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Funny thing, the Connecticut government already knew about the caller's (husband's) rifle since they had sent him a letter directly. So what need would there be for registration of a gun they already knew of? The whole thing is stupid.

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I read somewhere that letters were sent to those who tried to register their weapons after the deadline had passed.

From my perspective, the first shot fired during a confiscation will be the new "shot heard around the world".
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 02, 2014, 06:05 AM:
 
Large scale confiscation will never work easily but small scale, most will stand by "at the ready" until they come for theirs. Unfortunately, they will be alone, same as their neighbor was while they were at ready.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2014, 07:08 AM:
 
Like they say; everybody is afraid to die.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 02, 2014, 09:22 AM:
 
The key here, IMO, is for communities to be proactive. Don't wait for the "law" to show up at your door step to put up what will amount to a very short-lived you versus ten of them defense resulting in death, likely yours. Instead, plan ahead. Organize gun owners and be prepared to strike where and when needed at a moment's notice. Quick Reaction Force (QRF) type stuff. Ensure that you are able to take the fight to them, with overwhelming force. And make sure your intentions to act defensively are well know. LEOs overreaching might be willing to attempt confiscation on a people who appear complacent and vulnerable. Only a total idiot would be willing to launch what would amount to a suicide mission against a well organized and well-armed mob.

Same thing with all these armored military vehicles municipalities are acquiring for crowd suppression, aka, civil process service. Already, the media and a lot of people are quaking in their shoes over just seeing them. Those vehicles are intimidating, but not completely invulnerable. Identify weaknesses and develop contingencies ahead of time to deal with their use. If I was an LEO, facing a complacent and vulnerable minority of, say, gun owners, I would probably feel pretty bold and confident about how effective I will be in an APC. The attitude would be different if I knew there was a good chance that same mob had done its homework and was prepared to disable my armor box and leave me in it to die a slow, torturous and lingering death.

The fight between us and the government, should it ever happen, will not be a flash in the pan. They hope it will, but when going against superior firepower such as military weaponry, civilians will be best served to be very selective in picking the time and place to stand their ground. The American Revolution was simply a well-organized insurgency against the crown. We need to learn the lessons offered and benefit from those sacrifices made.

Not that I haven't been thinking this through. I just have a lot of active-duty warriors and heroes no longer in uniform with whom I share common thinking and the subject occasionally comes up.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 02, 2014, 10:13 AM:
 
That is a borderline post, Lance.

I might have to re-evaluate my membership here.

You, my friend, have forgotten that police officers are American human beings just like yourself, and your family member who is in law enforcement.

4949 out.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2014, 10:24 AM:
 
Come on, 49. Don't get excited over one single post on a site that does not edit or delete what members say.

This isn't a organization with a covenant. Lance is free to post his ideas, no matter how ill-conceived. That certainly does not mean to include you as a buddy to his rant by virtue of your registration on HM.

If you ask me, your comments are just about as indefensible as are his, albeit for different reasons.

This country used to be great because we had the right to say something stupid or outrageous, without the stormtroopers kicking in the door.

But, do what you have to do, Amigo.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: see here http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026804579411110505865626?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion&mg=reno64-wsj

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 02, 2014, 11:15 AM:
 
If the govt wants to start confiscation let em start in the barrios in LA, El Paso, Tucson, Sam Diego etc. Then move the strike forces into Trenton, Detroit, Houston, Cleveland, Watts, Harlem, Oakland etc. Disarm the slums where over 85%+ of ALL SHOOTINGS OCCOUR! Then if they still lookin to disarm the public, EVERYONE will know what the intentions are. I support the police disarming all of THE KNOWN CRIMINALS, you know, the ones who have on record, a history of committing violent crimes but are seemingly overlooked when counterfit polytitions (miss spelled on purpose) rant about banning guns. Lets encourage the phony sonsabitches to get up off their asses and earn their salary.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 02, 2014, 11:57 AM:
 
C'mon, Nick. You honestly don't think this mindset prevails in at least certain parts of the country today? There aren't folks in NJ who are prepared for this. That's a sad thing to think. Maybe the reason we are where we presently are is that people have been taught to sit around and grown accustomed to acting reactively rather than looking forward. Hell, I was taught this most basic principal as a Boy Scout - Be Prepared. And don't even invoke my relative who was an LEO. He chose to stake his flag with a corrupt police department and county attorney in the proceedings with my wife and I haven't spoke word to him since and have no plans to do so as long as I draw breath. Not a good position from which to try and find leverage with me. I was born, and still maintain, an abiding sense of right and wrong. I am a STAUNCH Libertarian and by God, the Constitution offers no leeway in its interpretation. If and when LEO's are given the order to trample my Constitutional rights, each of them - each of YOU - will be faced with the need to make a decision. You may only get that one chance and it may only be available for a very small window. Do NOT assume there won't be resistance.

