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Az-Hunter
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posted October 20, 2025 10:19 AM
Ive always been puzzled about these thefts? The artifacts, paintings, jewels etc, are know and documented pieces. What does the thief do with them? If a collector bought them, they could never be displayed, or shown with pride by the new owner, or they would be busted.
I guess it would be like a guy possessing an automatic firearm without all the obligatory paperwork etc......merely knowing you have it, gives you some kind of pleasure, but not the ability to really enjoy the ownership?
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Kokopelli
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posted October 20, 2025 11:13 AM
This is Trump's response to the No Kings protests !!
He went and got himself some Crown Jewels ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Leonard
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posted October 20, 2025 01:11 PM
I’m thinking the market for stolen goods is not legit, maybe Russian, or some Arab country. But the article I read mentioned ransom as a possible motive? Like kidnapping; without having to feed them. could be because, prying the diamonds and emeralds and selling them individually wouldn’t net the same or equal to the historical significance of the individual pieces that were taken. And then you think of the eight of the gold eagles is less than the intrinsic and historical value. In other words, it’s kinda stupid to melt it down to a couple gold bars and a cup of assorted diamonds. But there are ignorant people that would do that. However, it’s doubtful if these thieves are unaware of the value of the pieces, whatever they are and I have not heard a description of the loot?
What is almost scandalous is the poor security and lack of cameras. People entrusting priceless artifacts to a museum with inadequate security is embarrassing. When you think about it, we protect nuclear bombs to a higher degree than that joint, and I bet they will be getting a lot of flack about it.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted October 20, 2025 01:35 PM
I have some crown jewels. Buffalo skulls actually and found they can be worth a few hundred dollars or thousands of dollars. Thing is state law says I cannot sell them unless I have proof of where i found them and if found on someone else's property then the owner is entitled to a cut of the money or state if found on state land.. Well I got some and they don't so I'll just hang onto them just because. LOL
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Kokopelli
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posted October 20, 2025 04:14 PM
Somebody correct me if I'm wrong...........
But even if they disassemble the pieces and sell individual gems, isn't there something about shooting a laser thru a diamond and recording the light pattern ??? Every one is supposed to be different ??? Like fingerprints. Traceable.
As far as security goes; I learned a long time ago that a work shirt, hard hat and a clipboard & the security guard will open locked doors for you.
Not the same level as a Museum but same principle; Act like you belong ............. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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Leonard
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posted October 20, 2025 04:58 PM
Maybe there could be a change in policy, one day. It’s the same thing with some of the artifacts I have found traipsing around. Even if it was my land, some tribe would claim it belonged to an ancestor. Like when a huge meteorite was discovered in San Bernardino County, the Feds confiscated it! Oh well.
Good Hunting. El Bee
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Leonard
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posted October 21, 2025 11:15 AM
Ko Ko, that’s a great idea. They can compare recent laser scans with those taken in the 1870’s to make sure they don’t try to slip in a modern stone in substitute for the ones that were set during the French Beheadinglusion.
Along those lines, I once took my father’s Ruby ring to a jeweler for an evaluation. One thing I remember was that he said the set stones on both sides were obviously old because the diamonds were PRE the invention of the (so called) brilliant cut. I don’t remember exactly when they started using that method, but it was before 1920, ifI’m not mistaken.
For some reason, my grandmother gifted each of her 3 sons with a Ruby ring. The brothers being a couple years apart, the rings were duplicated as near as the jeweler could make it. Side by side, you could see a couple of minor differences. But, my dad wore that ring every day, from his 18th birthday, to the day he died. His older brother and his younger brother both lost their Ruby rings but I inherited my dad’s. I don’t wear it often, just family gatherings where my cousins always recognize it, since their fathers had the same thing, and wore habitually until they both lost them, whenever that was? So, the ring I have is definitely a family heirloom. It’s way too small for my ring finger so I wear it as a pinky, which I don’t like and only haul it out for (like)Christmas and funerals, etc.
I have a couple things from my grandfather. One is an old Tie Pin, with a Moonstone in the center. The other is a miniature carved ivory crucifix, with a micro dot in the center that you can hold to your eye and see an image of some commemorated vision of the Virgin that occurred in the 180s; like Fatima or Guadalupe. I don’t know the history, but it came from a part of Germany/Poland before 1900 when he emigrated. Used a Polish prayer book to follow the Mass. People have no idea how steeped in Roman Catholic Doctrine were the Polish people were then and still are. I believe somewhere close to 95% of the population is Catholic, which is significantly higher percentage wise, than Italy, where you assume with the Vatican and St. peter’s, you might expect to be predominately Catholic. It is Catholic but not as high as is Poland.
Another thing about Poland. Whereas, all of the European countries that admitted Muslim refugees in the past 20 years or so, and have come to regret it. Poland does not allow any Muslim emigrants. None. They have accepted quite a few Ukranians, but no Muslims. If you look at Great Britain, the muslims outnumber the natural citizens, the mayor of London is muslim, the city is predominately muslim and most of them are on welfare, no jobs or skills. Opposed to Australia, where you have to arrive with a round trip ticket and can stay for (I think) 1 or 2 years and must then leave. Meanwhile, Biden admitted 15 million immigrants! They all get assistance of some form. Trump is trying to send some back, we’ll see how that goes?
