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sak81
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posted February 27, 2012 02:02 PM
Been doing some reading lately, an it seems like there are guys out there who are putting up some crazy numbers. 2 3 even 400 plus coyotes. So how long does it take to put up numbers like this? Is it a full time deal, or can a guy do it on weekends an holidays alone? With all the factors that go into coyote hunting...weather, hunting pressure, etc. It seems like 400 called coyotes would be impossible.
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Rich
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posted February 27, 2012 02:46 PM
Well sir, 400 was the best that I heard this year, but that was total of 3 hunters that were using the best electronic caller in the world, and they were also using the best sounds in the world. They did it in South Dakota I think?
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2012 04:44 PM
I don't know any full time professionals, except a few that hang out on this Board. But, over the years, I have been acquainted with a hell of a lot of dedicated amateurs and I never heard of anybody killing much over 100 animals. Few and far between.
Now, Mercer Lawing, on the other hand has been known to kill 99 bobcats in a season, plus assorted grays and coyotes. Less than half are called, but that is still impressive.
You have to be in a good area, too. My buddy up in Saskatchewan, Albert Pilling has killed over a hundred a season before, have not heard how he is doing this year, but he uses a WT, so that explains some of it. lol
edit: you need to take into consideration the kind of work some people do where they have the whole winter off. I'm thinking cement contractors and farmers and Tim Anderson, whatever he does?
[ February 27, 2012, 04:48 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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the bearhunter
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posted February 27, 2012 05:14 PM
#'s really don't mean shit when you think about it. some guys have alot of time off and live in good country where they can be hunting 5 minutes from their door. land acsess is also a huge part of it. 300-400 coyotes is immpossible for some to believe but if you have the time and...
i have lots of time in the winter off but i have to travel quite aways to get into good #'s. i'm sure Tim's in the same boat. anywhoo, hats off to the fellows with 400. wish it were me
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TA17Rem
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posted February 27, 2012 06:01 PM
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the numbers in Western North Dakota are as good right now are crazy. We have 10 years worth of data from the trounaments and also from talking with fur buyers. I have hunted coyotes in 9 western states, texas and arizona for instance. I have done as well in western North Dakota as I have done anywere if not better. I have been all over Arizona and used to go as many as 3 times a year. they have lots of coyotes all through out that state but they have nothing over eastern Montana and western North Dakota.
A little tidbit from another site. enough said...
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CrossJ
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posted February 27, 2012 06:03 PM
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#'s really don't mean shit when you think about it
I would have to disagree. How many callers in their same area only killed a fraction of those numbers. Being in areas of high population densities doesn't guarantee high number kills.
Cal, Randy and I were talking today, and wondered if the mild winter allowed them physical access to ground that was normally inaccessable this time of year?
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the bearhunter
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posted February 27, 2012 06:06 PM
crossj. i guess what i meant was there are lots of factors that come into play with the #'s game. if a guy goes out 5 times a year and kills 25 coyotes, he's in the same leaque as the guy that goes out 25 times and kills 125.
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posted February 27, 2012 06:10 PM
Jealousy comes out in the numbers deal pretty regularly. It kind of makes me laugh when guys say they could have done it too, if they only had the time, or lived closer, or whatever. Very few, including myself, could ever begin to do what the Hydes have done this winter. I'm too damn old and lazy personally, but I can still pat someone else on the back and admit that it was a hell of an accomplishment for anyone.
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posted February 27, 2012 06:16 PM
CJ, according to the Hydes themselves, the weather this year actually allowed a lot more competition access than usual. These guys will strap on snowshoes and get to a lot of uncalled country that no one else will even try on a bad year. So in a way they prefer that I think. This year they had to deal with other callers non stop.
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jwelk
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posted February 27, 2012 08:03 PM
What would you guys consider respectable numbers
from your area from the average caller?
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sak81
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posted February 27, 2012 08:30 PM
If your talking called animals, 30-40 I would say would be a good avg. 70+ would be a great year. A few trappers in the area are in the 100-140 range. I can't imagine being able to go out an avg. 6-8 coyotes every time I hit the field. Calling that is. I hear guys beat their chest about how much TIME an HARD WORK they put into calling. Guess I don't wanna work that hard while trying to relax an have a good time.
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Cdog911
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posted February 27, 2012 08:40 PM
Today was the last day of our "season". My partner and I have both decided that this was the last day in February we could both get out together and we simply do not hunt after February unless we get a landowner requesting us to do so. Beginning at about noon today, the coyotes around here have a "bye" from us to do their thing, raise new targets for next year yada, yada, ad nauseum. Having said that, this is my last coyote for the '11-'12 season, taken this morning around 10:15 and she is number 63 for us as a team.
I got 30, Kevin got 27 and another gunner of mine, Mark, accounted for the remaining 6 as he is only available to hunt with us every few weeks. These 63 coyotes represent our take hunting every Sunday, weather permitting, and one day off a week, usually by myself. Because of ongoing knee problems left over from surgery a year ago, I was only good for about half-days this year before I was gimping along too much to enjoy the experience, and I can appreciate the amount of work anyone would do to pile up 200, let alone 400 coyotes. To show the spread, we had one day we killed 6 between 7 and 11 am, I had a couple 4 coyote mornings on my own, and a handful of two dog days. The rest were singles, and that results in a lot of busted stands and days when we got home without heating a barrel. As has been so often pointed out, calling is a numbers game. My only interest in my numbers is how they stack up against last year's hunting the same area. We beat last year's by two coyotes so we're happy with that. Kevin, like me, is a big K-State fan and I told him that we hunt coyotes like Coach Bill Snyder plays football... we don't expect to win the national championship. Just get better than we were (last year) yesterday.
