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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 14, 2025, 10:56 AM:
 
So, this is probably just the tip of the iceberg? Democrats and slush funds EPA, and the "Climate change" BS. There's no doubt that Biden and his crew are crooked, the public sector just a way to steal and divert funds....even if all they can be charged with is banking the interest. Anyway, read about it, and Maybe DOGE can sort it out?

"Throwing gold bars off the Titanic"

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 15, 2025, 06:25 PM:
 
Just thinking out loud ..............
Seems to me that we might pick up Greenland at no real cost to us with the $$$ Elon Musk is saving us with the DOGE.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2025, 08:03 AM:
 
sure Koko but Cali is part of the deal for Greenlanders to relocate. Leonard will need to learn another langue.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 16, 2025, 08:15 AM:
 
Face book has a history channel. They had a thing on George Busch. George was ex CIA director and when Gov. got into all that trouble (illegal arms sales and few other things) They couldn't pin a dam thing on him cause he knew how to cover his tracks.
He also served in the Navy and did good for himself till the day his plane got shot down and he lived but his two crew members died. There was like 3-4 different books wrote on that experience that day and not one of them agrees with other, he kept changing what actually happen. There happen to be a plane up in front of George that seen what happen and the rear gunner saw it all and it conflicts with what George said happen. The tail gunner filed a complaint but was swept under the carpet. Truth be known he bailed on his crew and let them ride the plane down to their death.
Something else to think about, George was working for Gov. at the time Kennady was killed. And worked for Nixon as well.

They did a piece on Clinton as well and that fuck had dirty hands as well.

[ February 16, 2025, 08:17 AM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 16, 2025, 09:13 AM:
 
I don't think Greenlanders could handle the climate in Calif. so El Bee could concentrate on monitoring the increasing earthquakes there.
However .... Greenlanders would feel right at home in Mini-Soda's weather and nobody understands either language anyway. Eh?


 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2025, 09:44 AM:
 
Minnesodatans have a certain walk and talk. I remember the mudflaps with red reflectors and the little suction cup American flags that would sell out on the 4th of July. Powderhorn park has an island from which they launch the fireworks to the adoring crowd, and they always act like they have never seen fireworks before in their life! The "Oows and Awahs" are delicious, if you can hear it above all the mosquitoe slapping, and retreiver barking.

They are a special lovable kind of hick, no bip coveralls, but they will roll their Jeans at least twice and the long sleeve plaide is the northwoods fashion statement and all ballcaps have built in earflaps. These guys are as trendy as any from Quebeck or especially Manitoba. You will see plenty Paul Bunyon's walking around with Blue in tow. Paul Bunyon is the State Flower along with the Lady Slipper. And a Saturday night fish fry; as long as it is with Walleyes, there is no other fish worthy of being et. Give the kids sunfish, they won't know the difference. Those were the good old days, a time warp for sure! Ask Tim, he remembers. ;D

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 16, 2025, 10:37 AM:
 
And none of that is a bad thing. ....... Just local charm.
I would far & away rather hang with the plaids & Stormy Kromers than the wanna-be gang bangers with their pants down below their asses. Eh?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 16, 2025, 05:33 PM:
 
Just locals. Don’t cause harm. Not able. Wannabees primarily. Cute when they’r little!

El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2025, 12:22 AM:
 
I live in south central Minnesota on what was called the prairie. Thus the series "Little house on the prairie" with Micheal Landon. I grew up 30 miles east of there and you can still find the Sod house they once lived in. Laurae Engells Wilder wrote a few books on the life there be good read for Koko or whoever likes to read books.

Yeah many years ago the farmers wore caps with fold down ear flaps, but they didn't have cabs on tractors back then, came in handy on a cold day.

Buckled rubber boots was worn at one time now they have pull overs or just fancy rubber pull on boots. Mud flaps on truck was also used, they helped save the paint and windshields if someone was following to close.
Telephones was the old crank and talk, then dial phones and now cell phones. seen it all.
In my area we had so many settlers from all over Europe so the langue's was a little different or should say accent was different. Swedes, Norwegians, Dains, Germans, Polok's to name a few.
Most of the accents is now gone.

The lay of the land here changes almost every few miles from flat to water ways and then hilly and even few deep drainages. My area has a little history like the last wild Indian was killed by a farmer about 20 miles from my house, we have what's called the petroglphs about 5 miles from me. Buffalo ridge which is red rock formed by the glaciers that came through here.
The Cole Younger gang was captured about 15 miles from my house and when running back to Mo. Jesse and Frank James stayed at one of the family farms for a week to heel down along the river.
Family-owned tree claims down along river as this is where the firewood came from to heat the homes back in the day.
Look hard enough you can find parts of the old flour mills along the river. We also have a few water falls close by.
When settlers first settled here, they were required to plant so many trees on their homestead and why you see such a variety of them around my area.
There is a lake up in north central Minn. that 3 generations of family use to fish in summer as well as winter, you can go to some of bait shops and just mention one of the names and someone will speak up, lot of history there. When i was old enough to ice fish we would spend five days a week on the lake, come home fri. and return again Monday morning. Food for family and a place to relax, can't beat that.
Up around the lake was many of the old Swedes and Norwegians and their accent was still strong and many that still could speak it. Go farther north and it gets worse you might say and people up there tend to live a little different and do things a little different as well. Kind of reminds me of the old country.
So much diversity in my state compared to other parts of the country but stay hell out of the Twin cities that's a whole different world there with many who have lost their family values. Just lost souls now.
At one time every town had at least 3-4 different churches and religion, nothing Jewish or Spanish though. and some towns had two schools. Public school and Catholic with Catholic catering from 1st up to 5th grade then they moved to the public school.
Go out west you got cowboys stuck in their old ways and here same thing it's just we adapted and evolved. Family had horses as long as I can remember. Great grandfather owned largest livery stable in my area at one time and furnished all the horses or boarded them as well as buggies. I have a old picture from that time frame with about 100 buggies or wagons parked on street in front of the stable. Grandfather later got into delivery of goods and then started one of the first gravel and road building companies. Some was done by horse and dump bottom wagons and later moved up to trucks.
In my area we also had alot of sloughs/wetlands and i lived long enough to see almost all of them drained and turned into farm ground but now many of those areas are now being turned back into idle ground. (CRP) I can't remember that last time I have been bitten by a skeeter but i don't go out and look for any either. LOL
Back when we had all the sloughs, I can remember the sky in the spring or fall being blacked out by the migration of ducks and geese.

I can actually say i lived my life to fullest.
"I done it all and lived it."

Little more history.
My grandfather was a cattle and horse buyer/trader and one of the first to truck cattle and horses back east out of the western states. Ponies were bought and broke and shipped to mines in Penn., cattle shipped as far east as New York and few midwestern states. on his buying trips west, he use to bring wild game back from some of western states for us to eat. He was nominated twice for some Cowboy Hall of fame but not sure if he ever got inducted. Use to have some big picnics around that time with ranchers from all over the country. Later on in the years I got a chance to hunt coyotes on some of the ranches. Good times.
I have a cousin now he kind of carries on the tradition of bringing cattle back from western states and as of late picked up a few loads of Brahma cross out of Oklahoma; they gain fast but have to keep plenty of bedding around on cold days.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2025, 01:30 AM:
 
Gotta love an area that has a rich history. Sadly, these days too many people can't get their faces out of their Smart Phones long enough to learn anything. ..... and that's a shame 'cause a ton of information is right there at their fingertips.
Even more fun, stop in at a small town coffee shop and visit with a couple of local geezers & get them to talking. A lot of history and it's all being lost.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2025, 03:45 AM:
 
yep agree a cafe or coffee shop full of info.

Sat with some guys that new my father and they told me about some of his hunting adventures in the day.
One in particular was when my father was a gunner in a plane thinning out the red fox back in the day when it was legal to hunt and shoot from a plane. They were just flying near town on a Sunday looking for a few foxes when they spotted one and went after it with the plane. This took place by a slough on edge of town and when the plane dived down and then to level off the plane did not respond quick enough and sure enough into the slough they went. They was lucky pilot could bring the nose up just enough to land ok you might say but still crashed none the less. Had to wait till spring get the plane back out.
I saw a picture of the wreck a long time ago in my grandmother's photo album but when she passed my uncle in Maryland took all the albums with him which had many pictures of my father's hunts. They would hang fox scalps from the braces on the plane for picture taking. I still have both shotguns; one is a 16 Gauge double barrel and other a Rem./browning pat. mod. 11 I think. Has the big hump at rear of reciever.
The guys at cafe also told me about the last legal wolf that was killed in southern Mn. by my father and his hunting buddies.
And they talked about the days they had Jackrabbit and red fox drives in the area. Those days we had many sloughs and alot of wheat ground as that was main crop for sometime.
Fox was so plentiful you didn't need a caller back then just walk one up and shoot it.
My dad talked around friends one time talking about how thick our pheasants use to be back when he farmed. Him and some buddies would go out at night with a tractor and two guys would sit on fenders with pitch forks and either bat the birds or spear them with the fork when they flew up into the lights.
Back in the day it was women's job along with the kids to pluck the feathers from the game birds that the men brought in from the day or nights hunt. I have also seen pictures of the piles of birds they had gotten with the women sitting there in chairs plucking feathers. The feathers were saved for stuffing pillows, mattresses or lining blankets.
My Grandmother had a tanned horse hide on floor in her house they used it as a cover for when traveling in the wagon or model T's and then later on just left it in house on the floor for display.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 17, 2025, 04:51 AM:
 
Was that wolf the one that they called the Custer Wolf ????
I've got the book on that one ......... somewhere.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 17, 2025, 10:57 AM:
 
Not sure Koko. From those I talked with plus a old newspaper article they called our wolf Blackie.

Speaking of wolves. Minnesota has more wolves than Montana and Idaho.
As many years I spent hunting or living here I never seen one in the wild except for the year I worked way up north in our wolf area but nothing in southern part of the state. Why is that?

