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J_hun
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posted December 30, 2011 06:04 PM
This has been on my mind for some time. Just curious , how many rounds of ammo do you load for coyote hunting at one time? Do you load for the whole season, or do you load just a couple boxes at a time. I have gotten into the habit of just loading a couple boxes at a time. If I load a whole bunch at once , by the time I am done shooting all the extra, my throat erosion on my barrel has changed quite a bit. I mainly shoot .243 with velocity about 3500fps.,maybe just under that. I found the sweet spot to be about .020 off lands. I try to maintain that distance,but as I shoot more and more my .020 gets harder to maintain and than I go up to the next grain bullet. I started out with 70gr. ballistic tips and now I am up to 80grain and can still maintain the .020. I did find a sweet spot again at about .125 but ran out of bullet. I imagine that is somthing I just have to contend with. Now, if I take the gun to a gunsmith and have them cut out the throat erosion,will I be gaining anything, or would I just be better off buying a new barrel? Just wondering how you guys deal with throat erosion. This Rem 700 shot great out of the box and I never have done anything to it to improve accuracy.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2011 06:22 PM
Jerry: Most of my rifles like the .30 out from the lands and thats what I try to maintain, also some of my guns don't seem to mind if the bullet has to jump a little farther.. If accuracy does fall off to a point that I need to make a change then I'll make it, but if its still working I don't mess with it..
As far as throat wear goes and re-cutting the chamber to salvage the barrel can be a hit or miss..
First problem is the worn throat, this is the area were the pilot bushing on the reamer sits. A gunsmith may have a bushing size that will fit snug or may not in this area.. If its not a perfect fit the reamer will bounce around some not giveing you a straight chamber.. A smith can rechamber it for you but there is no guarantee its going to shoot as good as it did before and if it don't your out of a few dollars..
What I do is either replace the barrel or just trade it in on a new rifle...
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J_hun
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posted December 30, 2011 06:38 PM
Your probably right Tim. I had a friend that had the gun smith cut about an inch out and it never shot like it did before. Kinda what I thought but just threw this out to see. Thanks
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Leonard
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posted December 30, 2011 06:43 PM
I would not have a gunsmith punch that factory barrel whenever you are not happy with the performance. Get a new premium barrel at that point.
Good hunting. LB
edit: yeah, you need to take at least an inch off that chamber, and it can change the harmonics. I would not put any gunsmith labor into that factory barrel. Use it, run the wheels off it, and then discard it.
[ December 30, 2011, 06:46 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
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TA17Rem
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posted December 30, 2011 06:49 PM
By the way Jerry how you doing???
I missed you on the last trip out.. Like to get you out into the hills one of these days before I get to old.. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
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J_hun
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posted December 31, 2011 09:48 AM
I guess I am all healed up now. It has been a long haul this year. Hope the new year brings better luck.
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DAA
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posted January 01, 2012 08:40 AM
I load one box (of 50) at a time for my coyote ammo.
Whether cutting off some breech and rechambering is worth it depends on a lot of things. Just how bad the throat really is. How much major diamater you have left to work with. How much it will cost. How well the barrel shot to begin with. How many more rounds you think you can get out of it by setting it back.
In general though, most barrels, especially factory tubes, unless you are doing the work yourself, it's probably not worth the cost.
My .243AI, the barrel blank was ordered with an extra long cylindrical section at the back, to accomodate being set back when needed. It has enough straight shank to cut all the threads off and completely rechamber at some point. It's about at that point, too. So I am actually thinking about having this one set back soon.
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J_hun
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posted January 01, 2012 09:01 AM
Thanks for the information. Right now I still have some life left in the gun. I am shooting 80gr. ballistic and she shoots like a dream. I have got her dialed in up to 500yds. Took a milk jug out yesterday and dialed in 500yds. First time I ever shot milk jugs and it was fun watching it explode. I think I have about 1000 rds. through it. Never really kept track.
I once had a rem. 700 bld and a guy said he was using a compressed load of 51 grains of H-380. I worked a 55gr. nosler up to that load. Shot like a dream but I could tell it woulded last long. It didn't last long only one season. Now I load around 3300 and I am happy with that. I am using 41grains of Varget.
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Leonard
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posted January 01, 2012 10:20 AM
I just had a weird thought. I am constantly filling hummingbird feeders and I use red food dye.
I was wondering how those gallon jugs would look if you added a half a dozen drops of red color to each of them?
Good hunting. LB
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JD
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posted January 01, 2012 12:42 PM
I like reading these threads, I'm always amazed at how much some of you guys know about this stuff. I would never feel comfortable adding anything to a reloading thread unless it was a beginner question. I know just enough to be dangerous but I find it fascinating to listen to.
I will add the only thing of value I feel I can.....if you want to have a good explosion use those bigger plastic pop bottles, I think they're 20 oz or something, fill them to the brim, no air in the bottle and screw the cap back on tight, have fun. And that's my contribution to a very technical reloading thread. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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TA17Rem
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posted January 01, 2012 01:27 PM
Another thing to keep in mind with some of the hotter cartridges is you will also get wear in other areas besides the throat.. I've seen rifleing worn out on both ends of a few barrels..
