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Kokopelli
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posted August 08, 2011 02:21 AM
All that I hear on the news lately is Global Warming. The sky is falling and the ice caps are melting. The polar bears are starving. One even ate a camper recently. They're supposed to eat sea lions, so why not relocate all of the polar bears to the Calif. coast?? Plenty of sea lions for them to eat & they might even keep some idiot from building a house right on the beach for the next storm to wash away. Surely the same tree huggers that shoved wolves down our throats wouldn't mind a few polar bears in their back-yards??
Now...........where I'm really confused; Global warming is making the summers hotter and longer. The Green Crowd tells me that it's my fault 'cause I used a can of spray paint last week. But; if global warming is causing the temprate climate to extend further north, doesn't that mean that the growing season for crops is getting longer and the area that can be farmed larger??? The way that I see it, global warming is helping to feed the hungry & Al Gore is against it.
Maybe this summer we should all buy a case of Krylon and give our hunting rigs the camo paint job that we've always wanted. Help warm the planet for the starving children!!!!
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posted August 08, 2011 05:32 AM
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growing season for crops is getting longer and the area that can be farmed larger
How long a growing season do we need up here in the Canadian shield. Just wondering.
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Leonard
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posted August 08, 2011 10:42 AM
Eco theorists don't need facts, they make them up to suit the cause de jour. It is amazing that Al Gore hasn't had a net thrown over him before now? Does he get anything right? But, at least NASA is still on his side.
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posted August 08, 2011 07:12 PM
Koko,
Keep on spraying your rig with the Krylon...any ecotard knows that the real warming is caused by all of the livestock flatulence here in Kansas...
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posted August 08, 2011 07:17 PM
Don't give em any more ideas boog. There was some folks I believe in England trying to design a fart catcher for my future steak.
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DEL GUE
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posted August 08, 2011 09:05 PM
Gore is right.
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Kokopelli
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posted August 09, 2011 07:52 AM
"Gore is right"
Uh..............No. Right is right and left is wrong. Gore is left. Way left. And wrong.
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Leonard
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posted August 09, 2011 11:27 AM
Yes, Del, do you really believe that Gore knows what he's talking about? If so, that's okay. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. I am just curious?
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posted August 09, 2011 06:39 PM
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DEL GUE says Gore is right.
The sack of bovine excrement named algore also claimed that he invented the internet. It goes to show that if you tell a lie long enough, someone, somewhere will eventually believe it.
P.T. Barnum had it right when he said that there was a sucker born every minute.
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posted August 09, 2011 08:43 PM
If the Left/liberals spent even a third of the time it spends on The Bullshit they call Global Warming on trying to deal the problems we have here in the U.S both Socially and Economically we might just fix this Country.
And I can GUARANTEE you Obama and his Croneys will destroy this Country long before Global Warming will......
BTW Al Gore is and ignorant Asshole!!!!
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posted August 10, 2011 07:50 AM
You guys doubt that pollution is fucking up the planet?
I don't...
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posted August 10, 2011 08:33 AM
Dave, I know that pollution is fucking up the planet but the better question is.....do you believe al gore can fix it by selling all of us carbon credits?
Pollution is one thing, global warming is another and totally unfounded.
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posted August 10, 2011 08:55 AM
Every species impacts its environment. Weather that impact is positive or negative depends on many many factors. If one follows the thinking of most radical environmentalists, we as a population are well beyond our carrying capacity of our given environment. So whats the solution? Personnaly, I do not believe in man-caused global warming; I certainly do not think that the answers for environmental concerns will come from a government. I also question the data that is used as a club to extract money. Truthfully, all data should be continuously questioned regardless of weather it supports our thinking or not.
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posted August 10, 2011 09:03 AM
I've never paid any attention to Al Gore. Or any politicos, on issues like this. Whatever they say is completely irrelevant. So I ignore them completely. They are the last people on earth whose opinion I'm interested in, on an issue like this.
Personally, I'm 100% convinced that pollution is a contributing factor to climate change. To me, I can't see how it could possibly not be?
As for "global warming", that's just a politically motivated catch phrase with no actual meaning and worn threadbare by both sides of the political debate.
