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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 06, 2012, 11:39 PM:
 
I see that TT posted on another board that he is no longer going to train or breed dogs due to a out break of parvo virus in the area.. Yeah right!! I bet there is more to it than that...LOL
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on December 07, 2012, 04:36 AM:
 
why is it you have such a hard-on for Tony??
unless i've missed something, i really can't recall ANYBODY other than you that try and knock the guy.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 06:20 AM:
 
Maybe cause no one took timmy up on his offer to educate them in the ways of killing coyotes...

I've met Tony, listened to a few seminars, have a few of his calls, I like the guy and wish him the best. It's not everyone that can quit a job and move your whole family to start doing what you love for a living.

Jealousy can eat you alive, just sayin...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 07:50 AM:
 
Hmmm? Well, I know AR Shaw is also one of Tony's Fanboys, but I'm not impressed. Call it jealousy, if you like, although I have never had any ambition to be a Coyote God. I just put TT in the same class as Byron South, and that can't be good.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on December 07, 2012, 08:09 AM:
 
TA's probably just bitter because TT doesn't use a WT or hunt with a hot rod crew...just sayin'.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 09:31 AM:
 
I hold a little grudge for anyone who tries to make money out of this, from other hunters that is. Seen several come on the scene totally new, asking questions then all of a sudden, they are charging for hunts and are experts.

I've been doing this for fun for 30 something years and admittedly, still have trouble putting it all together enough that I know I ain't an expert or even a great caller, just good enough.

But as a person I like Tony and he knows calls and coyotes.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 10:09 AM:
 
Fair enough, Tom. I never met the man, so I should probably reserve my opinion.

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: PS, it just occurred to me, who you are talking about, but every time I make a small dig, the little fuck goes ballistic.

[ December 07, 2012, 10:12 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 11:04 AM:
 
Unfortunately Leonard, there's more than one....

And yes they do go ballistic but its so much fun!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 11:25 AM:
 
Oh, I know there is more than one, but I'm talking about a particular "expert" little prick. Now, who come to mind?

Good hunting. El Bee

edit: I'm way too obvious: "little fuck" & "little prick"

[ December 07, 2012, 11:27 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 07, 2012, 12:42 PM:
 
No Jealousy on my part, I was just posting a little news on the prick is all..LOL

And Tom I still take a few guys out each year and help them with there calling, I just don't make a big deal about it.. Scott and Randy helped me out and I have been paying it forward ever since..

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I hold a little grudge for anyone who tries to make money out of this, from other hunters that is. Seen several come on the scene totally new, asking questions then all of a sudden, they are charging for hunts and are experts.

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Exactly Tom and thats why I don't like the guy. TT is one of the best snake oil salemen there is, hell he even has you fooled..
The guy lived most his life in Iowa and became a coyote/Bobcat calling expert over night. At the time of his big move he only had 1-2 cats under his belt and both were called in by another hunter..LOL
Now he also claims to be a Mist expert and has a product up for sale to the unknowing...
TT is also the only hunter I know that will shoot a coyote in the ass on purpose just so he can watch his dogs kill the animal, sick bastard if you ask me..
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on December 07, 2012, 01:11 PM:
 
I like Tony and it's not just because Tim doesn't, though that would be reason enough. If Tony were half as bad as Dim says he is then he would of gone down with the ship long ago. However for the most part I see very few of his clients or customer's ever complain. You can put me down as a satisfied customer. I have two of his calls. One is a production call that works extremely well for calling in coyotes and mule deer. The other is a custom cow horn tip call that has an amazing high pitched sound, that I've had great success in calling in coyotes while imitating a pup in distress. Tony has been generous to me as well as a number of my friends. I wish him nothing but the best of luck.

Strange that Timmy refers to Tony as an over-night expert. Most folks here still wonder what in the world ever qualified Tim to think he was an expert at anything? I mean beyond pirouetting as ballerina while holding your WT caller above his head.

[ December 07, 2012, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: ursus21 ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 02:19 PM:
 
timmy, I have a call or two of his and got to watch him build and tune a few. Also saw him quizzed on several aspects of killin coyotes and his answers seemed right to me. Know several who hunted with him including Kelly Jackson and no one complained about him.

As for snake oil, I don't buy into it and didn't even know he was peddling it. I'd fault him for that but then even ol Leonard says it works so who's to say its snake oil?

And Tony's been around quite awhile, ain't like he read a page or two on pm and hung out a shingle.

But you're welcome to dislike anyone you wish.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 07, 2012, 02:25 PM:
 
You have a pic of one of TT calls????

Edit to add; I know lots of guys that also have one of his calls but you are the very few that actually use them...

[ December 07, 2012, 02:31 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 03:32 PM:
 
....he's selling mist? Man, there's an idea I could have kept to myself.

Good hunting. ol' El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 07, 2012, 04:20 PM:
 
Yeah and he has his own formula which makes his piss better than your's...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 05:32 PM:
 
That's okay, Tim. As long as he clearly states that it is based on Leonard's Magic Mist, only new and improved.

You know, Scott Huber touched on this subject a while ago. On these pages. He said these new upstarts didn't pay enough "tribute" for lack of a better word to the pioneers that went before. You would think these guys invented ladders and mist and a bunch of other ideas and techniques rather than reading about it on the Internet.

Then, Byron popped in here and said; "I did not", and then as much as admitted that he was a wet behind the ears grandstander....or something like that?

Anyway, like Uncle Jay told him, "you have to watch their body language" and he went and tacked that profound statement on the end of his 29th video, and made it sound like it was an original idea he just thought of. Or, something like that?

Then you have a less than grateful Higgy, who recently revealed that Leonard didn't invent Magic Mist! Of course, I never said I did, but it never progressed beyond a group of two or three dozen people that used the technique for 25 years without anybody else knowing about it. I blabbed it all over the Internet 18 years ago, and literally thousands of people were suddenly debating the merits. Just a kind word, now and then is all I ask.

Kids. No respect.

Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 07, 2012, 06:40 PM:
 
Leonard you and Scott along with a few others will always have my thanks and I have no problem giveing it to those that have put in the hard work and earned it and are willing to give or share some of their knowledge...
Thats the problem with alot of todays callers, no one wants to get there hands dirty or put in the work thats required, best they can do is come up with excuses or go begging from one site to the other looking for a hand out...
Then you have a few that think they should have credit for everything that you do or come up with on your own...
Got banned from another site awhile back and only 2 days had past and I already had someone claiming my ideas/ exsperiance as there own...LOL
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 07, 2012, 07:01 PM:
 
tim, you're an idiot!!!

LB, be careful or you'll end up being a grumpy old man who sprays the neighbor kids with a garden hose for riding their bikes on the sidewalk in front of your house while mumbling to yourself about how those damn kids have no respect mumble mumble blah blah ....little sonsabitchs anyways.

I've learned quite a bit from you about night calling and such, amongst other things.... Thank you!

tim, you're still an idiot!!!
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on December 07, 2012, 07:23 PM:
 

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I already had someone claiming my ideas/ exsperiance as there own...

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which "idea" of yours did they steal? Holding thier ecaller over thier head and rotating 360 degrees? Them bastards....no thankful sonsabitchs..
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 07, 2012, 07:40 PM:
 
As far as I know Les is the only other one that does it...

