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Kokopelli
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posted May 15, 2012 03:32 PM
As if I don't have enough on my plate right now with a new dog that's as smart as an anvil & twice as hard headed, I stopped at a yard sale this last week-end & scored on a really nice 80 gal. aquarium. Since I've been without a tank for too long & the price was too good to pass up, I bought it after much inspection.
Getting it set up & unpacking my pumps and filters and such. It's now 1/3 full of water & everything looks good, so far. Can't wait to have fish in it.
While filling the tank, I did get to wondering;
Why doesn't water burn???
Seriously......water = H2O. Hydrogen & Oxygen. Not the stuff to have around open flames. Water `should` burn like gasoline & acetone.
And yes, I know that gasoline doesn't burn, the vapor is what burns. Therefore, boiling water should not only burn, but quite possibly be explosive.
I'm confused; somebody want to 'splain this to me?? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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the bearhunter
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posted May 15, 2012 06:06 PM
your pitt's got the best (worse) of you already.
get out and shoot something ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Leonard
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posted May 15, 2012 06:39 PM
I'm unfamiliar with the technical term; "burn".
Good hunting. LB
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JD
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posted May 15, 2012 06:59 PM
It takes 3 things to have a fire
1 Fuel source
2 oxygen
3 heat
Eliminate any one of the three and there will be no fire. Water is not oxygen nor is it hydrogen and as a liquid it just so happens to work perfectly for cooling a fire out.
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Jrbhunter
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posted May 15, 2012 07:11 PM
The only reason water doesn't burn is... it's already burnt. When hydrogen reacts (burns) to oxygen the result is.... water.
Question of tomorrow: Which comes first, Ammonia or Nitrates
(Inside joke for aquarium enthusiasts)
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Cdog911
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posted May 16, 2012 04:59 AM
To clarify JRB's point, burning is technically a rapid form of oxidation.
To clarify JD's point, water puts out fire by absorbing heat faster than the oxidation process can produce it. I don't recall the specific numbers, but it takes "X" number of joules to absorb one British Thermal Unit (BTU) of heat which is defined as the amount of heat it takes to raise one pound of water one degree fahrenheit. For the sake of discussion, it takes 211 "X" to raise that pound of water from 0 degrees Fahrenheit to 211 degrees F, but in order to reach the magical 212 degree F from 211 degrees and convert that water to steam, water's gaseous state, it takes, like, 540X, which is why firefighters are trained to introduce just enough water to a fire to convert it to steam and not more than that thus allowing the steam to extinguish the fire because of the rapid absorption of heat energy during that liquid to solid conversion. Putting more water on a fire than what is converted to steam is unnecessary, wastes water, and causes water damage.
Wow, surprised that I could recall that. My brain hurts.
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Kokopelli
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posted May 16, 2012 08:23 AM
Ok.............
`To build a fire` (one of Jack London's best) we need;
Fuel...........Water has hydrogen.
Oxygen.........Water has that.
Heat...........
Obviously a Zippo lighter isn't going to be up to the job, however, would it be possible to introduce enough intense heat to break the water down into it's component parts & ignite it??
Ok, gotta go...........the dog wants a belly rub; must not anger the dog. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
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CrossJ
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posted May 16, 2012 01:21 PM
Don't let them fool you koko, they can burn water. The big oil companies have put a lid on the technology, and I'm pretty sure Kelly and his buddies at haliburton played a role!!!LOL
Seriously, if I remember correctly, the only way to break down the water molocule and utilize the hydrogen is by adding a carbon based compound(don't remember which one). Heat is required and co2 is a byproduct, other than that, I don't remember much from chemistry other than what my professor looked like in her bikini.....oh wait, I think that part was a dream. Hell I'm not sure it all wasn't a dream.
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JD
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posted May 16, 2012 04:10 PM
LOL...what a crew, Koko, if only it were so easy to separate elements.
Lance, I believe we both learned this stuff from the same book.
Next camping trip Ima try and build a fire by rubbing some water together....I'll keep you posted.
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Leonard
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posted May 16, 2012 04:10 PM
All of this under utilized brain stuff is awesomeness. Lance has doubled down on his jujubees with the Postal Service, and works for idiots. It don't get much better, or does it?
Then we have Geordie utilizing his impressive education to build trailer hitches? It's like the Black Mantra; The MAN is holding us whitey's down! Let's see, only different? All this talent wasted on the coyote drug, worse than cocaine.
