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One member of the swat team came clean about the A D , the rest had lied under oath that it happened.

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Did the lying officers get charged/prosecuted?
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on June 17, 2012, 09:41 PM:
 
Not sure how that turned out but i will look it up. The shooter did get re tried in federal court . He was convicted and sent to the pen for life.
The trooper that was shot & killed was Rocky Eades (sp?). When the cop that came clean about the cover up died there was minimal coverage by Okla media & faded away rather fast. I think the other members of the swat team got off lightly because of the re trial of the "cop killer" overwhelmed the front page of the news papers.
I will dig up the names of those involved.
 

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Posted by Prune Picker (Member # 4107) on June 17, 2012, 10:27 PM:
 
Dan , i'm not sure how to attach the info but if you don't mind , google the following
www.odmp.org/officer/15294-trooper-david-w-rocky-eales
I miss spelled his name in prior posts (Eales).
using google again , okla trooper shot and killed ( Rocky Eales ). There has been so much mis printed info concerning the events of this case it will make one scratch their head in dis belief. The Amarillo Globe News has a entirely screwed up article available via google also.
Funny how not guilty can get changed to mis trial & life vs death sentence can flipflop in a short period of time. Least we forget how lying under oath can go away in a capital murder case.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 19, 2012, 02:36 PM:
 
Bad situation in the Trooper Eales case. I am glad the dirtbag was finally tried in Federal Court and sentenced to death.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 19, 2012, 04:28 PM:
 
49, What is this post about? I see nothing new here, what was "unsealed"? This is all the same stuff....kill a man then "accuse " him of being a turd.......did I miss something?
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 19, 2012, 07:44 PM:
 
This is new information for your reading pleasure, JD.

I'm surprised Jim didn't beat me to it.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 19, 2012, 08:32 PM:
 
I must not be paying attention......I see nothing new.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 20, 2012, 07:09 AM:
 
Cut and pasted second link above, which is (appears to be) new stuff?

http://www.tucsonnewsnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=18758000

Good hunting. Lima Bravo
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 20, 2012, 02:08 PM:
 
Thanks Leonard. The indictment of the family members listed there is new.
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on June 20, 2012, 10:12 PM:
 
I have given up trying to enlighten those who do not care to be enlightened.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 21, 2012, 10:22 AM:
 
Was the dead Marine indicted?

I'm tired of reading things that will still not change the fact that a no knock warrant was served and a citizen was killed defending his own home.

"to protect and serve"
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 21, 2012, 11:09 AM:
 
I am hopeful that the unsealed indictments and affidavits filed by the investigating officers will reveal that a thorough and comprehensive investigation was conducted before the no-knock warrant was executed.

It is admittedly suspicious that the various family members owned so many assets with no visible means of income, but that, in and of itself, is not illegal. Nor does it constitute probable cause, IMO.

I will give the benefit of the doubt to the LEO's in that the evidence will support their actions on the day Jose was killed. If, by chance, the only evidence to justify their actions was discovered as a result of that warrant execution, then the officers involved should be appropriately charged. In other words, let's say that all they were going on was a hunch that Jose was involved because his family members were known distributors and he had several cars that were worth more than he could afford on the income they knew he had, and the officers served that warrant to justify their gut feeling and Jose was killed, but they later found the evidence in the house needed to make the connection between Jose and the druggies, then someone - an LEO - needs to go to jail.

This would be a lot like my wife's case where they had no evidence to base an arrest upon, but did so anyway and are now scrambling to schmooze what little irrelevant evidence they have to serve and justify their actions.

They either had solid evidence prior to serving that warrant to support the search warrant or not, and if they didn't, then all charges filed against anyone as a result of discoveries made during that search warrant execution should be dismissed. It would be a damned tragic shame to see drug smugglers and dealers go free and a man killed - guilty or not - because someone in a uni jumped the gun.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 21, 2012, 12:54 PM:
 
There are the two extremes in play, in damned near every instance. Nobody wants to see the guilty go free; get away with anything. But, looking at it from the other side, an individual expects, nay demands that they be given every consideration and an presumption of innocence. When we have a pedophile abusing children, I have to suppress the impulse to apply a little street justice. If somebody says the robber leaving the 7-11 was wearing a red jacket and I happen to be in the wrong place with a red jacket, I would expect to be given the benefit of doubt, if that's all the evidence against me.

