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Leonard
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posted December 15, 2012 02:16 PM
What a surprise! The call to disarm America began almost immediately. Like Rahm Emanual says, never let a crisis go to waste.
I am comforted by the fact that every one of these murders occur in locations where guns are banned.
As soon as we disarm the population, the Liberals will have created a million more places ripe for slaughter.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TundraWookie
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posted December 15, 2012 02:35 PM
No surprise there Leonard with the Liberals . I am all for the worst imaginable types of torture for people who do things to children. I think the lethal injection or electric chair is too kind for fools like that.
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Prune Picker
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posted December 15, 2012 02:44 PM
And the shooter(s') all have been labeled as deranged, but the gun('s) did it.
I wish people like nicole simpson & the goldman kid could offer a word or two about what "not" having a gun in a crisis situation can do for your chance of survival,
The school shooting incident in Connecticut was a terrible tragedy, as all murders have been and they are not likely to have ever happened except there was sick people involved in EVERY one of them.
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TundraWookie
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posted December 15, 2012 02:51 PM
I think this generation of realistic video games is not helping the future. Kids brought up hunting and knowing gun safety are not the types of psychos killing people at schools.
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Leonard
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posted December 15, 2012 03:01 PM
Oh yeah, by the way. This asshole apparently stole those weapons from his mother, (then killed her) when he tried to buy a rifle and was declined, just the previous week.
One of these days, folks. They are coming.
I just wish they wouldn't shoot themselves. My all time favorite punishment would be to lock the killer in a room with relatives of the victims and then just beat the son of a bitch to death, slowly.
Take the space cadet that shot Giffords. He has not a worry in the world, nice comfy cell, three squares a day they change his sheets, life is good.
That's the main question for me. It's easy for somebody else to say, "Hey, that guy is a nut, don't let him have a gun." But real psychopaths, how do we identify these freaks and deal with them, because these are who will be responsible for taking away the rights of innocent people and making them defenseless.
Good hunting. Lima Bravo
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Leonard
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posted December 15, 2012 03:10 PM
Along with what Tundra said.
What pisses me off has been the shielding of reality from the public on graphic violence. Every time they show something on TV they have to include the warnings, "This may disturb some people" then they sanitize it anyway.
I think if the average citizen KNEW the destructive power of weapons, they would not be so quick to shoot somebody for the fun of it. So, show the blood and the gore and the bodies. Somebody needs to see what happens when you use a firearm. Forget about the neat little hole and the red spot, maybe a trickle of blood on the corner of the mouth. Actually show the hole you could drive a truck through. Like a guy killed with buckshot. Am I off base here?
The video games where you can reset and start over, it's a joke and all these kids would shit their pants when confronted by a real killer with real bullets.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: when was the last time you killed a coyote with a shotgun and he flew back ten feet from the impact.....like everybody has seen in the movies? And then, they just have that trickle of blood in the corner of the mouth and can manage a few last words before croking.
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TundraWookie
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posted December 15, 2012 03:13 PM
If there was more vigilante justice for these type of lunatics I think there would be less occurrences. If they could prove that all these people were true psychopath they would still get a cell and 3 squares a day. Our government is pathetic in terms of punishment for criminals.
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TundraWookie
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posted December 15, 2012 03:20 PM
Leonard I think you're correct in that these kids need a dose of reality and what guns can really do. The modern video games are unbelievably graphic and almost real looking from what I've seen. But they can still reset and start over unlike the real world.
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posted December 15, 2012 03:35 PM
i just got back from a 4-h shoot with 60 kids shooting air rifles, pistols, and bows and no has been hurt in 20 yrs at these, safest bunch of people i have ever been around, teach them about firearms and they will respect them.
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posted December 15, 2012 03:40 PM
For the past several mths i have had my nieces' two boys (ages 2 & 4) with me at least 3 days per week. I had them when fishing, swimming, BBQ ing etc. The first thing i did was let them know i was the boss and if they didn't like it they were staying with granny at the house. About 3 times is all it took for them to understand fishing or granny I gave them a choice. I made it clear to them and their mother about guns & children, they ain't toys and until they are of age to understand that they are not included when firearms were present. I hope i did the right thing.
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Leonard
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posted December 15, 2012 04:03 PM
Just because I'm a grumpy old man. It pisses me off. Here you have a bunch of dead kids and EVERYBODY already knows the shooter killed himself. Yet, what do we see? SWAT teams all in tactical gear and camo armed with machine guns, standing around like this will make a difference.
Would it be better to have a few plain clothes detectives interviewing witnesses and survivors? I don't get it?
Oh yeah, as long as I'm ranting. How about Dickweed overcome with emotion and shedding crocodile tears?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Cdog911
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posted December 15, 2012 04:26 PM
I believe it was either the Vietnam War of WWII where they were having so much troub le getting US soldiers to shoot at the enemy so they began using grpahic video imagery to dehumanize the enemy and the result was that the soldiers were better able to pull the trigger, repeatedly. Draw your own conclusions.
Yes, the American people are shielded. I used to have a family from India on my route and they received the newspaper from some large Indian city. On at least three occasions, radicals bombed shoppings areas and public places resulting in the predictable carnage. Thos papers had the full monty in technicolor display on the front page. VERY graphic. No questions or confusion at all as to what those people dealt with.
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Leonard
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posted December 15, 2012 04:39 PM
Mexican print media is the same. All the blood and gore in color.
Shit, we can't even see a nipple without a star over it.