A guy on another forum (btech29) claimed that 3800-4000 fps. is the best vel. to have with a 17 cal. 30 gr. bullet for killing coyotes..
How would he know that? He just started useing a 17 cal. this year.LOL
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 07, 2012, 08:01 PM:
 
TT....Mr 3000 coyotes!!!!! Sorry guys, I call bullshit on Mr. TT, the Dean of PU. TT resides under the skirts of the admin at PM, where no one can even question anything he says.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 08:09 PM:
 
If there's no video of me spraying those kids, it didn't happen.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 07, 2012, 08:32 PM:
 
El Bee;
Try tossing a little gravel on the sidewalk where they ride their skateboards.
Grumble, mutter, grumble.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 08:50 PM:
 
Geordie, I agree the 3000 coyotes is BS and if I see him again, I'll call it and see how he can splain that away. Seems like he addressed that as a generalization or the writer took him literally, who knows?
 

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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on December 07, 2012, 09:14 PM:
 
Just for the record the "writer" that wrote the 3000 coyotes comment is a personal friend of mine and he's since regretted using that number. He took a casual off-hand comment as fact and unfortunately it has inadvertently haunted Tony ever since...much to said writer's regret.

Ironically Tim says something stupid nearly every day, yet he's still allowed to share his in-depth wealth of nothingness on a regular basis. Go figure.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 07, 2012, 09:23 PM:
 
Well, I don't know about how many coyotes Tony has killed. But, that's what a bullshit artist does, they "generalize".

now, that 3,000 number divided by how many years he has been at it. So, easy math, ten years times 300 animals would work out to 3,000.

The problem is, I don't have a real good idea of how many years our boy has been at it? It's probably more than 5, but in five years it would be 600 coyotes a year, if my arithmetic is accurate. So, it must be somewhere between 300 and 600 a year, right? I know a couple properties where he has access and, when I was there last February, I saw three coyotes in four days. Poor hunting, long drought.

So. He must be one hell of a hunter to scrape that many coyotes or he has a number of glory holes that the guys what taught him, don't know about?

He might have misplaced a decimal point or carried a stray zero somewhere? These things happen to the best of us. It's all easily explained, so take it easy, boys. We just need to give him a chance without jumping to conclusions.

Good hunting. Lima Bravo

edit: ursus posted while I was writing. So, Tony never said that? That changes things, somewhat.

[ December 07, 2012, 09:26 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 07, 2012, 10:34 PM:
 
Oh and just so timmy doesn't call BS on me...


 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 08, 2012, 12:14 AM:
 
Oh I would'nt do that Tom. I'd leave that up to the others..

Actually wanted to see a pic of one of TT hand calls.. A shot of the tone board would be nice...
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on December 08, 2012, 07:14 AM:
 
Tony has been a straight up guy with me, and he surely makes some good calls. Try his "LSB" one time and you'll be sold. He partners up with Kerry Carver as a hunting partner, a great call maker in his own right, and they have done well in contests. I wish him well in all his endeavors.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 08, 2012, 08:32 AM:
 
Ah... I see the "recurved" mouthpiece on that howler... like mist, Tony claims to have "invented" that too (*about two years after Uncle Jay first used the term, to describe the call I made him).

He even went so far as to hassle other newer call makers, telling them to cease and desist using the design element (or else). lol

Then Tony made this:



The only credit he gave me "Now I see why Krusty used to name each call he built." ...really?

*At least when THO did it, he admitted to stealing "my idea".

Krusty

P.S. I did not invent the recurved mouthpiece, both Brad H and Tom Talker were using it at around the same time I started using it, but without my knowing they were.
I credit it to my brother, Red, who urged me to make the mouthpieces "slimmer and more comfortable".

P.P.S. There's nothing new, under the sun.
Both Gerry and Gerald can be seen "waving" e-caller speakers around in their videos.

[ December 08, 2012, 08:39 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 08, 2012, 09:23 AM:
 
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El Bee;
Try tossing a little gravel on the sidewalk where they ride their skateboards.
Grumble, mutter, grumble.
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No shit, just the other day while downtown two skateboard dudes-punks. Took their sweet ass time walking across the intersection, as soon as they hit the sidewalk..Wham there they go

[ December 08, 2012, 09:26 AM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 08, 2012, 10:25 AM:
 
Yeah, or they walk down the middle of the f'ing road in packs of 3-5 like badasses.

When I was in 7th grade I was a skate punk. One day while skating with a bud, front wheel hit a rock and tossed me to the road. Broke my fall with my chin. Blood everywhere. Went home and my dad told me to shake it off, moms took me to the hospital and I proceeded to get 20 stitches to close up the gaping wound.
Ill always remeber how they plucked out all the gravel from under my skin. Gross!
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 08, 2012, 11:25 AM:
 
I have you beat, 40 stitches in my chin, looked like I had another mouth.

I was watching my kid and a friend ride their bikes up and down the street and around the block pulled by Red the wonder dog on a long piece of rope. It went like this, one boy would ride the bike and Red would chase after him. The other guy, (Lurch) had the rope tied to Red's collar and he was on a skateboard. So, you couldn't get Red to just pull the kid around, Red needed to chase after the one on the bike shouting encouragement.

This is where I started to think it looked like fun. So, I asked to hold the rope and got on the skateboard. Now, (apparently) my son figured that since he had a full grown adult on the skateboard, he should ride at top speed, which was about twice as fast as what I had seen before.

As we turned the corner and started down hill, they forgot to inform me that one of the front casters was missing a ball bearing and it seized up. I went rolling up against a parked car.

Time passes. one day, several years later, I stuck my right hand in the front pocket of my Levis and had a pain like I was stuck with a needle. I examined the back of my hand and there was a noticeable little bump between my fourth and fifth metacarpal. So, I went to see the doctor and he set me up for surgery a few days later.

I had a paper napkin over my hand and as soon as the scalpel cut into the bump, I felt a scrape, like hitting rock. Both the doc and nurse were going "hmm, look at that" and tried to extract whatever it was with a pair of channel locks....I think?

But, between the ligaments something propelled the foreign object and although it was difficult to see from my angle, I saw where it landed, and no one else did. So, now they are puzzled, still poking around and wondering what happened to the object. I used my left hand and was going to point to the fold between my arm and my waist and they panicked, thinking I was going to contaminate the wound and nothing kept them from probing deeper and wider looking for the "object".

Eventually, I had enough of this foolishness and told them I saw where it went and told them where to look. When I left the office, they put it in a little plastic case as a souvenir. Now, here's the interesting part.

I did have a wound on the back of my hand from the tumble. It was deep and dark red and it didn't bleed much. Eventually, it healed and I forgot about it until that day a couple years later. The interesting thing was, the cut/wound was between my first and second metacarpal, and it had migrated probably two inches across the back of my hand. Somehow?

And what was it? It was a piece of clear glass that looked a lot like a half carat diamond, maybe a little bigger? Especially the bottom, pointed part.

These days, I am very careful about getting on skateboards and for sure don't do anything radical. I had that glass for many years, it's still probably around here someplace but the last time I was looking for it, I didn't find it. It's still a mystery how it got from point A to point B?