I keep going back to the two instances that I know, beyond any doubt, that I saw two different police officers LIE on a witness stand; not just a matter of opinion, but a deliberate distortion of fact. This does considerable to my attitude toward law enforcement, in general. First, my belief that many, (some) of these guys are in the job for the wrong reasons, they get off on the power trip. Second, a "trained observer" does not see events correctly and ordinary citizen observers see the same thing inaccurately. Cops, as far as I am concerned, exhibit the same range of attitudes and prejudices as everybody else and can make exactly the same mistakes. The problem is they have the guns and the inclination to use them, ie: "bunker mentality". And, they have the establishment behind them forgiving their mistakes and willing to enthusiastically hammer every "turd" arrested by the Boys in Blue because, (after all) if they weren't guilty, they wouldn't be there, now would they?

Yeah, I question authority. My duty.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 21, 2012, 05:06 PM:
 
Cdog good post. I would hope that since the warrant was signed by a judge there was solid probable cause for its issuance. At least there should have been.

Leonard you bring up some good points. Years ago when I worked out in western (rural) NJ we had a motor vehicle pursuit which left the highway. The turds eventually pulled over or crashed (I don't remember which) and fled on foot. Their description was of two black males, one of which was wearing a blue sweatshirt, if I remember right. Anyway, this dark skinned Asian Indian doctor who lived in the area decided to go running during that time while wearing a blue sweatshirt. I guess he picked a bad time to go running because one of my buddies mistook him to be one of the bad guys and proned him out at gunpoint. Later on we caught the turds. I walked in the station and thought it was odd to see the lieutenant talking to one of them. It turned out the doctor's description so closely matched the defendants' that I thought it was one of them talking to the LT. In actuality it was the doctor who had stopped in the station to complain about my buddy.

Oops.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 22, 2012, 05:26 PM:
 
None of this pertains to the Jose in question....all I see is more smoke and mirrors surrounding the real problem....they killed an innocent man.....where is the NEW evedince pertaining to THAT. Hell we all know there are bad people out there and we might be related to some of them......totally pointless.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 22, 2012, 05:52 PM:
 
I think they are floating the "Guilt By Association" defense? I agree, there has not been any information that points to a good reason for blowing this man away. It still looks like a severely botched search in tactical gear, no knock with a siren announcing their assembly in the driveway, bust down the front door, guns blazing and the homeowner shot 57 times. Did I cover the facts, so far? The justifications are murky, at best. I'm hoping somebody goes to jail for some kind of gross negligence?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by CCP (Member # 913) on June 24, 2012, 08:23 AM:
 
You guys need to put this low life in the correct perspective and you will be able to see what the police see.

This guy came back from Iraq and was only able to find a little above minimal wage job working at night. He then took gifts from his pot dealing family in exchange for putting 2 maybe 3 vehicles under his name and drove one. He was in a vehicle a year or so ago that was pulled over with a small bag of weed and some bubble wrap.

Now if this doesn’t deserve a NO knock warrant with the possibility of a shoot out than nothing will. He just appears to be a Bad, Bad American for sure..

If he would have not been stopped when he was he may have continued to accept gifts from his pot dealing family members and possibly paid off his house or went to school and got a better job. Thank God for the police intervening and putting an end to this destructive life style and saving all of us other Americans.

Maybe the police can put up a list of all the lives and money they saved us by getting rid of this guy?

For those that agree with what the police did, there are lots of books/articles about our founding fathers and their beliefs and intents “please read them.”

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I think they are floating the "Guilt By Association" defense?

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You guys need to put this low life in the correct perspective and you will be able to see what the police see.

This guy came back from Iraq and was only able to find a little above minimal wage job working at night. He then took gifts from his pot dealing family in exchange for putting 2 maybe 3 vehicles under his name and drove one. He was in a vehicle a year or so ago that was pulled over with a small bag of weed and some bubble wrap.

Now if this doesn’t deserve a NO knock warrant with the possibility of a shoot out than nothing will. He just appears to be a Bad, Bad American for sure..

