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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2014, 05:57 PM:
 
Coyotes nose, cold or hot?

Here is some food for thought.

They say a coyote can smell 200 parts per million or something like that. Just for argument sake I'll agree on that..
How far can a coyote smell? Some say a long ways off, I say not much or any farther than a dog with everything depending on wind direction and ground temp.s..
I believe if you took a bottle of ALL-season and poured on the ground a coyote could perhaps smell each speck of spice and separate vrs. a dog could not or at least not all breeds.

Lets move onto hound dogs for a spell...(coyote hounds)
Most of the hounds men I know at the moment use varis breeds that are known to have certain skills, hot nose, cold nose, gritty for killing a coyote, speed and being able to track with there nose and use there eyes as well to name just a few.
Hounds men also hunt differently with there dogs. One group will free cast there dogs and let them search for a hot track or jump a bedded coyote, very time consuming but for this group its more about watching and hearing there dogs work and not how many they kill in a day.

Next group looks for tracks crossing a road and hopes that there cold nosed dog can pick up enough scent , some hunters use a Beagle for this as they are short legged and have there nose closer to the ground vrs. other breeds. There are some hound breeds that are good at this as well. This type of hunting is also time consuming due to the fact that a dog has a one track mind and if dumped on a coyote hunting track it may take all day to get the coyote up depending on how much ground it hunted that night or if it was out searching for a mate. A coyote may cover 2-3 miles or more in a one mile section when hunting..

Next group goes in on a track or into a section that they believes holds a coyote or two, one handler and anywhere from 1-4 dogs ( this is how I hunt), the handler may stay with the track till it gets hotter for the dogs to pick up or the handler may just jump off the track if it appears that the coyote tracks are zig-zagging (coyote hunting) and move the dogs closer to cover that a coyote may be bedded up in for the day or even have the dogs free cast up in front with some directional help from the handler. What the handler is trying to do is get the dogs on the freshest track or down wind of a bedded as quickly as possible.. And if multiple coyotes are involved the handler will help the dogs get on the next freshest coyote track after the first coyote has been killed.. Watched a handler and his dogs take 5 coyotes out of a two mile section, going after one at a time.. This is the most productive way to hunt if you want to take good numbers in a day.

Dogs working a track:
Depending on wind conditions, ground conditions, (snow or bare) and temps a dog will follow a track one of two ways. With its nose down in each track (slow going) or will move with its nose up and on top of the track or will be shadowing the track if there is a cross wind. Temp.s play an important part of how a dog smells. For example I was told by a hand full of hounds men a dog can't smell its own ass if the temp.s are below +14 and found this to be true..

" I believe the temp.s also affect a coyotes nose the same as dogs." and a coyote hunts the same way working down wind of cover or just free casting hoping to bump into a prey animal or pick up its scent if its close enough.
Most vid.s of a fox or coyote out hunting shows the animal just walking along till it hears or smells something under the snow that's very close, have never seen a coyote or fox run 50 yds. and all of a sudden stop and then go on to grab a mouse..

Tracked a pair of coyotes one time that where working a drainage ditch, one coyote walked on the top edge of ditch and the other at the bottom on the ice. They came apon a hen pheasant which was spooked by the coyote on top. The pheasant runs to the bottom and is caught by this coyote. It didn't appear that the bottom coyote was sharing any of its catch and after consuming the bird the roles were switched and the coyotes just moved along till another bird tried to escape and was also caught by the coyote on the bottom...

A dog taking a track: If the scent is strong enough the dog will open up on the track or may just give out a few barks and then run silent till the scent gets stronger and in most cases will open up and go non-stop, a lot depends on the dog or breed as far as barking goes.
If a dog opens up and a coyote is close by it may jump out of its bed and take off before the dog gets to it or even see's it so the dog will be running a track mainly. A dog that goes in silent on a track will be able to keep down wind of it and the coyote and as its about to jump the coyote it will then open up full cry and the chase is on with dog much closer behind the coyote. Hopefully one of the dogs in the pack hunts with its eyes as well as its nose...

