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Possumal
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posted July 07, 2011 06:49 AM
It seems to me that it might not be too smart to allow hiking when those bears have young cubs.
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Leonard
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posted July 07, 2011 08:05 AM
.....or require they be armed.
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Okanagan
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posted July 07, 2011 09:12 AM
A black bear killed a woman in her back yard a few days ago near Lillooet, BC. I heard about it through friends who live there. It didn't look like it was going to make the news but then a city newspaper ran a front page story on it, still only regional news.
One Fall there were several grizzly attacks in northern BC, and not one made any kind of news. The guides/outfitters and local people from mayor to hospital workers all want to keep such stuff out of the news to keep from scaring off tourists. fishermen and hunters, which are a major part of the economy. I only knew about it because of a guide friend who worked there, and all of the attacks were in a fairly small region, only a piece of northern BC.
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Leonard
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posted July 07, 2011 09:27 AM
I have a comment on the policy. To let the mother bear go because .....bla bla bla, is completely irresponsible. We have to get away from this cult of nature trumping humanity. That they allow a killer bear to roam in a well traveled area is ludicrous. Criminal.
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Leonard
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posted July 07, 2011 09:34 AM
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It seems to me that it might not be too smart to allow hiking when those bears have young cubs.
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Al Prather
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BUT. This is the same type of thinking, protect an offending animal(s) at the expense of humans.
Several years ago, a lion attacked and mauled a little girl in Casper's regional park. The authorities solution was: (are you ready for this?)
Children not allowed in the park!
Maybe it's changed, I don't know?
Kill the damned lion! We already have them coming out our ears. Idiocy!
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Dan Carey
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posted July 07, 2011 09:50 AM
There are too many people in my country, I say feed some of them to the bears.
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posted July 07, 2011 01:46 PM
Now there's a solution that could work! Put them on buses and tell them they are going to the petting zoo.
Give these "save the animals" loons a front row seat. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted July 07, 2011 01:53 PM
Leonard, all I'm saying is that if you are going to have bears, and they are going to have cubs, you need to watch what goes on in those areas a bit closer. Either that or go out and kill all the female bears who have cubs because they are going to defend their territory and offspring.
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posted July 07, 2011 02:17 PM
Al, since bears will keep cubs for up to 2 years, there isn't a time of year that at least some females won't have cubs with them.
People just need to realize that if your are in bear country, there is a chance that you can become bear shit. But I agree with LB in that once a bear kills or maims someone, it should be a dead bear.
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Leonard
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posted July 07, 2011 10:26 PM
And, I believe we are allowed weapons in National Parks, now? It should be REQUIRED!
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posted July 08, 2011 04:21 AM
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And, I believe we are allowed weapons in National Parks, now? It should be REQUIRED!
LB, have you seen some of the people that visit nat. parks?
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Paul Melching
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posted July 08, 2011 06:19 AM
The people that visit natnl. parks?
usually if near a river, speedo and gold chains,near the lodge or gift shop pants made from fabric better suited to drapes or shorts with dress shoes and black socks around the knees. Generally frogs or lugerheads.
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Possumal
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posted July 08, 2011 08:53 AM
Cal, aren't the mother bears more protective of their cubs when they are very young, something about the boars being a threat to kill them to force the females to come into heat again?
No question that the authorities usually kill any wild animal who attacks a human, and that is understandable. I don't believe I'd want to hike in areas where I could end up being attacked if I wasn't fully armed. I'm not sure how safe I'd feel if all I had was a pistol.
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Leonard
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posted July 08, 2011 09:15 AM
Well, like they say; you only have to run faster than those fairies in their lederhosen.
Cal, I have not been to a National Park since I was a teenager.
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posted July 08, 2011 10:15 AM
Sometimes you guys amaze me. This particular bear was just being a bear and doing what comes natural. That's what the Yellowstone experience is all about, right? If I pick up a rattler by the tail and it bites me, should we call out the cavalry to hunt it down and kill it? This doofus probably had no business being out by himself with or without a weapon. There are so many written warnings all over Yellowstone about bear activity and every park rep will tell you the same thing. If you can't handle yourself, stay in the fucking car or with a group and guide.
Rogue bears are a different story.
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Leonard
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posted July 08, 2011 11:02 AM
Oh yeah? Well, sometimes YOU amaze me.
