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Lone Howl
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posted February 27, 2013 05:00 PM
Shit, I lost the link. LA Times...mentioned Mercer L and his traps that are decimating bobcats in Cali, resulting in a bill to ban bobcat hunting ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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[ February 27, 2013, 05:02 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
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Frank
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posted February 27, 2013 05:22 PM
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-bobcats-20130211,0,1532424.story
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Frank
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posted February 27, 2013 06:14 PM
This is gonna ruffle some feather but I don't give a shit.
I remember when they banned Mnt Lion hunting in California.
Nothing could stop these environmentalists. TV commercials, biased opinions, no listening to reason..............ran right over the hunters like not so much as a speed bump. They had the full weight of the media behind them and there was no stopping em'. As I remember, the club spent all kinds of money fighting it.
Now, even owning parts of a Mtn Lion, even one taken legally out of state, is a crime with huge fines.
The article reminds me of one time I took a new club member out on a hunt. I wanted to give him a good experience so took him to many of my favorite spots. BIG MISTAKE!
For the next three or four years these spots were dead. I couldn't figure out why because they've always produced for as long as I can remember hunting them.
Found out later that the new club member I treated nice and whom I showed my favorites spots was a trapper. He had been trapping the areas I showed him all those years. I asked him to go trap his own areas.....he said "why", I can trap anywhere I want!
Yea, I guess he was in his right, but I didn't like it. How would you like to spend months worth of weekends hunts coming up empty? He could have at least told me he was trapping my areas so I could hunt someplace else. Of course he didn't. Turned me off to trappers forever.
I want animals to hunt, not to have some jerk make money while decimating my (our) hunting grounds. Fuck em'.
An now I might loose my bobcat hunting privileges because of some jerks trapping where they weren't supposed to? Figures, only takes one mothe fkr to ruin it for everybody else.
So that's where I just ruffled some feathers but I don't give a shit. I see trapping as a "commercial activity" not hunting. What really got me was the trappers would always come around asking for our help when they were facing some legislative threat yet when we needed help they were never around or "had no money".
Trappers and hunters are two different animals. One goes out to enjoy nature and hunting, the other goes out to make a buck. These are two, totally different interests. They're on their own as far as I'm concerned.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2013 06:23 PM
It's the same old, tried and true appeal to emotion, just like the lion "moratorium".
These are your typical liberal bleeding hearts, who demand that everybody do things THEIR WAY, OR THE HIGHWAY.
For the enforcement people to weigh in on the issue is completely out of line. They have laws and regulations to enforce, but none of us need or want their opinions about something that does not concern them.
First the crybabies get a ban on leghold traps because of "cruelty". Now they want more, they always want more.
Good hunting. El Bee
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 27, 2013 06:31 PM
F "How would you like to spend months worth of weekends hunts coming up empty?"
Welcome to my life. ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
I still liked it better than mowing the lawn. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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R.Shaw
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posted February 27, 2013 06:34 PM
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Trappers and hunters are two different animals.
Frank....nothing could be further from the truth.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2013 06:44 PM
In some cases, the motivation is different. Especially concerning what Frank is talking about, which is contests.
Good hunting. El Bee
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CrossJ
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posted February 27, 2013 06:59 PM
Frank, how much trapping have you done? There really is very little fact in your statement to back up your suppositions. The concept of what maintains a population of a renewable resource is not based on stockpiling. If removing animals from your hunting areas during prime fur season depleted your numbers, you had bigger problems than a trapping competitor.
As far as your trappers and hunters not needing each other, look into what the elk hunters, mule deer hunters and antelope hunters are campaigning for in areas that have out lawed trapping. You guessed it, legalizing trapping. Predator numbers have increased to a point in these areas that they are putting huge pressure on these game species and effecting numbers. Predator callers alone won't get the job done.
As far as throwing another group of 'sportsman' under the bus because you don't peruse that particular avenue is kinda chicken shit. I don't hunt deer, I don't shoot an AR and I don't run grey hounds on coyotes; but I sure as hell don't believe they should be outlawed by some disneyesque animal rights activists playing on emotion and not fact.
Feathers ruffled....maintain
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CrossJ
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posted February 27, 2013 07:03 PM
Lb, isn't competing in a hunt for a financial prize the same as an economic enterprise?
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Krustyklimber
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posted February 27, 2013 07:05 PM
Aren't contests about winning money? ...Just sayin'
I honestly miss trapping, for the fun, the challenge, and the SUCCESS of it, more than I miss hunting of any kind.
Running the trapline (*non NWC trapping) was never about the money, for me.
Divide, and BE conquered.
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Chris S
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posted February 27, 2013 07:35 PM
HOLY shit. I was reading the comments that accompanied the story...
They view the bobcats as pets, don't ya see? They love those cats and give them names. Stop the madness!
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Lone Howl
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posted February 27, 2013 07:41 PM
Yeah the comments are priceless. These people are fucking idiots.
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Chris S
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posted February 27, 2013 07:53 PM
Mark, they're bound to outlaw the Chevy Silverado. Better watch what you post. They're watching. Lol.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2013 08:51 PM
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Lb, isn't competing in a hunt for a financial prize the same as an economic enterprise?
Geordie, I don't want to support Frank and his opinion. What I "assumed" he meant is: a commercial rather than a sporting event. A trapper traps for money. We hunt for sport.