Oh sure we did have a few reports in last ten years of a wolf or two moving into southern part of state but far as I know they never stayed.

Kind of a funny thing with people when it come to coyote, wolf or cougar sightings.
Get a call from a farmer that claimed he had two coyotes out in his field and when we got there, we would just find a pair of red fox running around.
Would get calls on a big cat crossing road at night and would drive over in morning and just find where a coyote crossed the road leaving its tracks in the snow. LOL A person's mind can really play tricks on them.
So anyway, where are all these wolves that supposed to migrate?????

Oh we have had a few bears migrate south last few years with a mother and cubs just 30 miles from my place, but they moved on heading southeast and also a few have been spotted on eastern side of the state in one of the areas we were rebuilding a road.
Take bobcats as well, we have them in northern part of the state but never see or hear of any down in my part.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2025, 10:53 AM:
 
Another thing on wolves here in Minn.
We have a place up north called camp Ripley, its the training grounds for our national guard plus others from neighboring states. Small arms fire is conducted there as well as Mortars, tanks and cannon fire. Its a nicely wooded area with varus types of northern trees, some bogs or sloughs ect.

Each year they give out so many deer tags to hunt inside this area, mostly bows, and are considered trophy hunts. (big bucks) Some dam nice deer have come out of there.
Camp Ripley is also the core area for many of the Minnesota wolves. The camp has a nice balance in animals and why they still exist due to limits on big game tags. So what's the problem?

Pretty simple in most cases Greed is the problem.
Outfitters want more game for their clients thus more money for them. If their wolves getting out of hand, then reduce the big game tags and get a equal balance in the areas that have wolves.
Guided hunts was meant just to be away for a local to make a little extra cash in the fall to help out their families, now its a fucken business and the outfitters are filling their pockets as bad as the Democrats off of our wildlife.
Montana sells big game lic. for what 30.00 to locals but non-residents pay hundreds of dollars or thousands for a tag which some are limited to just one time deal. 30.00 for local Tag not going to pay for care of states wildlife, its the non-residents that are footing the bill.
Do a google and take look at each state lic. sales from say 15 years ago up till now. The number of tags has gone up and up. Well, if the wolves are killing all the big game off then why are the number of lic./tags increasing?????? More greed!
I don't have wolves in southern Mn. and the deer numbers here go up and down, bad winter or a surge in hunters from one year to the next and DNR adjust accordingly from one year to next on tags, maybe other states should follow suite.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 18, 2025, 12:15 PM:
 
All kidding aside, you have a rich history, Tim. Value it!

I’ve been to Camp Ridley, when I was about 10, Went with my uncle who was a Iwo Jima veteran, and he spent much time exchanging ple3asantries with the army folks. Other than that I don’t remember a damned thing about the rest of the day? I do remember he said something as we passed some GI’s in a Duceand a half: Yeah same thing, soldiers ride and Marlane’s walk!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on February 18, 2025, 04:34 PM:
 
The wolves in the UP of Michigan have decimated the deer and moose populations. Lots of deer hunters have quit hunting due to not seeing deer. A lot of hunters get nothing on their game cameras but wolves.

As far as seeing wolves, it's not a problem. I had one come into the camp yard in the middle of the afternoon and it wasn't afraid of me or my truck sitting next to me.

Here's part of a pack in the camp yard.

 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 18, 2025, 06:01 PM:
 
"A lot of deer hunters have quit hunting due to not seeing deer"'

That was one of the two goals the Antis had when they promoted wolf reintroduction. If you stop hunting you won't pass the tradition down to your children and grandchildren. They win by attrition.
The other being to use the wolf as a cash cow to raise $$$ for the Anti organizations and the $$$ salaries of their Boards of Directors.

Same problem down here on the Rim; deer & elk numbers way down.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 18, 2025, 10:46 PM:
 
Michigan sold 585,595 deer lic. this season, 1% fewer than 2021.
Harvest was down 11% from last year.

2008 sold 725,190 deer lic.
2023 sold 1,238,679 lic.

In 2015 the buck harvest in the U.P. bottom out at estimated 17,000, two years later bounced back up to 30,000 buck kills.

How many deer in Mich.? Just a estimated at 2 million deer and up 30,000 from a decade ago.

Mich. is second largest state for deer/car accidents with Penn. being the leader.

Hunters not reporting their harvests can alter or screw up the DNR estimates.

Back when Covid showed up there was a decline in number of hunters for few years.

Wolves??????

Wolves, more so than any other pred. are often blamed for decrease of deer in a given area like the U.P..
From 2009- 2022, the buck harvest through all seasons has fluctuated up and down in association with severe weather.

When deer numbers decline, it is not because wolf numbers have increased, and when deer numbers increase its not because the wolf numbers have declined.
Weather plays a key part on deer survival as well as the logging industry, predation and few other factors many do not see.
Wolves are not the main pred. of fawns, and fawn survival is what brings the numbers up and down as well as the weather. Other fawn pred. are coyotes, bears, and bobcats.

Now in southern Minnesota the top pred. is cars and coyotes, no wolves and no bobcats. Our herd numbers also go up and down according to the winters and wet or dry spring as well as number of hunters each year which goes up and down as well.
As of late my area is seeing more bow hunters than ever, they all want to shoot a big buck and have a better chance due to the deer still being somewhat relaxed and they stick to their feeding and travel habits, come slug season many start to bed down tighter during the day or head for the big safe areas.
The thing about living in a area with fewer tree's mostly open country you get a good chance to see how deer move about from one year to next and can get a good guess on whats there and its the same when calling or hunting coyotes you can see whats going on around your area. The guys in brush country can only guess as to what and why.

Come springtime each doe has a certain place it wants to raise its fawns, and it will use same location till day it dies and then its young from previous years take over.
I remember one season there was a hunting group they was just mostly after any deer as they just wanted the meat. They hunted their area hard and filled most of the tags and they also killed the adult does, older bucks and even button bucks but let the fawns from that year go.
Next season same big group showed up and they thought they could fill all their tags again. Nope it never happened they only shot a few deer reason being is they killed all the adult does or most of them that used that area so in a nut shell there was nothing to come back and replace them for some time, the area numbers is still not right. Those hunters fucked up a good thing by over harvesting there area and yeas the same happens everywhere if you see a increase in hunters in a given area.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2025, 08:40 AM:
 
Good post Tim. IT sorta looks like you pasted it? How’d you get so knowledgeable up on Michigan? lol

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2025, 09:35 AM:
 
LOL yeah i sort of did that make it little easier to comprehend, just put in the important parts.
Wisc. and Mich. just across the big river Leonard and both states kind of laid out like Minnesota but on smaller scale. Google comes in real handy for research on subject and i went through more than one place and they all pretty much say same thing. You can access the DNR also for lic. numbers and harvest reports and find same results in other places.
The point is not many look at big picture and its easy for them to just point fingers for blame or cause.
I've hunted deer here for long time and if you want to shoot one or a big one for that matter you need put the leg work in and study what you have. Game cameras just tell you what's there at some point in time and often doesn't tell you everything, depends on how many cameras and where you put them. Interference from farmer or human traffic can change how a deer moves and when.
Once first shot is fired here or even just a combine going through a field is like an alarm clock for the deer telling them to head for safe haven or lay low till its dark. Bucks won't come out of big woodlots till dark and shooting done with for day. As season progresses and quiets down a little in given area the bucks will come out of the wood lots a little sooner like 5 minutes before dark as as it drags on they start to come a little earlier.
Most of my big bucks where killed 15 minutes before sunset and at end of each season i hunted. Slug and then muzzle loader and then bow.
I patterned my deer every day if I had time to get over to them and when i hunted them i set up in a ground blind. Most now days sit in dam tree stand and some of the deer figure them out plus you have human traffic going to and coming from a tree stand, plus wind could be wrong as well. and you have vehicle traffic from hunters as well which warns deer of their presence.
A big wood lot i hunted the deer would come out of the south side at times then the west side or even north side and they keep the pattern the same till something sets them off to go another route.
I hunted just across a fence line on west side as that's only access i had or next fence line was to far from wood lot and deer wouldn't reach it by darkness.
The farmer that owned land that i hunted on left stand corn in field and wouldn't plow up any ground till after deer season so most of the food was on my side of the fence and that's where they wanted to go as long as something didn't set them off.
If the deer came out of south or north side of the wood lots i would drive over to that side and blow on my howler a few times. Deer would run back to woodlot and next day change their pattern to where they was going to feed that evening.
It also takes time to get things just right and not many hunters could hunt all week where i could.
In the areas with CRP the deer tend to just lay up in grass till dark but can get up and move early or a hunter can get in his tree stand in mourning and perhaps catch one coming by to head for the grass as sun comes up.
I tried tree stand years ago and hated them as they put a limit on your success, and you were fucked if the deer didn't play along.
I believe hunting in big woods is worse, yet you really don't have any control over how the deer are going to move or when, just make a guess and then hunt the entire season till one finally shows up for a shot. If they don't then well, I guess we could blame the wolves or the coyotes and bears for that matter.

Years ago, we just use to party hunt and make deer drives and that's how you get the numbers, but nobody wants to walk anymore or more than they have to. And some was afraid if they didn't shoot a deer they jumped, and it ran over to next property someone else was going to get it so now they sit in tree stands and try keep the deer on their lease.
Tree stands can be good in big woods, but you need someone to walk around and get the deer moving or they just bed up somewhere till dark.