Good hunting. El Bee

PS someday, I will tell you about those 40 stitches and what also happened years later.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 08, 2012, 11:31 AM:
 
Don't ya just hate those control freaks that demand that you stay on topic?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 08, 2012, 12:00 PM:
 
Who me ?

I've never been a fan of on topic conversations, surely you jest..
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 08, 2012, 12:48 PM:
 
Dang Leonard, I would have beat those kids' asses!

Just kidding, I think.
Mark
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 08, 2012, 01:40 PM:
 
In my case, I had kids on skateboards start riding down out sidewalk about 10:00 at night, waking the baby up, crying, etc.
After explaining the problem and asking them to use another street in the sub-division, I was told that they could ride where-ever they wanted to, f*ck off, etc. They then started going out of their way to use my sidewalk, waking the baby up every time.
A handful of deco-gravel on the sidewalk and the memory of three of them flying thru the air still brings a smile to my face many years later.
I'm basicly a nice guy, but combine a strange sense of humor with a dormant `prick-gene` along with a bit of motivation and sometimes things just happen.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 08, 2012, 02:40 PM:
 
Koko, I tip my hat to you sir.
 

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Posted by DEL GUE (Member # 1526) on December 08, 2012, 05:35 PM:
 
Gentlemen, I hate to belabor the obvious, but if we live in an age where Barack Hussein Obama can get elected president, with his credentials, and tben four years later get re-elected president, with his record, then anybody can pretty much claim anything and probably get away with it.

Just sayin'...

[ December 08, 2012, 05:36 PM: Message edited by: DEL GUE ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 08, 2012, 06:56 PM:
 

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4 dog pounds in the area had to destroy every dog, due to parvo outbreak, even with concrete enclosures. I have a good vaccination program in place and haven't had a problem with the past 3 litters. I thought I had it under control. But, I have ruffled too many feathers about my operation and breeding in a parvo stricken state/area/county/etc to make it worth doing anymore. Just not worth the headache.

Hope that helps and sheds more light.

Tony

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my hands are full the way it is.

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Need some help???
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 08, 2012, 08:55 PM:
 
"On topic..Lol I could care less about Tony or anybody else, my hands are full the way it is."

I was reminded of this a month ago today, life is too short to worry about the little stuff.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 08, 2012, 09:35 PM:
 
Word.
 

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Posted by Chris S (Member # 3888) on December 08, 2012, 10:17 PM:
 
TT recorded himself blowing a Dan Thompson call like a reject using a tuba when he first started making calls. He purposely made it sound like shit so he could sell a few more howlers. He may call coyotes where he lives now, but he didn't call many in Iowa and he's an underhanded shitheel.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on December 09, 2012, 09:35 AM:
 
Don't know Tony, but I remember and looked up the original article by Len Bachus. The quote was 5000 coyotes, not 3000.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 09:46 AM:
 
Now that you mention it, I recall something about that number, myself. But didn't recall the origin? I know Len Bachus and he's not the type to exaggerate. Or generalize.

Without taking a stance, I am very sure that Tony is a World Class, (and shameless) self promoter. Or, is that a stance?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 09, 2012, 09:54 AM:
 
I agree with Cal, the number stated was 5000, not 3000.

Though, Tony did clarify later that he saw 5000 coyotes CALLED, and not necessarily killed.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 10:31 AM:
 
The number "called" is totally bogus.

I know places where I can "call" 20 coyotes on every stand, some of which are actually seen, some killed. I have "called and actually seen" 50 coyotes a night. That adds up pretty fast but it's meaningless. What counts is what you drag back to the truck.

I don't even understand why anybody would even bring it up, how many coyotes he "called"? I have ended a day and noted that we saw 3 coyotes, or 6 coyotes but I have never entered those numbers in a ledger and kept a running tally. I'd hate to contemplate the actual number, right now, but it's easily in the rather high thousands. And, it's caca.

Maybe he didn't actually say that? It's a rookie remark, if he did.

Good hunting. Lima Bravo
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 09, 2012, 10:34 AM:
 
Leonard, I don't think you are, Necessarily taking a "stance"..

I just think and you may agree, you have to sell your soul to be in that type of game. In other words the sponsers own you, you can't say this you can't say that. Ect..Ect..

Like I said before it's probably just easier to get a job and enjoy coyote hunting as a hobby.

If you're reading this Tony. JMO..
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 09, 2012, 10:54 AM:
 
When I made my original post, 5000 was the number that I recalled, but I checked with someone and they came up with the 3000....they were probably fans and just doing damage control.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 09, 2012, 11:13 AM:
 
He may have called 5000 coyotes in ten years, that's only 1.36 coyotes every day, it's doable.

The guy very possibly made an off the cuff exageration and it has haunted him ever since, I don't think anyone would make such a statement and be serious.

I have a honey hole where I repeatedly tell my wife that I've shot "ass loads" of coyotes and the reason why I never tell anyone else is because there will be "1000" people hunting in my spot. We all say things like that to make a point, I'm just glad someone isn't writing it down as factual.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 11:31 AM:
 
You mean like this:

FACT

JD has a honey hole where he has shot an assload of coyotes.

[ December 09, 2012, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 09, 2012, 12:04 PM:
 
AS I recall TT clarified that his counting system was different from everyone elses. If a coyote howled on a stand but did'nt come in it was still counted as a call in, at night he also counted the eyes as a call in and so on.. I think the time of the article was when he first moved to N.M. and comeing from the state of Iowa.. Iowa is not a rich state as far as coyote numbers go and the calling in his home area was pretty much like it is in southern Mn. and he would be dam lucky to see more than 100 coyotes a year, but then again perhaps he is counting the same ones over and over like Old hole huffer Kirby does.. TT would make a few trips every year to Texas or N.M. but not enough times to see that number of coyotes that was quoted in the article. No way...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 02:49 PM:
 
If that's really how he counts, the numbers are meaningless.

You know how many women I have "charmed" using that method? Must be in the millions?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 09, 2012, 04:55 PM:
 
Yep Leonard its all there in the P.M. archives from when I questioned TT about it..

Well we got our first snow of the season yeasterday with 2-4" and now we have a snowstorm going on with more snow comeing down and -6 temp.s..
Got the John deere 5020 with dual turbo's ready to go ( just for JD )with gun ports installed and dog box mounted up front and the road warriors are ready as well.. Just kidding..LOL
Was out all day yesterday takeing inventory of whats there and it appears we will have some good numbers this season.. Copper is inshape and ready to go as well.. The deer hunters are all done today so tomorrow willbe killing time boys and girls..LOL

[ December 09, 2012, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 09, 2012, 04:59 PM:
 
Oh yeah, back to the stitches thing... 56, in my chin and lower lip.
Motorcycle accident, back before full face helmets were the norm.

