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Leonard
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posted July 20, 2012 08:43 AM
What in the hell provokes a young man to shoot up a crowded theater, killing at least 14 and sending50 to the hospital?
Could a CCW permite have prevented some of the carnage, or was this theater a gun free zone where it was against the law to carry a weapon?
I don't know, but like the Tucson incident and others, I just have to wonder about the society in which these things can occur? I know, in my generation, shit like this was unknown.
Will this reignite the gun control efforts? Eventually, some Bloomberg type will want to protect us by disarming us. Whatever.
But how can we identify the degenerate individuals that are capable of such brutality? There has to be a way. Maybe? Probably not?
Good hunting. El Bee
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posted July 20, 2012 10:22 AM
I understand what you are saying Leonard. The world has been steadily growing crazier for quite some time now. From what I have picked up from Fox news, it sounds like the shooter may well be an employee or former employee of the theater. He certainly knew his way around inside the theater mighty well. Will the act help the anti gun movement? Yes it will.
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Leonard
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posted July 20, 2012 10:45 AM
Does this asshole deserve a fair trial? I am vengeful. I would sooner handcuff him and twist a wire coat hanger around his chicken neck, (not too tight) and let him bang around in a padded room for 20/30 minutes. A lethal injection ten years from now does not seem like justice, but that's just me.
Good hunting. El Bee
edit: HOLD THE PHONE! OBAMA IS RIGHT ON IT, HE WILL HOLD A MEETING THIS MORNING!
edit: WE ARE SAVED!
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Aznative
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posted July 20, 2012 11:20 AM
Great BO has come to save us. FanFuckingTastic.
Rep. Pete King (NY), who is usually on our side, has already said how did the individual get his hands on "such a large cache of weapons?" WTF: four guns is a large cache of weapons!!!!! Most of us must be a bunch of crazies then. Get real Pete
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CrossJ
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posted July 20, 2012 11:25 AM
http://www.politico.com/blogs/media/2012/07/aurora-abc-draws-possible-tea-party-connection-129568.html
Hope this link works. ABC's Brian Ross made allogations the shooter was a member of the Co. tea party. ALL media outlets make me sick at this point. As far as your question Lb, I don't think we are breeding anymore degenerates than we ever have, I just think we have better media coverage of it. That fact, plus the fact that there is no shortage of people/groups willing to take advatage of tragedies.
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Leonard
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posted July 20, 2012 12:41 PM
Boy! If that don't just take the cake! Now, that link includes an apology, it's a different person with the same name.
But, this knee jerk journalism fries my ass. They might as well said: The same Jim Holmes that recently landed from Mars. TV news is pathetic. I can't rate them as worst and second and third worst, but ABC, CBS and NBC are in a virtual tie for worst misuse of the public airwaves.
Good hunting. LB
PS, has Obama gotten to the bottom of this, yet? edit: I heard he; "was saddened" so that is going to help, a lot.
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Leonard
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posted July 20, 2012 01:35 PM
In the meantime, they should give this guy to Jerry Sandusky, before his trial. I think Sandusky should get the clothes hanger treatment. I hear it cures pedophilia?
Good hunting. Lima Bravo
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posted July 20, 2012 02:01 PM
Yeah Lb, there was an apology but, the msm was wanting so badly to tie this incident to the conservatives. This has been a terrible tragedy. Unfortunatly, many are looking for ways to use this to forward their agendas while the other side goes on the immediate defensive.
On another note, it is being said now in some places that the shooter was a member of a militant version of OWS. Don't know if there is any truth to it, but I find it kinda ironoic.
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Kokopelli
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posted July 20, 2012 02:41 PM
Here's a thought;
Who's to say that the exact same thing wasn't about to happen in that coffee shop down in Fla. when it was stopped by a law abiding citizen with a gun???
The liberals can wring their hands all they want & sing Kum-bay-yah while drinking herbal tea but the fact remains that there are bad people in the world and the only way to deal with trash is to take it out.