Little story from few years back.
Had a hunter who would walk a 1/2-mile-long fence line to get to his deer stand by a creek and where there was some good cover for the deer, nice spot too. I would go out to my farm to feed the dogs around dark or just before as i didn't hunt deer any longer. I'd drive down this gravel road that took me past the bridge for the creek and i would always see this nice buck every evening along trees by creek not far from the road. This same creek goes to where the deer hunter sits in his tree stand and has permission to hunt all this land. Every day guy walks out and comes back at dark never seeing a deer. LOL All he had to do was walk in along the creek and take it to his deer stand and jump the deer on way to it but he never did and he never got a deer.
The buck made it through the season and next year turned into a monster and laid up in same area and i thought he was going to make it another year.
Slug season ended so now I could run my dogs and I ran them through this same section and the dogs bumped the deer and it ran off to another nice section about 2 miles away and laid up there. Bow season still going on and a bow hunter ended up getting the buck from that section. Nice.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2025, 09:45 AM:
 
P.S. funny thing about that fence line the hunter would walk in on. the section is about 2 miles and L-shaped with creek going through middle of it. The coyotes love this section cause its big. The funny part is I can never get a coyote to come in along that fence line when out at night calling.
I have to call that section from the north or east side if im going to have any luck.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 19, 2025, 10:36 AM:
 
All well & good but the fact remains ......... wolves gotta eat regularly and they ain't vegetarians.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2025, 01:23 PM:
 
….and THAT folks, is exactly why you pay the money and wait, with baited breath for koko’s sage contributions, which is a beautiful thing when it occurs. Wolves gotta eat regularly and they ain’t vegetarians

Copy/paste and take a scissors, carefully cut and laminate that puppy for your wallet!

Good hunting. El Bee
Yes, sure, I’m gonna; before I forget!
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 19, 2025, 04:30 PM:
 
Awwwww .......... You're making me blush.

I only know what the Magic 8 Ball on my desk tells me.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2025, 04:52 PM:
 
Wolf can go 3-4 days without eating, who says they have to eat every day? Wolves can eat enough to get by or get lucky and have a big kill and then stuff themselves or come back and feed later. Wolves also are not African lions where they sit on a kill till its gone.
Who says they catch and kill a deer every day? There are other things to eat beside a fresh deer kill. Porky pines, some guy's dog that was allowed to run loose, road killed deer ect. Mich. runs 2nd in number of vehicle deer kills so plenty of food there as well.

Some expert tells you a wolf has to eat so much to live and think numbers are exaggerated.

Lets take a look at Leonards Tilly since she is related to wolves. How much in pounds do you feed Tilly each day? What happens if you give her too much each day and how does she react to eating when its warm out vrs. cold?????????
I'll wait for answer before I shed some light on this..
 

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Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on February 19, 2025, 05:01 PM:
 
Kokopelli, you are 100% correct on the reasons for the wolves being dumped everywhere. Stop the hunting and you don't need firearms anymore. The antis get their wish.

Now for the bullshit from the Minnesota branch of the Michigan Dept. of No Reason, aka MI DNR. Copy, paste and regurgitate the nonsense to attempt to sound like you know everything.

I've got over 50 years of hunting here in the UP of Michigan. No uninformed nimrod hiding behind his keyboard in Minnesota knows what goes on here.

Save it. You're full of shit.

[ March 23, 2025, 03:59 PM: Message edited by: MI VHNTR ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2025, 06:17 PM:
 
how many acres do you actually hunt in ??? Private or state owned?? Do you hunt alone or party hunt from hunting camp/cabin??
area hunted? Eastern, northern or western U.P.???
amount of snowfall for your area???

[ February 19, 2025, 06:21 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2025, 07:04 PM:
 
It varies. Sometimes she just barfs. But most often she’s not a pig even though she has a bowl that holds 5 cups of kibble and she eats all she wants between begging my food which is always reliable. She loves stuff like chicken noodle soup and ice cream and she gets cheese and ham and oatmeal cookies and eggs and cereal with milk and toast, not a lot but whatever begging will give her. She does expect at least a taste of whatever I’m having. If it kills her, well, she was doing the begging, which is actually very subdued, she just waits until I’m finished, while druling if we are having pot roast or steak. I spoil the hell out of her.

Good hunting. El Bee

Edit: well, we have seen photos of his moose, for one thing. And he’s on site, for another. And he said he has 50 years logged. LB

[ February 19, 2025, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 19, 2025, 07:54 PM:
 
well what i was getting at Leonard is a dog can only eat so much at times and then they have to digest it. Digestion takes times and if over fed it may not eat as much at next feeding.
Example i feed my dogs once a day about 3 1/2 cups of dog food and some days I heap up the scoop and give little extra. When i do give extra the next day at feeding time there will be extra food left over in a dish so then i just give a little less to equal it out to the amount, they normally eat.

A wolf is no different but yes at times they may gorge themselves but they going to lay up for longer period of time before they hunt again.
A dog or wolf's intake is based off of their live body weight and size. Can give wolf benefit of doubt and say at times it will eat a little more.
But also look at what they eat like a deer for example, deer meat very high on protein plus the added fat so a wolf would not need to eat as much compared to a dog that eats dog food.
Some guys i know feed their dogs raw meat during hunting season that keep the dogs in good condition as they burn up alot of energy from running every day and dog food just don't have it at times.
Anyway, a wolf doesn't need to kill a deer every day like some experts lead to believe to survive.
And as stated in my other post weather and rough winters is what keeps deer numbers down, not the wolves.
Northern half of U.P see's alot of snow at times like west side of the state they get lake effect snow or whatever it's called and same with northern part. Also, not the best food sources for deer compared to southern part of state. Long hard winters will take its toll on deer, it's a well-known fact. Bad winter deer numbers down hey lets just blame the wolves. LOL
Wisc., Minnesota and Mich. are 3 similar states that are next to each other not much difference between them other than Wisc. and Mich. get more snow at times compared to here.
If there are no deer in a hunting area like MI claims, then there shouldn't be any wolves either. Right??? Wolves got to eat.
I don't know the bear or coyote numbers for Mich as I have not looked it up but do know that on the Northwestern side of green bay Wisc. they have some of the highest bear numbers in the state.
Mich. is less than half the size of Minn.

The southern lower peninsula see's the most deer hunters but at same time more lic. are sold in northern half of state.
The upper pen. has high hunter success rate and some of the best buck age structures in Midwest.
factors affecting deer hunting success, weather conditions, availability of public land, and private land access.
with presence of wolves in upper pen. the deer have changed their movement habits and move mostly mid-day. which is understandable. (Some of this info was taken from a local resident and why he is more successfull)

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 19, 2025, 08:45 PM:
 
Random musings. Concerningwolfdiet. Has anybody noticed exactly how much of wolf droppings is nothing but deer hair? What I mean is that they are not very picky eaters, and seem to eat a side of deer including the pelt. I know that coyote droppings will contain a lot of rabbit fur, but the percentage may be different because they eat a lot of vegetation like mesquite beans and melons and other row crops, and in my area, grapes from vineyards. So if wolves are meat eaters, I’m telling you, they eat a lot of deer hide. I have not seen a lot of elk hide, so it might be reagional? Other places, you might see more moose or sheep, etc. All I know is personal observation, and it’s deer hair so they are eating deer in places I have visited, boots on the ground. Anyway?

Good hunting. El Bee

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 06:20 AM:
 
Yep coyotes eat vegetable matter as well as bugs like grasshoppers, usually a summer diet then switch to meat come freeze up. Its been noted in most trappers' handbooks and will find a food lures as well for the time of year you trap them.. So why would a wolf be any different?
Sure you find hair in their scat they don't know how to skin a critter. LOL
As far as coyote scat i see mostly mice, rats and a few rabbits in winter months and if i find coyotes close to a winter deer yard then deer hair as well but keep in mind there are many road killed deer in same area as well.

One season I did have one spot where it looked like 3 coyotes that was killing young deer and found two that they killed about a week apart. I'd say both deer weighed about 100-125 lbs. a piece which comes to roughly 41 pounds for each coyote. If you take into account, the coyote's weight that comes pretty close to same intake of dog food for dogs. Boh deer were cleaned up nicely except for the stomach of the deer remained but all organs eaten. From what I could tell the stomach was pulled away from rest of the deer and ignored.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 06:37 AM:
 
Here are some numbers to look over, not an exact for varies reasons.

Michigan; Black bear 15,000-19,000

Deer; 2 million

Deer killed by cars/trucks 50,000
reported.
Deer killed by hunters;230,765

coyotes; in 2020 7000 hunters killed 13,000 coyotes.

Wolves;630-768

Minnesota; Bear 13,000-18,000

Deer;1 million
roughly 1,200 killed by cars but not
all road kills reported.
Deer killed by hunters 170,000

coyotes; roughly 4000 killed each year.
Not all reported or sold to fur buyer.

Wolves; 2919

Minnesota DNR also claims weather is a big factor in deer or fawn survival.

Minnesota is twice the size of Michigan.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 06:53 AM:
 
Bobcats;

Michigan; roughly 3,800

Minnesota; roughly 2000

Look at size of both states and see Mich. about half the size of Mn. or little less.
Take all those numbers and pack them into such a smaller area and yeah you going to have a lot of predation at fawning time and not just from one predator.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 07:06 AM:
 
Let's see how California is doing.

Lions; 4500

deer; 475,000

bobcat;70,000-100,000

Bear; 50,000 -81,000

coyotes; 250,000 750,000

Wolves; 70

Im surprised that Cali even has any deer left.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 20, 2025, 09:41 AM:
 
That’s another situation, Sure, we got’em! But they are all does. I hear 95 does to 5 bucks, but all the bucks are forkies. We have Blacktails and believe it or not, a few decent Mule deer that migrate into Nevada for the winter, above Reno, on the Pyramid Lakes Reservation, which is another clusterfuck. Honest to god, it’s like intentional mismanagement. It’s the X zones, you have to get drawed which is another carrot and stick deal.

Let’s face it, all of this getting drawed for any big game is a cruel game and most states have managed to screw up the system. Public land deer hunting is almost a waste of time anymore. They most definitely do not want you to succeed. End of mini-rant!

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 20, 2025, 10:10 AM:
 
Actually, half of your 'bucks' are non-deer spikes.

