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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 05:10 AM
Bunch of pics from a backpacking trip last weekend with my son and our friend Pete. Know some of you guys enjoy this stuff too.
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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 05:15 AM
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Anasazi femur? I'd hesitate to even put that out as a guess. But Pete is a molecular biologist, headed a lab at Johns Hopkins for 30 years. Has done hundreds and hundreds of necropsies, knows anatomy etc. and he said he thinks given the Anasazi small stature it very well could be.
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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 05:20 AM
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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 05:22 AM
Last batch...
That's it!
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CrossJ
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posted March 26, 2016 05:53 AM
Awsome as usual.
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Lonny
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posted March 26, 2016 06:12 AM
Incredible!
Love this stuff and as always your pics are fantastic.
I find it surprising that stuff like this still exists in our country. Especially in a form that looks largely untouched since whenever the previous occupants left.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but are talking somewhere in the neighborhood of 800-1000 years ago when these places were occupied?
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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 06:40 AM
Lonny, that timeframe is correct.
Sadly, the stuff is disappearing... Any artifacts that can walk away, are, not so slowly. Things like pottery shards, arrowheads, stone tools, cordage, sandal fragments etc. You don't see nearly as much of that now as just ten years ago and compared to twenty years ago it's all but disappeared already.
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Leonard
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posted March 26, 2016 09:02 AM
Dave, your contributions are just outstanding! Thank you very much! You think a few of us are interested and you are mistaken. I think a vast majority literally swoon over this shit!
Speaking of the anasazi femur, this reminds me of something our native american people would just as soon suppress, as not.
CANNIBALISM. They claim it didn't happen, and the proof is verbal history, but explain that bone cracked open to get at the marrow?
Also, I'm sure you are right about the few artifacts disappearing. 800 years versus the last ten years of casual trekking. It's hard to resist picking up that rare obsidian blade!
Speaking of which, where do you get your information? Individual research or is this available available if you know where to look? Maybe closely held between a few knowledgeable people? I wouldn't know where to start but I have had the suspicion that I have been not too far away, had I known.
You know, aside from a calendar or postcards, you might consider self publishing a coffee table book of all your photos. You must have hundreds, maybe more? I'm sure it would sell.
Thanks again. I love this stuff!
Good hunting. El Bee
PS don't forget to pack out the coprolites.
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posted March 26, 2016 01:23 PM
Awesome !!!!
Thanx !!!!
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DAA
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posted March 26, 2016 06:41 PM
Glad you guys enjoy!
Leonard, if by information, you mean knowing where to find the stuff, there is a ton of it that's basically published/common knowledge.
All the stuff on this trip would fall in that category.
The best stuff though... Closely held information. I find it by doing a lot of research and a lot of walking. For the most part, nobody is going to share the location of a really cool "unknown" site. I know a couple guys that are really into it and we'll share info, but I'm talking guys I've hiked hundreds of miles with, camped many nights with and found a lot of cool stuff together with. If I find something on my own and they ask, I'll tell. And vice versa.
Funny thing though... We never ask about the very best stuff we find on our own.
As a for instance. A guy I'm going backpacking with in three weeks, found a fully intact Anasazi pot last year. Beautiful thing! And I know sort of where he found it. If I asked him for GPS coordinates to it, he'd give them to me. But I haven't asked. And, in fact, three weeks ago I spent four days hiking my ass off trying to find it on my own and failed.
Sent him a GPS track and asked him just to tell me whether I'd been warm or not. He said I'd probably been within 20 feet of it!
It's like a lot of things. The fun is more in the looking, than the finding? Or at least, it's a heckuva lot more satisfying to find it on your own.
And yeah, cannibalism. Interesting subject! Not politically correct. Dense book, written by academics for academics, not an easy read at all, but goes in depth on the subject of cannibalism on the Colorado Plateau a thousand years ago Man Corn.
After reading the book, I put two and two together and found the site (off the south end of the Book Cliffs). Same guy that found the pot, has looked for this site a couple times. Knows I'd tell him if he asked, but he hasn't asked ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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posted March 26, 2016 06:46 PM
And, dang! Only $40 for that book now. I had to pay $75 for it five years ago...