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Cdog911
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posted July 20, 2012 05:23 PM
IMO, yes, and no.
I have a cousin who is a banker in Littleton and he lives about 2 blocks from Columbine High School. The day that all went down, they wouldn't let him go to his house. We were discussing that shortly afterwards and I told him that, IMO, we should prepare ourselves for more of that for several reasons.
1. The media glorifies this and in this day of sexting, sex videos, YouTube, and everyone thinking they entitled to their 15 minutes of fame because the media will carry the ball for them, this is the type of things these people turn to.
2. For the past several decades, the liberal education system has tried to engineer our children through the school system to believe that everyone is perfect and that no one is any better than anyone else. Everyone gets a trophy and all that crap. Up until about the time I was getting out of high school, kids were brought along to understand that not everyone is equally good at everything. Sometimes, you suck. Deal with it. You will fail. And when you do, either reorient yourself to take another jab at it or find something else to do or be and keep on trying until you find your niche. Nowadays, Li'l Johnny's parents don't want him to get a complex by letting on that he can't do shit for nothing. Trophies for just showing up.
Unfortunately, when you hit about 18 and start trying to find your way in the world, prospective employers don't give out trophies for effort and you either get good fast or you're fired. A LOT of these poor kids simply are not equipped to manage their own failures and turn things around. They lack the emotional and social tools to make that happen. Is it their fault? No. Is it our fault? Not entirely. Whose fault is it? The system, and unless you home school, you're ass deep in the problem.
In the Aurora case, word is this guy was an honors student who had recently transferred to CO for graduate school and was having a hard time not being the best that he could be. Maybe, lacking the tools of coping with his own mediocrity, he imploded. Who knows.
Bottom line, many of today's kids don't realize that the first day after high school, with diploma in hand, you need to put on your big boy underwear and deal with it.
Was this a gun issue? hell no. This was a whack job issue. Take the gun out of the picture and you still have a whack job.
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posted July 20, 2012 09:05 PM
Todays media is way more interested in reporting FIRST rather than right. Gee do ya'll think the media leans left???
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posted July 21, 2012 04:31 AM
"I know, in my generation, shit like this was unknown."
Cain slew Able, North vs. the South, injuns wiped out entire villages then we wiped them out, ain't slowed down yet....
And from your generation, what about the guy in the tower shooting at students? I could probably name a few more.
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Lonny
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posted July 21, 2012 06:51 AM
I was talking with a teacher (7th grade) who taught my son last school year and I asked her about how kids have changed over her 20-year career. Her response was while discipline problems have remained about the same, there is definetly a higher percentage of kids who are just plain weird.
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ARDave
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posted July 21, 2012 08:19 AM
Our right to bear arms could have saved the day, if someone was in the right place and had a gun on them. Sad deal.
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Aznative
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posted July 21, 2012 09:22 AM
That would have been a tough shot for a CCW holder to make. My personal carry weapon is a j frame smith with a 2.5" sight plain. It is really hard to carry big guns concealed. The guy had body armor. From what I've heard he also had a ballistic helmet, a bullet proof throat and groin protector. I didn't hear anything about leg protection so that only leaves a leg shot or a shot to the face. With a concealable weapon it would be a tough shot with only a face shot being the certain stopping point. Leg shots will kill if you hit the artery but the guy can still shoot and kill for quite a while while lying down and bleeding to death. The scary thing is in a dark theater you probably wouldn't know the guy had armor on but it wouldn't be a problem for him to take you out with the weapons he had. It would almost be as bad as showing up at a gun fight with a knife. I'm not saying one shouldn't try but to avoid having a really bad day, one would have to keep their cool and use their head which is very tough to do is such a situation. I doubt most individuals who have had advanced training could even really pull that one off.
As an added note, this a case in point where a CCW holder would need those teflon cop killer bullets, but we are not allowed to have those anymore since they are only good for killing cops.
