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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 23, 2013, 01:02 PM:
SANTA ROSA, CALIF. – Northern California sheriff's officials and family members say deputies shot and killed a 13-year-old boy who was carrying a replica assault weapon.
Two Sonoma County deputies saw the boy walking with the replica weapon around 3 p.m. Tuesday in Santa Rosa. Lt. Dennis O'Leary says they repeatedly ordered him to drop what appeared to be a rifle before firing several rounds.
The boy fell to the ground. Deputies handcuffed him and began administering first aid, but he was pronounced dead at the scene. O'Leary says deputies also found a plastic handgun in his waistband.
The boy's father, Rodrigo Lopez, told the Press Democrat of Santa Rosa the victim was his 13-year-old son, Andy.
The deputies have not been identified.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 23, 2013, 02:03 PM:
Sounds more like poor parenting to me.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on October 23, 2013, 04:24 PM:
It may have been poor parenting but they will be very rich very soon. I would bet Gloria Allred has even contacted the parents.
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on October 23, 2013, 04:35 PM:
It may have been poor parenting but they will be very rich very soon. I would bet Gloria Allred has even contacted the parents.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 23, 2013, 04:41 PM:
Oh oh, oh, koko. That sounds suspiciously like a progressive liberal type of comment? Or something?
Parents may give children Grand Theft Auto or plastic guns....or he may have stole it from some rich white kid, who knows.
BUT. The responsibility for his actions aside, we have two sworn law enforcement officers, with the authority to use deadly force. Is having in your possession a plastic rifle; JUSTIFICATION FOR SHOOTING THE DUMB FUCK?
Somewhere in policy guidelines does it say, "you shoot all children that appear to be holding a weapon" or maybe they should use some judgement, like: is the child more than four foot tall, or is he pointing his toy and saying things like; "Bang, bang, you're dead!"
My knee jerk reaction is we have another case of trigger happy cops. Serious case of lack of judgement. We cannot have two policemen blowing the shit out of children with toys/bearing in mind the rationale for condemning Zimmerman shooting Trayvon in self defense. Something does not square with those two examples.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on October 23, 2013, 08:52 PM:
Me a liberal????............Now THATS funny.
Responsibility lies with the kid who was too ignorant to put down a weapon (real or not) when ordered to do so by L.E.O. with drawn guns and parents who failed to teach the kid common sense.
But hey, maybe my retirement plan should have been to breed a bunch of stupid kids and hope that one of them does something that I can sue the cops for. Yeah, the parents will probably win some serious coin in court.
I may seem heartless but I believe that the cops were justified in taking this kid out of the gene pool.
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on October 29, 2013, 08:04 PM:
It's not your fault, Leonard.
You live in California.
That does things to people, and the way they think.
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on October 29, 2013, 08:08 PM:
No habla?
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on October 29, 2013, 08:17 PM:
I've got a friend that moved out there and it's jacked up the way she thinks, too. I dunno if it's in the water or air or what, but something out there just seems to leach out a person's common sense. I call it 'The Pelosi Effect' on even days and 'The Feinstein Effect' on odd days. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 30, 2013, 07:57 AM:
I'm not getting the message, Del?
You believe the police are justified in killing a 13 year old boy because he has a toy gun and does not comprehend the implied threat....
PUT IT DOWN, or we are going to blast you to smithereens?
Somewhere, somehow, I hope to hell that sworn police officers are able to exercise a little judgement, now and then. I know the dead ones are usually a bit slow recognizing a threat, but this is a fucking child. The Obama administration has defined "child" as up to age 26, for purposes such as a dependent on a health insurance policy. But, if two police officers are not able to tell a toy reproduction and can't determine they are dealing with a innocent boy of 13, then God help us!
Maybe you didn't mean my attitude is fucked up because of where I live?
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Fur_n_Dirt (Member # 4467) on October 31, 2013, 05:13 AM:
What type of neighborhood was this?