If he would have not been stopped when he was he may have continued to accept gifts from his pot dealing family members and possibly paid off his house or went to school and got a better job. Thank God for the police intervening and putting an end to this destructive life style and saving all of us other Americans.

Maybe the police can put up a list of all the lives and money they saved us by getting rid of this guy?

For those that agree with what the police did, there are lots of books/articles about our founding fathers and their beliefs and intents “please read them.”

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Even CCP is now admitting the deceased is an accessory to the crime. Unfortunately for Guerena, he let himself get involved with the dirty dealings of his family, got himself and his residence targeted in the search warrant, and the rest is history.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 24, 2012, 05:56 PM:
 
Yeahhhh, but assuming he did associate with his relatives and therefore, (kinda) had it coming.

Compare whatever he did, (if anything) with a creep like Sandusky, looking at 442 years in prison. If anybody deserved a hair trigger response at 6 A.M. it would be this pedophile. I can't even think of the two people in the same context, and that's the deal. Whatever he did is nothing compared to this scumbag that got a fair trial and his day in court; which our deceased vet did not get. Not even close. And, that's the context in which I see this event. Total overreaction by law enforcement, a "oops" of automatic fire that just doesn't seem to match the suspected offense, by a mile. And, that's an understatement.

Good hunting. Lima Bravo
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 24, 2012, 06:17 PM:
 
Unfortunately Sandusky didn't point a weapon at the coppers. Not to worry though. The other inmates will take care of him.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 24, 2012, 07:35 PM:
 
I watched a piece on tv today, "Caught on camera" this one was a dash cam. A lady had a cat jump out of her arms and she pulled over, turned on her flashers, got out and went after the cat.

A cop plowed into the back of her parked, unoccupied car, with the flashers blinking. Now several more cops show up and one is on the "DUI task force" gets her in front of the camera and pins a DUI on her since she had a beer earlier and was nervous. He of course arrests her, puts her in the back seat, handcuffed.

But then he gets 4 other cops over there and tells them, he'd never lie but she was a drunk so no big deal, he makes up this story that she swerved into the other lane as the cat jumped out and slammed on her brakes so the officer didn't have time to stop. Dumbass forgot the dash cam was still on audio and all 5 were eventually fired, the "drunk" was cleared of all charges.

To protect and serve...

Oh and what was the reason that demanded the no knock search warrant by the ninja swat team?

(It's summer time, what else we gonna discuss?)
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 24, 2012, 08:04 PM:
 
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the man was killed in cold blood!!! 49 and a few others don't believe we have any rights, they don't believe that a man is innocent until PROVEN guilty. Since when does associating with your relatives make you a "low life" (I guess you wore out the word "turd") that deserves to be shot dead for doing what any man with a set of testicles SHOULD do....PROTECT your self and your family?

Sorry guys but this is the same old bullshit being sold to us to justify a cold blooded murder by cops.....same shit different day.....49 you coppers should be ashamed of this shit not defending it.....good luck out there bro.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 25, 2012, 02:21 PM:
 

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I watched a piece on tv today, "Caught on camera" this one was a dash cam. A lady had a cat jump out of her arms and she pulled over, turned on her flashers, got out and went after the cat.

A cop plowed into the back of her parked, unoccupied car, with the flashers blinking. Now several more cops show up and one is on the "DUI task force" gets her in front of the camera and pins a DUI on her since she had a beer earlier and was nervous. He of course arrests her, puts her in the back seat, handcuffed.

But then he gets 4 other cops over there and tells them, he'd never lie but she was a drunk so no big deal, he makes up this story that she swerved into the other lane as the cat jumped out and slammed on her brakes so the officer didn't have time to stop. Dumbass forgot the dash cam was still on audio and all 5 were eventually fired, the "drunk" was cleared of all charges.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 30, 2012, 09:33 AM:
 
I know a guy that has a white Escalade for sale, takes extremely good care of his vehicles, of which he has many. This is a 2004 with 70,000 miles not a blemish on it. The problem, (for me) is the wheels. I think they are 24"? anyway, they sure look ghetto, to me. He said he paid $4,000 for them? I looked it up on line and he wants $11,000 quite a bit less than book. I just laid down until the urge went away.

Good hunting. LB
 

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