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Topic: For those of us that don't care about the environment
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Aznative
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posted December 09, 2011 08:39 AM
Some friends and family probably believe I could care less about the environment simply because I don't buy global warming. The truth is I do care about the environment, and this technology worries me:
http://news.yahoo.com/apnewsbreak-epa-theorizes-fracking-pollution-211055287.html
I spent some time at my wife's reunion talking to a cousin of hers that ran and oil drilling rig back when they were only performing horizontal fracting. He told me some horror stories about what went on back when he was in the business and also told me the greater risk that horizontal fracting faces. When you see the commercial on tv they show two layers of steel shafting and two layers of concrete. The problem is there is a steel shaft and one layer of concrete about 3/4" thick. The biggest problem is they don't always order enough concrete and the concrete liner isn't properly installed. The state inspector is usually too busy to be there to confirm a proper concrete encasement job.
I do believe this technology can be done in a safe manner but we do need to look at it closer and make sure it is done in a safe manner/
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Leonard
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posted December 09, 2011 09:34 AM
Yes, interesting conclusions. Like recently, DAA said that he and Del were the only ones that were environmentally conscious, or something like that?
Just because I have a problem with half baked studies and hysterical solutions does not mean I'm for dirty water and dirty air.
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CrossJ
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posted December 09, 2011 01:41 PM
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... half baked studies and hysterical solutions does not mean I'm for dirty water and dirty air.
I would be interested in seeing what particular chemicals were found in the water. Many here in OK are familiar with ground water contamination. Some was caused by improper casement during the wild cat days; and some caused by the sheer nature of ground water itself. Ground water always has a high mineral content reflective of its source.
More research may be warrented, but my guess is the finger of blame will point to the biggest purse.
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Aznative
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posted December 09, 2011 07:55 PM
For those of you like DAA and Del, you need to read or watch some of Bjorn Lomborg's work. He wrote the book "The Skeptical Environmentalist" and made the movie "Cool It". Bjorn does believe in man made global warming but says the data is being over blown to scare us into sinking trillions of dollars into expensive technologies when the money would be better spent elsewhere. He tells the most likely possible outcomes if global warming is really man made. But he also gives alternatives to spending tons of money if it really becomes a problem. "Cool It" is available on Epix On Demand if you have access to that. It is definately worth the 90 minutes of your time.
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nd coyote killer
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posted December 09, 2011 10:21 PM
Being one that studied geological engineering for five years and also a person that believes foreign oil is the hobble stick of this country my statement is this.
don't take one little spot and broadcast it over the whole operation. I'm a resident of WY and can understand the issue. The resivior that is booming in ND my home state is all from "fracking" and will contribute a lot to us getting away from foreign oil and like the article states is well below the water aquifers, LIKE THOUSANDS OF FEET. everybody cheers to get away form iraq's oil but when we drill here everyone wants to regulate or get a piece of the pie. YOU CHOOSE!
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Leonard
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posted December 10, 2011 10:57 AM
News Item
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U.N. envoys at global conference propose formation of a 'climate court' to oversee how the world's nations tackle climate change, calling for 'climate debt' payments to poor countries as well as the end to all wars for the sake of reducing emissions.
See, it's this type of thinking that causes me to be very skeptical of motivation. Of course, poor countries would be in favor of payments from deep pocket countries. (like U.S. taxpayers)
This is exactly the same thing that has the European Union in the position it finds itself, right now. Everybody knows that Europeans that work have about three times the holidays and vacations that Americans get. It is an inverted pyramid supporting a majority that doesn't work, at all.
People want something for nothing, and the envirowackos in this country are willing to give it to them. It's the same with all Liberals, they love to give away other people's money.
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TA17Rem
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posted December 10, 2011 11:33 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4yDCUJJm_U
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DAA
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posted December 10, 2011 01:09 PM
For the record, I simply stated my strongly held belief that pollution is fucking up the planet. And then followed that by stating my belief that climate change is real. I never said anything about global warming, whether or not I believed human pollution is contributing to climate change, nothing at all about my opinions on policy.
Simply that I believe pollution is a big problem, for everyone (note - I cancelled my normal Saturday morning walk today because the air pollution is so terrible in the valley today...). And that climate change is an undeniable fact - it's been happening since the world was young and will continue happening - to me this is simply incontrovertable fact, not open to debate. If I'm wrong, then please explain the ice age etc...
I was uniformly ridiculed for those opinions by all who responded.
So, it is what it is, from where I sit. Which is, a combination of willful ignorance and paranoia against anyone who even gives the appearance of being willing to listen to anything that isn't a soundbite from Fox news...