To the original question, from talking to guys around here, anywhere from 15-40 would account for 90+% of guys hunting in Kansas.
As this "season" comes to a close, I hope everyone here had an enjoyable year, and remained safe throughout.
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Leonard
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posted February 27, 2012 09:29 PM
Until about ten years ago, when my son and I stopped the competitive hunts, we were killing about a hundred a year on eight hunts over an eight month, highly structured season.
I have no idea how many I kill these days? This year hasn't been very good, I will tell you that much, but I quit counting a long time ago. You really get burned out on the numbers after a while. I never thought I would feel this way about it. But, a contest changes your thinking real fast.
Good hunting. LB
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Kelly Jackson
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posted February 28, 2012 07:46 AM
To kill a 100 you got to stay after it. To kill 200 well I don't know, but would like to give it a try if I ever get to retire.
3 guys that know what they are doing and working a good area, calling and killing 400 would be very doable.
Congrats to them guys. I know you worked hard for it.
Stay after them
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DiYi
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posted February 28, 2012 09:37 AM
To kill 40 in NE SoDak calling is a feat.I know 2 guys.To kill over 50 here is a real feat.I know one guy who can occ do it.If I could only hunt here,i'd consider shuffleboard.(Ne,not north central or NW.)
To me,killing a 100 or more is a feat anywhere and tells me quite a bit about the person and his skills and dedication.
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sak81
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posted February 28, 2012 11:12 AM
To me,killing a 100 or more is a feat anywhere and tells me quite a bit about the person and his skills and dedication.
I guess that's why I have such a hard time understanding these kinds of numbers. The Hydes have been mentioned a couple times, an I have no doubt they are legit. Don't appear like they need to toot their horns on what they have been able to do.
I do however have to question guys who talk about hunting in 50 mph winds, using 26 different sounds to get a coyote to commit, or probably the best one is where this guy had multiple coyotes coming in. The story goes something like, he ran over to get a shot on one of the coyotes, an as he turned around 1 or 2 coyotes were sniffing the deer skin gloves he had left behind. Really???
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TundraWookie
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posted February 28, 2012 11:16 AM
Are the Hyde guys a couple of young guys with the energy and stamina to go full throttle all day long, or just wise, efficient old guys?
Anybody who calls and kills 100 coyotes in Alaska would be a super star in my book. Anybody who just calls 100 coyotes would be phenomenal up here. I've never heard of more than 30 called/killed in a season with 18 being my best coyote season so far. I'd rather shoot fox and lynx any day, but I surely won't pass on a coyote when they present themselves.
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posted February 28, 2012 11:52 AM
sak81, I know of whom you speak. With that said whether Mitch and Marty killed over 300 coyotes is not really important to me. I have hunted with Mitch and I do know he puts in way more time than I do, and I'm hard core. He's young, has plenty of time off, and lives in prime country. He and I hunt some of the same properties or adjoining areas at the least. As hard as his story about the coyote smelling his glove might be to believe, I really don't think he made that up. Crazier things have happened.
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Kokopelli
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posted February 28, 2012 01:07 PM
Question; Are we talking about called & killed or called, killed & skinned???
Time spent properly handling fur in the field takes away from availble hunting time. All the more impressive if these guys are collecting fur.
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posted February 28, 2012 01:32 PM
You know KoKo I never really paid attention to whether Mitch has been specific about called in and killed vs called in. Because if it's just called in I'm easily over the 100 mark.
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TA17Rem
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posted February 28, 2012 02:08 PM
Mitch and Marty are good hunters and they have a good coyote population so anything is possable...
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posted February 28, 2012 03:18 PM
Kokomo, get this, not only did Hydes put up the 400 plus that they shot, but another 150 or so snared and on top of that Tory bought quite a bit of fur. Bringing the grand total to 1200 plus coyotes skinned and put up. I don't think they sleep much. I've been in the fur shed and know all this to be true.
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posted February 28, 2012 03:21 PM
I don't know which is more insane. Putting up numbers like the Hyde's or the fact that I think I just agreed with TA17Rem on something. Having a hard time getting my mind around either. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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UTcaller
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posted February 28, 2012 04:25 PM
Calling and killing 100 coyotes if you LIVE in a high coyote population area and have ACCESS to those areas and have the TIME to call those areas wouldn't be to tough to do. But 300-400 coyotes thats a different story all together.That's just plain crazy.Kudo's to the Heid Brothers for there accomplishment.
When it gets tough is like bearhunter said,you have to put alot of miles on and can only hunt the area for a few days before you have to head back home.
That's why we usually plan those road trips at a time when we feel we can get the highest number of coyotes as possible.(early fur season)
Good Hunting Chad
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posted February 28, 2012 05:26 PM
Calling and killing 300-400 coyotes over a season is just freaking amazing. What is that, around 60-70 average per month?
I wouldn't have the time, money, or energy to do that, if I could.
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