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jimanaz
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posted February 28, 2014 05:45 PM
Interesting conversation between a CT citizen and a CT LEO. The comments are worth reading.
This is Lt. Vance....
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Paul Melching
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posted March 01, 2014 04:51 AM
Creepy , I sure don't like what I heard.
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4949shooter
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posted March 01, 2014 05:16 AM
I don't like it either.
She called there looking for a confrontation and he gave it to her.
Two jackazzes..
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TRnCO
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posted March 01, 2014 06:09 AM
this conversation doesn't bother me that much for some reason, BUT the fact that confiscation is nearing those in that state DOES bother me. And to think it wasn't too long ago that there were many people that said it "would never happen" in the 50 states.
SO, scenario, first door the popo goes to too carry out a confiscation, shots are fired and the citizen is killed for resisting, then a brick of 22lr is found in his house, along with two AR's, then the media paints the poor guy as a crazy person with an arsenal, then off down the slippery slope we all go.
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Paul Melching
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posted March 01, 2014 07:00 AM
You're right TR that's what's so creepy.
The conversation could have gone very differently had the LEO been a proponent of the constitution. cant believe he called her un- American. She was looking for some kind of reaction I.m just disappointed in the reaction she got.
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4949shooter
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posted March 01, 2014 07:54 AM
Vance should have kept his cool. At his age, I am a little surprised she was able to get under his skin like that.
Will it come down to confiscation? I doubt it, at least not in the present climate. Americans are too 2nd Amendment conscious and the politicians know this. Confiscation would be political suicide.
Funny thing, the Connecticut government already knew about the caller's (husband's) rifle since they had sent him a letter directly. So what need would there be for registration of a gun they already knew of? The whole thing is stupid.
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Aznative
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posted March 01, 2014 08:32 AM
It proves to me the mentality of almost every LEO in the world, when push comes to shove they will enforce the law weather it is gun laws or throwing Jews into concentration camps. If obama had his way all of us on this board should be sent to re-education centers because of our conservative beliefs.
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4949shooter
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posted March 01, 2014 09:56 AM
The attitude of ONE police spokesperson does not convey the feelings or attitudes of all the other LEO's in the world, kind sir.
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Leonard
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posted March 01, 2014 10:19 AM
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The attitude of ONE police spokesperson does not convey the feelings or attitudes of all the other LEO's in the world, kind sir. (49)
Yes, true enough Nick. But when push comes to shove, don't bet a large percentage of those boys in blue would be most eager to effectively deal with "lawbreakers".
I'm sorry, but what AZ said is damned believable for a lot of us with a conservative attitude, sort of suspicions confirmed. Scary as it may be.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: look at Ukraine, snipers reportedly killed 60 demonstrators?
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DanS
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posted March 01, 2014 10:25 AM
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The attitude of ONE police spokesperson does not convey the feelings or attitudes of all the other LEO's in the world, kind sir.
Very true, Though I often wonder about LEO's attitudes as they progress higher in rank. Say Chiefs for example, I believe they are more politician than cop. Being further removed from the common person on the street like say a beat cop would be exposed.
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4949shooter
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posted March 01, 2014 10:50 AM
Leonard and Dan, I hear what you are saying.
And there are no doubt some douche police administrators out there who wouldn't drop a dime at the thought of seizing weapons on a grand scale. But I am of the opinion that the second amendment is two much ingrained in the minds of American people, including police officers, for full scale confiscation to work. There would be some blood shed on both side if it ever happened, and it would stop. Perhaps I am being too positive, but the vast majority of guys I work with wouldn't want any part of a large scale disarming of the American public. That's just the way I feel, so you will just have to trust my judgment on it, or not.
As far as the Ukraine goes....well that is the Ukraine, and not the good 'ole US of A. Now I did watch some video where protestors were throwing Molotov cocktails at the riot police. A molotov cocktail is a deadly weapon, so if this was the reason the snipers were firing it could be justified. That is my professional assessment from the information I have on it.
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Leonard
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posted March 01, 2014 11:47 AM
Yeah, works well as an excuse.......
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DiYi
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posted March 01, 2014 11:49 AM
Ukraine,now that's a shit storm brewing.
And,that beady eyed Putin will shoot,confiscate and do whatever he feels like considering the 'Administrator' we have on our side.Our guy is counting on Europe and the 'International community'.Great.Most of them depend on Russia for natural gas and other resources and will blink when it's push time.Where's Ronnie when we need him?He'd be urging Israel to get Iran and Syria and guess what,the Crimea would be fine in a week.Now we'll more likely loose our retirement plans in a tanked economy and eat cold turkey(crow)in the worlds eyes.