Hell, if you want to get out the pitchforks, go after Newt, he's been on the carbon cap and trade wagon for years. And he's the one that got all intimate with Pelosi to make a commercial demanding gov't action on climate change. All I did was comment that pollution sucks and climate change is real...
Whatever. No skin off my ass.
I think it's going to be China who ends up the big winner on the whole subject though. And there isn't any need to even discuss the merits of science or policy in reaching this conclusion.
We are the only developed country in the world where there is even a debate about the science of climate change. Everyone else in the world has already bought in, as far as simply believing. The majority of the worlds nat'l governments are already onboard. I don't see that ever happening here. Ignoring whether they are right or not, it is simply the state of affairs.
To me, this represents a huge opportunity. Governments around the world are turning towards so called "green" or "clean" energy and "smart" distribution systems. This is creating an enormous market for infrastructure technology to address these percieved needs.
I think it would be a very smart play, and so I think China will eventually recognize it for the great opportunity it is, to take the idealogical lead. They don't even have to really "do" anything, just make the right noises. Sign some big treaties we sit out on. A large portion of their country is still essentially third world, after all. But the important thing, is that by taking a progressive stance, they can claim some high ground and gain respect on the world stage. Respect is something that means a great deal in the Chinese culture.
But, biggest and most important of all, they are the only country in the world capable of manufacturing new technology on a huge scale, at low cost. They can use this enormous competitive advantage to get way out in front and truly "own" the clean energy market going into the future.
It's going to be a huge manufacturing boon for somebody, and we know it's not going to be us. I really think that when it starts to shake out and mature in another ten, twenty years, China is going to be the Big Player. Hell, just look what they've already done in the solar industry - flooding the world market with illegally subsidised low cost panels, they effectively took over that market in just a few short years. I fully expect them to do the same across the board with emerging clean energy technologies.
Meanwhile, we'll keep sending our best and brightest off to make a killing on Wall Street, instead of producing engineers and investing in a viable manufacturing base.
- DAA
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Cayotaytalker
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posted December 10, 2011 01:10 PM
Man that guy is loud! Not sure if he is right or not. It is rare that I ever watch Msnbc but there are times I would like a choice other than Fox News while I still watch Bill most every day at 5PM vegas time. There are times when I think bill is full of shit. Fox News panders to us folks that still think right or us who are still conserveative.I my self like to try and think out side the box so I might Google this dylan Ratigan up and check him out.
I my self did not like the way FNC spoke of those wall streat protset'ers. Not that I'm one of them or even like them.
I have been on a few drilling rigs and we never put a lot of stuff down the whole.Just stuff like cotton sead hulls, wyo-gell and water and custic acid. Of course that was just run of the mill wells and even alot of those wells were dry.I was on one rig that we had five gallon cans of some supper slick stuff we would poor down the hole from time to time and I'm sure that stuf was man made.But that was on a hole where we had a hard time picking up off bottom just to make a conecttion let a lone trip out of the hole to change the bit.For lack of a better way to say it the hole would tend to swell shut and made it hard to pull past that spot.
Well any way heres how I think man has the God given right to use what the earth gives up.But man does not have a right to rap the land.
I say drill man drill.
Plus I hope this post gets some feed back,but I think for the most part all of us guys here on huntmasters think about the same.
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Leonard
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posted December 10, 2011 01:27 PM
Dave, sorry that you took offense, as far as myself, I did not mean "uniformly ridiculed for those opinions" but much of this stuff is hard to define.
For instance, my opinion is that GLOBAL WARMING and CLIMATE CHANGE is the same thing. The difference in my thinking is the charge that humans are responsible, and humans can fix it. As you say, the several ICE AGES are proof of climate change. I guess Europe was practically like Siberia back in the dark ages? So, these things come and go and in my opinion, there is very little we can do about it other than refraining from group hysteria.
But, in any case, I apologize for ridiculing you, or in my view, just "needling" you a tiny bit. You are a good friend and I wouldn't want you mad at me.
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DAA
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posted December 10, 2011 02:17 PM
Hey, no worries here Leonard. But, dang, I sure appreciate the sentiment. I really do! Thanks.
- DAA
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Cayotaytalker
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posted December 10, 2011 03:59 PM
Just one more thought on this subject and thats is I don't know of any reason this deep gas can't be goten with air or air and water or steam.
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JD
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posted December 10, 2011 04:16 PM
Dave, I also hope I didn't seem like I was climbing on you, the thread I am thinking about made a clear disticntion between the pollution issue and global warming......I'm with you 100% on pollution.......but I don't believe what our Govt or their payed scientists say about man made global warming...... A difference in perspective, maybe but certainly hope I didn't come across wrong, after all I am a soft spoken gentle natured sorta guy. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
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