There's a number of reasons that feral pigs have become the #1 big game animal in Calif.

I'm still looking at Tim's numbers.
70 wolves in Calif.
Assuming that a wolf makes a kill every five days; that would be 73 kills a year for one wolf.
Therefore 70 wolves would kill 5,110 deer every year.
As sport hunters, we harvest the excess amounts of deer in the herds. When one combines the wolf & Mt. lion kills, I'm just not seeing a lot of excess deer available for me and my kind to hunt.
Yes, it's surprising that Calif. has ANY deer left.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 20, 2025, 10:18 AM:
 
4500 protected Mt. lions in Calif.
One kill every 5 days = 900.
Comes out to about 65,700 deer a year total lion kill, yes ???
Even at a kill every ten days you're looking at well over 30,000 deer a year fed to lions.
 

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As sport hunters, we harvest the excess amounts of deer in the herds. When one combines the wolf & Mt. lion kills, I'm just not seeing a lot of excess deer available for me and my kind to hunt.

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Michigan covers 96,810 square miles, making it the 11th largest of the 50 states and the largest state east of the Mississippi River.

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Well then the U.S. map is wrong if you look at it. clearly can see Mich. can fit well inside of Mn. with room to spare. don't matter we still have more wolves than Mich. and you have 10,00 more acres so whats the problem, don't own enough hunting ground?
The DNR manage deer as a whole, its up to you to manage deer numbers on your property even if that means skipping a year of hunting.

Deer yard?? you said you don't have any deer. make up your mind. How many deer in the deer yard?
Yeah a little blood on top of snow makes it look worse than it is, crippled deer not healing up, coyotes pecking away at them leaving open wounds and yes even wolves getting their share, never said they don't kill deer. Point was you have plenty of deer, you just poor hunter or don't have any on your land, not wolves fault.
And yeah I like wolves and would also like to see a season on them again to keep numbers in check but they not populated enough yet for a season and may never willbe.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 05:50 PM:
 
Randy congrats on the big cat! What you use for equipment? traps, snares, gun, called in or spot and stalk??? How big, male, female?

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 20, 2025, 06:12 PM:
 
Camp Ripley is 53,000 acres and has 8 wolves.
Deer numbers are 2400-3200.
Last five to ten years or so Ripley has increased its deer harvest quota due to too many deer for the area. Hmmm

For those like a good read just Google Camp Ripley wolves and then Google camp Rampley deer. As DNR has done a study on both and how they both relate as far as predation and so forth. And once again they point out weather is the key issue on survival or multiplying.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2025, 11:26 AM:
 
Yeah, Randy. How did you take the lion?
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on February 21, 2025, 11:43 AM:
 
My previous attempts at killing a lion consisted of cold calling on ground I was unfamiliar with. Only one of the seasons had any snow and it was so deep I couldn't get to the areas. So basically I was looking for a needle in a hay stack.

This season was on my home turf. We had tracked many lions in years past just to learn about them. There was a mom and two kittens that came north down a canyon to the road and returned south up a different canyon. They made this trip about every 11 days. Almost like clockwork. So we knew the area well which extended about 5 miles west of my house to 4 miles south. We also had cell cameras out since Thanksgiving and had over a dozen pictures of lions.

We received a small skiff of snow on the third day. My partner has a sxs with enclosed cab and we started covering ground starting at daylight. At 11:30 we found our first pair of tracks which we followed on the sxs for about 2 miles and they crossed a canyon we could not. We had to detour a long ways around and by the time we arrived, the snow had melted on the south facing slope. We did make a couple stands where we thought they were going with no success. We covered almost 60 miles that morning.

Two or three days later it started snowing at midnight and was still spitting snow when my partner picked me up at daylight. We ran the route in the same direction as before and found a single lion track at 8:30. Very little snow in the track and it was headed into an area we both knew very well. I had called a lion in the area a few years before purely by accident, so we knew where to make two stands.

First stand was a blank and we decided to walk about a mile to the next one to keep things quiet.
Next stand was blank too and we decided I would walk back to get the sxs while my partner followed the track to see which fork in the canyon the lion took. I am driving back to him, when I see him walking to me. He was really shook.

There was an old cabin back in the pines which had a crawl space under it with 3x4 open door slightly above ground level. I had been in there before and a person could almost stand up. It had a dirt floor and was about 14x14. As he was tracking the lion, he noticed that the tracks were right alongside the foundation and headed towards the door. He retreated to the side and turned his scope down to two power just as the lion poked it's head out of the door looking right at him as he stood 20 feet away. The lion made one jump out of the door and another over a pile of old lumber. He shot on the second jump.

He looked at the place where he had shot and had found one little spot of blood. Then he got the hell out of there and was coming to me. After I gave him a couple minutes to calm down, we proceeded to that location. The blood speck was the size of a bb and had some bone in it I could see and feel with my fingers.

It was decided I would follow the track in the bottom of the canyon and he would stay up high and slightly ahead of me. It didn't take long before I found a place in the snow which indicated the lion was swinging a left front leg and she was headed to an open area. Before she reached that open area, she ducked back into the thick stuff. It was then I realized she was not trying to escape, but hide instead. I yelled to my partner that the lion was more than likely within 50 yards of us.

It was just a short period of time later that he said he could see her laying under a pine tree and took a shot. I heard a lot of crashing going back into the canyon and pushed forward finding the slide down the near vertical hill to the bottom. She was still making tracks, so we continued with our plan.

Not much time elapsed, before he told me to get my pistol ready because the lion was 15 feet above my head in thick cover. I did as I was told just as he shot 2 more times in quick succession ending our hunt.

It was a female weighing 115 pounds. She had been collared and tagged 5 years earlier when she was a 3 year old. She was trapped in an area about 2 miles from where she was killed. The tracking data indicated she had spent her entire life in that set of hills and never ventured into Wyoming. She had an bloated belly when he killed her and after she was skinned and he got all the meat he wanted, I cut into her. You could not get another piece of red meat into her belly. Stuffed full. She must have made a kill that night and ate her fill.

Next year it will be my time to shoot.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 21, 2025, 01:22 PM:
 
Totally cool !!!!
And Thanx for the tip about feeling bone with your fingers in the blood drop. Every little nugget of information helps on a scanty blood trail.
 

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Posted by MI VHNTR (Member # 3370) on February 21, 2025, 04:11 PM:
 
First, Thank you Leonard.
Posting these pictures to show a small part of my UP camp acreage and a camp visitor from the past.

You can see the camera on the camp that took the picture of the wolves posted earlier between the moose's back legs.





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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 21, 2025, 04:53 PM:
 
Heck of an adventure Randy. What your buddy use for a gun?

Keep eye on that cabin next time you hunt if that female had any young good chance they was born there and one may return sometime.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 21, 2025, 05:45 PM:
 
All very interesting. As far as lions go, they are wrecking havoc with I believe they are Nelson Big horns here is Southern California mountains. They camp out and ambush the sheep as they come to drink. The sheep are transplanted from somewhere further north in the Sierras but I think it’s a failure and they have even resupplied the sheep. Lions have been protected in California for damned near fifty years and the count is a total fabrication, not only does this state have the most lions, but since the moratorium, the population has more than doubled. They don’t really try to estimate because it would not be valid, or believable. But, you could say that before the moratorium, I thoink there was only one human killed in the previous 50 years, but since, at least five humans have been killed and there is no chance of an open season.

Here is the history. Before the moratorium, we had a limit, and for some reason, I forget if it was 50 or 75 cats. When there were that number turned in, the season was closed, regardless of the date. Yeah, it was 75, I’m almost positive. The pity is that for the last 50 years, the state has been paying houndsmen upwards of 250 lions every year, although the number varies for various reasons.

But the bunny huggers shrug and say that now it is necessary and the cats aren’t being killed for blood sport. This is the way they think and since they have infiltrated fish and game, every time we propose renewing a lion season, because the cats have lost their fear of man, there is in opposition, a hue and cry about the slaughter of these magnificent beasts. It’s all based on emotion and not science, but for sure, it’s political.

Another. Thing that occurs to me. Nebraska is spending way too much time and effort and dollars in trapping sheep and lions! To what end?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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I think that's so they can study both to see how well they doing and not doing so well, due to predation. Better way to get more of an exact as far as numbers go. Maybe they got a deal on sheep and use them to feed the lions so they don't bother the ranchers. They seem to know where both are.

Minn. does a study on wolves in camp Ripley, (8) and so far they not bothering the farmers in area. One collared wolf did leave Ripley and ended up by Green bay Wisc.

Had a Hound buddy in southern Iowa put a tracking collar on a coyote just to study it and see how it moves about through the area and then caught it at later date with dogs again. Some good info. The coyote never left the area which consisted or roughly five square miles, till it was caught a second time and ended up in the pit.

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 21, 2025, 08:51 PM:
 
Most everything involving lions in Calif. is political and / or a boondoggle wildlife biologist employment program.

????? Isn't that initiative in Calif. regarding the lion moratorium due to 'sunset' any time now ??
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 22, 2025, 01:12 AM:
 
really. Just saying but if the majority are non-hunters shouldn't it be ok on what they want or decide? (majority rules) And if one wants changes made then perhaps should find a new Gov. like trump to take over and make the changes.

I guess you can say Minnesota is a Democratic state as the majority of them live in big cities here and have majority votes as well, but good news is many of them love to hunt. Thus less B.S. when comes to hunting laws.. Just saying..
As far as Cali.goes let them have all the critters sooner or later they will turn on them and perhaps one will bite or kill the right persons family member for them to open their eyes..

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on February 22, 2025, 10:40 AM:
 
Tim. He shoots a 22/250.

I did a little research on the sheep and they were reintroduced in 1988 at Fort Robinson north of me. A few years later, they turned some loose in the Wildcat Hills where I live.

Some years Game and Parks will auction a tag at Sheep Show in order to raise money. The bids are scary high. Next month is a resident only management hunt. Half curl or less to improve the ratio between ewes and rams.