So, is the world going to hell in a handcart? You be the judge. And what about America? All I have to say is, thank god that idiot Kamala Harris lost the election. The most unqualified candidate in history, yet she says that the election was the closest in history. Not true, and I doubt that she even believes it; she’s just lying. The thing that puzzles me is how the fuck did she ever pass the California Bar? There MUST be a way to cheat on the exam? She isn’t even of average intelligence. She has been on her knees since Willy Brown, apparently sucks a mean dick? If the bitch has any other talent, it’s not visible? Any way, I hear she don’t get it, and intends to run for president again. I hope she does, then just like Hillary, we drive a friggin’ wooden stake through her heart. That should keep both of them subdued for the rest of the century!
So Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted October 21, 2025 11:45 AM
Actually, one would think that a Museum would use the laser scans to positively identify stones. Good way to keep the night shift janitor from swapping out real diamonds with cubic zirconia. Plus, if they have a record of the stone, if it turns up in a pawn shop it could be identified as stolen.
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Leonard
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posted October 21, 2025 02:31 PM
IT’s good that you keep mentioning it, Ko Ko!
What the heck have you been paying to have most of your more valuable gems laser printed and documented? They tell me it’s frightfully expensive? I’m sure it’s worth the peace of mind! Just think of what you could lose in the case of some fraudulent trickery.
I’m just pulling yore leg, Amigo. I know you mostly invest in bitcoin and precious metals.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 21, 2025 08:40 PM
Don't know squat about Bit Coin. The only precious metal I have is a silver / turquoise piece that's an original Effie Calavaza Zuni necklace.
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posted October 22, 2025 10:53 AM
Okay! The Zuni are famous for their carved fetishes, animals that represent the 6 directions. For instance, the bear fetish reprints one particular direction although I don’t remember which one north or south or east or west. I do know that the sky direction is represented by the eagle and the underground direction represented by the mole. These are sacred totems, they take care of them, breathe into the nostrils and feed them crushed corn kept in a pouch, maybe around the neck.
Zuni’s carve these from stone, some quite exotic, like turquoise. I have a bear carved out of amethyst, and a bobcat carved in jet a hard black stone. Actually, I have maybe 50 odd fetishes, fox, badger, rattlesnake, raven, wolf, coyote and frog. These ain’t cheap baubles. you can expect to pay $50 to a few hundred dollars.
The Hopi make fetishes also, but they are mostly corn maidens, Kochinas, they are miniatures much like the Zuni, maybe 2, 3 or 4 inches. Actually, the Sioux make fetishes too, but they are usually stuffed and beaded, maybe lizard or other small animals.
While the Navajo are well known for their turquoise jewelry, the Hopi are silversmiths, buckles and bracelets, usually. Whereas, the Navajo are famous for their squash blossom necklaces.
That’s about it, what I know, or think I know. I’ve hunted around the Zuni reservation. There are extensive lava flows east of the res and contain lots of gray fox and bobcat, these flows are wide and deep maybe 10 feet and sandy passages along thee bottom like highways, you could get lost in there, so stay on top. The gaps are too wide to jump, except for the fox, I guess bobcat and coyote could do it, but there are lots of grays in these flows. Very interesting country with mesas and juniper you can easily get lost in….and I have!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS I did not know that Zuni worked in silver? But the thing they are famous for is fetishes. Most of the other tribes are interested in fetishes and they get them from the Zuni.
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Leonard
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posted October 22, 2025 10:54 AM
Okay! The Zuni are famous for their carved fetishes, animals that represent the 6 directions. For instance, the bear fetish reprints one particular direction although I don’t remember which one north or south or east or west. I do know that the sky direction is represented by the eagle and the underground direction represented by the mole. These are sacred totems, they take care of them, breathe into the nostrils and feed them crushed corn kept in a pouch, maybe around the neck.
Zuni’s carve these from stone, some quite exotic, like turquoise. I collect them, as a sort of hobby. I have a bear carved out of amethyst, and a bobcat carved in jet a hard black stone. Actually, I have maybe 50 odd fetishes, fox, badger, rattlesnake, raven, wolf, coyote and frog. These ain’t cheap baubles. you can expect to pay $50 to a few hundred dollars.
The Hopi make fetishes also, but they are mostly corn maidens, Kochinas, they are miniatures much like the Zuni, maybe 2, 3 or 4 inches. Actually, the Sioux make fetishes too, but they are usually stuffed and beaded, maybe lizard or other small animals.
While the Navajo are well known for their turquoise jewelry, the Hopi are silversmiths, buckles and bracelets, usually. Whereas, the Navajo are famous for their squash blossom necklaces.
That’s about it, what I know, or think I know. I’ve hunted around the Zuni reservation. There are extensive lava flows east of the res and contain lots of gray fox and bobcat, these flows are wide and deep maybe 10 feet and sandy passages along thee bottom like highways, you could get lost in there, so stay on top. The gaps are too wide to jump, except for the fox, I guess bobcat and coyote could do it, but there are lots of grays in these flows. Very interesting country with mesas and juniper you can easily get lost in….and I have!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS I did not know that Zuni worked in silver? But the thing they are famous for is fetishes. Most of the other tribes are interested in fetishes and they get them from the Zuni.
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