I think police would be more on "edge" if a bad ass motherfucker carrying a gun looking thingy in Compton, CA versus in Boise, ID
[ October 31, 2013, 05:14 AM: Message edited by: Fur_n_Dirt ]
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on October 31, 2013, 09:34 AM:
This is a shitty deal for sure. On one hand the officers claim that the boy turned and raised the gun at them, as a cop I suppose we would all be a little unnerved by that in that situation but on the other hand common sense tells us that children at play don't pay attention to anything until that interruption of their play time becomes overwhelmingly noticeable ie a cop shouting from behind you, then as you turn around to see what all the hoopla is about.... someone empties their Glock into your chest.
I know the cop could've probably done much better in this scenario no doubt but I don't think it was a "cowboy" attitude that caused this, just a lack of judgment in a split second situation. This is a terrible tradgedy that has ruined lives.... I don't wish ill on anyone involved, I don't know what the answer is LB, better training? I don't know..... it's sad all the way around. Hindsight is always 20/20
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 31, 2013, 11:14 AM:
Whatever it is, it is basically two cops overreacting to some kind of threat. I don't know, and can't imagine how two grown men could have got themselves into such a mess? I mean, they weren't beamed down from the Enterprise, they had to walk into the situation. At what point, while walking did a casual encounter escalate into a life and death panic, yank the trigger, kill or be killed?
Seems to me that every one of us, with lethal force in our hands has to see and evaluate a situation every day. You can't just PANIC and blow the shit out of someone without a damned good reason. This wasn't Midnight at the Oasis.
As usual, we won't be getting the whole story. Our news media is so pathetic.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on October 31, 2013, 09:28 PM:
"Maybe you didn't mean my attitude is fucked up because of where I live?"
Yeah, that was pretty much what I meant.
My friend was a hardcore, 2nd Amendment Ronald Reagan republican until she moved out there, and I have noted a subtle but distinct shift in some of her thought processes since she moved out there. The term that comes to mind is 'corrosive'.
And would somebody please go tell that dead former Marine math teacher that it was just a 'child' that shot him dead at the school where he was trying to teach kids math so they could make something of themselves?
What universe are you living in, Leonard? 'Children' are killing people left and right, making folks dead forever just like adults do. Or is California different? What, juveniles don't kill people in Compton and Oakland and South L.A.?
I saw a pic of that 'AK' that the kid had, and it looked one helluva lot like an AK to me.
So tell me something. If somebody comes into your house and has what looks like a gun, are you gonna wait for them to shoot at you with it to confirm it's a real gun before you shoot them?
Calling what happened a 'murder' is way off the mark, amigo. That's the kind of thing I'd expect to hear out of Pelosi or Feinstein, not you.
Other than that, how you been doing lately?
[ October 31, 2013, 09:32 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on November 01, 2013, 12:21 AM:
Watch the video, look at the replica compared to a real AK. If ANYBODY, man, woman, or child turned toward me and even remotely looked like they were bringing it to bear....1 Adam 12, shots fired. Pay special attention to the part where they talk about Andy's father and his response...refer to my "No habla?" comment.
Even here, in the cowboy capital, you'd be nuts to do what Andy did, 13 or not. +1 to Del's comment about kids being just as lethal as anyone else with a gun and the intent. Sad deal all around, but that's the world we're living in today. That kid didn't deserve to die, but those cops deserved to go home to their families too.
The "weapon"
Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on November 01, 2013, 05:10 AM:
I agree with JD, word for word.
Not possible to rest blame on squarely on anyone. Sadly, it was an "imperfect storm" of factors that had to come together at the same time to cause a tragedy. Remove any one factor, and a tragedy is relegated to a "close call".
Unfortunately, a young man is dead, a family lost a child, and a cop is mind-fucked for Life.
Sometimes this kinda shit just ISN'T preventable. Could shoulda woulda, doesn't always fit the scenario.
Accidents happen. Tough to accept when fatal, irreversible consequences result...