A few years back at Sheep Show, a fellow from California won the bid. 120k. I knew which ram he was after because I had several pictures of the ram before and during his hunt. He was huge and the guy killed him with a bow. I sent a couple pictures to my friend in Cody who guides sheep hunts in Alaska. I thought he would enjoy them.

Fast forward one year and the guy from California is attending Sheep Show and approaches the booth where my friend is working. He tells him the whole story of the hunt and my friend pulls out his phone and says. Oh, you are talking about this ram. The guy was dumbfounded how a fellow from WY could have a picture of the ram he killed in Nebraska.

Another time I noticed a half grown lamb that was limping and having a hell of a time just getting around. His back left knee was swollen to the size of a soft ball. I called game and parks and an hour later a couple of biologists arrived. They assembled their equipment and asked me how he was
walking. I said not worth a shit. The biologist laid the dart rifle back on the tailgate and picked up an oversized butterfly net. Well, I had to see this in action, so I asked if they needed help. They did. My job was to walk along a row of trees and keep the lamb herded back towards them. It worked like a charm and those two were able to practically walk right up to that lamb and net him.

The lamb was in terrible shape. Gaunt and very dehydrated. The main biologist examined the leg and determined it was rattle snake bite. They took him in town to the vet, but the lamb died two days later. Next morning the lamb's mom was in the area and was bleating nonstop trying to find her lamb. Kinda sad really.

On the cover of The Fur Taker magazine there is a quote from Gary Jepson which reads. The cruelest thing we can do to wildlife is fail to manage it. In my opinion, when the general public is responsible for making decisions concerning wildlife....That is failure to manage it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 22, 2025, 11:36 AM:
 
To repeat, we had a self sustaining policy. Lion hunters controlled the lion population, for free. Liberals got the vapors over the blood lust killing and thus, a moratorium. Consequently, lions vastly increased their numbers and lost all fear of humans, indeed, viewed the weak and the young as prey.

This is a stupid cycle that Liberals never learn. After intelligent and practical people exterminated the apex predator, a hundred years later, the soft headed among us have envisioned wild nature as an ecosystem fully compatable with wolves having a place where we tolerate the concept of eating themselves out of house and home. Bunny huggers having no concept of the results believe that their manipulation is somehow nature’s design.

So, until we can learn by mistakes, we will have to put up with misguided meddling falsely acting as if this is the law of the jungle. Never mind that humans have coped with wolves for thousands of years, instead we have taken a step backwards by reintroducing wolves. Until we get tired of programs that breed back prey species to maintain wild and free ranging wolf packs, we won’t recognize that this is a form of perpetual motion and stop the cycle that can only have a single outcome, nothing left, while the wolves are starting to expand their diet. What’s next, CHUMP?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 22, 2025, 02:43 PM:
 
" ........... but if the majority are non-hunters shouldn't it be ok on what they want or decide ???"

Listen carefully ...... Not no ...... but rather HELL NO !!

It's the sportsmen (and women) who fund everything outdoors thru license sales and tax revenue from that Pitman / Robertson-somebody act.

Then ........... the antis come along who's only contribution is a membership in Fund For Animals and not only want a seat at the table but an equal voice. They have no skin in the game and are too often merely rabble rouser / fund raisers from out of state big city interests.
Sometime you get snowed in and are bored, look into what members of the Board of Directors of various anti groups are pulling in compared to what they actually dole out for their noble cause.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 22, 2025, 06:59 PM:
 
Sure, wolves been hunted and an attempt to wipe them out because people fear them and don't understand them. And many places' wolves don't exist so that leaves the coyotes or big cats, same thing people don't understand them and thus fear them. Sure all wildlife needs to be managed long as they keep greed and blood lust out of the picture and show a little style in their efforts.
Years ago all the hunting mag.s showed dead critters, but it was done with some sort of style or respect. Now days people just through their dead critters from days hunt into a big bloody pile take a few hero pictures.
Take a look at how the P.H. in Africa handle and care for downed game and make them look as if the just sleeping. Also take a look at how Africa manages its game and try to allow all animals to exist cept in farming areas with high fences.

I would like to hunt wolves some day but also have no hate for them and same as for coyotes, i don't hunt them out of hate either. Just trying to do my part and help manage them is all.

Yeah Koko same here money from Lic. used for our wildlife which belongs to everyone and yes I think we have like 2-3 non-hunters on one of the boards here as well. Their job is to try keep everything up and up as you know some hunters tend to get greedy, so they tend to help keep them in line.

I know back a few years when we tried to get some laws changed as far as use of lights and thermals the biggest issue was safety and not heat from the 3 members on the board, they actually went along with it. Maybe different in your part of country, don't know.
I do know we now have more wildlife in our state than ever before except for waterfowl but that's out of our control. WE do good job of managing waterfowl here with safe bag limits and provide plenty of places for the ducks to nest. Problem is the southern states where the ducks and geese go to for the winter. Longer season and larger bag limits so the hunting guides can make a profit from our wildlife. Money and greed again and why I don't care for hunting outfitters.
We now have a huntable herd of Elk, stable deer population as well as black bear, Moose but they still struggling for some reason, we have wolves, few big cats, bobcats and few lynx, coyotes, red & gray fox, few wolverines. Non-game: Swans, eagles, Cranes that are now nesting here, which i never seen before in my entire life but now we have them, Loons, vultures and so on.
Anytime the state builds a new road and small area of wet land is removed then the state puts double the acres back in wetlands.
And at times wildlife is protected and relocated in area of new roads. Example south of twin cites we have the rare timber rattlers and if any found on project someone comes in and catches them and relocates them. We also had bats using some of the big box culverts and before new box culvert could be installed the bats had to be removed and same if any work was done around rocky areas. All the trout streams were protected as well from silt that could come off from a job and silt fences was installed to protect water.
We also had a job between two lakes and a rare turtle that crossed the road had to be picked up and helped across or relocated and later crossings installed for the rare turtles.
Had a job where we worked close to a Eagles nest and we could only work around that area for little time as possible and deturbed very little of the area, but we still got the project done. I worked around the area by the nest and enjoyed watching the two big birds care for their young and get chance to see them grow most days.
Thing is we have the anti and the pro as well as a middleman and we work to find a happy place in middle for both sides which is good all the way around. Maybe other states should follow suite and remember to give a little and get a little back in return, kind of like what Trump is doing with other countries. When man does not understand something then he fears it!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 22, 2025, 07:13 PM:
 
Years ago when the raccoon prices were high we had the coon wars. Wisc. hunters would come across border after our surplus of coon which was fine as we had a fair price for non-res. lic. But when Min. hunters went into Wisc. to hunt, Wisc. gouged the hell out of them so in return Minn. upped there non-res. lic. fees to keep things fair. Oh they didn't like that so both states had to rethink their prices on non-res. tags. And now both states have a happy medium or fair price. S.D is only state that wouldn't go along with it and many close to border like to come fish here so not much for changes on non-res. fees for fishing lic.
It used to be a Non res. had to buy a fur lic. for coyotes and fox but Minn. removed it for coyotes and now no lic. needed but still have to buy a lic. for fox and i think we have a bag limit for non-res.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 23, 2025, 09:51 AM:
 
Listen, Tim. The problem everywhere is that these "naturalist" types force their concept of Nervana on a population that doesn't want wolves screwing up the ecosystem. Just because they have some concept of nature that includes all of god's creatures existing in harmony that does not include the apex predator running amuck.

I used to have fish. There is certain measures to maintain a healthy and sustainable community tank. We have formulas, so many square surface areas X aireiation X so many inches of fish. When you add a shark or a pirrana(sp), pretty soon all you have is a friggin' SHARK TANK! Stand back, toss a chicken in there once a week and use utencils to clean the sand and for sure don't be sticking your arm down there!

So, that's what these fools are screwing with. Their concept of Kumbyah is slanted and distorted and impractical and won't work for anything but wolves. Wloves are doing fine on Baffin Island and Greeland, we were nuts to introduce them into Yellowstone....for instance. That's my opinion.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 23, 2025, 10:41 AM:
 
Yellow stone is a big park and no hunting in it anyway so what's it hurt? I think that's kind of the purpose of such parks isn't it? Safe haven for wildlife.

Oh I found a solution for your skeeter problem. Dragon Flys!

Was kind of wondering why there not many skeeters where i live but we do have like 3 species of dragon Flys and a few birds that eat them as well.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 23, 2025, 11:23 AM:
 
'Skeeter increases have gone crazy since the White Nose Syndrome got into the bat populations and decimated their numbers.
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on February 23, 2025, 12:50 PM:
 
The wolves don't always reside in Yellowstone. They sometimes venture outside the perimeter. There is the problem.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 23, 2025, 05:09 PM:
 
