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Aznative
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posted October 17, 2012 08:09 AM
something has to be done about cat thefts. I don't mean Morris the cat type of thefts but automotive catalytic (CAT) converter type of thefts. I had a customer drop her SUV off because it was very loud while I was off deer hunting with grandson. Well it took me 30 seconds to find the problem after I heard it and looked under it to find the right side gone. The driver side was still in place but they simply sawed the pipes in front and rear of the cat to remove it on the passenger side.
Next I did a little research on how much this thieves make off a cat and I found this site:
http://www.autocorebuyer.com/catalytic-converter-prices.html
Now look at the bottom of the left column and you will see that thieves are paid 7 bucks for after market cats while the original cat (OEM) go for an average of 80 bucks. These salvage prices are based upon the amount of rare earth metal content that can be recovered from the cat. The higher metal content is why cats from the dealer cost 10 times more than the aftermarket.
This particular SUV cat sells for $1,571.## from the Toyota dealer and it is for the right side only. There are some Fords that sell for 4 grand. The after market cats contain just enough metal to last only a few years usually and don't work at all on some models that have sophisticated cat monitoring. I'm so disgusted with the cat issue that I refuse to even get involved with there replacement. I will install an OEM if the customer is willing to pay the price. Other wise I refer them to a muffler shop with many warnings about the pitfalls of aftermarket cats.
This particular job is going to be paid by the customer's insurance company less a $250 deductible, but I'm afraid they will stick some cheap aftermarket on there since it is going to the insurance company's preferred shop.
What I wish we could change: first off allow the salvage yards to sell cats off wrecked vehicles. A quick blow with a rubber mallet will tell us if the brick has come loose. BTW: it is a federal law that requires a cat to be "rebuilt" before it can be sold to the public. I would like to know how that one got thru.
Secondly, I would like for a law that would require all sellers up and down the supply line to be required to charge a core charge. The cat would have to be returned in its original box for one to get credit. At the same time make it illegal for any one to pay for a cat outside this core system. In this way only those that purchase cats can get a refund off the cat. This is how Honda works it. They have a $100.00 core on the cats they sell. To me the solution is so simple but I'm not a big government type of guy and have misgivings about more laws.
Just needed to vent again
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2012 08:29 AM
All news to me?
That's easier than taking the wheels, I guess? Stealing a windshield might be the next big thing?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Aznative
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posted October 17, 2012 08:40 AM
Back in 2007 I received two calls on the same day from two different people both with stolen cats.
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2012 09:42 AM
This is bizarre!
Well, I have a case report, but I think my homeowners is $100 deductible.
About fifteen minutes ago, a knock at the door. Bird gets upset at stuff like that or I might not have noticed. I expected it might be the pool man, forgot his keys again, but no!
Upland Police! He started off making me think I had some code violation, or something; talked about sprinklers. It actually took a couple minutes for me to figure out what the hell he was talking about:
Some cocksucker stole all my sprinkler heads during the night! All brass.
I asked him how he knew and he said next door neighbor had phoned it in and he took it upon himself to check my place and sure enough, I'm ripped off!
OUTRAGEOUS! He asked if I had cameras and I said no, had thought about it from time to time but the neighborhood is so quiet, it didn't seem necessary. He agreed, yeah, it's always quiet around here, nice neighborhood, and all.
So, one more thing before I can go hunting.
Dammit!
Good hunting. Lima Bravo
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Leonard
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posted October 17, 2012 12:23 PM
While I was out there counting, I noticed my neighbor with a hacksaw out in the yard. We don't talk but I could see what he was doing, and a lot quicker about it than I, I might add.
Sixteen sprinkler heads, for the brass, What little twits! Probably from a nice Liberal family, too? Cop said; do not replace with brass! No shit!
Good hunting. LB
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Kokopelli
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posted October 17, 2012 01:56 PM
I worked for a while at a local recycle lot in the non-ferrous area. You guys would not believe the (apparently) stolen material we saw.
We had a contractor who had pulled wire all week getting a job site ready to hang outlets the following Monday. Monday morning the wire was gone. That was one pissed contractor that showed up looking for his wire. It's bad enough that here in Az. it's illegal to buy burnt or stripped copper wire unless the seller has a contractors license. (Bare wire grades higher and is harder to trace)
Brass sprinkler heads; yeah, I've seen a few of those. El Bee, sleep well tonight knowing that the sale of your sprinklers probably bought meth to help speed the demise of some dirtbag obama supporter.
Cats got to the point that the owner of the lot had to ok the purchase.
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Aznative
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posted October 17, 2012 03:45 PM
Back at the school district where I retired from, each campus had a maintenance supervisor who is in charge of all of the maintenance and equipment at each of the large high schools. The job pays about 60k per year. There was a remodel going on at one of our schools and the contractor keep losing his copper. The maintenance supervisor at this campus, I mean this POS, and his POS son were caught on the contractors covertly installed cameras ripping him off. He lost his job and was prosecuted by the contractor.
