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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 18, 2021, 02:11 PM:
We're having us a Gun Show week after next !!!!!
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I rarely buy anything but it's cheap entertainment and good to be around good folks !!!!
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2021, 02:27 PM:
Good for you! And I mean that sincerely.
Ever since the Los Angeles Board of Supervisors decided that the LA County Fairgrounds were not suitable for the largest gun show in the country, I sorta lost interest.
The ones we have now, you can't even buy ammunition because the local Fire Department decided it was a fire hazard. Total BS.
I went to one in El Paso last time I was down that way and it was invigorating. Even traded a couple guns; unheard of in The People's Republik!
Why am I still here, you may ask!
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 18, 2021, 06:26 PM:
All for the good of the people by the people who rule the people.
Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on August 19, 2021, 11:21 AM:
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Why am I still here, you may ask!
OK. I'll bite. Why are you still there, Leonard?
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 27, 2021, 06:42 AM:
He's still 'there' because in 1974 he buried sixteen pounds of Krugerrands in the yard and now he can't remember where. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Ok ........... I'll go quietly.
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 27, 2021, 07:25 AM:
Semp, my friend....
As a kid, we went to visit relatives in the phoenix area and I always thought of it as historical, almost magical, taking hikes around South Mountain, roller skating at one of the Ramada's scattered around. I mean, all the girls did, and I wandered around because up until then, the only coyote I had ever seen was a road kill. I was only 12-13, or so.
But I loved it, it was exotic, as far as I was concerned. Wild West, Indians, etc. Always looked forward to those trips, even though all my cousins were girls and I had a bit of a relationship with one of them.
When I was married, we still got together on holidays from Christmas and Easter and July 4th, Labor Day, but the difference was that Nance was not impressed with the heat. So, I spent time trying to show her what Arizona had to offer besides Phoenix Valley. I had it in my head, a vague idea that we could retire and move to the various four corners, but it was always a hard sell. It was a little encouraging when her brother and wife moved to Sedona. We actually started talking about golf property in Oak Creek or maybe?
But then she passed away suddenly and I've been in a deep funk ever since, soon to be 16 years since she died. Except now it seems really difficult, I am so entrenched in this house for 47 years. Now, I have health issues and my provider doesn't practice in Arizona. In fact, my brother in law, after his heart bypass, was driving to California for many years, and now has severe Biden symptoms.
So, maybe right now my excuse is centered around the health issues. Secondary is that I'm not in shape to do the leg work involved to find my dream Hacienda. I headed that way a year and a half ago, got as far as Phoenix and turned around, made it back home right at dawn and went to bed for ? a long time....
It takes a certain amount of strength to drive 5-600 miles and look at property. Yes, I've done some looking on line, for what that's worth. But still, I'd have to hire somebody to pack my shit and move me in; at some location yet to be determined, and then what the hell do I do about all my medical records, finding a doctor, and a specialist or two.
Do not think this has not occupied a lot of my thoughts, if not actual actions. There are days when I think I need to stop kidding myself, I'm going to die here and that's that. But, the dream is persistent. I admire and envy guys like Paul and ko ko who can pack up and just move to Arizona, like it's an easy thing to do. Whereas, I see lots of obstacles.
So, that's the short version. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 27, 2021, 07:47 AM:
Sixteen tons of Krugerands reminds me if an amazing story. Not far from here is the Cable Airport, general aviation. My son worked in a machine shop right across the street, on Benson. There was another employee who lived near by, renting from an old man who owned one of those properties that didn't look like much driving by, but it was about ten acres behind the main house.
So, the old geezer that was his landlord told him that years ago, he buried $10,000 in the back yard, and now he couldn't remember exactly where; now remember, this is a true story. Anyway, the guy died after giving my son's friend permission to dig and if he found it, it was his.
So, he dug and dug, with a backhoe and damned if he didn't find it, but by then, he had earned it. Of course, I knew about it, as it was going on and you never think these dreamers will ever find anything, but he did and I, like everybody else was amazed and astounded. Not to mention that the guy that found the money was not the brightest bulb and I didn't even know if his story was true, not knowing the old guy, etc. But he was at least systematic and had a grid pattern laid out, so there was some method to his madness. It's the nearest treasure hunt I ever heard of, that panned out, so WTF?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 27, 2021, 08:24 AM:
Yeah, ......... Somewhere out in our desert is (supposedly) the buried loot from the Wham Payroll Robbery that's never been found.
Kind of neat walking out to a stand watching for tracks, pottery shards, gold bars and that kind of stuff. Ya never know ............