Sure Randy i'm aware of that.
The wolves here in camp Ripley venture out at times but from what i've read they have not been a problem with the local farmers or ranchers. One wolf ventured out in search of a mate and ended up way over by Green bay Wisc.
The farmers and ranchers do things a little different here as well when comes to livestock compared to ranchers in Idaho or Montana.
Do a read on Wildlife services and what they recommend preventing predation on their livestock. Many of the western ranchers stuck in their old ways and refuse to adapt.
Also take into account many graze cattle on state and fed. land and guess what the wolves live there as well as Grizz and big cats. Kind of like playing with fire.
How often does a rancher check on his cows that open graze in the big country? Did some get sick and got missed by the rancher? Where some up there in age that they could not defend themselves or even move around? or just laid down and died and wolf or coyotes come along and clean them up. Even dead that cow still worth money to a rancher they just turn it in as a wolf or coyote kill.
Not saying wolves don't kill livestock but saying perhaps not as many as we are led to believe.
There are good wolves and good coyotes and bad, the alphas teach young to stay away from livestock but if someone comes along and kills the good alphas then yeah the kids going to get in trouble till they figure it out or they don't.
Most of our cattle here come from out west for our feed lots and some of the meanest and crazy ass cow ever seen don't think they have much trouble with a wolf.
WE have a guy here along the big river and he raises over 100 head of sheep and has coyotes as well and never in all his years of raising sheep have a coyote come in and killed them . His coyotes learned to behave, And this rancher won't allow coyotes to be hunted on his land because his coyotes don't bother the sheep, and he fears if the alphas are killed then the young will turn to predation which makes sense. Can also read same stuff about it from wildlife services.
When i hunted the Res. in S.D. (you been there) I use to ask the ranchers if coyotes were a problem for them and many of them said no they don't bother the cows or calves, and I think Scott H. would agree with that.
Problem is a rancher don't want to take any chances, or he sees one coyote he tends to get nervous as they fear what they don't understand. So then wildlife services is called in to get rid of the coyotes just because the rancher saw one just loafing around.
Wildlife services was just taking money from the rancher, and I believe Scott was against that as well but the boss calls the shots.
Went with Scott on two calf kills and both calves was still born and one rancher even admitted it but the coyotes fed on them so yeah, they needed to be removed. all the ranchers had to do was remove the dead calf from the area and then there wouldn't be any future problems.
I did have one ranch where coyotes were a problem, think there was eight of them and they loved to kill and eat the guy's mule deer and the rancher happen to like having them around so yeah, the coyotes needed to be thinned out.
Sure some parts of the country there are some bad coyotes not saying there aren't and yes they need to be delt with.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 24, 2025, 11:31 AM:
 
I think it cannot be helped that when talking to a “rancher” you will get a flying fuck of an opinion, and that’s it. Add them all up and divide by the number of opines and you get nothing of substance. That’s the thing about statistics. There are lies, damned lies, and statistics! And 92% of them are made up on the spot!

Like all politics are local. Wolves are a subject that cannot be discussed intelligently because nobody knows a damned thing about the subject. If the facts were known, the world does not require a healthy, sustainable wolf population, wegardless of what the wildlife proponents tell you. Because they have skin in the game and everything they say about the subject will be tainted. Worse than a random yokel grabbed off the street, if they open their mouth, a lie will come out, because they are wildlife biologists, not expert witnesses.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 24, 2025, 06:58 PM:
 
Ok lets put all wolves in zoo's or just wipe them out completely. So now what do we do with the surplus elk, deer, sheep, cows????? Just let them die from disease, starvation because one area don't hold enough food for them or perhaps have hunting contests, cut deers ears off for proof and then just dump the carcass??? shoot a bunch like they do with hogs in Texas and then put in big pile take few hero pictures?
Minnesota, wisc., south dakota and who knows where else the deer have got cwd or whatever it's called and just keeps spreading when you have way too many deer around.
I think it was about 3 years back Minnesota had sourced earth hunts in N-W and S-E part of the state for deer. The sate put on a special hunt allowing locals to buy a tag for like a dollar for each deer they wanted to shoot, no limit just buy another tag. Not sure on the time frame for the locals but at a certain date then the hunt was called off and then wildlife services stepped in with sharp shooters and hunted till most of the deer in that area was gone. There are no wolves in N-W or S-E Minnesota thus the over-the-top surplus.
Not many of today's hunters are after the meat, they want a buck or nothing. Fine but we still need something in place to thin out the surplus doe's.
I hunted S.D. few times for deer wasn't uncommon to see about 100-200 does in one given area, that's too dam many. and when winter settled in the deer yards there was incredible, 1000's.
Last time out on Res. there is a creek and bridge you cross right before you leave the Res., I stopped there to shoot a porky pine and take a piss. I looked down below the bridge and counted 9 deer with heads removed and about dozen coyotes, coyotes were bringing 50.00 or more at the time but someone didn't want to mess with them, I guess.

Back in late 80"s I found a place to hunt antelope on the res., every ranch had them by the 100's, access was easy at the time also. Just drive to high spot in a big pasture and glass the herds till you found a nice one then plan your stalk.
Late 80's a big snowstorm blew through the area and just wiped the antelope population down to less than 100 animals. The coyotes sure ate good for some time. Following season, the coyote numbers was way up and dam lucky if you even saw one antelope, but if you looked around you could find bleached skulls all over the place.
Also, at the time not much for computation as far as calling coyotes except the rancher would shoot a few from the pickup in morning when checking cattle. Non-tribal members didn't want to buy a 20.00 tag to hunt Res. so i didn't see many white hunters there and had most land to myself.
When i would stop out there at DNR headquarters on Res. the head warden would give me a list of ranches they need hunted for coyotes, just to thin them out. Those were the good old days.

Here it is Feb. 24th, 54 degrees for a temperature no snow on the ground and only had the dogs out two days this winter cause that's all longer the little snow we had lasted. And now its raining hard out tonight.
The temp.s have been down which kind of sucks for night calling but the numbers here are way up due to no snow for the road or group hunters, can't hunt coyotes without it. Last winter same deal no snow but we had warmer temp.s at night which made for some dam good calling.
With numbers up this year, it was almost like calling in South Dakota. Went out other night with 32 for temp and made two stands and called in total of 9 coyotes which is dam good compared to years prior. had one spoiler last season when i had 8 coyotes come in on one stand...
Dam global warming".
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 24, 2025, 07:20 PM:
 
Google this; "Too many Elk in 70's and 80's and problems from it" Yeah we still need wolves...
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on February 24, 2025, 08:56 PM:
 
And yet every area where we've had wolf reintroduction shoved down our throats has resulted in a loss of deer & elk hunting opportunities for sportsmen.

Hopeless ......... I give up.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 25, 2025, 04:42 AM:
 
Many cases opportunity to hunt big game wasn't there due to landowners with locked gates. no hunting or only let a few hunters in or over charging. They got what they deserved.

If you would have googled what i posted, you would of read that elk are adapting to hunting and yes wolf pressure in many areas just like whitetail deer so hunter has very little chance of shooting any. Elk migration routes have also changed for many reason and local hunters that happen to live or hunt in a given area see very few elk so they cry wolf. The thing is there still id a good number of elk around but in places you can't hunt or are very limited. Not wolf fault.

Example; Where i live the area south of town mostly farmland and just happens to be a farmer with a 40-acre wood lot. Soon as the combines hit the fields the deer herd up in this wood lot. Group of hunters had permission to hunt this wood lot, but they lied to the landowner about crippled deer they were after.
They made a deer drive while landowner sat on driveway in his pickup to watch the hunt. Soon the deer come pouring out and they just kept dumping on them till shooter was out of ammo or what deer was left was out of range.
This landowner use to be a big hunter himself but after he saw what unfolded he never hunted again and thus closed off his land to deer hunters.
I was lucky my cousin owned adjoining land to the north and i also had permission to hunt another farmer's land to the west of this wood lot with fence about 100 yards away. This landowner only allowed me to hunt his land so i had the deer to myself but just had to wait for one to cross the fence line..
I hunted this area for over 20 years and no issues with landowner with big wood lot long as i stayed off his land. Then one day it finally happened i shot a deer just before dark and thought i hit it good but it made its way back across fence-line and into wood lot. I found pool of blood on corn stalks and picked up the bloody mess and put in a pale and went around to farmers place and told him what happen and showed him the proof.
Told him it was just me and if i could i wanted to see if i could go in and find the deer. He thought about it for some time and gave me the go ahead. I walked in and found the deer dead so no need to shoot up the place. recovered the deer and moved on.
For a while many of local deer hunters cried there are no deer around, I told them there are more than enough, but they have adapted to hunting pressure and now move around different. But i told them also go sit on a hill on road just before dark and look what comes out of the wood lot before dark. LOL Any way its same deal with elk herds in other parts of the country they just move to where there is less pressure (safe havens) and plenty of them still around.
If one would have read into the google info wolves was also mentioned and if wolves were around, they would have the herds broken up into smaller groups and also keep many outs of any safe havens as wolves can't read signs. it is what it is these days. LOL

Look into the news for many western states they have elk living next to town as well as deer, because towns become a safe haven for them from hunters and not wolves.

Take AZ for example they have a few safe havens for coyotes, wild pigs and whatever else there is, they are called golf courses. LOL

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 25, 2025, 04:58 AM:
 
Just curious but what Predator kills wild hogs and eats them?
Just read some news that wild hogs are now moving up into Mo., sounds like Texas, Ok and few other states need some good hunters or predators to keep their shit in check.

We keep our hogs in barns or pens. LOL
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 25, 2025, 08:55 AM:
 
In the news. Northern cali. got 12 new residents this week. They will show those cats who's boss.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 26, 2025, 11:34 AM:
 
Measel outbreak in Texas? WTF is up with that??
I suppose it was induced by Gov. or its just no one wants to get shots anymore these days. stupid.

Texas being overrun with Hogs?

Some landowner did a u-tube vid. on his hog control if you want to call it that. Dumb ass only goes out roughly once a month to thin out the hogs. Rancher claims all the hogs come off his neighbor's land which is 80 acres, and he don't allow hunting. But rancher said he owns all the land around that 80-acre island. He not put much into the removal of them that's for sure. well, its their problem.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 26, 2025, 04:05 PM:
 
You gotta remember, they lie! Sometimes I think it’s ranchers that are the most catered to.IDK?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 26, 2025, 04:16 PM:
 
All very interesting. Enough to throw my 2 cents in there.
I was at a large coyote contest one year, a long time ago. And the game biologist that had a talk to us said that they had wolves in Northern Nevada and that if we called any "Large" coyotes to not miss as they have been getting into the elk herds and eating a lot of calfs.
Also if you want to go get a lion, the tags are plentiful along the Sierra Nevada and Carson Range on into Desert Creek. Help if you have a hound but you can get one with a call if your lucky.
I wonder what the reason the wolf was extirpated all those years ago.
As for me They are like those worthless feral horses and donkeys everybody seems to love. I think management over protection is a clue on this garbage.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 26, 2025, 04:58 PM:
 
they probably keep the weeds down Walt. Also part of our history so i can live with that. I think DAA bitched about them alot that they over graze or make to many trails or what not. But hey stop and look where a jeep drives, they do just as much damage to vegetation as the other critters. And take in account some areas may have been closed up so I can see the jeep guys being pissed off as they don't have enough trails or rocks to drive on as there is. LOL

I got a nephew who raises goats, I don't know much about them but found out little while ago they eat all the crap like weeds ect. that other critters can't digest, not a bad thing is it?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 26, 2025, 05:44 PM:
 
Tim, I do’t think you know what you are talking about. Especially regarding mustangs. I have spent many years in northern Nevada. Preserving BLM for the benefit of wild horses and donkeys is just plain ignorant. And much is at the expense of Bighorns and pronghorns who aren’t allowed to drink at “burro” waterholes.