We've actually got calls that the football field lights wouldn't turn on for a night game which means the campus hosting the event automatically loses if they don't get them working in a certain amount of time. We would send out an electrician to only find out no wires were running to the lights. You don't wanna know how much it costs to run new wires for a football field.
How to stop copper pipe and wire thieves is one problem because these items are so generic, but cats are solvable IMHO.
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Cdog911
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posted October 17, 2012 05:38 PM
Scrap yards just need to start requiring photo identification with every transaction, and burning a copy of the idea and taking the seller's picture to be saved with the file. Won't stop all of them, but it'll give LE more information to begin their investigation. Make fines and such for this very high, including for purchasing scrap metals without gathering proper documents.
Leonard, replace those heads with new ones and hook them to a fence charger. You'll know when they grab them to unscrew them.
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posted October 17, 2012 05:57 PM
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Scrap yards just need to start requiring photo identification with every transaction, and burning a copy of the idea and taking the seller's picture to be saved with the file. Won't stop all of them, but it'll give LE more information to begin their investigation.
Heck, I wonder how we hunters/shooters would feel if every time we wanted to purchase ammo. we were required to do the above,....in the name of crime fighting?
Gotta be a better way..
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Kokopelli
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posted October 17, 2012 08:13 PM
CDude;
We did all of that, plus had video cameras recording everything............like people ripping us off at night and bringing the material back the next day to sell back to us.
People in need of their `meds` don't always think in the long term.
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posted October 18, 2012 06:23 AM
Back here now, photo ID is required to sell scrap metal. And damn straight, you'll be on camera when you're selling it...
We don't handle metal anymore at our place (cept our own), but I've got all kinds of wacked stories about crackers trying to scrap stolen shit. From aluminum ladders to gutter pipes, to front screen doors off the house around the corner, to conduit from LIRR (railroad) power stations. If you can dream it up, someone's already tried it ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
One guy that worked on a garbage truck back in the day only had one arm. But that mofo could load a truck like gorilla! He lost his other arm trying to cut a feed wire to the 3rd rail of a LIRR track Didn't time it right, so he got a 600 VOLT bZzZzZzzZzzzz that frizzled his harm like a cippolini onion...
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Kokopelli
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posted October 18, 2012 08:10 AM
Oh yeah,............and then there's the railroad. We didn't get conduit but plenty of iron showed up. Rails, connecting plates & spikes. Had two guys bring in the most neatly stacked tandem axle trailer you could ever see loaded with right around 5,000 pounds of railroad iron.
Minor problem.......railroad iron ALWAYS belongs to the railroad. Period. They weren't real happy when I told them we couldn't touch the stuff.
> And lest someone get the idea that everybody we dealt with was a dirtbag.........No. The owner tried to run a fair business and we had a number of honest, hard-working scrappers who brought us legally obtained material. It's just that a cash on the barrel-head business is going to attract some fringe elements.
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Leonard
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posted October 18, 2012 10:11 AM
I am wondering what the hell a "cippolini onion..." looks like? Or, tastes like? A regional thing?
Start spreading the news....New York, New York, I'm leaving today.
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted October 18, 2012 01:02 PM
Fred, here's a visual including trains and high volatages. If that guy only lost his arm, he was lucky. The guy in this link,....not so lucky!
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc0_1243424473
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Kokopelli
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posted October 18, 2012 08:39 PM
Darwin Awards for everybody!!! ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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posted October 19, 2012 05:09 AM
TR, that didn't end well!
Wonder if that guy said "hey, hold my beer and watch this.........."
Leonard, frizzled cippolinis, as garnish for beef in photo (not my pic, but ya get the idea)
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4949shooter
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posted October 20, 2012 03:56 PM
As I sit here hungry waiting for dinner, I say that beef with onions looks pretty good..
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Paul Melching
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posted October 21, 2012 04:46 AM
It looks great but doesnt cover much if the plate
Must be from one of those foo foo places.
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Kokopelli
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posted October 21, 2012 08:14 AM
That was my thought too, Paul.
I like those out of the way diners where an order of biscuits & gravy will feed a family of four. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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Paul Melching
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posted October 21, 2012 09:45 AM
Or a chicken fried steak that will double as a lean -to
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Leonard
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posted October 21, 2012 11:43 AM
We have an establishment not far away that only serves breakfast, and closes at noon. It's called the Red Hill Cafe and a short stack overlaps the plate, it would be a hungry boy to eat all of it. The omelets are 7 egg, also a daunting chore. Don't be late, I have walked in there at ten past noon and been turned away.
However, I do not think the government has anything to do with it? Also, the owner knows every celebrity in Hollywood, past and present, judging by the photos on the walls? Yeah, kind of "retro" but go ahead and buy the tee shirt, too.
Good hunting. El Bee
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knockemdown
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posted October 22, 2012 06:50 AM
yep, that's kind of a dainty portion. Believe me, frizzled cippolinis are just as good garnished on a slab sized porterhouse or bone in ribeye...
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Leonard
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posted October 22, 2012 09:50 AM
To me, Ruth's Chris has the best New York steak in town. OMG! Delicious! It's a good thing there isn't one closer than Pasadena or I would be broke ....more often.
Good hunting. El Bee
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