I was, at one point in my young adulthood, a semi-professional skateboarder.
Anyone who calls skateboard wheels "castors" has no business riding one.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 05:08 PM:
 
Krusty, I pondered that word for a couple minutes, figured it wasn't right. Now that I think about it, it's "trucks" ain't it? But, in my day, whippersnapper, which was before you were born, I was competent enough. I can do almost anything reasonably well.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on December 09, 2012, 05:11 PM:
 
I thought that they were called `trucks`, but that was a loooooong time ago.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 09, 2012, 05:30 PM:
 
The axles are called "trucks". The wheels are simply called...wait for it...... "wheels".
Mark
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 09, 2012, 05:35 PM:
 
Hey, a reservation near Porterville made the news. Apprehend anybody recently?

Good hunting. El Bee

PS you're sure, they are called wheels? No wonder I didn't think of it. Too obvious.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 09, 2012, 06:52 PM:
 
Really? Have not heard, but a lot of shit goes down on that res. Im about 5 miles from it. Probly some sort of drug bust?
Mark
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on December 09, 2012, 06:55 PM:
 
Nevermind, just saw it. Big shootout, geez.
Mark
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 09, 2012, 07:06 PM:
 
I hear ya Leonard... like you I can do most things reasonably well. White-water kayaking, and coyote hunting are about the only two things I can think of that I really struggled with.

Since I couldn't die trying, I kept after coyotes.

Krusty

P.S. I'll take "whippersnapper" as a compliment, thank you very much.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 09, 2012, 07:25 PM:
 

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You mean like this:

FACT

JD has a honey hole where he has shot an assload of coyotes.

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He may have called 5000 coyotes in ten years, that's only 1.36 coyotes every day, it's doable

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JD, what does 1.36 coyotes look like? That .36er must be one sorry lookin' sumbitch.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 09, 2012, 08:42 PM:
 
Hey Btech29. You blow a chunk of your face off yet.. LOL
You girls are a real hoot...
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on December 10, 2012, 06:19 PM:
 
Aside from the pointless TT bashing, I thought I would take a moment to comment on the parvo issue that seems to have set tim off. Abilene is the national headquarters of the racing greyhound industry. We have over 40 breeding kennels around Abilene and, amongst them all, there are over 4000 greyhound puppies whelped here annually. Each of those puppies hits the ground with an estimated value of $6-8,000. If the pup shows his breeding well in the first 16 months, that dog may auction here at the Spring or Fall meets for more than $100,000. My point is that parvo is a very real concern hereabouts. Managing a true outbreak is extremely difficult, despite the fact that we have about fifteen of the best canine vets in the country practicing here. Kennels here practice every precaution with their stock and still, there is the occasional eruption. Once it begins, all hell breaks loose. Kennels and dogs are quarantined, yet entire kennels with no sickness at the time of the outbreak will end up losing their entire year's pups. It moves so quickly that you can't possibly get ahead of it and vaccinations do not always provide the protection you expect.

Bottom line: As far as the parvo issue goes, if they're having a true parvovirus outbreak where Tony is, he may have been advised NOT to bring dogs into the area by people who know more about this issue than Tim Anderson.

Do you just look for shit to bitch about, Tim? Get a life, man. It makes you look small.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 10, 2012, 06:31 PM:
 
Yeah but dammit Lance, it keeps us out of the Honkey Tonks and watching porn which seems to be the only thing computers are used for, these days.

And besides that, I can't work up too much sympathy for Tony, regardless if he is innocent and doing the right thing, or otherwise.

Good hunting. El Bee

I can't believe I'm sticking up for TA!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 10, 2012, 06:47 PM:
 
Lance answer me this. Does parvo also affect coyotes and if it does why is there no shortage of coyotes in TT area.. Like I said there is more to the story than TT is letting on.. According to him none of his dogs are sick and he even had a healthy batch of pups not to long ago..... If I'm off base here then I'm off base, but I don't believe I am. Just a wild guess but I bet it has more to do with what he is doing with his dogs and coyotes and his training methods and someone high up has a pretty good grip on his balls...LOL
Also if his area is indeed infected with parvo it must have been around for sometime and perhaps he should of thought about it back then. Why wait till now all of a sudden to get out of it when he should'nt have started in the first place..
Oh and lets not forget all the guys who have bought pups from him that are supposed to be trained by him once they become of age.. Theys fuked....
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on December 10, 2012, 08:09 PM:
 
I didn't read anything said by Tony that indicated he was not going to live up to his obligations to buyers. Where do you dig that conclusion up from? If you don't like the guy, that is your business, but cutting him up on a forum is a bit lame IMO.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 10, 2012, 08:12 PM:
 
So TT is living your dream life and you can't stand it, right timmy, we get it.

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 10, 2012, 08:22 PM:
 
Here you go Al.

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Due to problems of trying to get the parvo virus under control, where I live, Predator University (me) will no longer be breeding or training decoy dogs. I am just going to enjoy and hunt my personal dogs.

Thought yall should know.

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The demand for decoy dogs, nationwide, is huge. I get 2-3 phone calls a day for dogs. I believe we've only seen the beginning of it. I got wrapped up in trying to fill demand and it got out of hand. I have much, much, much bigger fish to fry in my life, than decoy dogs.

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I don't know Al you tell me....
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 10, 2012, 08:31 PM:
 
JD; I'm sure TT is a heck of a nice guy and a good caller its just he is full of so much shit like you, actually a azzload of shit.. Good day>>>>

Hey look at the bright side everyone will feel sorry for the guy and be jumping over each other just to book a hunt with him..

Oh by the way I am liveing my dream and have for more than 20 years, I can hunt as often as I want and when I want. Life is good.....
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 10, 2012, 09:27 PM:
 
LOL....Its not the message, its the messanger. I have to agree with Tom, there are much more relevant things in life. That said, I am getting old and cynical(if I had a yard and sidewalk I would be spraying kids with a hose). I never had much patience with bullshitters, and I'm getting worse as I get older. I have met TT, know ranchers that have encountered him in NM, as well as read some of his commentary on the www. Tony is a bullshitter! Period. He has a following, and many are mindless drones who lack the intelligence or energy to question anything he says. In my opinion, there is too much of that in every aspect of our lives these days. But hey, I believe in capitalism too, and if he can make a buck selling snake oil....get after it. Caveat emptor! Like Lb though, I find it hard to find much sympathy for the guy.

As far as the parvovirus goes, who knows. Parvo is, and always has been a serious situation for dog breeders. The virus itself is very similar to cross species strains, and is known to mutate quickly. Legit dog breeders can work with companies like pfizer and have specific vaccines made based on the titers found in their own kennel. Of course, this is done in conjunction with the usda for legitimate, liscensed breeders and kennel operators. TT's problem may lie somewhere along these lines. Oh well, the problem with craving all the notoriety and attention is, sometimes you get it!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 10, 2012, 09:48 PM:
 

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the problem with craving all the notoriety and attention is, sometimes you get it!

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Where's old Joel Hughes?

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Have your opinion, whatever it may be, and unless offering it offers something positive or constructive to the dialogue, it might best be kept to yourself.

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Especially if you're someone with no actual direct involvement or investment with the guy?

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Each of us has our own opinion about every single other player on this site and every place, but in the big scheme of things, beyond that opinion, do we have the right to trash another man because we simply disagree with something he has done? Especially if you're someone with no actual direct involvement or investment with the guy?

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The answer is no... But its alright if you do..Right????