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Leonard
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posted July 21, 2012 09:24 AM
Thanks, Tom. I was counting on you to completely miss the point. And, I had forgotten to flog myself this morning for the shabby way we treated the injuns.
Good hunting. El Bee
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TOM64
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posted July 21, 2012 11:32 AM
Just saying your generation wasn't no better than this one, we have been doing evil things since time began. It's time to quit making excuses and do something about it. What? I don't know, other than shoot back.
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posted July 21, 2012 11:33 AM
Oh and don't worry about the injuns, from where I sit, they got it pretty good.
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posted July 21, 2012 12:29 PM
Aznative, I agree, and who is to say that most ccw holders would not be caught up in the confusion and panic also. On the other side of that, they say the first rule of a gunfight is....bring a gun. Taking a few rounds into his armour may have changed his demeanor. Along with alot of answers, we will never know.
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posted July 21, 2012 01:03 PM
I can only imagine the fall out, and spin, if a CCW holder did shoot at this INSECT, and accidentally wounded or killed an innocent person.
He would be called a Vigilante, and then the anti's would be screaming about CCW's playing cop and such.
My CCW weapon is not really accurate at 25+ yards, and well I again can only imagine trying to kill this insect under all the stress, tear gas, and chaos going on.
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posted July 21, 2012 02:35 PM
All the body armor this scumbag had on and looks to have surrendered to police relatively easy, so he had no intentions of dying or getting hurt himself. I would think a CCW even a snub nosed .22short shooting in his direction would have ended his shooting spree and would have been running for his life.
Someone hell bent on killing you may need a spinal cord hit from the big bore, but in reality the run of the mill bandit/thief/shooter only has to be shot at to go into full retreat in 99% of the cases. People just tend to put their head down or take cover/run when being shot at no matter the caliber or accuracy.
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posted July 21, 2012 03:29 PM
Lance what you said concerning "education" and/or lack of it pretty much nails it.
For years now i try to ask my elders if this generation of adults is any different than past generations. One friend has said many,many times that society fell on its ass when drugs became as common as family picnics in america. He (Chet) is in his mid 70's, served in the military, a husband w/ same wife he started out with, father & grandfather.
I think we all agree that something major is wrong with society but, how do we fix it?
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posted July 21, 2012 05:42 PM
I can see it all now, one ccw pulls out his pistol and then another and yet another from another part of the theater and they all start banging away not sure of who is or is'nt the bad guy and then you got all the by-standers in the theater dodgeing bullets from all sides..
I can see a guy protecting himself at a 7-eleven but not in a crowd of people, no good would become of it and there would be a much higher body count than what there was..
Not all bad guys wear body armor or even a mask when on a shooting spree and some times there is more than one shooter and then you have to throw in the CCW guys which scares the hell out of me if I was also packing as I would shoot at any or all the the sob that had a gun as well.
It was pretty simple back in the old days to tell them apart, either you had white skin or red skin..LOL
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Leonard
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posted July 21, 2012 06:24 PM
I disagree, Tim. Better to shoot back than curl up in a ball with your hands covering your head.
And, here's the thing. BECAUSE he was all dressed up, he obviously was not fixing on dying and some returned fire might have got him to duck and run a lot sooner than he did. I also think, like the experts say, shoot for the head and his gas mask won't stop a bullet.
I have often wondered what I would do in those situations. You have to consider that pulling a gun and if one of the people just happened to be a cop, he would probably shoot you sooner than the ninja guy in the stairwell. So, that's the thanks you get for defending yourself but in spite of all the reasons not to, I am pretty sure I would try to return fire. What the hell am I carrying it for, and the one time I need it, I think twice and decide to dig a hole under the seats? Not this kid.
Good hunting. Lima Bravo
edit: agreed, Tom. From where I sit, the noble red man has it pretty good, these days.
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