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posted July 08, 2011 02:43 PM
I'd have to agree the momma bear should not be killed but should be trapped along with her cubs and moved to a more remote location... that way we won't have to look at the bodies! ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Leonard
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posted July 08, 2011 03:36 PM
I couldn't disagree more strongly. To hell with the bear, she won't hesitate to kill any human that gets in her way.
As some of these people that frequent National Parks have said, tourists are oblivious to the potential danger. If they sleep with their ham sandwich outside, it could happen with any grizzly, any black bear.
But, coupled with a known killer bear, these administrators have rocks in their head.
Look, they tried for years to relocate black bears from Yosemite Valley eating the Camp Curry garbage every friggin' night. It didn't matter how far they "relocated" them, they found their way back to the garbage dump.
I guess they relocated 3 sea lions from the mouth of the Columbia river that were killing every salmon that the indians didn't net so they finally dumped them 900 miles south and they were back within a week.
Relocating these large carnivores doesn't work. But, that is when they are tipping over trash cans, not killing tourists. I mean really! Bears just doing what bears do! I can't believe people think like that?
In fact, I think it was a boneheaded decision to introduce grizzlies to Yellowstone, in the first place. Or wolves too, for that matter. It's not a "natural" environment, and wishful thinking won't make it so. These are desires of bunny huggers, fuzzy thinking and for the life of me, I can't see where it enhances the Park experience to have man eaters in close proximity with naive tourists.
What an adventure to tell your neighbors...."Wow! How cool! My husband/dad was eaten by a grizzly"
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Cdog911
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posted July 08, 2011 03:47 PM
I guess it all depends upon why the parks were established in the first place. Preserve wild lands, or promote tourism? Do you think Roosevelt envisioned that many stupid people infiltrating the parks? Hell, he even had at least one gun close by at all times. From what I've read in follow up, this couple saw the bears and chose to continue forward, closing the gap, ignoring the advice posted all around them. Darwinian selection, I guess. Non-Bambi-esque Bear - 1, Bait - 0.
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posted July 08, 2011 03:50 PM
Leonard... I agree with you!
That was meant to be sarcasm!!!LOL
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I'd have to agree the momma bear should not be killed but should be trapped along with her cubs and moved to a more remote location... that way we won't have to look at the bodies!
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posted July 08, 2011 04:03 PM
I promise you, the policy is to promote tourism. They want those idiots in flip-flops hiking the trails.
They have a 300 mile long National Park in South Africa and I have toured most of it. You are advised to not get out of your vehicle and every year, a few do, and are promptly eaten. It is crazy to be out of your vehicle, yet I did it, early one morning to pick up a leopard tortoise. My wife freaked. And, did I really know it was safe? No. But, they have dangerous animals. A Park ranger will take you on a morning nature walk, and he has a 458WinMag, I kid you not.
They do everything possible to protect the idiots, (like me) but at least they know the score.
In Yellowstone, it's the same potential danger except ALL the idiots are walking around eating their ham sandwich, oblivious. I don't understand?
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posted July 08, 2011 04:56 PM
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The couple saw the bear twice on their hike, according to Yellowstone spokesman Al Nash. The second time, the bear charged them and the couple ran, according to a press release. “The bear caught up with them, attacking Mr. Matayoshi. The beear then went over to Mrs. Matayoshi, who had fallen to the ground nearby. The bear bit her daypack, lifting her from the ground and then dropping her. She remained still and the bear left the area.”
Here's your sign.
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posted July 08, 2011 05:15 PM
relocation don't work. kill the female and keep their mouth shut about it. i've been around 100's of bears at very close range and a momma with babies still gets me nervous. i've seen first hand how fast the switch can be flipped my a momma and it's FAST. i've been bowhunting bear for 27 years straight. average of 10 days a year and have only carried a side arm about a dozen times. my average shot is about 7-8 yards and i sit 7-8 feet up. unless i was cocked and pointed, i would stand NO chance if momma wanted to GET TO ME.
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Leonard
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posted July 08, 2011 06:08 PM
Yes, that's exactly what they do out here. They talk all warm fuzzy and relocating bears and lions where they won't get in any more trouble, but in actuality, don't tell anybody but, they kill them. You can't just drop a lion, (for instance) in another animal's territory. They get run off, and run off and eventually, killed.
Jimanez, I'm mystified by your last sentence? Puzzled, don't understand what you mean?
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