People have questioned the way I call or hunt and I have responded with pic.s to show proof of my accomplishment and I've never claimed another mans kill, but yet I'm still trashed cause someone dose'nt get it or believes or they just want to be a ass. Its ok for anyone else to do it as long as its not me..Right??
Don't throw rocks at me and I'll return the favor..LOL
 

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on December 11, 2012, 05:53 PM:
 
So when did Tony throw rocks at you Tim? Because if he hasn't, then you've obviosuly thrown the first stone his way..
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 11, 2012, 05:59 PM:
 
Go waaay back and read my first post. Just posting the news and my opinion and I have'nt said anymore than what was said by others..

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Posted by TRnCO (Member # 690) on December 11, 2012, 06:27 PM:
 
oh yeah, why don't you go back and read your 2nd post in this thread. Ya dumbchit..
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on December 11, 2012, 06:56 PM:
 
Leonard, my question was rhetorical.

I just wanted to provide some food for thought.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on December 11, 2012, 10:03 PM:
 
timmy, believe it or not most of us believe that you are a dedicated hunter and fairly good at it, but you have an uncanny knack for trashing others in an effort to make yourself look good, you're patronizing and more often than not down right abrasive and insulting, thus the treatment that you recieve.

The difference between what I just did and what Lance spoke about is that I'm typing this directly to you and not about you behind your back and none of what I said was ASSUMED. You may claim that it's only my perception but I would reply that thousands share that perception of you.

As one of your best friends, I'm just trying to help.

On another note, I don't think the TT bashing has gone terribly downhill, seems like a few people have legitimate opinions, interesting though, it seems like every few years another coyote king paws his way to the top, I for the life of me can't figure out why. We all aspire to lofty places I suppose.
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on December 12, 2012, 09:16 AM:
 
Here's some food for thought.

If it were mentioned online that a breeder/trainer were feeding the dogs in his care raw coyote meat, would it be considered bashing to pass that info around to his potential clients?
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 12, 2012, 10:11 AM:
 
LB "I would encourage others/anybody to chime in with testimonials about either Tim Anderson or Tony Tebbe."

I've already said my piece, about Tony, and I harbor no ill will against him over call making methods.

Ya know Leonard, I spent a few hours last night, going way back through the forums, trying to find where the "tipping point" was with Tim and I... and I cannot for the life of me find when and where that was?

I mean at one point, he and I were the dorks that couldn't call a coyote in our home areas, to save our own asses.

But, we got along well enough then, to actually think enough of one another to offer each other gifts/tools (the traps and the call).
*Which both of us still have.

I'd like to say "I'm right, and Tim's wrong" but the truth of the matter is we're both a-holes, when it comes to this subject... as Confucius says "the truth of any matter rarely lies at one end or the other, but somewhere in the middle."

Here's the deal though, I have never said anything about Tim that's untrue, and can generally back up what I say to or about him.

Tim, on the other hand is a patented liar who has made many untrue claims about my character (and work ethic), along with his reneged offer to return the call (so that I might donate it to a good cause).
*If I could afford the $400, and more importantly if I could trust Tim not to just pocket the money and "change his mind" again ...I'd buy that fuckin thing back.

When I fuck up, I apologize and do whatever it takes to make it right. If I can't make it right, at least I've tried.

Tim owes me an apology, for the last round of lies he told about me, at the very least... but I won't hold my breath waiting for Tim to be "rehabilitated" (like I have been).

On the other hand, I do know how Tim must feel, to be a target and to feel "hated" the way he must, and that hurts.
He has my pity, but he also has my sympathy, I've been there.

I feel sorry for Tim, and wouldn't want to walk a single day in his shoes.

Krusty
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 12, 2012, 10:20 AM:
 
K'down,

If known to be true, I wouldn't consider it bashing to pass on info like that online.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 12, 2012, 11:00 AM:
 
It's no secret who feeds coyotes to his dogs. Some might consider it bashing, but I just think it's disgusting.

What's really disgusting is his dog shitting in your boot while you're sleeping. True story.

Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on December 12, 2012, 11:09 AM:
 
Lonny, if someone were inclined to do some reading, there's a thread on PM's Lions/Hounds forum titled: "who feeds there dog red meat"
At least two guys mentioned picking up pups that were fed coyote meat.

I don't know if Leonard would appreciate hosting a link back to there, but its easy enough to find & read for one's self...
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 12, 2012, 11:23 AM:
 
I don't care, Fred but like I said, that's kinda old news.

The guy that told me about an airdale shitting in his boot is Shaun Frame. That may be a good clue.

I also don't care about staying on subject but what are you driving at, Fred? What has this to do with anything we have been talking about. Not that I care, I'm just not getting the connection?

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 12, 2012, 11:28 AM:
 
Isn't this the land of the a-holes? No wait this is the land of the banned...

Truth is Krusty, we are mostly an opinionated bunch that don't play well with others, at least not on the net. But we've kind of migrated here with like minds and I enjoy the dialog.

I have been looking back too and remember the good ol days when we just shared tips and stories. Then money started changing hands and fame became more important to some than friends. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I was killing coyotes long before the Internet and will continue to do so. What I won't do is compromise my integrity to be "somebody" nor will I forget that the truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on December 12, 2012, 11:35 AM:
 

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I once heard a joke that this reminded of. The punch line was, "Well, good. It took me six months to teach him to do that." LOL
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on December 12, 2012, 11:51 AM:
 
Yeah Krusty I did try to get along with you and help if I could. Problem was you were'nt ready to do the same and perhaps never will. You made your snard remarks a while after I helped you out and that is what put you on the oppisite side of the fence....
Yeah I also said you could have your call back but only in jest to drag you on,(game on) I had no plans to return it and never will...

apology's carry very little weight with me but if you feel you need one or two I apologize, I apologize.
While I'm at it my apologies to any of the other members that feel they need one,(except Criner) and one to you also Joel H....
 

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Posted by YuckItUpRed (Member # 4256) on December 12, 2012, 11:57 AM:
 
Bought a few calls from Tebbe when I started out in this game. They were all given away except one, a little cow horn call that sits in my pack. Only reason I haven't given it away is because it was aweful expensive for what it is. He must have been really proud of it. Not a bad sounding call but not my style. He seems like a decent enough guy based on my very limited experience with him. I'm full of limited experience. Charging people to hunt isn't my thing but to each their own. I enjoy taking new guys out just to see the look on their faces when they almost get run over. But again, to each their own. He's started a little pissing match with a few of my buds that he most likely will not win but I just sit back and eat my popcorn while enjoying the show. Overnight success? I couldn't tell ya since I've not been in the sport long enough to know all the "history" but the guy puts down dogs and he seems to make his customers happy. I guess my only "beef" with the guy is that he does intentionally gut shoot dogs just to get footage of his dogs shredding it. I'm a kill 'em quick kind of guy. If your're even twitching I'm still shooting. Sometimes that leads to expensive dogs but it helps me sleep at night. I'm sick enough and don't feel the need to add making animals suffer any longer than need be to my list of issues. I'm sure TT will keep doing his thing and enjoying his career no matter what.
 