Bottom line for me... Climate change is real. Period. The evidence in support of that statement is overwhelming and incontrovertable. Nobody except a few religous nut jobs even dispute it. The question at hand, is whether man made pollution is a contributing factor to acceleration or alteration of the trajectory of large scale climate change. The atmosphere and oceans are essentially what regulates climate on Earth. How could the immense quantities of polution being released into the atmosphere and oceans NOT have an effect? Like I said, I'm 100% convinced that it does.
That simple. Al Gore has no relevance to the topic at all.
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Leonard
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posted August 10, 2011 10:04 AM
A huge can of worms, the planet, the environment.
Every tree chopped down, every cow that farts affects the planet in some small (minuscule) way. What constitutes "pollution"?
I resent the enviro NAZI's that expect us to feel guilt for every breath we take.
Humans are expanding their "carbon footprint" by the sheer force of numbers. That is, if we want to be kept warm when it's cold and so forth. They also drive cars and go on cruises to the Caribbean.
The major factors in climate might be the oceans, and the radiation we receive from the nearest star. Beyond that, it's all Liberal talking points.
Take coal fired generators, for instance. Measure that pollution against one violent volcano eruption. Nature wins, by a lot.
Okay, so what constitutes pollution, or have we answered that question, already? I guess it's more of something than we had before? Possibly less of something?
What constitutes fucking up the planet? Continually adding fluorocarbons and destroying the ozone? Dumping raw sewage into the Pacific ocean? I know that the city of San Diego does just that, every day. And, life goes on.
But, people, we need to accept our collective guilt for living. Take Al Gore and his house in Tennessee and his airplane trips to events where he can curse us and demand that we accept his view of reality, and associated blame. Humans need a certain amount of guilt and by golly, Al is just the guy to provide such.
The mere fact that "his" scientists have seen the problem and addressed it by changing GLOBAL WARMING to CLIMATE CHANGE tells me that we won't have an easy time pinning him down. If the seas rise a quarter of an inch or 26 feet, in the next century, what's the big deal?
And so we are measuring and documenting huge amounts of data attempting to prove cause and effect. Those that are convinced, remain so.
Separate your glass, paper and plastics. Never mind that the economics of it, and the greenness is questionable. It's all about Liberals telling the rest of us what to think and what to do.
My conscience is clear, and Liberals have a cause, which keeps them from doing something actually useful.
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posted August 10, 2011 10:27 AM
I definitely believe in climate change.It changes all the time.Some years we have droughts sometimes for a few years in a row,some years like the last couple are very wet.Sometimes it's very hot in the west and mild in the east,but this year it's been pretty mild out west and very hot back east.The weather is always changing.
Do I believe Mankind is the cause? NO..I don't think we cause all the changes in the climate anymore than I believe we control whether it's sunny today, or rains tomorrow,or whether or not it snows on Christmas Day.
I remember back in the 70's scientist's said we were headed for another ice age,now it's Global Warming.It's all Bullshit science,and a good way for these guys to get funding from the Government. Just Scare the hell out of people and you get as much money as you need to fund your research for an unlimited amount of time.Oldest trick in the book.
Sure do humans do stupid things to harm the planet? YES..Does it have the huge impact that scientists will have us believe...Hell no..
Believe as you like.But as was posted earlier,"there's a sucker born every minute".
I think I'll just sit back and see what the next big event the junk science fraternity will come up with.lol
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posted August 10, 2011 10:42 AM
Chad, how do you define "junk science"? And, where do you find science that you don't define as "junk" that supports the idea that pollution doesn't effect the climate?
Just who do you think funds the "science" that contradicts and discounts the effect of man made pollution on our environment?
Go find a "study" that discounts the impact of pollution on the environment. It won't be hard, there are hundreds of them. But then find out who did the study. That's easy too. Then find out who PAID for the study, still not too hard. Bu, then, find out who FINANCES the think tank or trust that paid for the study. It's going to be Big Oil, the automakers, the energy industry, the mining industry etc.
Then look around to see what kind of peer review or scientific method went into the "study". Ooops... None...
You don't suppose, that those "scientists" are doing "junk" do you?
