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coyotehunter
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posted November 01, 2012 07:50 PM
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Leonard
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posted November 01, 2012 10:50 PM
I don't know if this guy works for WS or not, or if he is doing this on his own time if he is an employee?
I am far from a bunny hugger but I love animals. I don't like what he is doing, but I don't know if any laws are broken? Maybe an animal cruelty law, but I am aware of people that get off on these things. (JohhHenry comes to mind)
I would be interested in any updates.
Good hunting. El Bee
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CrossJ
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posted November 02, 2012 04:19 AM
I just see red x's
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coyotehunter
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posted November 02, 2012 07:40 AM
The thing that is interesting here is that people in the general public and the hunting community take this at face value. The pics were hacked off of a private facebook page, the pics or out of sequence and out of context. the dead coyote that the trapper is holding up was not even trapped and it was eaten by eagles. all the trapping pics are of coyotes on drags. You use dogs to track coyotes that are on drags, not to kill the coyote. The coyotes were shot with a rim fire pistol in the head to dispatch. If you notice the black dog has a correction collar on and this is used to stop the dog from biting the coyote. Young female that is just started on coyotes. You notice the older male dog is not even biting the coyote. The last thing you want is to have your dogs all bit up and running them to the vet every other day. The Anti's stole the pics and then added their own narative.
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Wily E
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posted November 02, 2012 10:31 AM
This is nothing more than textbook animal rights (A/R) sensationism and propoganda to generate revenue for their money making scandal. This is the same type of deceptive propoganda A/R organizations have used against virtually every animal use industry in existence from livestock confinement operations to hunting and trapping to rodeo. Same A/R song sung from a different location adnauseum.
What is also interesting is how out of touch with the times this is considering all the animal use reality shows now on Dish network. Just last night I wathed a man skin out a black bear. GAAAAASP, WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE???
Wildlife Services and their employees have been at the forefront of these A/R battles because some people do not like the idea that public funds are being used to protect private livestock from public wildlife. This livestock protection service has been in existence since the ban of toxicants and it is mandated by law whether these animal worshippers like it or not. This is not an attack on this individual, this is an attack on Wildlife Services and their activities in general, period. To provide a livestock protection service, WS employees use dogs and dogs bark at coyotes in traps. They do not rip them to shreds as stated.
This SUPPOSED animal cruelty is not unlike some A/R activist's neatly manicured poodle barking at the neighbor's cat that happened to get cornered after taking a dump in the flower bed.
Does anyone honestly expect credibility from a "we care more than you do" arrogant animal rights organization such as the Animal Welfare Institute?? Does anyone really believe they did the research to find out all the facts surrounding these photos? Give me a break. Stop and think how these organizations make their money.
This is not about animal cruelty, this is about over sensationalizing and misrepresenting animal use activities to generate revenue to fund the high end salaries of their administrators and unfortunately, it has worked for them. Animal Rights activism has become one of the largest money making scandals in the history of US and this post shows how they get it done. I can't believe anyone in the hunting fraternity would even pick up a piece of this poison pie let alone take a bite out of it.
Lets see just how many holes I can shoot in this without investigating past the pictures that have been presented. First, these photos have obviously been not only taken out of context but they are also taken out of sequence as Coyotehunter accurately points out.
Let's set the record straight ...
1. Dogs are used in predator control for decoying den related coyotes into gun range as well as finding coyotes on trap drags, M-44s, and or finding coyote dens. If Animal activists cared about animal cruelty as much as they claim, they would show pictures of what coyotes do to lambs and fawns before they speculate on what a trapline and/or decoy dog might do to a coyote in a trap. If they don't like a dog barking at a coyote in a trap, my advise would be to stay away from such activities and go on pretending that the lion lays down with the lamb.
2. Most trapline / decoy dogs will bark at a coyote in a trap just as the pictures show, they don't rip it to shreds as is stated by the A/R extremists. The last picture of a partial coyote in a trap was not even taken from the same location. So much for the credibility of these pictures huh? Just goes to show what happens when you have A/R activist from a concrete and asphalt jungle trying to evaluate what happens in the great outdoors but since when did they ever let the facts get in a way of a good story?
3. If this was taken during the prime fur season, how much value do you think the fur would have if the dog actually "ripped the coyote to shreds" as was stated by the A/R activist? How self defeating would that be?
4. A dog that was aggressive enough to actually kill a coyote in a trap would not make a good decoy dog because they would end up running most of the coyotes out of the country.
5. How did these photos get in the hands of the animal worshippers if they didn't steal them? Nobody willingly gives them photos because they always misrepresent them to further their cause. Does the end (generating revenue for their cause at the expense of an individual) justify their means (stealing photos and misrepresenting them)? Of course, it always has before.
I hope the WS administrators have enough backbone to back their employees in the face of these A/R activists trying to generate sensationism and revenue for their cause.
Trapline dogs bark at coyotes in traps. WHAT A REVELATION!
Scott Huber
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Leonard
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posted November 02, 2012 11:34 AM
Boy, does a little corrective input change the whole situation, or what?
But the original poster had me thinking he was involved, and I fell for it.
Now, why has he changed his link? I'm not sure it works now?
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: it works if you cut and paste everything but the URL in brackets.
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CrossJ
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posted November 02, 2012 11:59 AM
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This SUPPOSED animal cruelty is not unlike some A/R activist's neatly manicured poodle barking at the neighbor's cat that happened to get cornered after taking a dump in the flower bed.
LOL. Good to have you back around Scott!
Man, I wish I could see the pics.
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posted November 02, 2012 04:34 PM
The problem with taking pictures out of context is they can make up any kind of scenerio they want. An uneducated person (on trapping) will fall for it and you have a media frenzy. This is just another case of the A/R people doing what they do best- smack the bee hive real hard with a hammer and the bees will take care of the rest. The woman from that blog has stated that this is what she wants the most hits she has ever had- that should help advertising prices!!
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jbmartin
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posted November 02, 2012 06:48 PM
The pics were hacked off of a private facebook page.........
I didn't even click on the link as that is my own internet policy. If you don't trust the link, don't click on it.
Just one more reason that facebook should be avoided.
If you want to keep in touch with someone, they or you will have a way to do it other than that place.
I only have 4 networks and 50 users and it is a pain in my a**. I would hate to put a $ value to that time drain.
Sorry to sidetrack the discussion.
JBM
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coyotehunter
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posted November 02, 2012 06:55 PM
Thanks Scott, nice talk today.
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Leonard
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posted November 02, 2012 07:10 PM
I might be a dinosaur but I don't have a facebook account and never have. Nor do I "Twitter".
Will I, some day? I don't know, but believe it or not, 15 years ago I was so anti computer it was unbelievable; now look at me, every day!
Good hunting. Lima Brav 0
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TA17Rem
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posted November 02, 2012 07:43 PM
enter this in your search box ".demarcatedlandscapes"
When the site or page pops up just scroll down and you can see the pic.s of what they are talking about. ( Geordie thought you was a smart man) ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
Anyway its not a good deal and hope things work out for the better..
TT lets his decoy/kill dogs work over trapped coyotes and has a small coyote kill pen used for training which is legal in N.M...
I also heard he is on the watch list of the state distric attory office of N.M...
It turns out that the D.A. is also president of the human soc or some other group in N.M....LOL
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