I feel badly for the kid's loved ones and the cop who killed him.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 01, 2013, 04:44 PM:
Same old story, Del. bunker mentality on the part of law enforcement. Only now, it's not just everybody that is gunning for those poor beleagured and overworked police officers, it's the children they are afraid of! Our kids are out to kill every cop they see, so they better shoot first. LB
Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on November 01, 2013, 07:34 PM:
My feel is the kid was turning
"to say, it's ok see? its just a toy"
naive on his part, he probaly liked cops, trusted them. I do think the cops were a bit to quick, but not so quick as to be criminal. I do not see a black or white answer here.
Carl
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 03, 2013, 07:18 AM:
Kid cuts off the bright orange muzzle device, looks old enough to be a gangbanger, doesn't comply with the neighbor driving by who tells him to get rid of it cause the cops are coming, nor the cops command to drop the weapon and instead he turns pointing the gun at the officer.
I'm pretty sure I'd have shot too.
But since he was a minority and used an assault rifle, they will use this to fully fund illegal aliens and ban all guns. Notice the second rally was for "racial profiling"?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on November 03, 2013, 08:54 AM:
quote:
it's the children they are afraid of! Our kids are out to kill every cop they see, so they better shoot first. LB
Dam right they are as those little bastards are doing most of the senseless killing in the bigger cities. No limit to just cops especially if they are just starting to join a gang, someone's mother, sister, brother will also be a target.
If I was in the cops shoes I may have done the same thing, as its better to be alive than dead.
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 05, 2013, 02:24 PM:
No, Leonard, it's not 'bunker mentality' on the part of law enforcement. The cops hear all day, every day, about all the shootings and near shootings in their towm. You only hear about the stuff that makes the papers.
You have the luxury to stop and consider and debate and Monday-morning quarterback the cops decisions at your leisure. For you, it's an abstract discussion. For us, it's very, very real. We have to face the guns, we have to make those split-second decisions over whether to shoot or not shoot, and the consequences are very real and very lethal, either for us or the honest citizens or the bad guys or the stupid kids who don't drop a gun, toy or otherwise, when a cop is pointing his very real pistol at the person yelling for them to DROP THE GUN and they don't, instead they swing the muzzle in our direction. For us it's not an exercise or a discussion, it's very fuckin real and our lives and the lives of others hangs in the balance. Kids kill people all the time. You're not less dead or just quasi-dead or kinda dead or play dead just because a kid is the one who kills you...dead is fuckin dead. It's nice that you have the luxury of pondering all these shootings, because we don't have that luxury on the street in real-time.
Don't misunderstand me, I know that there's no getting through to you. But for us it's not abstract. We have to go out there and do the job.
Take care.
[ November 05, 2013, 07:53 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 05, 2013, 03:10 PM:
Yeah, you are right, you won't get through to me because i think cops are there to maintain the peace. Their overriding objective is law and order, not self preservation. If cops are that tramatized, they better find some other, less stressful occupation. They volunteered, they weren't drafted against their will. My attitude is the life and the security of the fucking citizen is more important that the cop. That's your job, pal. You already ha e the bulletproof vest and the best weapons money can buy and a millon dollars worth of tech support. What does some stupid kid have? NOTHING, right? And you're scared? No fucki g wonder. No wonder there is a disconnect between an honest citizen and the jackbooted thugs writing their afteraction lies. I wouldn't have a fucking job like that for all the tea in China. You guys ain't right. And, you goddamned right; I do pay your very generous salary and. Benefits. LB
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on November 05, 2013, 06:23 PM:
leonard. go get laid. you're going off the deep end.
Del makes very good points.
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 05, 2013, 07:48 PM:
Leonard, you pay us to do what you can't or won't do yourselves. And then you feel free to criticize us for the way we do it.
It's your California liberal attitudes that they are just poor misunderstood youth and children of tender years while they maim and rape and kill that created such monsters in the first place.
You call us jack-booted thugs and yet you expect us to die protecting your ass and you don't give a shit if we do. Nice. You're fuckin' welcome.