Myself, I believe they are the ones providing the "junk science". None of the papers done by those industry funded think tanks are subjected to peer review or any of the rigors of "real science". But, when the industrial political machine behind it all shakes their money and complains about the lack of "fair and balanced" reporting on the issue, the media trots that stuff out as if it were legitimate. Personally, I'll take peer reviewed science over industry paid for "papers" everytime. The overwhelming majority of such study supports the position that pollution is affecting the trajectory of climate change.
Ignore the politicians and all that bullshit. I don't have liberals under my bed and don't give two fucks what they have to think or say about anything. I do my own thinking, thank you very much.
And I never said a gawd damn thing about most of what you are talking about anyway.
But, I'm a "sucker" and obviously, I'm wasting all of our time on this subject, so, I'll just move along...
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posted August 10, 2011 11:17 AM
No waste of time at all Dave, it's just that this subject has been fucked over so heavily by politicians that it's hard to separate.
I don't have any idea if the climate is changing but I do know that we pollute the fuck out of everything we touch, that's a fact. As an avid kayaker I have the opportunity to float streams in different states and have friends who are in the field of "water quality" and I can tell you this much, most people would shit there pants if they knew what was dumped directly into the water on purpose, let alone the real problem of what ends up there inadvertently. We do need to continue to change and do better but I don't trust ANYONE to be the watchdog on this subject.....money will quickly corrupt them all.
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posted August 10, 2011 11:20 AM
Dave,I'm no expert and I'm not saying that pollution doesn't contribute to some changes in our environment,I guess my point is that to think that we are the major contributors to climate change like the left/Lib nut jobs and SOME scientists believe is very far fetched,IMO.
Hell I've heard Volcanoes have a hell of alot more of an effect on our environment than what we put out as humans...
And you're totally right Everyone will spin it anyway that proves there point of view..
Scientists were convinced in the 70's in global cooling.Then in the 90's and early 2000's it was global warming,then when things don't work out as they like and people start to call bullshit it's Climate Change,Very broad brush that encompasses there agenda.Bottom line I think it's all about the almighty dollar.Go Green save the planet, and we need more funding from the tax payer for research.
My thoughts???? I'll just live my Life and not worry about the Alarmists....FWIW
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posted August 10, 2011 12:32 PM
Dave, before you move on. Have the "creditable" scientists ever been caught enhancing their data? If credible scientists are funded by government sources, and those that contradict their data are funded by big oil, is data funded by government funds more reliable? Personally, it looks to me like all of these researchers have a preconceived theory, which they attempt to prove by ignoring data that does not square with what they believe to be true, largely by associating with others and forming a "consensus".
It goes something like this; who believes we descended from apes who lacked opposable thumbs? Please raise your hand. That, my friends, is "settled science" in a nutshell. Apparently, majority rules, is a valid scientific concept.
Yes, we pollute. San Diego built a conduit 1½ miles out to sea where the Humboldt Current carries their affluent straight up the coast, to Los Angeles. But, since the Pacific Ocean is 8,000 miles across, and what happens in Shanghai acts as a counterbalance.
They do this by an ancient method. There are concrete canals behind all buildings and the waste is shoveled onto sleds which are pulled by ropes, exclusively by women, all the way to the shore where they are dumped. But, on the surface, it's a modern city, a tourist Mecca.
Okay, what were we talking about? Global Warming or human pollution, I forget? We should thank the illegals that leave those diapers in the parking lots, that stray dogs pull apart for the yummies inside.
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posted August 10, 2011 04:22 PM
I'll say it again... GORE IS RIGHT
The Republican party has to take the position that global warming doesn't exist in order to appease big business, who contributes to...the Republican party and Republican candidates. If global warming was embraced as real then big business would have to spend money they don't want to spend.
And there is also the mindless kneejerk lockstep response by Republicans against anything a Democrat says, not because it is wrong, but simply because if a Democrat said it, then it must be wrong. Or there is the mindless regurgitation of whatever Fox says this week, because Fox is right, because Fox is the official network of the Republican party.
Gore saying he invented the internet was both pretentious and ludicrous. However, the fact that Gore made such ridiculous utterances about inventing the internet, and the fact that Gore is a Democrat, does NOT mean that everything Gore says is wrong, any more that it means that everything Rush Limbaugh says is right.