Much of the truth of Federal land is obscured, not politically correct. Aside of the Romanticism of the wild horse, they offer no benefit at all and are in direct competition with actual native wildlife. Even including jackrabbits. Yet, they want to dump wolves into the ecology! It’s stupid.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 27, 2025, 02:02 AM:
 
Sure Leonard but how much idle land does one need? No body lives out there but the critters, and future hunters are turning to crap in many parts of country and some I would go so far as to say they don't even make the hunter list. I think there is enough room for everyone in idle country.
Even here in Minn. the farmers are putting poor land back into CRP or similar programs and from what I can see it don't hurt dam thing and big plus for wildlife and its also huntable.

Wild horses? Yeah I seen many wild Mustangs on the Res. along with some antelope, mule deer, Buffalo and even Elk they all seem to get along fine. Also cattle graze some of same land except where they keep the buffalo.
I saw in news they are working on a burrow round up for Nev. to thin the herd a little. and other parts of country round up mustangs and auction them off as well. Money goes back to caring for what's left, so what's that hurt.
Many states in the duck/goose flyaway have land or refuges set aside for them as well which is good for them and other wildlife. Some refuges have areas set up along outer edges that allow duck and goose hunting as well so what's not to like.

I also saw in News Cali has like 3 of the largest dairy farms in the nation and owning thousands of acres of land as well. How much milk does Cali. need? LOL

Saw a vid other day two guys out coyote calling shot and crippled a coyote. Instead of just shooting it again they both just stood there and tried to stomp/kick the coyote to death with just there feet and then have whole thing on film and then post it on the live webb. Makes no sense. Shit like that is what's destroying the sport of hunting.
All the years i been hunting i never had any issues with anti-hunters from seeing my pictures or actually seeing a critter lying dead in back of my pickup on laying on ATV. and many times, had people ask if they could take a closer look at them and not once did i get anything neg.
Had a nice young lady stop next to my truck when i was out running my dogs, she asked if her and the kids could watch and politely asked to look at two dead coyotes in back of the truck. They enjoyed seeing dogs running as well as looking at the coyotes and she thanked me for allowing them to watch. Its like that all the time here.
I'd have a hunt going on with the dogs and farmers would stop and ask questions and just sit back out of the way and watch the hunts. also would gain extra land to hunt on.
Pull into gas station at end of a day of running dogs and have people come over and look at my dogs and results of my days hunts. Never a negative word.
Had my nephew along one time to help me and dogs find a cripple from night before, he has never hunted with me when i ran the dogs, so he was happy to see firsthand how it all works.
The dogs found the crippled coyote and run it into an old wooden corn crip on a vacant farm. I sent nephew in with pistol to help the dogs if they needed it. Nephew got right in corn crib with the dogs and the coyote and then called to tell me what was going on. I said just let dogs do their thing but make sure there was no junk in the way that could hurt the dogs. He was in the crib just a short time and said it was over with, and he was surprised how quickly the dogs did their job and were not sloppy about it.
I asked him what the dogs was doing now and he said just wooling the dead coyote, so i said call dogs back" and then put a round into the coyote with pistol make sure it was dead. My dogs never hunted with my nephew, but they did what he told them and that was to back away for the shot, he was surprised on how well they listened to him.
I asked nephew later if any of this bothered him and he said no it was over with pretty quick but did mention the coyote lunged at him but dogs jumped in between him and the coyote and put a stop to that. Keep in mind not everyone has dogs that handle like this, some guys are into the blood lust chest pounding crap i don't much care fore. Its all about respect for your game animal, we owe them that much.
Men with big ego's along with internet our biggest enemy.

Edit to add; maybe they could turn all the BLM land into farmland or pastures for cattle?? Thats thing about land these days if its not set aside for hunting and wildlife then it will get used for something else thats a given.
Farmers here farm right up to the fence line, no brush or trees along it for wildlife and if a farmer ends up owning a full mile section the fence line is removed and there is nothing left, nothing. What creeks we have, have been straighten out and most of tree's removed just have willows along the edge and farmer farms about 30 feet back from the water, that's it for cover for wildlife. And then you have nice areas close to a big city people are buying up this land for housing development so the new house owner can step out of his house in morning and look at a wooded creek or green grass that he grazes few horses in and most of these areas are closed to hunting. The core of some big cities has nothing for buildings or houses as everyone now wants to live on edge of town, what a waste. I think whole state of cali. is like that.

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 27, 2025, 05:55 AM:
 
Lions stalk and kill hogs. They love the piglets.
But as far as those worthless mustangs,and they aren't Mustangs, they are feral horses and burros. And there are a lot of horses that are still just left to pasture and never retrieved.
They mess up waterholes and keep the INDIGENOUS animals like deer and antelope away from the water and foul up the waterholes.Especially during drought conditions. Which are very precious to the native animals that are there. I would rather see a herd of antelope or mule deer. instead of horses and burros that do nothing but make some people think they are native and sooo pretty.
And as far as the land goes...The US Forest Service and the BLM have shut down so many roads and access out there you have to see it to believe it. One used to just look out across a valley and drive from here to there. Not any more. No access.
I live in TN now and have for a few years and I can sure tell you about no access to the forests here. Everything is fine if you are in your 20's and able bodied but other than that forget it. I can't walk the miles I used to walk when I lived out in NV. so my access is cut off. And why?I'll give you a hint. If you don't access the area they turn it into wilderness so no one can do anything with it. On and on...But I still think the horses and burros need to go instead of rounding them up and putting them into those corals for so called adoption or ship them off to some rancher in another state and pay them to keep them. I don't like my tax dollars spent on that.
Tim, maybe you have had to get permission from twenty farmers to hunt where you live but the Great Basin used to be free for any and all who ventured out and enjoyed the isolation and sheer vastness of it all. But a couple years after I moved here my daughter and her husband moved here and told me that a lot of those places we USED to enjoy are now all fenced off and there is no access unless you walk or ride a horse there. Lots of gates now so they tell me. I don't think you have a clue as to what I, Leonard and a handful of other old coyote callers are talking about when we tell you what was and why we loved that country so much.I hunted and called Nevada for 50 years and it's not the same anymore. And not for the better.
Just memories of a time that will not be anymore.
 

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Posted by NVWalt (Member # 375) on February 27, 2025, 06:02 AM:
 
Turn the land into farmland? They are already turning beautiful land into wind farms and solar panels. And those butt ugly things that aren't worth the powder to blow clean to hell. Give me a nuclear power plant anytime over those damn things.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 27, 2025, 06:48 AM:
 
its like that most anywhere you look Walt, the Res. in Dakotas is getting be same way and why I no longer hunt there, i use to have about 3/4 of res. to myself when come to coyotes.
Yeah, most land here is private farmland, you either know someone or are related to them to get hunting rights but no guarantee you get it to yourself. But now we have a lot of CRP and that land is leased out to high rollers that don't even live here, only good thing about it is they give me run of the place for just fox and coyotes so no complaints.
As for fenced areas in Nev. can mean a lot of things, keep pickups from damaging the land scape and probably keep those out as well that don't give a shit about some of the animals that live there, I'm sure some have shot a few out of anger??
On res. where i hunted its mostly grass land and if you drive off the track the tire tracks seem to kill the grass you drive over. Thats one of rancher's pet peeves and that's to stay on the trail they have already established. Have to be there to see it I guess.

Wind farms we had them here for years. The turbines start along south Dakota border some place along buffalo ridge and run clear across the state and way down into Iowa. Solar panels now in last few years but most are close to some sort of road and in an area that don't really bother wildlife and actually makes a home for some and can be sort of hard on the eyes so i don't look or give them much mind. wish I had 40 acres or so to put some on, its good income. N.D. also has turbines, but I have not been up there in long time. My older Brother use to run the crane that would set them.
Most of you guys are coyotes hunters so why worry so much about the deer.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 27, 2025, 06:55 AM:
 
Nuke power plant, I think Musk has plans for one soon and it be built or perhaps solar field to be put in one of western states and will take up 1000 or 10,000 acres, enough to power most of the U.S.. Im not real concerned about it, or I would have read more into it. Solar panels are low maintenance, wind turbines can be pretty costly as they have issues with the blades and also generators. Musk will get it straighten out.

We have many parks in this state Walt, not real big but we have them in most every county most are non huntable except a few they allow deer hunters to go into for special hunts.
Hiking trails and bike trails now getting to be a big thing but most run alongside a road or old rail road beds. you know they got mountain bikes or what have you that sell for around 4-5000.00? crazy

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 28, 2025, 03:01 AM:
 
Wyoming made the news again. Years back they had a guy run a wolf down after long chase with a snowmobile, short time later the wolf hunts stopped nationwide. Thanks to wyoming.

This time wyoming had a coyote hunt with use of snowmobiles allowed. A four-man team hunted two days with 46 coyote kills and those that hunted without avr. 3-5 coyotes for two day hunt.