[ November 05, 2013, 07:51 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 05, 2013, 08:20 PM:
I think I'm going down to Dick's tomorrow and getting me a freshwater fishin' license. I ain't been fishin' in forever and I'm feelin the urge. I just gotta be careful cuz we got big green lizards down here that come rarin' up outta the water on occasion trying to eat you. They are vestiges of the dinosaurs and have little wee brains and huge bigass teeth. People get bitten every year, sometimes killed, sometimes they just lose an arm or fingers or their foo-foo dog or something. Myakka River State Park is crawlin' with them. I enjoy fishin and all but I am disinclined to fight, fuck, and wrestle with a gator as part of the enterprise. The funny part is using a fly rod for bluegill and havin' one hit a round dinny and go to set the hook and the poor fish goes flyin' past your head as a result. Truly an 'ooops' moment, albeit one filled with an iota of amusement. Maybe I'll go saltwater fishin, too, or instead, although to be honest it never held the allure of freshwater fishin'. Chunkin' worms and Rattletraps and spinnerbaits or whippin' the air with the fly rod is really where it's at. Maybe I should write a manifesto or somethin'...
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on November 08, 2013, 02:43 PM:
Dick's actually still sells ammo out here in the Peoples' Republik of New Jersey.
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on November 08, 2013, 07:35 PM:
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Leonard, you pay us to do what you can't or won't do yourselves. And then you feel free to criticize us for the way we do it.
[/QUOTE] You call us jack-booted thugs and yet you expect us to die protecting your ass and you don't give a shit if we do. Nice. You're fuckin' welcome.[/QUOTE]
Ya know, for once, I was on the side of the cops (and I honestly dislike them). I felt sorry for the officers who shot the kid; having seen the airsoft rifle etc. Then there are the two quotes above, and I return to prior beliefs.
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on November 09, 2013, 04:07 AM:
He said,she said and the truth is....
On the other hand,I want to do some cavity searches.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routine-traffic-stops-into-cavity-searches-201433510.html
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on November 09, 2013, 06:56 AM:
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On the other hand,I want to do some cavity searches.
http://news.yahoo.com/police-turn-routine-traffic-stops-into-cavity-searches-201433 510.html
That's an old one.
And it was wrong..
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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on November 09, 2013, 07:03 AM:
I will ask one thing before I log off again.
What would any one of us do if we were in Saigon, Mogadishu, Fallujah, or Camden and if a 13 year old pointed an AK 47 (or what we thought was an AK 47)at us?
4949 out.
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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on November 09, 2013, 07:22 AM:
As far as the cavity search guy in Deming NM, I think that guy in going to come into some money, or maybe they will just kill him with some no knock search in the near future.
Good grief, after an X-ray, 3 enemas, and a couple cavity searches with the doctors fingers, just how many tines are these thugs going to double down and go for broke with their gamble that he has some drugs up his butt? Oh yea, the forced drugging to knock him out and do a colonoscopy too. Sounds like forced anal rape, and sodomy.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 09, 2013, 10:41 AM:
You know, my internet access has beenseverely restricted to this fucking smart phone for two weeks now. And the ability to express myself adequately has suffered because of it.
But, sorry folks, i will always question this type of behavior. We cotizens provide law enforcement with everything they need to do the job. I have little sympathy when told how dangerous it is out on the street. Go get a real job if ultra self protection is your prime motivator.
And having rolled through their friggin safety corrador a few times, i get the impression those NM cops are definaty looking for ACTION. I dont know what i would have done in thatsituation but it would have involved extreme resistance. The word "outragious" does not begin to cover the ABUSE OF POWER DISPLAYED. Man, if that attitude is an example of even a small percentage of 1% of the police officers on the street, then small wonder some of us feel the way we do? But, at least the schmuck ain't dead.
I believe police officers should have respect for normal people. But, all they know is bad guys and i am quite certain that their "world view" is hopelessly distorted. You can't do that job and remain normal. Everybody is out to get ya/bunker mentality and self preservation trumps everything. LB
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 09, 2013, 07:40 PM:
It's ok, CrossJ, I don't like cops, or authority, either. In fact, I don't like people of any flavor, cops or otherwise. I only like Bone Daddy. In 7 years, if I'm lucky, I'll take my dog and go become a camping, fishing, hunting hermit in Montana.