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 12, 2012, 11:57 AM:
 
Knockemdown,

No, it's actually not all that easy... those of us who've been banned from PM cannot use the search engine (*without being sneaky... I use someone else's profile).

Tom,

Yeah I realize that, to a large degree, this is "Misfit Island" but that doesn't excuse overstepping what boundaries we do have... integrity is important to me too.

I don't always enjoy the dialogue here, as I am often raked over the coals (sometimes deserved, and sometimes not), but I feel like this is my "home" just the same.

And yes I know all too well about losing friends, friends that wanted fame more than my friendship. I figure that's their loss.

I'd like to get back out, and try killing some more critters, but I don't have any guns here.

Krusty
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on December 12, 2012, 12:01 PM:
 
Leonard, according to that post @ PM, those dogs came from tony's predator university. I didn't know that feeding dogs coyote meat was such a common occurrence?

Krusty, I'm banned over there, too. Can still read whatever I want though...

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Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on December 12, 2012, 12:09 PM:
 
Hell this place is crawling with hound hunters (they even hunt deer with dogs!?!?)...

The neighbor told me he feeds dogs that aren't cutting it, or are too old to hunt any more, to the dogs that are cutting it.

You are what ya eat... so I guess I don't have a problem with canines being fed canines.

Knockemdown,

What a hassle, clicking through page after page, looking for some specific information. No thanks.

Haha I have a new 'puter, and a new ISP... I could sign ya up for a ghost membership!

Krusty
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on December 12, 2012, 12:09 PM:
 
Fred, I don't get over to pm any more. What is the point of the thread. I used to feed my hog dogs red meat. Mostly let them chew on a deer or hog carcus occasionally. The bones were good for their teeth. I had to be careful though, some serious wars would start if there were multiple dogs together. Personnally though, I prefered a consistant diet of a good dog food; it was easier on their digestive system. I do still on occasion feed my current dogs a little beaver meat if I have some, they love that stuff.

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it prolly wouldnt make alot of difference, but when my dog was so sick he was puking coyote meat and fur. he was just sick to the point that i thought he may die. cost me alot of money at the vet. with the way parvo was spreading out there, it was just a matter of time before he could of caught it. either from another dog or from eating a coyote.

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This is free advice, so take it for what it is worth.
If you are booking a hunt, or buying a dog, it is your responsability, to do your research. Make sure the seller is what you expect.Get the terms of the deal in writing, if the seller "squawks" that should be a "redflag", you are fixin to get hosed. All hunts, or dog deals should have a contract, containing what the seller is offering and what the buyer is expecting. If you don't have this, and you booked a hunt and find yourself out a few 100$, when the guide don't show up, you have no recourse.
You buy a "started dog, and he can't hunt up his own nuts, after you paid a pile of money. With nothing in writing you are "hosed".
When it comes to dogs, the best way, is to do all the research you can, then go and hunt over the dog.(The old saying," the only place to buy a dog is under the tree", is as true, or more true than ever") A video on the internet that shows a dog doing "whatever" ain't enough, if that ain't what you want a dog to do.Remember some guys best dog, to other guys ain't worth feeding. You have to make your own choice.
Also when it comes to dogs, a "heath certificate" is real common. most times the seller can arrange a "Vet". If the dog is heathy, the buyer pays, if not the seller "eats" the cost.
In most states there are laws for licensed guides(This also apllies to selling a dog known to be infected with a "contagious disease" if you use dogs as part of your guiding buss.)If a guide breaks the laws, they not only risk a fine but also a loss of license. This includes taking a deposit, and leaving a client at the local cafe.If you hire an unlicensed guide and get hosed, that is what ya get for trying to cut corners.
If you are reading this and think I am "getting after ya" ya got that right!!!! You know who you are, and the fact that you are selling infected dogs cross country, and booking hunts, and leaving your paid clients, you should be ashamed!!!
At least now all the guys know what to look for. You'll still screw a few, but it will be a lot less than in the past.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 14, 2012, 01:20 PM:
 
Catch a post on PM before it, "vanished"? Who visits PM? It's hard for me to believe that there are so many ignorant, uninformed people out there.

No, did not see it? I have to have a very compelling reason to look at that board. That has not happened in quite a while.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 14, 2012, 03:26 PM:
 
No, I didn't catch it, but I almost forget the place exists anymore.

Who wrote it and who was it directed towards?

It seems like some fair and decent advice for anyone thinking of buying a dog or going on a guided hunt. Nothing written worth flushing, but if it's still the same ol' PM, nothing surprises me.
 

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Posted by trapper2 (Member # 3651) on December 14, 2012, 03:55 PM:
 
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Posted by btech29 (Member # 4148) on December 14, 2012, 04:55 PM:
 
I seen it. Duane posted it in Houndsmen and then someone copied it and posted it in the Predator forum. They were both removed within 10 minutes of being posted.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 14, 2012, 06:28 PM:
 
I'm not sure why I care. But who the hell is Duane ? If memory serves correct from my PMS days, he might be a guy from the Burns Oregon area ?

Thats my favorite area in Oregon, just curious. Is he OK ?
 

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Posted by btech29 (Member # 4148) on December 14, 2012, 06:34 PM:
 
Yes Dave, thats him. Seems to be an alright guy to me.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on December 14, 2012, 07:02 PM:
 
Ok thanks Jeff.

I wasn't real sure, I might go over there on a sage rat shoot next spring. I think his property is in the area of where we might be, and could possibly bump into him ?
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on December 17, 2012, 07:53 AM:
 
LOL!
Well, a little birdy sent me Duane's quoted post from PM before it got pulled from over there.

Funny though, since that quoted post showed up here, redfrog decided to put that post back up on PM (as quoted text) in the same " raw meat thread referenced earlier.

Guess the little birdy that copy/pasted Duane's original post was just a little too quick for PM's damage control to put the kabosh on it. OOPS...

Here's the link, for you guys who can't search shit

Must say, I've been a little sideways with Duane about some crap on the board, but gained some respect for standing up & making a post like that. Would have been suicide if any member typed that...

Ryan, you've always had my respect!
You made an excellent point about forum members not being privvy to reading about the "bad & ugly", only the "good".

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2012, 08:53 AM:
 
Man, I feel dirty! There is a basic dishonesty in protecting buddies and sponsors by deleting posts because they pay money to run banner ads. Deleting everything negative? How does that help in the dissemination of truth?

Whores. In bed with sponsors, nothing has changed over there.

Good hunting. El Bee
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on December 17, 2012, 11:11 AM:
 
Seems the dollar is higher in value than what the economist say after all.

I hate to hear that.
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on December 17, 2012, 05:56 PM:
 
Same old crap at PM.

I guess if a guy wants to sell a piece-o-shit product of screw people out of their money in some fashion the best route would be to sign up as an advertiser and do as you will because nobody is gonna say a bad word about it. At least until management gets a hold of it and deletes anything negative.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on December 17, 2012, 06:33 PM:
 
Nothing has changed since I was there. I always had a problem with the ads, especially the policy of not allowing any other input from someone in the same business. In other words, if Foxpro was an advertiser, no other electronic call maker was welcome. I just didn't like it, a non profit chasing the money.

