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Topic: Ultimate trophy ???
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Kokopelli
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posted January 04, 2025 04:52 PM
Stopped by the local swap meet today and stood around the fire pit with some of the regulars solving the problems of the world and such weighty matters. The subject of trophy critters came up with the usual Elk or Mt. Sheep, etc. being claimed as the Ultimate Trophy.
My two cents worth was Spot & Stalk Mt. Lion with Traditional Archery equipment would be the ultimate trophy of a lifetime. No dogs. No calls. Just a lot of hours behind glass and insane stalking skills to stick-bow range and then making the shot. Waaaaaay beyond my meager skill-set.
What say the Peanut Gallery ?????
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Leonard
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posted January 04, 2025 05:53 PM
It’s hard enough with a rifle, called. Forget treed by dogs, that’s just not something I would consider doing. I killed two at night back in the 70’s with a rifle and that’s a rare deed without your conditions, which are not even reasonable. Hey, I wasn’t targeting lions, I was hunting coyotes.
I suppose if your conditions were in pursuit of humans, spot and stalk, with bow, it would be a hell of a lot easier. But, what the hell, make conditions interesting, quarry is armed, has a shottie with buckshot and knows that you want to kill him.
How about if your target is a transsexual Martian with X-Ray vision and you must make a perfect shot with a blunt between the eyes at the only vulnerable spot and, that’s not out of the question, it’s come up before; I saw it in the movies!
Trying to keep it honest, we could stipulate the lion must be left handed and blind in one eye, which is a common genetic defect among Arizona cats. The fact that I just made that up, is immaterial, because I could just as well be right as rain. To make it fair, you should have to shoot lefty, if you are a rightie! See how these rules and conditions can get out of hand? You started with the ridiculous, not me! (Just kidding)
Good hunting.
El Bee
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TA17Rem
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posted January 04, 2025 07:23 PM
Ultimate trophy? Coyote and whitetail deer shot at less than 5 yards with scoped rifle and scoped shotty. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2025 09:33 AM
What about a Grizzly, from your sleeping bag?
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Kokopelli
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posted January 05, 2025 10:55 AM
That would be a 'target of opportunity' (as well as a sleeping bag full of oh shit).
I'm talking about deliberately going after a selected critter.
And no guide to find the animal and set your shooting sticks for you, either.
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2025 01:16 PM
I pondered the question for a couple minutes....
Here's what I came up with:
Something rare or unusual
Something formidable, or dangerous
quarry must be alert and wary
That's all the conditions I can think of,
off the cuff?
So, you are making a stand on an ice flow, working a dying seal pup hand call, armed with a recurve, arrow notched and settled in for however long it takes to entice the Killer whale (Orca) and then, mechanical release because your fingers would be froze within five minutes and then aim deep throat into the brain.
Seems workable, and now you must haul him out and skin for a shoulder mount; and save as much meat as possible. And, it may well be the first time ever attempted, much less achieved.
(take your time, the sun never sets at this latitude)
What do you think? Do I win?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Kokopelli
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posted January 05, 2025 02:29 PM
Well ......... The mechanical release would be a deal breaker. Fred Bear & Ben Pearson killed polar bears with recurves shooting w/fingers. Plus, I never learned how to shoot a release even in my compound days.
But I gotta admit that a shoulder mount Orca would look pretty cool on the wall.
Not sure about the tag application process, though.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 05, 2025 03:49 PM
How about sitting on end of a road culvert with a coyote Fastly approaching and it wants to be inside that pipe no matter what and all you got is scoped rifle and 1 shot. (browning 78)
No bears or orcas where I live so have to make do with what you got to make it a challenge.
Maybe sitting on the icey creek and you have a buck Mink coming in on a string, once again only one shot.
Or perhaps crawling into a snow cave with a full grown male coyote inside and you have just a ruger single action pistol and C.B. shorts for ammo and pack of dogs behind you just for back up.
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earthwalker
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posted January 05, 2025 06:45 PM
Never hound hunted cougar? Don't knock it until you've tried it.
You never tree every track you start.
You never have an easy race. If you go up the mountain side you'll go down to the bottom and have way up the other side.
It's not for the faint of heart doing it in snow and frozen ground.
A trophy is anything you make of it or want it to be.
Bobcat will run dogs into the ground some times. They have the lung power and are smart.