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jimanaz
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posted March 01, 2014 01:37 PM
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Funny thing, the Connecticut government already knew about the caller's (husband's) rifle since they had sent him a letter directly. So what need would there be for registration of a gun they already knew of? The whole thing is stupid.
I read somewhere that letters were sent to those who tried to register their weapons after the deadline had passed.
From my perspective, the first shot fired during a confiscation will be the new "shot heard around the world".
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TOM64
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posted March 02, 2014 06:05 AM
Large scale confiscation will never work easily but small scale, most will stand by "at the ready" until they come for theirs. Unfortunately, they will be alone, same as their neighbor was while they were at ready.
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Leonard
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posted March 02, 2014 07:08 AM
Like they say; everybody is afraid to die.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Cdog911
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posted March 02, 2014 09:22 AM
The key here, IMO, is for communities to be proactive. Don't wait for the "law" to show up at your door step to put up what will amount to a very short-lived you versus ten of them defense resulting in death, likely yours. Instead, plan ahead. Organize gun owners and be prepared to strike where and when needed at a moment's notice. Quick Reaction Force (QRF) type stuff. Ensure that you are able to take the fight to them, with overwhelming force. And make sure your intentions to act defensively are well know. LEOs overreaching might be willing to attempt confiscation on a people who appear complacent and vulnerable. Only a total idiot would be willing to launch what would amount to a suicide mission against a well organized and well-armed mob.
Same thing with all these armored military vehicles municipalities are acquiring for crowd suppression, aka, civil process service. Already, the media and a lot of people are quaking in their shoes over just seeing them. Those vehicles are intimidating, but not completely invulnerable. Identify weaknesses and develop contingencies ahead of time to deal with their use. If I was an LEO, facing a complacent and vulnerable minority of, say, gun owners, I would probably feel pretty bold and confident about how effective I will be in an APC. The attitude would be different if I knew there was a good chance that same mob had done its homework and was prepared to disable my armor box and leave me in it to die a slow, torturous and lingering death.
The fight between us and the government, should it ever happen, will not be a flash in the pan. They hope it will, but when going against superior firepower such as military weaponry, civilians will be best served to be very selective in picking the time and place to stand their ground. The American Revolution was simply a well-organized insurgency against the crown. We need to learn the lessons offered and benefit from those sacrifices made.
Not that I haven't been thinking this through. I just have a lot of active-duty warriors and heroes no longer in uniform with whom I share common thinking and the subject occasionally comes up. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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4949shooter
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posted March 02, 2014 10:13 AM
That is a borderline post, Lance.
I might have to re-evaluate my membership here.
You, my friend, have forgotten that police officers are American human beings just like yourself, and your family member who is in law enforcement.
4949 out.
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Leonard
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posted March 02, 2014 10:24 AM
Come on, 49. Don't get excited over one single post on a site that does not edit or delete what members say.
This isn't a organization with a covenant. Lance is free to post his ideas, no matter how ill-conceived. That certainly does not mean to include you as a buddy to his rant by virtue of your registration on HM.
If you ask me, your comments are just about as indefensible as are his, albeit for different reasons.
This country used to be great because we had the right to say something stupid or outrageous, without the stormtroopers kicking in the door.
But, do what you have to do, Amigo.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: see here http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304026804579411110505865626?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLETopOpinion&mg=reno64-wsj
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posted March 02, 2014 11:15 AM
If the govt wants to start confiscation let em start in the barrios in LA, El Paso, Tucson, Sam Diego etc. Then move the strike forces into Trenton, Detroit, Houston, Cleveland, Watts, Harlem, Oakland etc. Disarm the slums where over 85%+ of ALL SHOOTINGS OCCOUR! Then if they still lookin to disarm the public, EVERYONE will know what the intentions are. I support the police disarming all of THE KNOWN CRIMINALS, you know, the ones who have on record, a history of committing violent crimes but are seemingly overlooked when counterfit polytitions (miss spelled on purpose) rant about banning guns. Lets encourage the phony sonsabitches to get up off their asses and earn their salary.
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Cdog911
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posted March 02, 2014 11:57 AM
C'mon, Nick. You honestly don't think this mindset prevails in at least certain parts of the country today? There aren't folks in NJ who are prepared for this. That's a sad thing to think. Maybe the reason we are where we presently are is that people have been taught to sit around and grown accustomed to acting reactively rather than looking forward. Hell, I was taught this most basic principal as a Boy Scout - Be Prepared. And don't even invoke my relative who was an LEO. He chose to stake his flag with a corrupt police department and county attorney in the proceedings with my wife and I haven't spoke word to him since and have no plans to do so as long as I draw breath. Not a good position from which to try and find leverage with me. I was born, and still maintain, an abiding sense of right and wrong. I am a STAUNCH Libertarian and by God, the Constitution offers no leeway in its interpretation. If and when LEO's are given the order to trample my Constitutional rights, each of them - each of YOU - will be faced with the need to make a decision. You may only get that one chance and it may only be available for a very small window. Do NOT assume there won't be resistance.