And, here we are ten years later and there will never be ads on Huntmasters and everybody can say whatever they want about anything, push their product, criticize another product, speak freely and never worry about loyalty to advertisers. It's been working, so far.

Of course, on the other hand, I don't have 40,000 members and rather than making "non profit" money, this Board costs me money. I'm not complaining, it's worth it, as far as I'm concerned.

Good hunting. Lima brav 0
 

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Over the last year several people have brung things to your attention about Mr. Tebbe

I assume they was swept under the rug.

Last night some people came out and told their story on a public thread , later that thread was deleted , along with another one today.

Why must the mods and admin keep hiding and protecting Mr. Tebbe?

Alot of guys have been banned from this forum for no reason other than someone got an itch for them and got them kicked off. Several are good friends are mine.

So please fill us in and answer some questions or at least make a statement.

I feel this board is no longer the the vision its founder dreamed of.
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By unknown I've set back and read for months now and bit my tongue, Tony. I have a few questions for you, many of which have come from people on this forum to me through private message because at one time I was listed as a pro staff member for you "predator university" and for some reason they thought I could answer their questions. So here goes. There was a time when I was the first one to jump up and defend you when someone called you out or questioned you. It was usually about your "breeding program," and I use the term loosely. I bought a dog from you and you advertised the dogs mother as a "finished decoy dog." I counted it up and I have hunt with you 15 different days. Not one time have I ever seen that dog when she was not chained to that tree in your back yard. Take her out and get some video and show me that she even has a clue what to do. I came to your defense when you bought that black greyhound cross you named Bullet. You came on here bragging about he was a "finished cow dog" at 8 months old. How can a dog be finished at anything at 8 months? And don't forget I know the guy you got him from and the dog was hardly a started cow dog. Then the other day you sold him to a guy in NY as a "finished decoy dog" and you say you have plenty of video of him????? I'd like to see it. Speaking of New York, a guy named Fred with the screen name "knockemdown" questioned you a lot. He made me mad but what I later realized was that "knockemdown" had you figured out and I was too stupid to see it. Duane Freilino is another guy that has you figured out too. You tried to make me and others believe Duane was jealous when all he was was informed. I also read the past few days where you said something along the lines of you had always been on the up and up with your dog business. I had a gentleman from IL contact me a few months after he picked up a dog you had trained for him for over 8 months. I'll assume he did this because I met him the night he took the dog home. This is the dog that ran to the truck when the kid shot the coyote. I do recall the kid was using a larger caliber and shot over the dog, but I also don't believe that one shot would make the dog gun shy. If that dog had been hunted you would have known it was gun shy. That guy had over $2,200 tied up in that dog and drove from IL to pick him up. You felt bad about the deal and also gave them an 8 month old pup that you claimed had training which was a bald face lie. Then I get contacted by another guy that bought and paid for a dog from you. You got the money in July, the guy calls in Nov asking about his dog and you tell him the dog needs a couple more weeks. He calls back and you tell him that dog isn't working out but you have a ridgeback cross that might work for him. He drives from AL to get the dog. Too bad he didn't know this was the same dog you told me and another OK guy on this post that you were going to shoot that dog because he wasn't worth feeding. You guys made a few blank stands and the guy shoots into a dead cow, the dog freaks out and runs to the truck. Some how the guy still took the dog. Then there's another guy that sent a dog to you for 4 months of training. He drives from OK to get his dog. He gets there Friday evening and you do your customary take em to the penned coyotes and watch the dog bark and bay the penned coyotes. You agree to meet 45 min before daylight the next morning and make a few stands so he can see his dog work. Time comes to meet, no Tony. An hour passes, no Tony. The guy calls and texts, no answer. 2 hours pass, the guy drives to your house and you won't come to the door. Guy gets his dog and drives home. I was at your house a total of 7 days last summer. Not one single time did we do anything with that guys dog or anyone elses. You were "training",and again I use the term loosely, 7 dogs at the time, yes SEVEN. You tell me how 1 guy can train 7 dogs and give a customer his money's worth? I've had several guys that hunted with you ask ME about you showing up an hour or more late. How do you sell a man a hunt and show up late? Back to the breeding program and all this culling you've done. You've been called out for breeding a dog one of your daughters friends brought home from the oilfield that had some catahoula in it. You wheeled and dealed for dogs that you knew nothing about and started breeding them. What kind of program is that? You tell everyone your red spotted catahoula female, Annie, is a finished decoy dog. She is a good trapline dog. She's gunshy!!!!! As far as killing a coyote........ I've never seen you dog kill a coyote that had any life in it, ever. You seem to get your kicks posting pics os a dog with blood on it. Why? A decoy dog does 90% plus of it's work before the shot is fired. You get guys out there that get a rise out of your dog running out on shaking a coyote after it's shot. Big deal. I'm not running your dog or any other mans dog down. I have seen video of your dog decoying. After all you do claim he is the most talked about decoy dog in the world. I have to agree with the guy that said he's the most talked about decoy dog in the world because you are the one doing the talking. It's pretty bad when the man you got your dog from tells you that he doesn't want you telling people where he came from. There were a lot of guys who I have a lot of respect for that told me about you and how you were. One guy in particular told me it was just a matter of time before you painted yourself into a corner and you did. Oh, before I forget. Another thing that really opened my eyes was after 7 days of hunting we never used your bunny in a bottle or predator instinct or that other garbage you ripped the new guys off with because, in your words, it wasn't worth carrying. I had read post from a guy in Iowa many years ago and another on from a guy tied to a group in TX you were associated with. They were right. You are sadly mistaken if you think any of those guys are jealous of you. What they are is smart enough to figure you out. It's a shame you have given so many guys a huge misconception of what a decoy dog does and doesn't do. I also see you have your "lurcher program." I picked up the tan greyhound female for you. The gentleman I got her from sold her to you as a dog that didn't have what it took to run coyotes. I took the time to write this because I hope it opens a few peoples eyes or maybe will even make some of the people you've upset post. I'm sure I'll think of more to say.
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By unknown That's a lot of information and I hope one day people will stop using this industry to screw people out of money.

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By unknown Finally the truth comes out about TT. I LOVE it!!! I have wanted to say ALOT of things on here about him & the way we was done with our dog, but I havent trying to be the "better person", I just didn't want to get banned from this sight. Our dog is a good dog, but it had nothing to do with the 4 months he spent at TT's house, he did nothing with our dog, but let him eat dead coyotes or hunch the cat. He was so sick when my husband picked him up, he puked all the way home (coyote hair) & was still sick 2 days later. We took him to the vet which was not cheap for all the med's & shots they gave him, on top of all the money we had spent going down to NM twice & what we paid for our so called "trainning". He was to coward to even take my husband on a hunt to "show" him how great our dog worked, which he told us everytime we called about him, yes that's right we had to call him to get a "progess report" on our dog. After waiting 3 hours for TT to show up for that morning hunt, my husband finally drove to TT's house & picked up his dog & headed home, after countless calls & text TT decides to call my husband after he posts on facebook that he just took "NUTS" to the vet, to coward to call so he took the easy way out & sent him a text. After that everyone that would ask TT about a dog or anything else on PU I would send a private message & tell them our story & not to waste their time or money, to go find someone that will not screw them over for a $. KARMA is not a pretty thing, & I think a few months ago TT got some of it! Sucks when someone "screws" you over HUH!!