Tracks tell a story in the snow:

I've tracked coyotes and fox for many years and a set of tracks will tell you where the coyote is going and where its been and what it has done on its journey and will also show you how a coyote likes to travel through a area on calm nights and windy nights. Tracks can show you its terr. lines from front to back and also where its core area is and core area of other coyotes that may have belonged to the same family group...

Back to a coyotes nose:
Some say a coyote can smell a dead deer or cow from miles away, I say nope! they can't smell that far in the dead of winter. You may wonder why I say that. First off in most cases birds usually find the dead animal first like crows, magpies and so on. Most of these birds give out some sort of feeding call that gives the dead animals location away to other critters like the coyote. Coyotes also give out some sort of feeding howl.

This year we have been placing road killed deer out in certain areas to draw the coyotes in so we can pick up the tracks in the mourning with the dogs. For this to work the carcass has to be placed on or very close to the coyotes travel route and a little up wind of it so the coyote can smell it when it moves through the area. If the coyote moves through a section working it north to south or vise versa it will pick up the scent with a N-W wind, we also get a S-E wind here from time to time, when this happens the coyote misses the carcass if its more than 100 ft. from its travel route. Been using a call lure (skunk musk) if we can't get the carcass close enough to there travel route..

Have a few areas where we have jackrabbits, they spend most of there time around road ditches digging up the grass to feed on at night. Also have coyotes that hunt along these same ditches at night as they move through there area. First thing I notice is the ditch is all tracked up by a rabbit or two and then I see a coyote track come from an open field and comes to the rabbit tracks in the ditch. The coyote moves around through the tracks for a short period and then moves on. If a coyote has such a good nose it should of been able to track the rabbit down in the snow. Right! This tells me a coyote has a hot nose and the tracks made by the rabbit was to old for it to follow. Usually when a coyote or fox makes a rabbit kill there will be fur scattered about and frozen down some in the snow where the coyote fed. Also a coyote and fox gut there prey and don't consume the intestines so you will see a small gray colored ball frozen on the ground, stomach..

So any way HOT nose/ COLD nose. You decide...... People are giving a coyotes nose way to much credit.....

Hope you enjoyed my babbling...LOL
UNKNOWN BLOGGER

edit: How to get into a coyotes head when calling????
Good subject and something the professionals "can't figure out" or willing to tell...

I'm keeping it to myself as well... Later UB

[ January 08, 2014, 05:59 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2014, 06:01 PM:
 
Unmask the Unknown Blogger

Be the first on your block
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 08, 2014, 06:32 PM:
 
sounds like trick Question.
thats got a southern Minnesotans name all over it!
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on January 08, 2014, 06:44 PM:
 
Whomever he is he's not from Okla. I have never seen a jack rabbit hanging around a bar ditch, cottontails yes but not a jack. As for a coyotes nose, I've watched a bunch of them thru binos, spotting scopes & rifle scopes with their noses up sniffing into the wind but I never got a chance to ask them what they were sniffing. Bearhunter probably nailed it. Is it the feller from southern Minneesotie eh?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 08, 2014, 06:54 PM:
 
My lips are sealed, for the time being. ha

edit: I don't know what a "bar ditch" is?

[ January 08, 2014, 06:54 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on January 08, 2014, 08:28 PM:
 
Not enough mis-spelled words to be from Mini-Soda.
I'm gonna take a wild assed guess and say Criner.
What do I win ???
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on January 09, 2014, 03:10 AM:
 
It's the minnesodan. I have ' varis ' reasons to think so.

[ January 09, 2014, 03:13 AM: Message edited by: Paul Melching ]
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 09, 2014, 04:23 AM:
 
As Scott would say, no such thing as always or never.

But that part about coyotes gutting a rabbit made me laugh.

For one, I've witnessed coyotes eat jackrabbits a couple of times and they were consumed completely on those occasions.

And for another, I've seen where a pair of coyotes followed along behind me and Tim shooting jacks and ALL they ate was the guts out of those jacks. Seemed like when they had way more than they could eat, that's all they were taking out of each one. Just eating the guts and moving on to the next.

I guess the coyotes and jacks in MN have a different arrangement on how they get eaten or something.