No, our hunts do not involve money. Since the 70's, no financial awards, merchandise, stuff like that. We decided 40 years ago that money corrupts, just like bass tournaments, in the past. We bust our friggin'ass for a belt buckle or a engraved knife or a cup or bowl.
But, you would think a lot of money is at stake, judging by the effort expended.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted February 27, 2013 09:32 PM
Leonard around here contests are for money.
Franks problem is he trusted someone to do what he thought they should do. His problem ain't with trapping its that he showed his hand and got beat.
One reason I mostly hunt alone.... But I do like a check every now and then too.
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Kokopelli
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posted February 27, 2013 10:17 PM
Frank;
YOU took somebody you didn't know well to your honey holes and they did you wrong so now you paint ALL trappers with the same dirt-bag brush????
Wrong.........Wrong.........and.......Wrong.
Might I suggest that you attend one of the trapping conventions there in Calif. and talk to the trappers. Or, come over here to our Az. convention this summer and I'll buy you a root-beer. You might find out that not all trappers are evil creatures. Not sayn' that all trappers are pure as the wind driven snow but over-all they're a pretty decent bunch.
And yeah;
I do remember the Calif. Mt. Lion ban. As a matter of fact, I read the entire initiative and there's things in it that you wouldn't believe.
Then, it was placed on the ballot under the header; "To Benefit Wildlife". Needless to say, we lost.
Frank, trust me on this one; the tree huggers have beaten trappers to their knees and still want more. When they finally do ban trapping they won't stop. They will come after calling contests. They will come after night hunting. They will come after us anywhere they can divide and conquer us.
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Leonard
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posted February 28, 2013 08:29 AM
This is truth. Cosmic truth. When you take anybody to a spot, it ain't yours anymore. I doubt there is a predator hunter that has not found this out?
Good hunting. LB
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DanS
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posted February 28, 2013 08:47 AM
Several years ago, I got laid off from work one fall and spent three months scouting and bow hunting for whitetails. Come firearms deer season, I had lots of good spots. Of course several of my friends didn't have a spot to go, so I told them where to go. Well I lost all or some of those spots, as they became "their spots" to this day. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Kelly Jackson
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posted February 28, 2013 08:55 AM
I enjoyed traping back in the late 70's and early 80's. Never was real good at it, but I always remember every morning was like Xmas morning.....could not wait to see what I caught.
Know some folks that kept trapping even though the $$ return was not there. It was for the love of it.
Trapper have and always will have my support.
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Lone Howl
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posted February 28, 2013 08:56 AM
lol Chris, for sure, might have to get a (gulp) Ford?
I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.
Mark
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Leonard
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posted February 28, 2013 09:40 AM
FORD? Friends don't let friends buy Fords, do they?
I don't care what you drive as long as it's not a Ford. (just kidding)
Good hunting. LB
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Frank
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posted March 01, 2013 07:56 AM
I sure know how to shit in my own nest, don’t I?
Well, for that I apologize to the group.
When I read that article in the Smell A Times about the idiot going in to Joshua Tree and trapping it reminded me of my own bad experience with a trapper…….got me pissed off all over again when I thought about it.
If you knew anything about Joshua Tree National Monument you’d know to stay the hell away from it. If you go in there and hunt or trap you’re gonna stir up a hornets nest and I guarantee the outcome ain’t gonna be pretty.
So now we see another proposal to ban bobcat hunting. Of course it ain’t the first. The anti’s here in California have been trying to do that for as long as I can remember and so far we’ve kept em’ at bay. But all it takes is one idiot like this to focus everyone’s attention on bobcats and next thing you know it’ll be illegal to hunt em’ even though hunters had nothing to do with it.
The anti’s here are looking for any little excuse to push their agenda and this idiot trapping Joshua Tree is helping them. God all mighty, how stupid can ya get? And for what? Just to make a few bucks you’re gonna ruin it for everybody?
From a political perspective, the varmint hunters have always been allied with the trappers. But I’m beginning to think that’s a mistake. When you get idiots like this trapping Joshua Tree the dirt is gonna rub off on varmint hunters and because we’re “together” we’re gonna suffer the same fate. The anti’s WILL put us in the same boat, don’t ya see?
The way I see it varmint hunters have to start lookin’ out for their own instead of letting themselves be dragged down by an association that turns out to pretty much one sided anyways. I’m not gonna fight em’ but as far as I’m concerned trappers are on their own.
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posted March 01, 2013 03:49 PM
well just remember when they get done taking all the trapping rights that you dont want to help keep there will be alot more time on their table to work on taking away the calling rights, and when they take your calling rights you will be in the same boat with the trappers, you sound alot like the tree huggers i have met, "take the other guys stuff so i can be happy", and people wonder why the world is going to hell in a hand basket, is turned into a ME world
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Kokopelli
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posted March 01, 2013 04:46 PM
How does that go????
When they came for ......... I didn't speak up because I wasn't a .........
And when they came for the ....... I didn't speak up because I wasn't a .........
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak for me.
Lets all piss in each others boots and watch our rights wash away. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
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TOM64
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posted March 01, 2013 05:37 PM
Frank, trappers are hunters.
If you want to lump all trappers in together then I ask, how many varmint hunters have you seen shoot from the road, pop a coyote on property without permission, go back and call your secret spot, cheat in a contest, heck we could pretty much say humanity is one sorry life form if you want to lump em all together.
Some do draw unneeded attention to the sport, weed em out.
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