The effects of man on the planet are scientifically demonstrable, assuming scientists are allowed to speak honestly and not gagged like Bush did to them.
Republicans better pull their heads outta their asses and quit protecting the rich from a tax increase and big business from a tax increase before they not only blow the 2012 election and sentence themselves to another 4 years of Obama, but lose the House as well.
The Tea Party Republicans acted like total asses in front of the whole nation, and have done more to help Obama's re-election efforts than any Democrat has. You govern by compromising. This my way or the highway bullshit is poor governing, and poor politics. They act like little children throwing a tantrum. No sane person believes that our financial house is in order, or that reform isn't necessary. But you don't hold the nation hostage like a bunch of petulant children, and they can take singular responsibility for the downgrade of the U.S. credit rating.
Those crazy bastards oppose not only Democratic candidates, but Republican candidates, too. Do you mean to tell me that they can't find sufficient Democratic candidates to oppose that they feel compelled to oppose Republicans? Are they saying that Democratic candidates are more palatable to them than Republican candidates? The Republicans are so divided, and so hell bent on alienating moderates, that Obama isn't going to win this election...the Republicans are going to give it to him.
Gore isn't right about everything, but he's bloody well right about global warming.
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posted August 10, 2011 05:05 PM
Geez, Del, lighten up...I read your post initially as satire, and then realized you are serious.
Don't want to hijack this on Global Warming, (Which by the way is a frickin' joke and junk science), but you are so wrong on many ways about the economy.
First of all, the US does not have an income problem, they have a SPENDING problem. When you borrow 40% of every dollar you spend, that is an issue...at least it would at my house if I handled my checkbook like that.
As far as taxing the rich...how much more do you want them to pay?? 11% of the top taxpayers pay 78% of the total taxes. Why don't you just tax them the rest of the way, and let them pick up the other 22%.
What's wrong with a nation and a tax code that almost 50% of the 'taxpayers' pay no tax at all??
Don't know about you, but I have never been hired by a poor person. I am glad the guy that signs my paycheck is rich and I will damn well cheer for him every year that his net worth increases.
As far as the Tea Party folks...we wouldn't have even had this damn conversation about conservatism if these folks wouldn't have had the stones to stand up to the establishment and old Washington cronyism. I think if they get your panties in a wad you probably should move to another country, as this deal only made them stronger.
They had absolutely nothing to do with the downgrade in the credit rating, but I respect your opinion to believe what you want, even if it is wrong.
Don't know how old you are, but you would do well to go back and study the economy under Ronald Reagan. He inherited a much worse economy from Carter, higher interest rates and horrible unemployment. He DROPPED tax rates and just happened to preside over about 40 quarters of continuous growth in the economy. Thats almost 10 years to you and me. Growth was approaching 7%...as compared to 1.3% for our last quarter.
Like I said, I respect your right to your opinion, but you would do well to stop listening to the liberal mantra, crack a book and find out the facts for yourself.
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posted August 10, 2011 05:33 PM
I'll hardly be moving to another country. The soil of this country has been watered by the blood of my family. I'm not going anywhere...except to Montana after I retire.
A discussion about the financial habits and future of this country are long overdue. It needs to happen. But holding the full faith and credit of the U.S. hostage isn't the way to do it. And it hardly serves the interests of financial reform to act like they did and cause the credit rating to drop. But then, these are the same clowns who so passionately wanted the government to have to shut down a few months ago.
If you think this national disgrace that we just witnessed made the Tea Party stronger, remember that sentiment after election day next year and we will revisit the issue. The public was not happy with what they saw, and they hold the Tea Party responsible.
I think we want the same thing: to bring our financial house into order; Obama replaced; and to at least hold the House, and wishfully pick up the Senate, too. But the Tea Party better start worrying about building a unified Republican party and quit trying to stroke their ego or we are all gonna be facing 4 more years of Obama and maybe lose the House to boot.
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posted August 10, 2011 05:33 PM
Well, he's entitled to his opinion, no argument there. But, I don't think he should be allowed to vote.
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edit: and I don't think he knows anything about the Tea Party, other than what he has been spoon fed on MSNBC.
(just kidding)
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