- DAA
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 09, 2014, 04:35 AM:
 
i have NEVER seen a gut-pile from a jack....EVER
and we have lots of jacks here.
 

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on January 09, 2014, 06:50 AM:
 
Hmmm.When the blizzard killed all those cattle earlier this year in SoDak,wonder how far the coyotes migrated to that smell?Ah,maybe they couldn't smell it.They stuck with 50 yard mice I suppose.Or maybe a hen pheasant.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 09, 2014, 07:02 AM:
 
Read it, twice.
The lack of syntax and grammar began to make my head hurt the second time through.

Someone flunked grade school English class...
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on January 09, 2014, 07:07 AM:
 
Got sucked into this, but read not one word past this....

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varis

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...because I don't need to get any dumber.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 09, 2014, 07:49 AM:
 
suggest stifling the urge to blog about hounds men and there hounds and read these...





In the meantime, I'm gonna measure the distance between my dog's nose, and the ground
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on January 09, 2014, 08:32 AM:
 
no mention of humidity? Worked with bird dogs for several years and I always thought humidity was at least, if not, more important to scenting ability, than temps.
I've watched coyotes eat rabbits twice. One ate a cottontail the other a jack rabbit. Both rabbits were completely eatin', from head to tail. The coyote that ate the cottontail was alone, but the coyote that ate the jackrabbit had 3 other coyotes with it, but yet the one coyote ate the whole rabbit.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 09:25 AM:
 
I watched a coyote, while stopped at a signal, not two miles from home, eat a jackrabbit. He pulled it apart in chunks and ate the whole damned thing except for past the hocks of the back legs.
(edit: this was behind a chain link fence next to the hi way in an orange grove.)

Thinking about Dave's story. I wonder if those coyotes were "preserving" the rabbits for future use by eating the guts? Too far out?

I have been known to throw a red herring now and then just by deliberately misspelling a word.

Three more submissions in my inbox this morning. With links!

Good hunting. El Bee

[ January 09, 2014, 09:27 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on January 09, 2014, 09:45 AM:
 

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A coyote may hunt 2-3 miles in a one mile section

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They don't get points for direct routes.

Using there, instead of their, gives it away as Tom Thumb Anderson.
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 09, 2014, 10:56 AM:
 
Wasn't me.. I don't drag dead carcasses around.
 

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Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on January 09, 2014, 11:07 AM:
 
I thought for sure if I just typed, "hot / cold nose" on predatormaster's search I would find the answer!
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 09, 2014, 11:08 AM:
 
this coyote must've field dressed his dinner elsewhere?

 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 02:03 PM:
 
You folks ready for more wisdum? from The Unknown Blogger?

I just reread ^ that!

Hilarity ensued.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 02:31 PM:
 
First, Jimanez gets excoriated.

Quote: I shot a 17Rem several years ago for a while and just never developed the love for 17s that some folks have. Yep, it's fast. Yep, recoil is non-existent. I just never could understand what separates 17s from 223s in the cultists. Pretty much same effective range, regardless of what follows 17, add Ackley, 204, 223 etc. Pretty much the same in fur friendliness with the right combination. Is it just the idea of killing something with a BB sized projectile. Seriously, what's the overwhelming attraction? : Un Quote

If he really truly spent some time behind a 17 cal. killing critters he would know the answer of what separates the 17 cal. from cartridges smaller than a 22-250. No the 17 cal. isn't the same as a 223, a 223 doesn't even come close. From what I have seen a 223 isn't a reliable killer at ranges past 150 yds. and I don't care what weight bullet you use in one its not the same. The 204 does come close if you can find the right bullet, perhaps the 45 gr. hornady.
I would put the bigger 17 cal.s in the same class as a 22-250 but with out the fur damage. ( 1 hole going in and nothing out)

The way things are at the moment with bullets shortages the guy looking to build should look closely at a 20-250 or 20x47 Lapua, either one is as good as a 243 win. Best regards secrete Blogger.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 02:59 PM:
 
UNKNOWN BLOGGER SAYS:

Quote: no mention of humidity? Worked with bird dogs for several years and I always thought humidity was at least, if not, more important to scenting ability, than temps.