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By unknown Here's your explanation...........he's a crook! This is so hard for me to "keep it clean" LOL

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By unknown if you only knew the conditions of his pens youd of seen.............yes he feeds coyote carcases to his pups i have seen him do it and so have others

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By unknown I made an agreement for my dog for training for 4 months. when i took it up there to drop it off we were to meet saturday at 5 a.m. and go hunt and then i leave at 12 p.m.. he meets me at the motel at 8 a.m. and says their alarm didn’t go off and took me to 3 or 4 stands. it was noon and i had to go.

i was told i would be recieving pictures, videos, and calls and texts every week or so with progress. in 4 months i got 3 pictures, a short 10 second video clip and a few calls and texts. my hands are tied because i want to confront him but he has my dog 11 hours away and dont want an "oh no your dog got ran over" story if i make him mad.

4 moths go by and he says he is ready and i make the drive to pick him up. i meet him friday before dark and visit and watch the dogs bay a coyote in the bay pen. he tells me about the ranch we are going to hunt in the morning to show me my dogs skills. i ask him how my dog hunts by himself and he tells me he has never taken him afield by himself, which is what is on his website as what the final month of training consists of. we are to meet at 5 a.m. at the motel.

5 rolls around and he’s not there. 530,545,630,645. i am calling and texting with no answer! by now it is 730 and i am fuming! i drive to his house to where i see the living conditions. his windows to his house are cracked because it is cool out. 30 dogs barking to high heaven and i am still calling with no answer. i knock on his front door for 2 or 3 minutes and still no answer.

i finally realize that he isn’t going to take me and show me my dog in the field. i catch my dog , load him up and drive 11 hours home.

i finally get a text 3 days later stating that he was just so tired he couldn’t get up, but assures me my dog is really good.

first 3 coyotes i call in, i sick him and he looks at me like he’s lost. coyote comes out and he sees them and doesn’t go to them. i had him going to them before i took him up there!!

so i started back at step one and now have him working well.

the one thing that really got me was that when i was at his house i noticed that every pen and tree that had a dog tied to it had a skinned coyote carcass under it which is what he fed them. needless to say i thought my dog was going to die before i got home.

luckily he didn’t and didn’t vet check for parvo, but was really sick from eating coyote for so long. that bill was very expensive.

all in all, I am out around $2,000 for the training and the costs of the trips out there and back 2 times.

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By unknown from the beginning when i showed tony how to trap coyotes let him use MY equipment while i was away( when i returned they were still in the ground unchecked sitting to rust in the sun) and till he got a dozen traps of his own and then i filmed most of the instruction of his first dvd "so you want to be a predator caller" and i received a few 20 dallor bills as payment for my gas alone it wasnt a big deal then i shrugged it off as "hes a freind" I never got one percent from the sale of that dvd and then the big moment when his "sponsers" showed up and he decided to go in with them and film a tv show and they pay all the costs and some of my wages the deal was as the agreement in the motel room that he payed half then they payed half...they paid me he has not paid the 1100 he owes me I even gave him the bennifit of the doubt and asked for the sponsors contact info yet all i hear is "ill get the spomsers information to you soon" never has happend he needed a camera man and I didn’t think id get screwed I jumped in yes prolly my mistake I had seen the things he was doing with his “ training program” that I did not want to be associated with I had seen what happened when I received a dog from him it came down with parvo shortly ( its not a county problem either) it was a gift or just a way to make him feel better for all this free help I asked to be removed from his internet tv show for two reasons 1. I realy don’t want to be on tv anyway never did never will.2 he has not payed me or tried to get payment to me for filming the the tv show at the rate of 150 dallars a day l. Nor did I ever sighn a waiver allowing him to put my face on any type of video. And finaly im not willing to risk my job as a trapper with all the politics and recent events that might land me in trouble being on an internet tv show. If he cant understand why he is loseing friends after he had treated them the way he has that’s his problem I will never get payed obviously especialy trying to be nice about it to him or being quiet. That’s why it is on this public forum for everyone to see what happened between me and tony the things I taught him loaned him filming I did for him trapping and ideas on methads and ingridients to use in his “ calling scents that I thaught was going to be for him not to mention coyotes I caught for him to use in his program that he put on tv and took still shots of as advertisement for his guideing service.
I got a shovel a sick dog that I got over parvo a few 20 bills and if I remember right he gave me a little extra for a few coyotes I sold to him once. Most of the coyotes I caught for him he used In his “program” thaught I was helping a guy who wantd to learn to trap seems I was helping a guy who wanted free help.

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By unknown I guess my question is why is PM suporting someone like Tony Tebbe when there has been many report to them of selling puppies that were confirmed to have parvo over and over again by Vets and then these animal abuse cases surface of him feeding dogs coyote meat. This is what gives the good guys a bad name with the tree huggers.
And then all the cases that have been reported to PM Admin about him ripping people off. And then give Duane the boot because he stands by the guys getting ripped off.
Just doesnt make any sence to me.
Mike Granger could you please shed some light on this?

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By TT First off, Steve, I am so sorry that your thread about your dog has gotten totally trashed. My apology for others derailing.

I am out of the decoy dog business. If that's what y'all wanted, then it worked. I no longer breed or train dogs. It got way out of hand, I didn't have the facilities for it, the requests outweighed my available time, etc... I'm done with it, yet y'all feel it's necessary to continue to hammer me on it. I apologize for any past mistakes.

Scott, I never stated Bullet as a finished cow dog. I stated him as a started cow dog that took more interest in chasing and catching coyotes with his mother. I'm sure the original post is still on here. Your 5 days here, last summer, was training time for your dogs and get some decoy filming. 3 dogs on stand were plenty, no need for me to pull another dog into the mix. I never sold Bullet as a finished decoy dog, especially the other day. I gave him to the gentleman, months ago, as a replacement for the dog he bought as a puppy and had me train. That entire litter never turned out and all were half crazy. I have no idea what you are talking about my daughter's friend finding a dog in the oilfield that had catahoula in it and breeding it. That's the 2nd time I've heard it here and it's totally new to me. I can count on one hand the dogs that I've let Gunner breed. As far as carrying my scents on stand, I admitted that I'm lazy and carry little as possible to stand, including a butt seat.

Travis, personal dealing have no place on the internet! And you should have stopped right there! The rest of this paragraph was deleted by Mike Granger

John/April, I am sorry that Nutz chewed on a coyote carcass. I really am. I apologize for sleeping in that morning. I warned that I was just coming off of a 4 straight day/night hunt, when y'all chose that time to come down. I was physically drained.

Devin, PM doesn't continue to support me. They asked me to get out the the decoy dog business and I graciously agreed and did. I no longer breed dogs in this parvo invested state of NM.

As far as coyote carcasses, there are always a bunch of them around here during hunting season. My pups choose to chew on them any chance they can get.

Again, I apologize for any past dealings on dogs. I am out of the dog business with no plans to get back in it...ever. I have my personal dogs and enjoy hunting with them and watch them grow.

Sorry for adding to the derailment of your thread Steve.

Tony

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