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posted January 01, 2012 01:50 PM
Varmints make pretty good medium for watching bullets blow stuff up too. Chucks, jack rabbits, p-dogs, that sort of thing.
Leonard and JD, I think a few drops of red dye in a milk jug or 20 oz. bottle "might" look a little something like this?
Have to admit though, I can hardly be bothered to shoot p-dogs anymore. Saw a bunch of them yesterday and wasn't much tempted to shoot them, even though the only coyotes I called in my partner missed badly and I didn't take a shot all day. He was shooting a Mini 14 though (really!), so he gets a pass ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) .
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Leonard
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posted January 01, 2012 01:55 PM
And you let him in the truck with mini14? OMG! I don't understand what anybody sees in a mini14? The way they cycle for me is distracting as hell.
But, I'm with you, Dave. I have yet to fill a jug of water for a target.
Good hunting. L
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JD
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posted January 01, 2012 02:05 PM
I do like the PDs in June, don't know why for sure, it's really not practice for anything else as I have a dedicated rifle for them, I suppose I do it just to piss off peta.
I like that picture Dave.... only had experience with a mini one time, I thought sure I could get it on a pie plate at 50yds, that was frustrating.
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posted January 01, 2012 02:11 PM
I never got into the P-D craze.. Every year I go by a few good towns just full of them and maybe stop and shoot one or two or just keep going...
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Kokopelli
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posted January 01, 2012 05:26 PM
(Sigh)
Ode to the Mini-14;
Too many people take a Mini-14, blast off a few 30 round clips from the hip then cook a hot dog on the barrel for lunch while lamenting the lack of accuracy. The Mini-14 is by no means a tack driver but taken proper care of, it will shoot half minute of coyote off of the shooting sticks all day long out in the real world. If stands are set up for shots between 50 and 125 yards it will kill a lot of coyotes. 200 yard shots........not so good.
YMMV
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posted January 01, 2012 05:48 PM
Mr. Hunsley,
I'd go along with what Leonard said & what Dave was eluding to. Get what you can outta that factory tube, then spend the $$$ on 'smith work on a nice custom barrel...
At that point, you can have the slick new custom tube chambered & throated appropriately so that you can "chase the lands" with your desired bullet & still stay within the confines of your magazine's c.o.a.l.
So then, as you burn the throat out of your new barrel, you can keep seating your favored bullet longer to keep whatever "jump" you've found it to like...
As for a rifle liking a certain amount of "jump", I don't really agree with that as being a constant. Moreso, it is the bullet itself that determines what amount of "jump" or "jam" it likes. The same rifle can shoot one bullet best @ .010" off the lands and another bullet best when seated .025" off the lands. And if seating depth is the accuracy deal breaker, it's already past time for a new tube
good luck!
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posted January 01, 2012 05:51 PM
oh yeah, NICE CHUNKS Dave!!!
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JD
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posted January 01, 2012 06:27 PM
Wow Koko, You must've had a really good one.
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posted January 01, 2012 07:30 PM
Yeah, koko. And, in Arizona, they don't help you out very much by restricting your magazine to 5 rounds. Imagine the handicap, a coyote romping in with less than 30! EEK!
Remember Shaw's "walk 'em in" target, up in Seligman?
Good hunting. LB
Happy New Year!
edit: BTW, Fred offers awesome advice.
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posted January 02, 2012 04:42 AM
After trying a few different brands of ammo, I ended up shooting Black Hills HPs. I get about a 2 inch group @100 yards off of the bench which translates to about a half minute of coyote off of the shooting sticks.
I've missed coyotes with the Mini-14 for two reasons;
1) I attempted to exceed the capabilities of the rifle and took a shot that was to far.
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2) I made a lousy shot. A few years ago I picked up this really neat trick of yanking the trigger, then jerking my head up to admire the fine shot I just made, most often resulting in wondering why my dead coyote was running off. The best rifle in the world don't make no never mind if you make a bad shot; you're gonna miss.
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posted January 02, 2012 08:00 AM
Knockemdown, I will take your advice and buy a new barrel when the time comes. Thanks to everyones input on this. I know just about enough to be dangerous ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Leonard
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posted January 02, 2012 10:26 AM
Wonderful! We finally got to the bottom of why Mini14's are so fruggin' inaccurate!
They apparently have a built in trigger jerk? I'm sorry for putting them down for so many years. I didn't know?
Good hunting. LB
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posted January 02, 2012 11:00 AM
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They apparently have a built in trigger jerk?
On the one I referred to I think the "jerk" was probably behind the trigger.
I know of a few guys that claim having a good one, I think they are right up there with the 99 dollar Norinko SKS
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posted January 02, 2012 12:06 PM
Come on, JD. I'm moderately educated. I know the difference between jerk as a noun or a verb.
Good hunting. LB
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