You can read my "rant" however you see fit, but my training, whether in EMS or the fire service, was always to act proactively. Always assess what you have, evaluate what's been done and determine, based upon the information you have, what needs to be done to get ahead of the situation as it evolves. The last place I ever want to be is to be standing there saying, "Wow, Didn't see that coming."

Fact is, I'm surprised at your reply. You strike me as being the same sort as me. You have guns in your home and you are prepared to defend your castle from invasion if necessary. I presume you support CCW and see it as a reasonable means by which a person can defend his- or herself from wrongdoers. You likely own a fire extinguisher and are prepared to use it in the event of a fire. I hope you follow the news and are concerned about the intrusions on our civil liberties by the government. All these are indicative of being proactive.

It's nearly Spring time here in Kansas and we are reviewing and going over our emergency response plans, in our homes, in our local communities, in our counties and states just in case a tornado hits us. Those plans involve what we need to do both before, and after the incident occurs. We don't just sit on our collective asses and wait for bad stuff to happen. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Instead of "didn't see that coming," I prefer "I got this."

Apparently, you and I have a disagreement as to how far those plans should extend. To me, that means as far as the law allows, and by law, I mean our God-given rights as outlined in the Constitution. Including the Second Amendment. Especially the Second Amendment, the Amendment with which we will be able to defend and protect all other Amendments.

Do I expect this to happen? Not here. Maybe in CT, but very unlikely in KS. Hell the first Civil War started because Kansas stood its ground and we will stand our ground again if necessary. I've already posed the question to the LEO's in this area and have been told - without exception - that the feds can go straight to hell. Not a single LEO I know is stupid enough to tackle the bear on this one, even if they are anti-gun.

As far as CT, if an when they do resort to confiscation, I personally think neighboring states need to be prepared to step in and assist in defending the rights of pro-2A groups, and yes, by whatever means necessary. After all, we are the "UNITED" States, you know. We run the nut farm, not the government and not law enforcement. Community standards determine what is and what isn't acceptable, and if the state starts confiscating guns and jailing gun owners, they have stepped too far. I hope you don't think I am alone in this opinion. If so, you simply are not prepared.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2014, 12:12 PM:
 

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You mean like down in New Orleans? "Somebody, hep me," Bush don't care about black people"

Then, the cops waste their time beating up an old lady and confiscating her gun. Which she desperately needed to defend herself from roving gangs of blacks.

I think we can find a number if instances where law enforcement seems to be making plans to deal with law abiding conservative crackers that Homeland Security has identified as a threat.

Maybe they are perceived as a threat because they might object to being disarmed?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 02, 2014, 07:26 PM:
 
So 49, let's say you are given the order to confiscate weapons like the red coats did.

Which side are you on?
Will you ignore the Constitution?
Will you say you are only following orders?
Why does anyone who stands for the Constitution become the enemy?

Civilians have families too, as well as rights, rights our founding fathers thought worth defending.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 02, 2014, 07:32 PM:
 
I think he's upset that I would even say the things I did. I guess if you're going to start taking away our rights, you may as well start with the 1st Amendment.

Just joking. I like and respect Nick. I suspect that our differences are more the culture of being an LEO in NJ and being a patriot in KS, and nothing I said there can't be found written ten ways to Sunday either in books or online by people like me who are sincere and serious in our concerns. We see the growing panic about people like us who the fear mongers claim to be subversives as a symptom of a problem best prepared for rather than dismissed as being way out there on the coasts where it won't affect us. personally, I like the elitists' predominance of aversion to all things fly-over country. The less you like us, the greater chance that you'll never actually show up here to tell me how I can live my life better. Dirt and cow shit are perfectly fine with me, thank you very much.

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 02, 2014, 08:11 PM:
 
You know, guys like George Washington and the rest of our founding fathers would have been hung for treason had the British won the war. I'm sure the minute men were law breakers too.

I hope to God our gov't doesn't ever get that far out of hand and force another revolution.

Luckily for us, most of the best and brightest work for the private sector and not the gov't.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 02, 2014, 08:45 PM:
 
I like and respect Nick too and I think he expects no less from me/us than to be the one who asks the questions everyone else has been asking. I know Nick would be on our side if our govt ever gets that far out of hand.

It would be a sad day for all if it ever came down to us fighting our govt. We've had one civil war that brought brother against brother, surely we aren't stupid enough to do it again.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 02, 2014, 08:54 PM:
 
Thank God we don't have to free the slaves again!