Leonard, I harbor serious doubts that I was ever 'normal' to begin with. Friends and family will readily attest if the 2 videos haven't convinced you already.
Cops are, after all, people, with all the failings and weaknesses and foibles possessed by any and every man (or woman). There are hazards attendant to the job, physical, psychological, behavioral, social. We are neither devils nor saints.
It is my belief that, in regards to any and every person, that we are neither as bad as our worst enemy thinks, nor as good as we think. The truth lies somewhere in the middle. Until there are perfect people, there will be no perfect cops, and there will never be perfect people (apart from Leonard ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
, and he don't want the job) so we're stuck with what we have, just like we're stuck with human judges, juries, and lawyers.
And yes, I went to Dick's and got the combo salt-and-fresh water fishing licenses. If I can drag my old man butt outta bed on Monday morning, my bro and my niece and I have a little expedition planned. We'll see what it brings...
[ November 09, 2013, 07:44 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 09, 2013, 08:48 PM:
Well, good luck to you, Del.
As far as the "normal" part, you have a point since I remember those bizarre videos. You must be aware that you will never win a beauty contest, some of us are luckier in the looks department.
But, as far as fishing goes. It can be a relaxing pastime and also very intense. For me, it is most often intense and I wish it wasn't so. Kicking back, sipping a beer and watching a bobber gives a man a chance to unwind if he will let himself.
I think I love, in this order, Sierra trout, SoCal bass fishing and offshore billfish. If I could afford it maybe the order would be reversed. But anytime you have a line in the water is good.
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 10, 2013, 06:59 PM:
I had to bail on the fishing expedition tomorrow. My back has been hurting the last 3 mornings I got up, and I am just plain beat from workin this weekend. My bro said we'd have to get up about 0500 and I'm just not up for that, not to mention bouncing around on a boat with a back already acting up.
Leonard, telling me I'm not pretty is like telling Santa Claus that kids love him...it's belaboring the obvious. People don't appreciate me for my looks...they appreciate me because I get shit done and make shit happen.
I like fishin for largemouth and panfish well enough, but these big green lizards down here still make me nervous. I want to retire to Montana, to chase trout in cold running streams with no big green lizards within 500 miles. Trout fishing just seems so...pure...and like the apex of the fishing world, in my most humble and personal opinion, anyway.
When I get a chance I may grab the fly rod and wander down to Myakka and see what I can do.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 11, 2013, 02:51 AM:
Fly fishing for trout or pan fish is great, but bow fishing for rough fish is somehow just.........greater.
Good luck with your back. Mine started acting up a couple of weeks ago. Couldn't even sneeze with out having a back spasm. Gawd, that hurt!!
Getting old ain't for sissies, but it beats the alternative. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by DiYi (Member # 3785) on November 11, 2013, 04:53 AM:
Del Glu,
Enjoyed your post of 11/9.Agree 100% only I went to SoDak instead of Montana.Already to F ing many hermits in Montana.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2013, 06:50 AM:
Yes, especially those wild eyed Polack hermits, AKA The Unabomber.
My experience in Minneesota along the Mississippi and associated waters was primarily carp, rarely a gar, sucker or sheepshead, a dogfish once. But my weapon of choice was my beloved 9 iron. Oh, and I had a damned nice seven prong spear. Before that, I went through frog gigs on a daily basis.
It was a rare day when I caught, (on a line) a bass. But, I caught enough bullheads to sink a battleship. It was like this; truck down to the golf course with a coffee can and a flashlight. Pick up a whole can full of nightcrawlers and the next morning catch a pile of these one pound catfish, maybe four foot in diameter, (the pile) and one and a half foot tall. It was just something to do.
