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Cdog911
"There are some ideas so absurd only an intellectual could believe them."--George Orwell.
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posted March 09, 2012 08:37 PM
All the crap around here about bad cops and I've been dealing with a matter here that involves stupid cops. At least, they didn't just up and shoot my wife.
Long story less long, two cops tried to fore go the actual investigation phase and arrested my wife on trumped up charges with no evidence to support their actions. To them, they think it's a done deal and that we'll all go to court, the jury and judge will throw everything out and, like most people, the wife and I will run happily out the courthouse doors yelling "Whew! THAT was close!"
Wrong.
Their one stupid action is exploding in a lot of faces right now. One dr has already found himself the subject of a state investigation for professional misconduct. The same dr and a physician's assistant he supervises are now the subject of two counts of violating my wife's right under the HIPAA law, either of which carries a one year prison sentence and a $10k fine. And another dr will soon face a state investigation for abandonment. And THAT doesn't even address the two cops who took a report and without investigating anything, decided to arrest my wife on felony charges. The prosecutor immediately abandoned the felony charge and chose to go after a lesser misdemeanor charge but still having no evidence whatsoever. Once she is acquitted or the charge is dismissed, we already have counsel preparing a civil action against the Salina, KS Police Department and their two officer for unlawful arrest.
Fact is, before I back down from fighting this, the bastards are gonna have to shoot me.
[ March 09, 2012, 08:56 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
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posted March 09, 2012 08:59 PM
Thank God she didn't make any sudden movements!!
All joking aside, this is the EXACT stupidity that gets innocent people shot for no reason.
Keep us posted if you can, check with your lawyer bro, don't want anything to screw this up, I will shout outloud and cheer when you make them pay.
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Leonard
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posted March 09, 2012 09:56 PM
Was she in the joint long enough to get a tat?
Good luck, El Bee
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Cdog911
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posted March 10, 2012 12:50 PM
LOL, Nope. I tried to get her to write "love" across one set of knuckles and "hate" across the other before we got home. Our son was incredulous when I called him and told him we would be later getting home than we planned because his mama was in the big house. They stuck her in a holding cell where she sat on a steel bench in her red sweater, tan slacks and brown lether shoes. Three times during the day, as they cycled the trash du jour through the cage with her, one of the malcontents, either drunk or stoned, would get mouthy and start yelling, so the corrections officers would herd all of them - usually 6-8 women - into a small 6' by 6' unheated cell along the outer wall and leave them there until mouthy shut up. Then they'd be brought back into the holding artea and Lis would resume her comfy steel seat. The bondsmen came back up front after completing all the paperwork, sits down next to me and says, "I saw your wife back there. Didn't get to speak with her. She stands out from the rest,... in a June Cleaver sorta way. She's never been in jail before, has she?" I assured him she'd never even been to the jail before, even as a visitor when he looked at me and said, "I do this all day, every day, and when I watched her back there, I have to say,.... something's really messed up here." I said, "No shit?"
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Leonard
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posted March 10, 2012 01:42 PM
Well, I think it's beyond time for the Abilene Bonny and Clyde to declare in no uncertain terms: The Coppers Will Never Take Us Alive! Can you post her booking photo? lol
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted March 10, 2012 03:56 PM
You laugh, but the Salina, KS newspaper has this little habit of publishing the local hooskow's daily activity and we had several friends contact us because they did see her booking pic on the paper's website. Of course, they have a very small print disclaimer to readers to remember that everyone on there is innocent until proven guilty. Yeah, sure. It has been suggested to us that when we sue them, should we nwin, we reuqest that part of the award be that the Salina PD and the Journal split the cost of a minimum half-page public apology. I'm liking that idea. I relish the idea of putting the SPD on the defendant's side of the courtroom.
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Leonard
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posted March 10, 2012 04:03 PM
I am sorry, and apologize for making light of your travails, Lance. Damn, that would be a good reason to sue the damned paper. Sounds like an invasion of privacy?
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted March 10, 2012 06:17 PM
No apology necessary. A month ago, I was furious. At this point, more chips are falling our way than theirs so I don't get too mad about it now. I guess our son's challenges prepared us form this.