Humidity and temp.s go hand in hand. Whats a coyote do when humidity is dry? Stay at home till its right.... Just means they won't pick up a scent as well same as with a dog... As far as following a track the ground or snow has to be able to hold the scent in for a time in order to follow it. Snow conditions the best time is 3-6" of powdered snow no wind.. The harder the snow crusts up the less of a chance of it holding a scent. Example: concrete will not hold a scent for very long vrs. soft dirt...

Oh a bird dog isn't much for trailing running birds as they leave very little scent when moving about unless you have damp ground other wise the dog is looking for the scent from a bird nested up for the day as that when it gives out the most scent.. unknown blogger..
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on January 09, 2014, 03:08 PM:
 
Is it dog boy TT? Just a wild assed guess
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on January 09, 2014, 03:22 PM:
 
Just when the water seemed safe....

Mr Anderson

I laughed out loud. Chances are you will too!

[ January 09, 2014, 03:23 PM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on January 09, 2014, 03:26 PM:
 
He must have gotten spell check or you edited part of it. Tiny tim.
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on January 09, 2014, 05:01 PM:
 
I got up to the part about hounds is all. I forget that sight hounds and running walkers are hounds. Hounds that strike a track and line the track out move it out quick have a good locating bark and tree and hold the tree (stay treed). I like a tree hound that can locate and tree a layed up coon. A good treeing hound needs to drift a track and have good speed. And getting that right tree accurately is a big plus. On a personal note I don't think it matters what a coyote can smell are not smell or how well that a coyote's nose is better than any all other K9's.
In short all K9's can smell, but what any of them can do with that ability is the question .

So is Tim in time out? will he ever be back.
I took a time out one time is that what Tim's on.
I hope this makes alittle sense.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 05:12 PM:
 
Tim has had his posting privileges suspended. The intent is permanent.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on January 09, 2014, 05:38 PM:
 
I have never been able to grasp the term gritty as in a hounds tuff ness. As far as big game hounds go I will never be any ones go to guy. But any dog I'm feeding better be in on any coon killing. And hounds don't fight coons they kill them. the idea of a hound needs to be gritty to kill a coyote well I'm not so sure about that one.
From what I do know about running coyotes is once the running walkers have flushed the coyote out the sight hounds are turned out to finish the job.
Like I say I'm not a big game hounds man so I'm talking out my ass a little bit. But any of my hounds that did tree bears had better be smart enough to not get there self's killed. Hounds are a dime a dozen a smart hound is worth money.
My reply is not to knock any ones dick in the dirt. Just a few of my thought's is all.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on January 09, 2014, 06:36 PM:
 
haven't read any of this thread but the first post. Will get to it later, but for now, I agree with Rich.
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on January 09, 2014, 07:41 PM:
 
Maybe that coyote was going by them Jack Rabbits to get to the carcass he smelled a mile from that grove of trees.

Made many a draw station, cleaned out the locals and kept bringing new ones in til I pulled the equipment.

A coyotes nose is a hot or cold as it need be to survive.

That's not a blog, more like a glob of something!
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on January 09, 2014, 08:29 PM:
 
LB, a bar ditch in Oklahoma is the drainage along side all the roadways and county roads.
While I have drove in them more than a few times driving home from the bars when I was a kid that's not how they got there names. At least I think that's why.
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on January 09, 2014, 08:42 PM:
 
And the part about beagles being able to track better because there closer to the ground having shorter likes and all.
who the hell needs must see TV when we have material like this to read.
And just think I was thinking about standing in front of a train.
But after reading tis post I now have the strength to go on.
Thanks to the unknown blogger.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 09, 2014, 10:12 PM:
 
This just in!

Quote:And the part about begles being able to track better because there closer to the ground having shorter likes and all.

That right there tells me they just don't know anything about hunting dogs, perhaps any dog and that why some can't even get them to work like they want.

Fred is a good example.. Not meaning to pick on Fred but he is a good example..