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posted March 26, 2016 07:46 PM
Cool story Dave about how you guys want to find the relics and sites on your own. Totally understand too.
I just sent about 10 minutes looking at all the little details in your pics. There is a lot to see. Heck, I find it interesting to look at the remnants of pit houses in this area and all that is left is simply a low spot in the ground. What you have pics of is a million times better.
I'm pretty sure I'll never see something as unspoiled as this in my lifetime and I appreciate the visuals!
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Leonard
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posted March 26, 2016 07:55 PM
I've done a lot of climbing in the Book Cliffs, myself. Deer hunting. But, I'm sure, not as extensively as you. And, I had antlers on my mind, so...
Man Corn, eh?
You are quite an interesting fellow!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 27, 2016 05:22 AM
really neat photos, would love to see some stuff like that but mostly would like to be able for my son to se some stuff like that before its to late, we have talked about going out that way and looking at some that we would be able to go look at, but for now we will keep looking at your photos, which is almost like being there dave, top shelf pics
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posted March 27, 2016 07:38 AM
Thanks for the visuals, Dave!!
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Leonard
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posted March 27, 2016 09:51 AM
Well, nothing like being there, but with these photos, you can sure transport yourself into it, perhaps a tensy bit?
But, something I noticed and meant to comment on. In the below photo, I'm just baffled as to the purpose of the twigs stuck into the top of the doorway? Anybody venture a guess?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: maybe as like for a primitive curtain rod? You know, poking/weaving an animal skin to keep the "flies" out?
edit: in any case, wouldn't it be so special to spend a night in those accommodations?
[ March 27, 2016, 09:57 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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posted March 27, 2016 11:17 AM
I noticed the same thing Leonard and wondered what I was looking at. My guess is the builder shoved those sticks in there for primitive rebar and possibly over time some of the mud mortar fell out exposing the sticks?
My guess is like even now, some people back then were better builders than others... Hell, maybe the wife was telling her husband to get off his ass and fix the doorway and this is what he did.
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posted March 27, 2016 01:06 PM
maybe, but look at where the lintel is? Gotta think that after scratching your scalp for a couple hundred years, somebody would get fed up ad break those suckers out of the way? Maybe some sort of religious significance? unlikely
No, I think they served a function. I mean, it's not very neat and tidy. They could easily have done a better job if it was only decorative.
When you look at the labor that went into the whole enchilada, climbing up there with a jug of water to mix the aggregate, etc. In fact, it does not look like they used straw for the adobe as did and do Mexicans, but if you ask me, it looks more durable.
The effort is truly mind boggling. There must be an erie feeling, sundown approaching; like a Hellerman novel, spirits jumping out of the kivas, etc.
Gobsmacks me!
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted March 27, 2016 01:38 PM
Is grand gulch shown on any maps, or is that just your term?
In the photo below, construction appears a lot different, use of timber, for instance. If you have ever seen the type of construction used in Taos Pueblo, they have a completely different idea for doorways, the only entrance is by ladder climbing to the roof and then down inside by a hatch in the roof using the same ladder.
Also, in the photo, there are two large slabs lying close by, I assume for sliding in to the door opening, thereby making defense a lot more practical.
Another question. Was access always obvious or did you have to think about the best way to get up there? Was there only one way and that's the reason why we see some of those blockades that seem to serve no other purpose?
I'm really mystified or enchanted, or; man, this shit is friggin' awesome! You will always treasure the experience, Dave! I know I would!
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: I'm not sure how it's done on a PC but on a MAC, I just start with my fingers pinched together and spread them on the touch pad which enlarges everything. I notice so much more detail, when blowing up the photos and it shows the quality of Dave's megapixel camera. How many?
edit: like for instance, is that large beam sticking out on the left. Seems like it would be perfect for hanging a carcass?
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posted March 27, 2016 01:52 PM
lb, I like me some joe leaphorn too. used to read them but now my son gets them for me on cd from the library to listen to in my company truck. he has been getting me the nero wolfe's lately
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posted March 28, 2016 07:23 AM
Awesome pictures as usual Dave. Once again, thanks for taking the time to share them with us.
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