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JD
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posted March 10, 2012 06:49 PM
Be sure to post up the public apology here when it happens, this stuff is maddening to me, why couldn't these idiots just wait a few days and(God forbid) do some detective work BEFORE they make an arrest? What's the worst that could happen? What if she had actually forged the script.....OH MY GAWD!!!! CALL S.W.A.T.!!!! ........seriously, who stinkin cares about something so trivial, do some detective work and if it's needed make an arrest in a few days, this thing would be so easy to avoid.
My problem is that if LE can't control their giddiness to arrest someone enough to make a good decision on something so absolutely ridiculous and unimportant as forging a script......how are they gonna handle a serious situation? I think we know the answer to that.
Go for it Lance and good luck to you!!
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Leonard
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posted March 10, 2012 07:46 PM
JD. Where did you get "forged a script" out of the foregoing? I saw nothing about what she was charged with? Is there back channel communique' type stuff going on? You guys using the PM feature, or what?
Good hunting. El Bye
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Okanagan
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posted March 10, 2012 10:58 PM
Lance, I wish more of us would stand up when authorities abuse their power. Good for you. But there is a toll on you.
Another factor that may or may not be happening, is that when you get smallish town authorities mad at you, they persecute you for the rest of the time you live there.
I.e. My nephew got the local cops mad at him when he was a teenager. One cop ticketed him for riding a motor bike on off road trails without a license, and that cop seemed to have it in for the kid from then on. Knowing my nephew, he probably lipped off at the cop. Cops hassled him off and on for several years. He was no model young man, just a typical kid who hadn't grown up, worked odd jobs and likely smoked pot once in awhile. Finally the cops charged him and another young man for making and selling meth.
The evidence was totally bogus or non-existant, and the most serious pieces could be proven false with a few minutes of checking facts. After a couple of interviews and questioning times, the cops phoned saying they wanted to talk with nephew again and he agreed to come right down to the station. They showed up at his house, and after promising my sister they would not do so, they all strolled outside casually, then spread eagled handcuffed the kid on the lawn purely for the humiliaton factor in front of neighbors.
The first trial suppressed all pertinent evidence and found both kids guilty. My nephew left the state. The other kid appealed and won within minutes. The appeals judge threw out the case immediately and reamed out the local cops and proscecutor for such a bogus charade.
Meanwhile, my nephew lives in a distant state with a warrant for his arrest still open. I have no idea how he manages drivers license etc. but he has held good jobs and is doing well. I have advised him never to return to his home state. I think the local cops and judge are pleased with their work and the result. If my nephew got the warrant removed and returned, my guess is that the local cops would start after him again.
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Leonard
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posted March 11, 2012 12:44 AM
That story just proves to me that there are some people that do not deserve the authority and police powers given them. It's all too prevalent and disgusts me greatly.
Oh Man! that reminds me, I still have (you know who) looking to kick my ass. Mano y mano. Gulp!
Good hunting. El Beeņo,
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Cdog911
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posted March 11, 2012 09:24 AM
Leonard,
JD may have seen the first version of the post that started this thread where I cited the charges - forgery and attempted prescription fraud. I edited that to not be so long. Fact is, the prosecutor immediately dropped the forgery charge but is pursuing the fraud charge. Now, think of that for a second. They want to say that my wife tried to illegally acquire prescription only drugs but they have no means by which that was attempted. Had they kept the forgery on the table, that would have been their means. had they proven the forgery charge first, they could have easily proven that she forged the script to attempt to acquire the drugs. One would think you go for the forgery first then the fraud as icing on the cake. I'm hoping that the jury asks the question, "Ok, if she did this, how?" for which the state will have nothing. I have a copy of the script in question and the writing on it isn't my wife's. In fact, it looks just like the PA's writing elsewhere on the same sheet of paper. The newspapers all published that she was arrested for illegally attempting to acquire two prescriptions that night. The pharmacy tech stated under oath, which is documented not once but twice in the police report, that she told her she had two prescriptions to fill, but that she also noted three meds on the script. She left the pharmacy that night with two meds dispensed, both of which were legitimate and not in question. I have since sent our attorney the receipt for those two meds along with the literature for each med that came with them complete with the date, the med, and my wife's name on them and a request to advise the county attorney that yes, their witness is spot on, we agree wholeheartedly, and here is the proof they need to show that fact. Still, where's the violation?