If you go and look at hound breeds, lets use a Red bone for example since you like that brede. You will find pampered Redbones that come in roughly to sizes, a short legged dog and a much longer legged dog. Short legged Red bones you will see used mainly for running coon and the longer legged are used for big game such as deer, cats and even coyotes. Why the difference? Coon hunters want a dog closer to the ground to pick up scent quicklier and stay with it. The long legged dogs a running game much bigger and they put out more cent so they don't need to have a dog with short legs, they want a dog with some speed to it...

As for Grey hounds I didn't mention them in first post do to the fact they don't hunt with there nose, (sight hound) Some how, ever have been crossed with other breeds that do use there nose so you end up with a fast coyote sniffing sight dog..LOL

You can also look at Blue tick hounds and you will also see two sizes, short and tall and on and on..


Another good one.

Quote; Maybe that coyote was going by them Jack Rabbits to get to the carcass he smelled a mile from that grove of trees.

Made many a draw station, cleaned out the locals and kept bringing new ones in till I pulled the equipment. ;un Quote

The coyotes didn't make it to the deer carcass, too far away and couldn't smell it..

He didn't clean out the locales, just brought in other that were there or just across terr. lines.. I know his area pretty good.
If he is trapping and baiting close to the river, most likely is he drawing the coyotes that live closer to the roads and then getting the smart ones that have moved back along the river to escape hunting or people pressure coyote feeding howls will bring others around if they close enough to hear it.
Sounds like he is slipping on his damage control as well, a good ADC man shouldn't be getting that many coyotes from a control or locked gate area. Hmmmm Oh! Just ask Cal. Unknown Bloger
 

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Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on January 10, 2014, 04:27 AM:
 
Face it,he should never have been 'breded' and should not be allowed to 'brede'.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on January 10, 2014, 04:50 AM:
 
at this mouement......... i think yore right
 

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Posted by Randy Roede (Member # 1273) on January 10, 2014, 05:08 AM:
 
And there it is!
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 05:12 AM:
 
Funny, I always figgered dem begles got more shorterer legs because der hounds men hunters didn't want the begles to catch da rabits?

So, der hounds men hunters bred begles wit more shorterer legs to SLOW THEM THE FUCK DOWN SO THEY WOULD ONLY PUSH THE RABBIT HARD ENOUGH TO KEEP IT UP AND RUNNING.

Den, de hounds men buny hunters coud choot de rabits out front of der priced begles without feer of chooting der slow and more shorter legs huntin' begle
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 05:22 AM:
 
and da least time i checked wit my redbone freinds, wuz they breded there redbones to hunt coon if there dog would hunt coon.
If there redbone didnt run coon, den the hounds men would not brede the red bone. They would choot the redbone or give it to a shelter or leaf the redbone on the side of the barditch road for blogers to pick up and trane to run coyotes wit der possee of hoodchooters
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 05:27 AM:
 
den when de possee of hoodchooters would choot a running coyote off der warm hood the hounds men could trane der redbone and let it run around in the brush for an hour until it tripped over the ded coyote on askident

Not wanting to pik on anyone but this is a good eggsample
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 05:32 AM:
 

 

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Posted by Eddie (Member # 4324) on January 10, 2014, 05:58 AM:
 
Tim can't even post and he's still got you guys pissed off. Leonard you might as well let him back, then him and Fred can get this dog thing straighten out. You get two dog men talking about there dogs, it always ends up a pissing contest every time. Ones thinks his breed is better than the other, never fails seen it time after time.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 06:16 AM:
 
Eddie im no hounds men but my buddys tolt me to mix Campbells chiken noodle into my dogs feed. Then it would be a souphound capible of traleing wit a nose to far of the ground. The warm soup adds humidy to the scent so makes the nose hot to sent the track better when the humid is not enough to make the nose work sense its to cold to scend the sent up that far when the nose is capeble of picking it up. Nose piking sent is needed for a souphound to trale up behind a track otherwise the dog us just trying to sent a beded animal and not folowing a track or tripping over it on askident

hope that makes scents
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on January 10, 2014, 06:19 AM:
 
So moving on... And speaking of jackrabbits not completely eaten.

Thought of this because I plan on calling this spot tomorrow.