But, it seems like a lot of them never got the memo?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by booger (Member # 3602) on March 03, 2014, 10:16 AM:
 
I sure can see what Lance is saying...heck, I believe my hometown Sheriff's Dept. in Russell, County, KS got a surplus APC...that is just scary!

I have done a neighbor 'assessment' in case the you know what hits the fan...there is only one guy I know of that I could count on when the chips would be down--the rest I am sure would just give up.

I just keep in mind that LEO's carry guns to protect themselves, not me.
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 03, 2014, 12:04 PM:
 
The local super cop that lives nearby has alienated himself from his nearest neighbors. We know for a fact that no one around here can count on him for anything but.... protecting his family. Im glad he feels that way because the winter storm that hit us over the weekend caused me to use up all my xtra cell mins, checking on my friends, young & old.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 03, 2014, 12:31 PM:
 
First of all, let me offer my apologies to Lance for bringing his brother into the discussion. Lance, I had forgotten about your rift with your brother, and I truly didn't intend to bring up a sensitive issue.

Mea culpa.

Okay...apology having been given. Guys, did you forget I am a State Trooper for Chrisakes? How do you expect me to post on a forum where comments are being made about going to war with law enforcement? Law enforcement is ME, and my friends.

Do what you have to do, guys. This is a free country with free speech and I respect that. But I also respect my brothers and sisters in blue, and I can't listen to talk about shooting cops and such. I don't think you guys would respect me if I did. Nobody likes a traitor, after all.

And don't worry Tom, I am not coming for your guns. As I mentioned earlier, 90% of law enforcement will want nothing to do with a confiscation. As I also stated earlier, cops are human too.

That's all I got.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 03, 2014, 02:08 PM:
 
That's a good one, 49.

It's hard for me to believe that all cops march in lockstep. Do they flock together? As we used to say in the military: "FUCKIN' A.

Public Forum and all, what else could he say?

I cannot discount "group think" and mention Germans and Russians shooting the other side and pushing them into trenches.

I guess Americans are a bit more civil but there is a strong ingrained sense of duty and obeying orders.

Do I think they would actually kick down doors for the sole purpose of seizing a AR deemed illegal? Yup.

Not identical but look at Ruby Ridge.

Look at the Waco deal, middle of the night, ninja's on the roof. Look at Reno: we have to save the children by burning down the whole compound with CS and tanks.

Look at ...well you get the idea. Yeah, these guys live for the action and they are not encouraged to debate the issues.

Geeze, if I'm wrong and it ever comes down to it, I will apologize profusely. Meaning, if rank and file says: "Hey, wait a minute".

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on March 03, 2014, 03:00 PM:
 
Isnt this the kind of stuff Obama wanted his own private militia for? Will our own military and cops fire on its own citizens if it comes down to large scale civil disobedience?

Lots of out of work ex-military out there soon...mercs..Hessians whatever.

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on March 03, 2014, 05:41 PM:
 
This is almost a year old, but I hadn't seen it before. This guy didn't sugar coat anything, and it appears that CT may have the most outstanding felons in history.

Navy vet and Firefighter tells it like i ist
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on March 03, 2014, 06:02 PM:
 
I wonder who put the Connecticut State Police in charge of the registration and reregistration of firearms? Does it have anything to do with drivers licenses, fingerprints and all, or am I just paranoid? Huuuummmmmm
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 03, 2014, 07:25 PM:
 
49,

For the record, I did not, nor do I condone the armed assault of law enforcement officers. Don't put words in my mouse. What I will say is that once someone - LEO, soldier, whomever - takes up arms against American citizens who are abiding by the laws as set forth in our Constitution and the Second Amendment, they need to understand that by doing so, they have created a situation in which We, the People feel morally and legally compelled and obligated to defend ourselves by whatever means necessary and possible. LEO's on my front steps threatening to kick in my front door and take my guns is about as clear an example of tyranny run amuck as I can imagine. Why don't they just round up everyone who was ever in the NRA and summarily execute us as subversives for not thinking the Party line? At the very least, force us into re-education camps so we can get our thinking right. I have spent my lifetime abiding by the law and, as long as those laws reflect the will of the People and not the agenda of a tyrannical minority, I will be a good little citizen. Tread on me and it's no holds barred. As an LEO, and this is the point I made earlier, if and when that order ever comes down, you have a decision to make - be the solution, or be the problem.

Just my opinion. I may be wrong.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 04, 2014, 01:29 PM:
 
I didn't put words in your mouth. You made some pretty strong insinuations in your post.