Okanagan,
I agree and empathize with your story. Once I stopped writing checks to cover fines and court costs and the local cops realized I wasn't an open revenue source for them, they began leaving my son alone. The lesson there is two fold. Make the kid face his own music and cover his own idiocy, and don't create a situation where the city or county thinks you'll just drop coin into the coffer or they'll bleed you dry. On Friday, D's birthday, I jokingly started a rumor that at least three officers with the local PD were being let go, seeings how our son was now of legal age, they were no longer needed to maintain the roadblocks and dragnets searching for him.
On another note - anytime you get a prescription, I encourage you to 1) if an option, have the dr fax or call the rx in rather than walking out the door with a paper script. I've been in contact with the drug task force commander over this and he said that this is exactly why they're pushing for paperless prescriptions, and 2) Never, ever allow a dr to put more than one medication on a single rx sheet. This PA put 3, but only admits to 2. Because more than one is not unusual, many pharmacies wont' really check things out and drug scammers will often try to add an additional drug to a script when there is 2 or more on it already knowing it won't draw attention.
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Leonard
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posted March 11, 2012 10:50 AM
Around here, should there be a question, they pick up the phone and ask the Dr's help for what is being ordered. Oh Boy! When I get my Morphine, they write it on a purple pad and they all call it "triplicate" whatever that means? But, they take endless precautions and it is never quick and never easy. It cannot be ordered on line, it cannot be phoned in and it is never subject to refill, always a new Rx must be written. The reason is (I think?) is the doctors do not like to be audited, for some reason? Anyway, I play their game, but it would be very easy to tell them, (the whole apparatus) to stick it where the sun don't shine.
Good hunting. LB
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JD
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posted March 11, 2012 11:33 AM
Yep, I saw the original post Lance, hope it all goes well for you.
I've stated many times that I have close friends in LE and one that used to work for the DEA, They aren't automatically bad because they are cops but due to the liberal beaurocracy that they belong too along with the draconian training they recieve it seems that more than a few end up being nut jobs......my DEA friend is a perfect example, I like him now that he's out but he was an absolute walking disaster zone to anyone that got in his way as a cop. Now he likes to coyote hunt and avoid any kind of trouble....go figure.
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Cdog911
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posted March 11, 2012 11:43 AM
The reason is because a lot of drs have lost their prescribing privileges for getting patients hooked on narcotics and they are scared to death of making a mistake. My brother was in charge of heading up many, many of those investigations before he moved on from drug task force work. The fear is so prevalent that many patients with legitimate pain issues are left to suffer.
As Reagan once said, facts are stubborn things and at this point, all the facts point away from my wife and squarely at the PA. A simple mistake, blown well out of proportion, inflicting harm on innocent sideline bystanders. And as JD pointed out, had cooler heads prevailed and the senior officer of the two who tried to arrest her done his job as the trainer and applied a little bit of brakes to the progression of things, everything would have gone differently when he chose to put fresh eyes on the so-called "evidence". Instead, they got all worked up and saw brownie points before them, made an arrest on probable cause when no such cause existed and screwed up. Now, because of all this, at least two doctors, a PA, a medical practice, their department, the prosecutor's office, their county corrections people, and themselves are going to be answering to someone for how these decisions were made and why to state, local and federal officials and, if I have my way, the public via the media.
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posted March 11, 2012 12:07 PM
One of the side effects, in my case, is that of all the cautions on the medication, to not suddenly stop taking it. I assume withdrawal? I went through a bit of that when I broke my ribs, I guess because THAT specific type was not time released? Whatever, I like mellow, and seldom take the prescribed dosage. Half is usually sufficient.