Five or six years ago, about this time of year, lots of snow on the ground, me and my partner came on a giant old lone cottonwood growing at a flowing spring. As we drove near, a pair of golden eagles that were perched there flew away.

The sage brush around that cottonwood is some of the tallest and biggest I have ever seen. Lots of it is over 6' tall - well over my head. Proportionately just as big around.

Anyway, the jackrabbits were THICK in that big old sage. I mean, like biblical plaugue thick. Couldn't hardly get a shot at one, in that big sage like that, but the ground seemed to be seething with them. They were everywhere.

So, walking around in there, just checking things out. There were at least two dozen dead jackrabbits hanging from the tops of that giant sage brush with only their eyeballs eaten.

Looked like those golden eagles had just been taking jacks at will, picking out a couple of eyeball morsels, then hanging them up for display.

What was actually most interesting to me, is that there were so many of those jacks hung up like that which were still fully intact. Meaning, other birds had not got to them. Meaning, those golden's were NOT to be fucked with!

- DAA
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on January 10, 2014, 06:33 AM:
 
Damn! That's a good one! I have seen sage like you describe in Colorado, not jackrabbits, but totally full of mule deer bucks, three days into rifle season. This is up very close to the Dinosaur Monument on the Little Snake and is a trophy area now, as far as I know, but that sage is world class probably over six foot, in fact, I'm sure of it.

Good hunting. LB

I killed a real big female cat once. Walking out, I found she had been feeding on a fresh jack, but near as I could tell, she just chewed the ears off, for some unknown reason?

[ January 10, 2014, 06:36 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on January 10, 2014, 06:49 AM:
 
That's a crazy scene to comtemplate!
Must be hard to short circuit an apex predator's drive to hunt & kill.
I witnessed something really cool couple years ago. Happened upon a redtail in the woods on our evening run, it was perched up high and had obviously just caught its dinner. I sat there and watched this beautiful bird devour a squirrel at its leisure for almost 45 minutes. Was there so long, I noticed a photographer on the trail and waved him over, as we'd chatted in the past. He set up his equipment and started snapping shots...

Anyhoo, after finishing its meal, that redtail focused on something in the distance. Before we knew it, it slipped off its perch and almost nailed a second squirrel to a big beech tree about 100yds away!
Couldn't believe that the hawk was hunting out of hunger. Maybe it was, but the fact that it got right back after hunting prey was pretty interesting to see...
That dude was kind enough to email me some photos he took that afternoon, here's one:

 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on January 10, 2014, 06:57 AM:
 
The only coyote dogs I love are the ones who have been correctly trained to decoy and toll coyotes in to close range. I don't even like to think about those guys who run down coyotes with greyhounds, or those who use hounds to track down coyotes. Calling coyotes is much more sporting.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on January 10, 2014, 07:01 AM:
 
"That dude was kind enough to email me some photos he took that afternoon, here's on"
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Look at the "evil eye" that hawk is giving you. Sorta reminds me of Leonard.
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on January 10, 2014, 07:45 AM:
 
Great story DAA. Interesting as heck.

Cool pic Fred.

A few years back, when we ran hounds, we were cold trailing a bobcat hoping to warm things up a bit before turning the dogs loose. On a snow-covered north-east slope with lots of low brush, this bobcat caught 5 snowshoe hares over the length of about a quarter mile. Not a one was eaten, just dead and some partially buried the snow.

We later treed the bobcat and it was young, probably didn't weigh much over 10-12 pounds (we didn't kill it).

I always wondered if the 'cat was going to come back at a later time to eat the kills, but with the nature of bobcats I kind of doubt it would have.

If you handed a guy a .22 or shotgun, and told him to go kill even one snowshoe hare in the same area it would have been a huge challenge, but the bobcat (a young one at that) cleaned up on them.
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on January 10, 2014, 12:58 PM:
 

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The only coyote dogs I love are the ones who have been correctly trained to decoy and toll coyotes in to close range. I don't even like to think about those guys who run down coyotes with greyhounds, or those who use hounds to track down coyotes. Calling coyotes is much more sporting.

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