Be the solution or be the problem? You can apply that to yourself as well.

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 04, 2014, 06:03 PM:
 
It appears to all be relative.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on March 05, 2014, 11:42 AM:
 
Play stupid games and win stupid prizes...

Goes both ways too.
Or maybe I should say break the law and you'll deal with the consequences. The Constitution is the law of the land isn't it?
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 05, 2014, 12:19 PM:
 
Et tu, Brute?
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 05, 2014, 01:14 PM:
 
,and Caesar fell.

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on March 05, 2014, 01:51 PM:
 
I may fall Dan. But you can bet your ass I will be fighting when I do.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2014, 04:15 PM:
 
Just statistically, we are bound to have a few L.E. types on "our" side when they come for our guns.

I can't get over New Orleans, cops in boats, door to door confiscating the means of self defense from people that were peaceably in their homes, not running around terrorizing the community. Something is very wrong with that image.

And then, to top it all off, not only (no receipt) but disrespecting personal property by tossing seized "weapons" in a pile. Later, they had the nerve to require proof of ownership. At least, that has been reported?

This tells me several things.

First, police are eager to seize weapons on the flimsiest of excuses.

Second, if you give them a hard time about it, expect violence heaped upon yourself.

Third, even if they have shaky legal justification, they will lie. And, the Supreme's have said a number of times that police have to right to lie to a citizen.

Fourth, we is Fucked.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on March 05, 2014, 05:02 PM:
 
LB, Don't lose sight of the positive outcomes to those seizures. Many states, including my own, have passed a litany of pro-gun laws since those events happened. When Greensburg, KS, was wiped out by a tornado, there were some issues concerning isolated gun grabs under the pretense of public safety. It was immediately handled by the law and the guns were returned. When Chapman, KS was hit and 1500+ volunteers arrived the following Saturday to help with clean up, what to do if we came across a firearm was specifically addressed as far as rules of operation. No seizures. No issues. I saw locals who had lost their homes open carrying as they worked and no one thought twice about it. Kansas now has laws that state that it is illegal for anyone - state, federal, local, anyone - to disarm any civilian in the event of a disaster or civil uprising. That law, and many others, may never have happened had it not been for those thugs in NO.

Along the same line, when KS first passed CCW, my brother made a valid point about unintended consequences when all the red circle with the slash no guns signs went up. Before CCW, you could carry open most anywhere. With CCW, all these signs went up and you couldn't carry open or concealed hardly anywhere. In response to these shortsighted restrictions, the pro-gun lobby went to work and got new laws in place that stated that if a business does not provide metal detectors or armed guards, people have the right to carry a gun for their personal defense, either open or CCW. All those signs came down.

My point? Don't roll over because something happens that you think is unfair. Turn it around and make it to your own advantage.

I want to also point out that in my initial rant, I stated that preparations for plans to deal with confrontations with the law be made and be public. No hiding in the woods playing Johnny Rambo. No secrets. Promote, recruit and be prepared. If someone wants to get into a dust up with you knowing that you've organized and prepared, he/ she does so fully aware of the consequences and cannot claim to have been blindsided by radicals. Is that kind of thinking illegal? Nope. It's actually the story line of a LOT of very popular books right now.
 

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I just hope, if you fall, you are on the side of good and righteousness, defending our country from all enemies foreign and domestic. Even if our enemies happen to be the likes of Holder or our other traitors in powerful positions, IMO.

You know, I hear all this talk about revolution and such, I wonder how many have actually given it any deep thought?

I can only imagine the gorilla warfare, and the assassinations that would take place. Kids going to school and everyone knowing whose dad is the gestapo. IED's and such right here. Just look at the trouble the Irish had, not to mention the difficulty we have fighting a backwards ass county like Afghanistan.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 05, 2014, 05:40 PM:
 
Dan, the problem is "limited engagement". Total war, Afghanistan would not have lasted a month. So, what's the problem? Politics.

We are not far from surrender, Amigo.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Well thanks for the revelation, Dan. I must have been doing it wrong all these years.

Excuse me for now, I have to go clean my 4 AR 15's.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on March 05, 2014, 08:48 PM:
 
Nick. I think what Dan is saying is we need more guys like you.

I said on one of these threads recently. God Bless those who really do "protect and serve"

We love ya man. Peace out..

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on March 06, 2014, 05:38 AM:
 
What he said.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on March 06, 2014, 09:40 AM:
 
Nick, I think I must be lacking in conveying what I want to get across sometimes. Every post I make is not meant as an attack on your integrity or patriotism.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on March 06, 2014, 09:41 AM:
 
what he said^

49 tends to take things personal when we say something negative about cops.
 

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