All of which, I can easily understand why Russ Limbaugh would need to take measures to get what he needed to ease the pain.And, being high profile, (like Mrs Lance) I can see why the control and the profile fit and those good scouts well earned their merit badge.
Thanks for staying on top of things for me, JD! That info would have been lost had you not been so diligent.
Good hunting. LB
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Cdog911
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posted March 11, 2012 04:57 PM
You are correct that a good physician will closely monitor those drugs you are taking and, often times, narcotics are prescribed knowing that the patient will, over time, develop an acceptable amount of dependency, and the physician will plan forward to include weaning as part of the treatment strategy.
In our case, they were so stingy with pain meds for a condition they did not know the cause of that my wife was left to suffer so much pain for most of four months that she was, at times, bedridden and vomiting due to the pain itself. Our dr at the time would give her a bare minimum and then withhold pain management for days at a time, and on occasion, as much as a week, citing side effects as his concern. Then, out of the blue, he loads her up on a non-narcotic that we later were told by a pharmacist she should never have been taking with another med she takes daily. On top of that, when she saw the PA the night all this stuff supposedly happened, he upped her does on that med by half again and she discovered later than night that what he told her to take was well over the maximum dosage for it. SO, at this point, she's up to her eyeballs on several meds that, as you point out, simply cannot be stopped when our dr gets word of these trumped up charges and fires our entire family as patients, stating that we are no longer able to seek any medical care from them or any of their affiliated clinics. He did this when she had no ability to get refills to wean herself off any of those drugs and without giving her any chance to secure continuity of care. In short, he totally abandoned her care at a point when he had put her in a position when doing so posed a very serious medical threat to her. Thus, we are filing charges of abandonment against him with the state governing body for doctors, the penalty for which is revocation of his license to practice.
I don't go half way on this chit. All or none. Like I said, a simple mistake by two officers has exploded in the faces of a bunch of people.
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posted March 13, 2012 10:08 AM
Wow, good luck to you, Lance! That is some scary stuff...guess the new way of LE is to assume guilt until you prove innocence!
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Cdog911
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posted March 13, 2012 01:56 PM
Only in Salina, Tim. "Presumed innocence" is a foreign term there. The front page of the Journal today has a story on a murder trial in Salina where the defendant's lawyer is our attorney. As cold as it sounded to say it, he submitted a statement to the court yesterday on his client's behalf for the jury and the family of the victim to remember that the victim got drunk and started the fight that led to his death. I do like a lawyer that goes straight to the heart of the matter.
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Kokopelli
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posted March 13, 2012 02:29 PM
CDude;
Sorry to hear about this latest round of problems. I hope that everything works out for you & your family.
In all sincerity, have you considered that maybe Kansas just ain't right for you & your's?? There are many really nice towns out this way, to the west of you. Some small, and some not so small. Climate's good & lots of public land. Maybe a fresh start for the whole family would be something to discuss after dinner, out on the patio.
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Cdog911
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posted March 13, 2012 02:49 PM
Koko,
I once read where if we were all required to pile our problems on our front yards, most of us would move our pile back inside after seeing what everyone else is dealing with. Everyone has their problems and I and my family are no exceptions. I offered this example only to illustrate that there is a wide range of abuses by LEO's and not just those which hit the headlines. I know of at least three public officials who either lost their jobs or were slapped down significantly because of how they chose to conduct themselves and who were called to the mat by myself and others who choose not to stand idly by. I firmly believe that it is my moral obligation to take an active role in how we are governed, be it locally, statewide, or at the federal level. To everyone here's credit, actively participating on this very forum against the like of Scott Huber, Leonard, Cal and others has taught me better how to develop my position and engage adversaries at the appropriate time from that position of strength.
The lesson of this that I have taught my kids, and my wife, is that people treat you exactly as you allow them to do and if they choose to treat you with disrespect, you hold them accountable. Last week, I read the book "Courageous" and bought the movie, too. One of many lessons from that incredible movie is at the end when the main character states loudly before the congregation of his church, "Who will protect and provide for my wife and kids? I will!"
I have a Gadsden flag hanging in front of my house for a reason.
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