What, no ornithologist openings on Craig's List?
Good hunting. El Bee
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Cdog911
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posted May 16, 2012 04:20 PM
I have one degree & part of another. Both fillt me full of a lot of worthless information. Sad thing is that even the chicks don't dig it.
I'm in the same boat as Geordie. May have the degree but the job I'm educated for doesn't pay for chit. My degree covers a hole on the wall.
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the bearhunter
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posted May 16, 2012 05:00 PM
can't wait for Tim to chime in on this one!
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Leonard
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posted May 16, 2012 06:13 PM
It's a good thing that "GLOBAL MODERATING" pays as well as it does.
Tim's major is in 17 caliber asphaltroad warrior, if I'm not mistaken?
Good hunting. LB
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JD
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posted May 16, 2012 06:32 PM
Everyone knows its much easier to start a fire in the western states than it is back east.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 16, 2012 07:14 PM
Can't tell you much about water other than humans need it to survive and fish love it enough to make there home in it. Carry on. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Oh! Leonard its heavey construction, which consists mostly of moveing dirt (top soil, varis clays and aggregates, some demo.) ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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knockemdown
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posted May 17, 2012 06:39 AM
Geordie, I think them H20 engines utilize an electical charge to first break apart the pair bonds of water , leaving H+ and O- particles to combust.
The dilemma is that there is more energy used by the batteries to break down & combust the h20 than what is available to "burn" after it's broken into hydrogen and oxygen ions. So, in essence, an electric car will put that electrical energy to better use by driving a motor directly...
Newton's Law of the Conservation of Energy cannot be broken, even by Haliburton
I'll go back to playing with garbage now...
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Kokopelli
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posted May 17, 2012 08:17 AM
I think that I'm going to just chalk this one up as proof that Gawd has a sense of humor, & go play with my attack dog.
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Leonard
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posted May 17, 2012 10:17 AM
Yeah, me too. Donna Marie, that is. This will never go 10 pages. (thank God)
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted May 17, 2012 03:33 PM
In my never ending quest to nudge things along, this from just today's news.
1) http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-05-17/dog-bite-insurance-claims/55037444/1
2) Two weeks ago, I had a little black dachshund nip the back of my calf. One of the owner's neighbors "saw the whole thing" and asked me to call it in because the dog had bitten several of them over the two weeks prior and was a general nuisance. That night, about 11:00, that little bastard ran out the door and sunk its teeth into a little girl across the street. Dog taken by police. Owner agreed to have it put down and got rid of her second dog which wasn't much better.
3) First "loop" on my route. About the second day I was on this route 9 months ago, I saw a big black german shepard in the front yard of one of the customer's homes. I stayed back and waited for them to take it back inside. After about ten days of this same delay, day after day, I finally caught up to the owner and explained to her my concerns. Same response, "Oh don't worry. He's all bark. Big pansy."
Yep, two nights ago, one of their neighbors was walking up the street from a visit with another of their neighbors and that dog attacked her, sending her to the hospital. Dog is in local vet clinic awaiting judge's ruling. If history is any indicator, he's dead dog walking. Owner is military.
There. That oughtta do it...
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Chris S
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posted May 17, 2012 05:21 PM
Don't believe the liberal propagandists, water absolutely burns. Your fingers burn on crack pipes too, ask JD.
I don't care what anyone says about dogs, they're ALL one synapse misfire away from gnawing off someones limbs.
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JD
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posted May 17, 2012 10:15 PM
Good thing tin foil doesn't burn or your hat would be on fire.
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Leonard
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posted May 17, 2012 11:22 PM
Put that tinfoil hat in the microwave and tell me it won't "burn".
Good hunting. LB
ATTEN CHRIS: Whoa boy! Remove hat before putting it in the microwave!
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Chris S
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posted May 18, 2012 07:08 AM
I've tried microwaving the hat while on my head but the door won't close properly; I'm working on modifications.
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JD
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posted May 18, 2012 08:47 AM
Good idea, bypass the safety switch on the door then you can nuke your lunch while it's sitting on the counter. Or warm up your head, whichever.
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Leonard
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posted May 18, 2012 09:18 AM
He's a pip, ain't he? That modification will take him all day. Wear safety glasses!
Good hunting. El Bee
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