But it still remains, the biggest largemouth bass I ever caught was when I was ten years old. Damned near too dark to see; like the last minute and a half of daylight. Damn, that was a nice fish. I put it in a cage beside the dock and some asshole stole it! I could'a been a contender, Stella! Well, I'm not sure aout that, but it was at least a fifteen pounder. On a frog.
I was a regular Huck Finn, in those days. <sigh>
Good hunting. El Bee
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 11, 2013, 07:49 AM:
When I master time travel....
<Add to things to do list>
Go back and observe a young El Bee flailing at a carp with a 9 iron.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2013, 08:22 AM:
I would often wait for them at the spillway. Had to be quick, then run down along the bank as they floated, stunned, belly up for a coup de crux. Up to 40 pounds. Hooking them in the gill with the 9 iron took some skill. But, I was up to it. I actually hate carp. Asian people always wanted them but I never tasted carp/ugh. As much as we were told about "doughballs" I never caught a carp on anything but nightcrawlers. They don't actually "bite" or nibble, they suck. And, are fast when they want to be.
Ah yes, down Memory Lane. El Bee
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 11, 2013, 11:32 AM:
Del on your way to Montana swing by here and we'll go fly fish the Glover river for small mouth bass. Haven't done it since 95 but it'll be fun.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on November 11, 2013, 12:11 PM:
Having bow fished in five states, I've probably given a couple of tons of carp away. Remind me at the next camp-out and I'll tell you guys about the 100 year old Viet Cong guy that was pretty cool.
The preferred method back in my mis-spent youth was to attach a brad nail for a barb into a throw-away wooden arrow and tape an M-80 just above the barb. Then it was off to the spawning fields. It took a bit of co-ordination to hold a burning lighter, draw the arrow, light the fuse, aim and shoot.....all the while the clock's ticking as the fuse burns. A hit would result in the carp swimming off leaving a huge V-wake in the shallow water and the arrow sticking up like a submarine's periscope, then......WHOOOMP!!!
My friends and I thought this to be great fun, but I DO NOT recommend it.
It's a source of wonderment that I made it to adulthood with all of my fingers, both eyes and most of my eyebrows.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 11, 2013, 12:33 PM:
In my youth, it was cherry bombs. I never even heard of M80's until I was approaching my 30's. But, as I recall, they blew the shit out of carp, should they happened to swallow one. I was a rotten kid.
Good hunting. Aunt Bea
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 11, 2013, 10:42 PM:
DiYi, glad you enjoyed the post, sir!
Roger that, Tom, will do!
Thanks, Koko. If it gets too bad I'll resort to those big wide Icy Hot patches. They seem to bring comfort.
Leonard, my idea of perfect retirement is livin' back in the bush in a Unabomber shack like he had...I still remember seeing the pics of them hauling that thing off on a flatbed.
The report on the fishing safari this morning was: they caught lots of fish! This guy knows his stuff. But my bro said I chose wisely deciding not to go...the water was rough and they got bounced around pretty good going from spot to spot.
My back hurtin' woke me up this morning. I rolled to and fro trying different positions to try to pacify it, to no avail. I finally said to heck with it and rolled out at 0830, took my morning lo-dose aspirin, my b/p pill, my glucosamine pill, and then 2 advil and 2 aleve. Back quit causing discomfort around noon. This doesn't happen all the time, just sporadically, thank heaven.
Gonna try Chick-fil-a tomorrow. Never cared for yard bird, but a lady I work with says it's the bomb, so as a concession to her, I said I'd try it. (Last concession didn't work out too well...she recommended something called 'Takis' in the 'fuego' flavor...yikes...might as well just suck down some napalm...had flames shootin' out my ass...left scorch marks on the shitter, glazed the porcelain, and brought the pooper water to a high boil ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
) Hopin' this chicken sammich is boocoo less inflammatory.
[ November 11, 2013, 10:49 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 09:35 AM:
According to their political stand on a few things, I am all for Chick fill a. However, I tried one of their sandwiches once and was not very impressed. Chicken sandwiches are a rather deep subject. I have had more bad ones than good ones. But, DAMN the good ones keep me going back for more!