In comment section as always, Peta cried foul about the hunt and i didn't much pay attention to their comments as same over and over.
What got my attention though is the fence sitters, some are hunters, and many are not, but both have no issue with fare chase hunts and understand it needs to be down to keep critters in check.
But after that hunt there was a good number of them that fell off the fence due to the way the hunt was conducted. Take a good guess to what side of the fence they went to?
Keep that sort of shit up and soon they all will have nothing to hunt or land to hunt on. I don't feel sorry for any of them they made their own beds.
I have nothing against use of snowmobiles for the hunt but least they could of done is keep their mouths shut about it. well, it's there problem now. Be sure to thank them when you see another gate go up on public land you use to hunt. LOL
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on February 28, 2025, 09:45 AM:
 
It’s hard to explain how I feel about Nevada. It’s too bad that it is changing. There is a road out of Fallon that goes up to the Interstate between Reno and Lovelock, hang a right to get to town. Used to be nothing there besides a public rest stop, now there is a gas station. And this intersection or junction used to be 30/40 miles from ANY sort of civilization, whatsoever. I haven’t been up there in a few years but I bet they now have a Carl’s Jr next door or a Taco Bell; or both. It’s hard to explain having lost something, but there is a loss of barren or desolete wilderness, bleak might also describe it. And as I say, which is meaningful: fire a shot and nobody hears it! LOCKED GATES! Grrrr! (like Wyoming)

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on February 28, 2025, 11:27 AM:
 
Its getting like that everywhere Leonard. Nobody wants to live in town anymore, so they find a nice little place hidden away and then build a house and before you know it another house goes up just down the road. The res. where I hunted was like that thus blocking access to the land and another person you needed to ask for access to get to the good stuff out behind the homestead.
We have 10,000 lakes or more here and now days everyone wants to build a cabin or house on the lake shore. They have one lake in the Cities all choked up by fancy housing of the rich like Jessy Ventura and they control the access to a lake that is owned by the state. No one owns the water or land underneath it. Some lakes you pay a launch fee to get on it to fish or what have you, not right but way it is.

I see trump is looking at getting cali. a bigger reservoir or building more of them. Thats something the state should of done years ago if water that big of a problem.
Also ICE arrested an illegal that is married to one of your gov. officials and Trump thinks your Gov. should get the boot as well so now's the time to find a replacement that likes to hunt.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2025, 10:09 AM:
 
How about a happy medium between Democrat Ghettos and wilderness? It’s called suburbia.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 02, 2025, 10:30 AM:
 
We call them hobby farms here Leonard. Most of the people that work in twin cities don't live there and commute every day to their jobs, thus need for new and bigger roads.

From reading in the news, it seems trump don't like you're gov. very much. Maybe in future you'll see some changes so make sure you got enough hunting ammo loaded up.

One of the wild wolves in Washington state got into trouble and has been delt with and removed of which i do agree with and rest of the pack is behaving like they should. Nice to see they all found a happy medium as far as wolves go. Thats way it should be.
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on March 06, 2025, 08:45 AM:
 
DENVER — Colorado Parks and Wildlife commissioners unanimously agreed to pay two wolf damage claims, totaling $343,416.37. The claims were submitted by ranchers for losses caused by wolves in 2024.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 06, 2025, 09:55 AM:
 
price of beef is up but that crazy, but then again if it keeps rancher happy..
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 06, 2025, 12:26 PM:
 
Can you elaborate on those claim amounts, Shaw? Did they eat the finest stud known in three adjacent states, or did they kill 3,000 head in one calendar year….or what?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 06, 2025, 01:52 PM:
 
last week at calf sales a 150-pound calf sold for 1200.00.
1200-pound slaughter cow is about 50.0 per hundred weights while 550-pound steers are fetching 145.00 per hundred weight.

Now either the ranchers were overpaid to keep them happy or the wolves killed more than just a few or could have just been one or two wolves doing the killing.
In Washingtons case they had just one wolf that went bad and was removed.

Now if they got into horses then the price can jump all over the place, but question is why would you leave a 100,000 horse out in a open pasture to begin with. That would be like Leonard laying his billfold on the car hood while he goes into a store to shop.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 06, 2025, 02:05 PM:
 
https://www.bing.com/search?q=colorado+wolves+kil l+livestock%3F&form=ANSPH1&refig=82cb9c8b1ac74e90aacb766381403b24&pc=EDGEESS

Here is the link Leonard.

In this link it was mentioned wolves have been coming into the state from Wyoming. Don't know where two ranches are located so can't say which wolves are doing the killing.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 06, 2025, 09:57 PM:
 
Under the right circumstances, I would have a hard time not killing a wolf. How believable is a claim of mistaken identity? Like I always said, a 300 yard coyote looks a lot like a 200 yard kit fox, especially at night. So, does a 300 yard wolf look a lot like a 200 yard coyote? Especially at night. I often wondered if I could distinguish between a lion and a jaguar along the border. You know. At night, etc.

Good hunting. El Bee 🐝
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 07, 2025, 08:46 AM:
 
That was sort of a issue when we got our light law and now thermal passed years back.
Proper animal I.D.!

Red fox coming to a call move different and act different compared to a coyote and in a thermal they do look much smaller.
Coyotes same way they approach and move about different.
Wolf has much longer legs and longer body and the head is different and most wolves called in here are just lone Lobo's.

Dogs also look different in size and behave different as well. A hunter needs to learn all this and helps to know your area and what is there as far as wolves, farm dogs ect.

When in question as far as identifying your target just refer to DNR hunter safety rules, you don't know then don't pull the trigger. Pretty simple.

accidental wolf kill? Yes can happen so better have evidence to prove it was a accident, try to just hide it and they find out then accident kill is removed from equation and same if you kill a farm dog. DNR will want you to show or prove your story and they will bring a dog onto the kill sight to look for evidence as well. Everything better add up. Day time kill. No excuses if you pull the trigger on non-game animal should know what you shooting at.
One advantage for my area of the state is wolves are not here and if one shows it's a lone Lobo and DNR may show some mercy, but don't count on it.

Before we had thermals it was just lights and one night there was 2 or 3 young hunters out not sure if they was calling coyotes or coon but anyway, they shot two horses and all they said they could see was the eyes. They didn't report what happen and just run away from area and got caught. Ended up with loss of hunting privileges, fine, and have to pay all on going Vet. bills and any farther down the road if anything is related to the horses be shot and not fully recovered. The horses could die 5 years later and if horse owner and Vet can prove it was due to their injuries and then the kids would have to pay for value of the horse as well. Question? Was it worth all that.

Years back couple of farmers cornered a big cat in a driveway pipe about 50 miles from where i live.
It was late in the day so they had to get some lights and a gun and few other tools to get the lion out of the pipe after they shot it. Then they hauled cat around in back of pickup for two days showing it off till the DNR showed up.
Lions are protected here, must have proof if it was a threat before they killed it. It has to be reported on same day of the kill.
When courts got done they took everything from trucks down to guns, lights and what ever else they had at time, plus a hefty fine. Was it worth it? LOL

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 07, 2025, 02:07 PM:
 
I accept your offerings, but as far as knowing the movements of certain animals I might be familiar with, there are times when you do not see the approach; suddenly there’s a cat peeking around the edge of a bush. Or, it’s a coyote shape but he is motionless and you didn’t have the opportunity to watch its behavior, or habits.

Listen, I damn near could have shot a horse, one night. There is a certain condition when an animal is being shaded by something like a hill or cliff and all you can see is eyes behind and in that shade. I’m just saying, I’ve killed a lot of cats and this particular horse, (I think it was a black horse) makes sense, any way. But, until he turned his head sideways, I was 98% certain that I was looking at a cat, and probably a lion; because their eyes reflect brilliantly at night. Well, I didn’t do it, but what if I had been up all night for two straight days, lack of sleep, lack of hydration, freezing, and who knows what other circumstances that might be involved in any mistaken identity. I shot a damned orange tomcat one night and there I was 100% convinced it was a bobcat, and what the hell was he doing out in the middle of nowhere? That’s the thing with cats, they can be so damned stealthy, that you just can’t figure out even if it’s nothing more than a friggin’ jackrabbit! And lack of sleep can do a lot.

I remember one time, I was a bit freaking out, what the hell is that, a damned spaceship or what? Don’t laugh, but a couple of minutes later, and it was almost morning, and we were looking at strange atmospheric conditions right on the dense atmosphere, Turned out to be the so called Dog Star rising! The damned thing twinkles and flashes red and white and it’s (can be) confusing as hell! Don’t laugh, if you’ve never seen this condition, it’s quite believable.

Any way, mistaken identity is a fact. It can happen.

Good hunting. El Bee

Edit: good for a laugh is to get a bunch of night hunters discussing the color of eyes, at night. Some will say green some say white and some say red and some say blue. It’s all different and looking at the same thing to different people, it’s amazing how two people can see the same thing and call it differently!

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on March 07, 2025, 04:47 PM:
 
LOL.

I've hunted with a light at night around cows, deer, and horses and don't remember eye color but do remember the size of the eyes. I think coon was green or blue. But i also try to give animal time to move its head a little you get a good idea of eye spacing as well and how far off the ground but remember here its mostly flat land.

Oh, fox maybe red in color but not sure as it's been a while as thermal sure makes the game better as far as I.D. a target animal.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 08, 2025, 08:35 AM:
 
Yeah, but my point is that if you have four people looking at the same animal out yonder, and start asking questions afterwards: every one of those observers will have a different response. Well, sometimes two will agree; yeah, those eyes were brilliant white. Never had someone say that the eyes were 3.5 inches apart, center to center. But that could be the famous Minnesota time warp! Who else goes, that couldn’t be a coyote, the eyes are a half inch too close together! I bet you a dollar to a donut that those Hayseeds think like that, & with the Swedish accent and all!

“Ya know, Sven. By golly! Those eyeballs are .25” too far apart to be a bye yimminy k-yo-tee!” Lol lol lol

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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