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Leonard
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posted January 05, 2025 07:29 PM
I don't hunt behind a dog pack, never have. Not knocking it, just never have. I'm on my second coon hound, love 'em, but she's just a pet. Come to think of it, I have hunted with dogs, killed a Russian boar flushed b dogs where you couldn't pry them out with dynamite. I've killed hogs from stand, also not my favorite thing, but you don't know until you try it, right?
My two lions were both taken at night, and it was memorable and a total surprise, I've called a couple more without success,, seem to wise up at least as quick as a coyote. Never saw them circle down wind though? Neither do bobcat, for that matter.
I've been told that all the cat family, have small lung capacity and tire quickly. I'd have to exclude cheetah, logically. I've hunted caracal, and pound for pound, they are the most athletic cat of all, including leopard, but leopard can haul a 200 pound antelope 30 feet up a tree, to avoid lions and hyenas. They are incredibly strong. Just try to hold a house cat that doesn't want to be held! Most experience would be bobcat, I've killed 30, maybe closer to 40? But still, taking one usually involves a bit of luck.
Good hunting. El Bee
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NVWalt
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posted January 06, 2025 03:43 AM
KoKo, If you want to stalk and shoot a lion go to Nevada along the border with Commiefornia over to Indian Creek in Smith Valley near Lake Topaz. There is a wintering grounds there for mule deer and if you are patient enough you can see on rare occasion a Mt Lion after all the mule deer there. The late wife and I have watched them a couple times skirting the mule deer herds that winter there.No lie. but we lived down there for a few years and have watched them on three different occasions using our spotting scopes. Very exciting really to see.
Also you can get a Nevada lion tag quite easily as the game department there doesn't particularly care for those big cats and it is on the border of Commiefornia where the big cats are protected.
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posted January 06, 2025 05:01 AM
Two springs ago while fishing a lake. Other half was across the lake looking back towards me and the dog. He asked what was the dog looking at? I looked over to the dog shrugged my shoulder and said "I said I don't know?"
I turned around and about 60 feet or so up the hill was a cougar looking at us. Our dog is a black mouth cur yellow colored. I had on a brownish type camo colored coat. I have no idea who it was stalking. When I turned around and it seen my face it took off.
I did walk up later and there had been deer go through earlier and the cougar was hunting them. It never did leave a track I could find.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 06, 2025 05:18 AM
Earthwalker; Nothing against dogs ..... It's just not for me.
Walt; That sounds like an awesome experience. Most of my Nevada memories are coyotes, a called in cougar, more coyotes, cold, colder, and really cold.
Did a lot of calling from Winnemucca up to Denino and French Glen in Oregon. Good times.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 06, 2025 08:20 AM
Dogs? depends on if they mine or someone elses. Nothing like watching dogs work whether it be birds or furbearers.
You go out and build your own bow and arrows for satisfaction and can do same with dogs. A good blood line most of the traits are there but you still need to put the time into them and fine tune them just like a bow. And then set them lose on a free cast and see all the magic they can do on their own.
Chasing game with a dog is no easy task but better the line you have the better the chase is, you win some and you lose some. You can train your dogs to kill like a pit bull, (messy)or train them to kill in style like a Mongoose working a cobra and go straight for the throat. I never had a coyote that could not be skinned and sold after dogs made a kill and still get top price for it if the fur is prime.
Watch two cowboys on horseback head and heal cattle and then watch a pair of dogs do same thing with a nasty coyote.
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posted January 07, 2025 01:26 PM
Watching any dog do their thing with hunting is wonderful.
A bird dog, a cow dog, a hound dog.
Any working dog is wonderful.
Would love to make a bow and arrows. Shoulders are more or less shot now can't even pull the bows I now have.
Dogs aren't for everyone and I understand.
Wasn't trying to start a fight.
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TA17Rem
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posted January 07, 2025 04:02 PM
Hey it doesn't hurt to kick Koko in groin once in awhile.
Reminds him he still a man. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
and at his age he needs to be reminded.
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Kokopelli
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posted January 07, 2025 06:07 PM
At my age, indeed. I have a mind like a steel trap. Rusty & closed but hey most of the body parts are still in working order. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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DanS
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posted January 10, 2025 07:24 PM
when you said trophy, I was thinking a 20 something blonde like you see AI make on the internet
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Kokopelli
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posted January 10, 2025 07:32 PM
What ???? ................. You mean that those aren't REAL ??????
I'm shocked !!!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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