You can read my "rant" however you see fit, but my training, whether in EMS or the fire service, was always to act proactively. Always assess what you have, evaluate what's been done and determine, based upon the information you have, what needs to be done to get ahead of the situation as it evolves. The last place I ever want to be is to be standing there saying, "Wow, Didn't see that coming."
Fact is, I'm surprised at your reply. You strike me as being the same sort as me. You have guns in your home and you are prepared to defend your castle from invasion if necessary. I presume you support CCW and see it as a reasonable means by which a person can defend his- or herself from wrongdoers. You likely own a fire extinguisher and are prepared to use it in the event of a fire. I hope you follow the news and are concerned about the intrusions on our civil liberties by the government. All these are indicative of being proactive.
It's nearly Spring time here in Kansas and we are reviewing and going over our emergency response plans, in our homes, in our local communities, in our counties and states just in case a tornado hits us. Those plans involve what we need to do both before, and after the incident occurs. We don't just sit on our collective asses and wait for bad stuff to happen. Plan for the worst, hope for the best. Instead of "didn't see that coming," I prefer "I got this."
Apparently, you and I have a disagreement as to how far those plans should extend. To me, that means as far as the law allows, and by law, I mean our God-given rights as outlined in the Constitution. Including the Second Amendment. Especially the Second Amendment, the Amendment with which we will be able to defend and protect all other Amendments.
Do I expect this to happen? Not here. Maybe in CT, but very unlikely in KS. Hell the first Civil War started because Kansas stood its ground and we will stand our ground again if necessary. I've already posed the question to the LEO's in this area and have been told - without exception - that the feds can go straight to hell. Not a single LEO I know is stupid enough to tackle the bear on this one, even if they are anti-gun.
As far as CT, if an when they do resort to confiscation, I personally think neighboring states need to be prepared to step in and assist in defending the rights of pro-2A groups, and yes, by whatever means necessary. After all, we are the "UNITED" States, you know. We run the nut farm, not the government and not law enforcement. Community standards determine what is and what isn't acceptable, and if the state starts confiscating guns and jailing gun owners, they have stepped too far. I hope you don't think I am alone in this opinion. If so, you simply are not prepared.
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Leonard
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posted March 02, 2014 12:12 PM
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We don't just sit on our collective asses and wait for bad stuff to happen. (Lance)
You mean like down in New Orleans? "Somebody, hep me," Bush don't care about black people"
Then, the cops waste their time beating up an old lady and confiscating her gun. Which she desperately needed to defend herself from roving gangs of blacks.
I think we can find a number if instances where law enforcement seems to be making plans to deal with law abiding conservative crackers that Homeland Security has identified as a threat.
Maybe they are perceived as a threat because they might object to being disarmed?
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted March 02, 2014 07:26 PM
So 49, let's say you are given the order to confiscate weapons like the red coats did.
Which side are you on?
Will you ignore the Constitution?
Will you say you are only following orders?
Why does anyone who stands for the Constitution become the enemy?
Civilians have families too, as well as rights, rights our founding fathers thought worth defending.
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Cdog911
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posted March 02, 2014 07:32 PM
I think he's upset that I would even say the things I did. I guess if you're going to start taking away our rights, you may as well start with the 1st Amendment.
Just joking. I like and respect Nick. I suspect that our differences are more the culture of being an LEO in NJ and being a patriot in KS, and nothing I said there can't be found written ten ways to Sunday either in books or online by people like me who are sincere and serious in our concerns. We see the growing panic about people like us who the fear mongers claim to be subversives as a symptom of a problem best prepared for rather than dismissed as being way out there on the coasts where it won't affect us. personally, I like the elitists' predominance of aversion to all things fly-over country. The less you like us, the greater chance that you'll never actually show up here to tell me how I can live my life better. Dirt and cow shit are perfectly fine with me, thank you very much.
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posted March 02, 2014 08:11 PM
You know, guys like George Washington and the rest of our founding fathers would have been hung for treason had the British won the war. I'm sure the minute men were law breakers too.
I hope to God our gov't doesn't ever get that far out of hand and force another revolution.
Luckily for us, most of the best and brightest work for the private sector and not the gov't.
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