup of coffee (Juice if you're Mormon) and decide to do good things. In the evening enjoy the sunset with a drink of your choice and reflect on the day. Pretty simple, really.
>>>>--------> If you live where you can't see the sunrise or the sunset .......... Move !!!! I've said this before; the sunrise / sunset is the twinkle in God's Eye. Take a minute to appreciate it before they figure out how to tax it. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 20, 2026, 08:40 PM:
Well, I thought I acknowledged various past cultures and their values. We know there are things to admire about bushido and others of note, and while they offer some value, let’s face it, this is a Christian world, like it or not. Even the Chinese have learned to write their language using the English alphabet rather than chicken scratch. I heard that the Chinese typewriters contained more than 600 keys. All airlines and all airports converse in English, in Russia and China. Maybe not the Chinese military but their International airports, the pilots and the control towers communicate in English. I know that’s a bit off subject, but the same holds for all cultures at an International level. It’s a Christian world, even diehard countries, they piss and moan when they aren’t allowed entry to our banking system. WE pretty much control most commerce. And everybody follows the Gregorian Calendar since around the year 400BC. Anyway, that’s my opinion, for what it’s worth.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 20, 2026, 09:13 PM:
Is it the Christian Religion or the Yankee Dollar that the world follows ???? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 21, 2026, 03:24 AM:
And to think the only thing our God wanted for us to do is lead a good decent life and be kind towards each other. But the dollar bill and mens fantasies of power pretty much screwed things up.
KoKo you forgot Zoroastrianism in your extensive list of beliefs. Pretty much the precursor of mono theistic religions. All of them being very interesting.
How can one not be in total amazement when the dawn arrives and we get to enjoy another day on Gods Earth.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 21, 2026, 05:48 AM:
I omitted Zoroastrianism only because I'm not familiar enough with it to comment on it. All I really know about it is that it goes way back and that Freddie Mercury of Queen came from a family that practiced it.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2026, 10:26 AM:
i admit, never heard of that one, but I have heard of Freddie Mercury. I am a huge fan of Queen! The guy touring with the band these days is Adam Lambert and he is very good at least he performs most of their famous hits with a decent mimic of Freddie, I think he won American Idol one year? Or,if he didn’t, he should have.
So anyway, yes the world is run by the Yankee dollar, this is obvious. Are we the world’s policeman? I think that’s the case. And, from all indications, the commie world and Iran is paying attention since our guys demonstrated invincibility by taking Maduro prisoner after blacking out most of Caracas(?) and not losing a man. It was after using the deep penetrator to bury Iran’s nuclear ambitions. Yes, it required several million dollars worth of hardware, but who else can do that?
And, when you think on it for a minute or two, we passed on the opportunity to acquire the whole friggin’ world in 1945. Russia likes to think they defeated the Nazi’s all by theirselves. They forget that we gave them a lot of useful hardware, and all the commies never invented a damned thing, but they are good at stealing technology from the west.
I’m just saying, the United States has resources that the rest of the world lacks. For better or worse, it’s a Christian nation whether the citizens know it or not. It is better to be an American citizen than not, freedom has a different concept here than in China. I think free enterprise is the fuel to the engine. I wonder how long China and Russia, and Iran can survive?
Russia can thank their natural resources, specifically natural gas which is bringing hard currency into the country. China has only advanced since Nixon opened up trade with them and we and them have taken advantage of their cheap labor and consequently, they have benefitted from their Industrial, while our domestic industrial has withered. They can’t afford to build and/or fabricate bicycles or Lawnmowers in the United States. So we send the plans on how to do it to China. The result is that the people that used to build the Lawnmowers and bicycle's all work stocking shelves at Walmart.
Strange events. And yet we support the UN, the organization that votes against our interests probably 90% of the time. What the fuck are we doing there, I forget? NATO? First we saved their ass from being enslaved and now they are complacent, quite willing to let America protect their eastern flank….while they buy natural gas from Russia. Russia keeps their hand on the shutoff valve and Europeans have not a clue their vulnerability! Meanwhile, they resent that we try to boss them around concerning their own safety. Smug-Arrogant and naive. You can’t fix stupid.
So here we are, stuck as the World’s Policeman. Better that speaking German or Japanese….or Russian. It’s a little chuckle that most of them learn english if they want to get anywhere.
And, meanwhile, this leaves the natives here to waste their time studying obscure stuff such as ZOROASTRIANISM, (did I spell that right?) I’m sure that knowledge will have some value, down the road. Just kidding, you guys in the Peanut Gallery amaze me….occasionally.
Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 21, 2026, 11:02 AM:
....... ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Occasionally, I amaze myself. ........
Try wrapping your mind around this one;
It is impossible to define 'Life' and exclude fire.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2026, 02:20 PM:
Then I do it all the time and twice on Sundays!
What mean fire, Boss?
Never mind, you still profound!
Good hunting. El Bee
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