It's like cheeseburgers. There's In N Out, and everybody else. I had a Five Guys once, bewildering assortment, but the peanuts are good. The Tommy's on Rampart after a Dodgers game is the place to see ball players standing at the wall eating the chile cheeseburgers. Sloppiest burger you ever tasted, (like moose shit)...... but GOOD!
It was a long time ago, but I still remember the Choctaw Burgers at the A&W, when I was in northern Florida. I didn't know anybody outside of California knew how to make a decent burger, at the time? You know those little towns with one cafe, on Main street? They have a burger patty on a bun with a slice of onion and all the mustard you want, for condiments. Yum!
That reminds me. Up in Saskatoon, it's a crack up! In the restaurants, at the tables they usually have a half empty jar of Cheese Whiz! Must be a time warp? I have not seen a jar of that stuff in many years but it's very popular with those folks up in the north woods. They spread it on toast. Go figure?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: one more thing. Speaking of time warp. In Africa, I had toast one morning. They had a electric contraption that toasted the bread on one side at a time for perhaps ten minutes total, maybe longer? Hardly seemed worth it by the time it was ready?
edit: one more thing. In Germany, at some of those old time Gasthases, it could take 15/20 minutes to draw a half liter of draft beer. I don't get it?
[ November 12, 2013, 09:44 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on November 12, 2013, 10:18 AM:
Del, sorry to hear about the back. I hear ya though ! Was off yesterday and passed on a ATV ride.
Called in today, it's really painfull to stand, screwed mine up last spring, lifting disc blades to cut/torch the centers out, they are used on implements called a disc.
Anyway most are only in the 30-40 pound range, but they add up after awhile. Headed for the couch and some mindless TV and hopefully a nap.
Peace..
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 12, 2013, 10:27 AM:
Del, I don't know what you had but I don't want any. Still laughing.
However, Chic Filet ain't bad.
I miss flipping bass bugs, never got into trout flies and stuff but used a lot of Accardo bugs. My Uncle used to order direct enough that Mr. Accardo invited him down to the bayou to fish with him. My Uncle said he was missing his fishing tube and couldn't get used to using a fly rod on a bass boat. Then they rounded a bend and one of those green lizards slid off into the water. He learned to use that fly rod on the boat after all.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on November 12, 2013, 11:35 AM:
That's hilarious! Never thought of it, but those float tubes are real popular in the Sierra's. Not so much in the Bayous, with good reason.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: and for you sissy's, you need to try a little spinal stinosis. I take morphine and Hydracodone every day and still have days that get me down.
[ November 12, 2013, 11:37 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 12, 2013, 07:43 PM:
The yard bird was...ok. I still ain't a chicken fan. But the service was stellar. Given the choice, I'd hit Sonny's Real Pit No Shit BBQ for a turkey Big Deal, crinkle fries, and a sweet tea.
Down hereabouts for bluegill we used something called a Round Dinny on our fly rods. They were made by Accardo, sure enough, and it must be the bluegill version of a Fuddburger, cuz they loved them!
Back was ok this morning, but I got a tinge or two this evening. Didn't partake of Advil/Aleve today and am heading to bed hopeful that it won't disturb my slumber. Gotta work tomorrow, and 0430 comes waaay too early for a man my age.
When I retire, my definition of happiness is gonna be sleeping in in the morning. It ain't natural for man to be woken up by a machine before the sun is up. Nature is best, meaning I wake up when my bod wakes me up, and the sunshine is streamin' into my bedroom. Gettin' up before daylight sucks fairly heavy ass.
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on November 12, 2013, 10:04 PM:
Del, try a spook in either chartreuse, silver, white or black in that order, and have a ball.
Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on November 14, 2013, 09:01 PM:
Thankee, Tom! Will do!
Float tubes??!! Fuck that shit!! I ain't hoppin' in a freakin tube with my legs dangling through and bobbing about in such a condition in gator country!! I'm dumb, but I ain't stupid...ok, not THAT stupid.
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