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 27, 2021, 08:56 AM:
I tend to fill my pockets with certain rocks that bear evidence of being worked by stone age Amerinds, always hoping to kick up a coveted Clovis Point one day, stuff like that. I'm not much of an expert on pottery shards, but thee is no doubt that Mastodon hunters have passed over the exact same ground that you and I traverse looking for a place to make a stand. The idea that nobody has ever walked where you walk is not true. They were here, some stayed, some moved on, but this country have been pretty well trampled for something like 17,000 to 18,000 years and it all depends on whenever some archeologist discovers an earlier land bridge across the Bering Sea. But if the Bison found it, the hunters followed the Bison, or actually, there is some question if Wapiti and Eurasian Brown bears crossed at that time or whether there were ancient horses and camels and saber-toothed cats indigenous to the La Brea tar pits. There is a lot to be learned about the geologic history of North America. I don't know, maybe a little silly, but I feel kinda awesome, sneaking around in the desert because other places are well occupied these days. Call me a Desert Rat, it fits me ok.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 27, 2021, 10:15 AM:
Ah yes, The Bering L:and Bridge; 17,000 years ago.
I have a number of issues with that whole theory and before Dean Swanson's retirement from Discovery Park we discussed it several times.
My main problem with it is the timeline. Alaska to the tip of South America in <20,000 years. By people who's life expectancy was about 35 years. Dean Swanson would state facts based on hard evidence. I would counter with common sense.
For example ...... I can understand migrating out of Alaska. It's cold and a tough place to survive. So ..... down they coast we go. On foot & without maps. Plus the need to learn new flora and fauna in each Life Zone. There's a lot of ways to die if you don't know what you're doing. More so if your 'Doctor' wears feathers and shakes bone charms at your rattlesnake bite or tummy ache from eating the wrong mushrooms.
So ....... Somehow our travelers make it to the Sacramento River Delta. This is where my argument is that the migration takes a long pause.
THERE'S NO REASON TO GO ANY FARTHER !!!! {Country Boy Logic 101}
Everything that a Lithic People could possibly want is right there. Climate, mountains, ocean, fresh water year around, ample game & fish.
Until the resources in central Calif. were exhausted and the people with a life span of less than four decades over-populated, I maintain that the migration was stalled for a long time, messing up the entire timeline.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 27, 2021, 12:12 PM:
The only thing you have not considered was a hostile reception from the locals, already enjoying the benefits of the Sacramento River Delta.
I've seen it myself at opportune spots along the flyway, opening day for Dove season, coming up in a couple days. I've seen the same thing when fishing in the Sierras and somebody tries to control two rocks by leaving a rod propped by one, and thereby hogging a couple choice spots along a crowded shore.
I'm just saying, there are inducements forcing a group of immigrants into a virtual nomad lifestyle, like it or not.
Anyway, it's all speculation, but some of those cave diggings in Ecuador cause "scientists" to claim more like 22,000 years ago, carbon dating and other methods.
Others might suggest they traveled by kayak those thousands of miles against the japan current, and just between you and me, some of this evidence just doesn't add up. So, even if you accept traversing those impenetrable central American jungles, visiting with the Mayans, (just kidding) it's still Academics doing what they do best, speculating and calling it evidence because of that PhD they award each other rather generously.
The truth is elusive.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS and then we do not want to talk about early man with the Caucasian features. But the Indian tribes squashed all speculation on that interesting discovery.
https://www.science-frontiers.com/sf109/sf109p02.htm
[ August 27, 2021, 12:16 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on August 27, 2021, 02:38 PM:
Hostile reception or getting caught shagging the Chief's daughter would be a couple of reasons to be gettin' gone. The timeline still does not seem right. Even Nomads tended to have a core area. A very large core area but one traveled in, usually with the changing seasons and available resources.
Kennewick Man created quite a stir when they found him. The forensic recreation looks exactly like Capt. Jean Luc Picard. Clearly a case of time traveling white people looking for Natives to oppress.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 28, 2021, 10:08 AM:
As far as I am concerned, the so called "native American" tribal groups can be serious bullies when they lay claim to a lot of discoveries, accidental or sponsored digs.
It's like that with a good number of their "claims" or whatever you call it. I don't give a shit, but there were no good guys and bad guys in these relationships and encounters. Such as incontrovertible evidence of cannibalism, like finding human bones, cracked lengthwise to expose the bone marrow....guilty as charged! They are a little squirmy about negative press and therefore suppress, as in censor, any mention of proof that their ancestors were just as guilty as any of the grass skirt savages in Equatorial Africa. So much for the "Noble Redman".
What does that have to do with anything? Don't know? I also do wonder about the young maidens smothered, wrapped in blankets and placed as an "offering" on a few mountain tops in south America. All I know is that the science, and knowledge derived, probably should not take a back seat to political correctness.
Kennewick Man should have created quite a stir, but my understanding is the US Army Corps of Engineers gave the remains to the local indigenous people, who promptly pushed those remains "under the rug." Can't have any stray claims to "First Americans" after all.
Because, a few hundred years from now, somebody might start questioning title to 25% of the northeast corner of Arizona and how few people there are, with a Hogan every couple of miles, is squatters rights justified considering the wealth in minerals, and all that shit. All I'm saying is the most recent conquerors need to maintain control with force, not court decisions. Whatever, end of rant!
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: tried to reread the above and all I have to say is I haven't had a drink in several weeks!
[ August 28, 2021, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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