Good hunting. LB
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trapper2
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posted December 15, 2012 05:33 PM
mike, everyone picks their own way and whats right to them. my boys 5 now and has been around guns since he was born, i tryed to teach him about them as early as i could and let him know what they were for and what they are capable of doing. he's been shooting since he was three and i trust him more then most grown folks. he still dont get to do anything much by hisselfbut he can tell you all about guns, something else i dont think kids know about now days is death, they shoot some one on a video game and its no big deal but they dont have any real life deals about death. we have lost dogs, pets, calves and everything else around here and i want him to understand it. he has a good handle on it, he still asked the good Lord to watch over every dog we have lost, he understands they aint coming back, i just dont think alot of kids understand that now
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posted December 15, 2012 06:01 PM
This deal is beyond human reasoning.
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TundraWookie
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posted December 15, 2012 06:42 PM
I agree with your insight Trapper2 on how kids should understand the dangers of guns and also the reality of life and death. It's a tragedy what happened in this latest shooting and I pray that all the families are managing the best they possibly can. These "gun-free" zones are a horrible loophole for psychopath's to level innocent people until they usually turn the gun on themselves. By that time, they've inflicted too much damage and the SWAT teams arrive just in time to play detectives after the fact. It's good that they are trying to work on the motives, but putting guns in responsible people's hands in gun free zones to prevent such a tragedy should become objective number one if you ask me. I'd be happy to see legal citizens who pass whatever screening process is necessary tote a gun in gun-free areas. If they pass the screening, let them legally carry the gun. Psycho's never seem to go into Cabela's or gunstores to kill people. I wonder why that is?
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posted December 15, 2012 09:40 PM
Trapper, what you have taught your son x 10. Until this past summer these boys hadn't seen a real gun. Their mother fired her first shots while here. She was pissed that her brothers have shot and owned guns for several years, but she claimed to never been offered a chance to fire one. Now she thinks a 44 isn't too much but loves a snub 357 W/38's for targets. And a AR15 sp1 carbine will be her first rifle purchase.
If we don't teach them, no one will.
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4949shooter
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posted December 16, 2012 02:42 AM
There goes Leonard picking on SWAT teams again. (I had a smiley face here but removed it due to the horrific circumstances).
Seriously though, it is the general road duty cop who will be tasked to put an end to these horrible incidents. In this case, the POS turned his gun on himself. SWAT's job is to sweep the area, or come in if there is a barricaded / hostage situation. Some locals have SWAT officers on patrol as road cops, and they respond with their gear in better time than activating an entire SWAT team. Don't get me wrong, SWAT would be perfect for this type of thing, but under normal course of action it takes them too long to get there. The onus is on the road cop.
This is a picture of an Israeli teacher circa 2002:
That's an M1 carbine slung across her back.
This is what it would take to keep our schools safe. Though, Israel has a different culture than we do, and this type of thing would never be stomached by our society. In our culture many of our teachers wouldn't have the resolve to use it. Some would. I think military service is mandatory in Israel, so she is probably trained on the M1.
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DanS
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posted December 16, 2012 09:07 AM
I'm trying to picture one of our tenured union teachers carrying a rifle around the school. Most likely would claim a psychological trauma issue or back injury from carrying the rifle and get a hefty disability check every week.
That is if the union allowed it to even be near a teacher.
Though I am sure there are some teachers that would welcome the protection.
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posted December 16, 2012 09:29 AM
Here are two letters to the Editor from today's AZ Daily Star. It's rare for me to look at the editorials because the Tucson newpaper is a Liberal Rag!
NRA should create victim endowments
As a gun owner and former life member of the National Rifle Association, I feel it would be appropriate for the NRA to establish endowments of a million dollars a year (after taxes) for each of the survivors of mass killings, which seem to be increasing in frequency.
Surely this is the least it could do.
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The coldblooded murder of children and school staff is, without a doubt one of the most heinous crimes imaginable.
As awful as it and other similar tragedies are, to blame the legally manufactured firearms is not only immorally taking advantage of horrendous situations, but placing blame on an inanimate object.
When knives, baseball bats and automobiles are used to take life, you don't hear cries to ban these. There are laws in place to control the legal acquisition of firearms. These laws must be enforced to the fullest extent of the law.
There are numerous legal ways to prevent unqualified people from legally acquiring firearms. These are the avenues that should be pursued, evaluated and if necessary, strengthened.
The media rarely covers the numerous times that the mere presence of a firearm or the legal use of said firearm has both prevented crimes and saved lives. These events happen much more frequently than tragedies.
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posted December 16, 2012 09:39 AM
How does one become a "former" life member?
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Leonard
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posted December 16, 2012 11:42 AM
Well, it's clear to me that the solution is not to disarm the citizens. What we need is a way to identify WACKOS. Then, perhaps, we can incarcerate them, every last liberal, under every rock, in the entire country. That's a good start.
I'm not nuts. If these liberal assholes with their kneejerk reactions can scream "blame the NRA, get rid of the guns" then I am perfectly justified in screaming for laws registering Liberals and Democrats.
An armed society is a polite society.
Good hunting. El Bee
PS 49, I absolutely LOVE that photo!
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DanS
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posted December 16, 2012 11:53 AM
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How does one become a "former" life member?
Just resign your membership like Former President GH Bush did when he called the NRA "Jack Booted Thugs".
Kind of sounds funny coming from the executive branch of the Gov't calling someone else that.
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posted December 16, 2012 12:09 PM
I've been chewing on this for the last 72 hours. These events are disturbing to say the least. In particular when children are involved.
Something is off here and has been for awhile..Can't put a finger on it and probably never will.
It's a media frenzy, and it's doubtfull we'll get the real facts. If anybody know's what they are..
The bottom line is, we as responsible people will pay the price. It's much easier that way..
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