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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 09:29 AM:
 
... that the winner of the 2010 World Predator Calling Champion Howling was convicted of poaching in Bland County, VA... Anyone know if it's true? I've read it in several spots.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 04, 2011, 09:39 AM:
 
Who was/is the winner?
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 09:59 AM:
 
Jason Groseclose
 

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Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on June 04, 2011, 10:32 AM:
 
That rumor was floating around the 2011 contest down in Georgia last month.

Here are the results of the 2011 Championship:

For the Distress divison #1-Jon Paul Moody #2-Ernie Wilson #3-Al Morris

Coyote Vocalization Division #1-Jon Paul Moody #2-Jason Groseclose #3-Tim Deckard

World All-Around #1-Jon Paul Moody #2-Jason Groseclose #3-Al Morris

[ June 04, 2011, 10:32 AM: Message edited by: Semp ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 10:39 AM:
 
Do you know if it's true?

If so, what kind of message does that send allowing him to participate?

[ June 04, 2011, 10:40 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 04, 2011, 10:54 AM:
 
Smithers, what did Jason poach? Could you provide a link to some of the places you read about this?
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on June 04, 2011, 11:36 AM:
 
Jason didn't win the Coyote Vocalization Division i don't think
and as for the Grapevine i would nee better proof then that. and what exactly he did
 

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Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on June 04, 2011, 12:14 PM:
 
I do not know if the rumor is true.

George,

Jason won the Coyote Vocalization Division in 2010.
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on June 04, 2011, 12:35 PM:
 
00000000 thought he asked about this year
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 04, 2011, 12:55 PM:
 
Jason is a friend of mine. I doubt there is any truth to it, but I will contact him anyways.
 

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Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on June 04, 2011, 01:04 PM:
 
I hope it is not true. I talked to him and he seems like a nice guy.

He does a hell of a job with that diaphragm call.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on June 04, 2011, 01:13 PM:
 
Something of that magnitude should be varified before being posted to the web...

Edit: That was easy enough to research. According to court records Jason pled guilty to using a spotlight and having a firearm in his vehicle w/o permission(SPOTLIGHT/FIREARM/W/O PERMISSN). He was fined $200.

Court records don't give details but no mention of poaching was made... I guess using a spotlight at night in some states is poaching?

Nikonut

[ June 04, 2011, 01:44 PM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 01:53 PM:
 
So... Niko, in your mind, having a spotlight and a weapon in a vehicle means you are out scouting? I doubt it. If you have a spotlight and a loaded weapon close at hand you are up to no good, IMO.

AND! In my first post I didn't make an accusation, I asked a question. You have no idea what my motives are.

[ June 04, 2011, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on June 04, 2011, 02:43 PM:
 
He took a newbie hunting 2 counties over. The fellow said he had permission on the farm, but it turned out he did not. Those damn deer hunters can get really anal, so the game warden was called. Jason could do nothing other than take the ticket. They hadn't fired a shot all night. The hunting method was legal, the ground they were on was not.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on June 04, 2011, 02:45 PM:
 
Then please tell us what your motives are...

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You have no idea what my motives are.

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I know how easy it was to find the answer and not continue the rumor. Do I believe he was poaching? Not enough info to tell. Apparently there were no dead critters in his possession... that could be proof in my book. Maybe he had shot something before dark and was just trying to locate it. I have no way of knowing and don't really care.

I don't carry loaded weapons in my vehicles, ever... but I do carry a spotlight! Does that make me a poacher?

Nikonut

Edit: Shaw has answered some of these questions... we were posting at the same time! Sad situation for Jason.

[ June 04, 2011, 02:49 PM: Message edited by: Nikonut ]
 

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Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on June 04, 2011, 02:54 PM:
 
...having a spotlight and a weapon in a vehicle means you are out scouting? I doubt it. If you have a spotlight and a loaded weapon close at hand you are up to no good, IMO.

I react to that assumption of guilt by Smithers, quoted above. That kind of assumption is one of the major problems wrong with law and law enforcement and it keeps getting worse.

Nail the perp if he is guilty of breaking law, such as poaching, but donèt make up silly laws attributing guilt to his potential to poach or his possession of legal items. If you are a cop, do your work and prove guilt instead of the lazy way out to say anyone who owns a spoon is guilty of heroin use. Yes, some crimnals will get off. That is deliberately the side of error that the US Constitution and the majority of people prefer.

Two weeks ago I was hunting bear and had a spotlight in my vehicle because I always do. I use it once in awhile for repair, checking a bad turnoff headlights donèt show and sometimes around camp. I would like to look at animals but am wary of assumers such as Smithers. About 400 yards from camp, rolling home to the tent in deep dusk, a herd of elk with a bull in velvet trotted down the road ahead of us and went off into a creek bottom. I pulled out the light to look at him a little more, and decided some idiot might convict me of poaching because of the light AND a rifle in the vehicle. Shooting that elk was the last thing on my mind. (added: rifle was not loaded but ammo was handy in my cup holder as was a loaded detachable magazine).

Sorry: possession of legal items does not constitute guilt by itself. If anyone thinks that kind of combination of possessions and or actions should be illegal in themselves, we will disagree, but without much respect from this side.

Bad laws and bad enforcement erode respect for all law, and that is exactly what we are seeing expressed in frustration by law abiding men on this forum.

edit: a second anecdote deleted as distracting from point already made.

[ June 04, 2011, 03:13 PM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 03:20 PM:
 
They have laws to keep people honest. If I see someone lighting illegally, which it is at certain times of year in MI, I will call the sheriff.
If it's a situation like Jason seems to have been caught up in then it's a misunderstanding and unfortunate but still illegal. The law seems to be muddled in VA and that is part of the problem.

Okanagan, I am not a person to jump the gun when it comes to calling the authorities on someone but I won't hesitate if I KNOW they are doing something that is not legal. Ethics plays a BIG part in the way I hunt and would hope it is the same for all hunters but, unfortunately, it's not a priority on some people's list. And those are the ones that the laws are written for.

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Nikonut:

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Something of that magnitude should be varified before being posted to the web...

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It was already posted elsewhere on the web, that's how I got the info. I'm not the first to post it so don't roll eyes at me...

And VERIFIED is spelled like this... NOT WITH AN A! Ha ha!

[ June 04, 2011, 03:30 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 04, 2011, 03:31 PM:
 
I don't know how many times I have used my boat to get to an island or other ground to legally hunt, and I usually have a spotlight in my boat and sometimes my truck, and of course firearms if intending to hunt..

We are not allowed to spotlight deer in MO even if you have no firearms, I think it is called animal harassment. Many hunters would go out and night and scout for big deer. I am pretty sure landowners can go look for cattle and such.

[ June 04, 2011, 03:33 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 04, 2011, 03:43 PM:
 
In Kansas, it is illegal to use a spotlight while in possession of a firearm of any kind, loaded or otherwise. Pretty clean cut. Now, what happens if a rancher is out doing calf check and he's shining for cows or looking to see what he thought might be a coyote strafing his herd? Should he get written up? How about having a gun in the rack or behind the seat and you and a buddy decide to go out and scout for deer across the alfalfa fields and you get pulled over? In one instance, you're not hunting, or you're protecting your property. In the other, you have no intention of hunting or shooting anything - just looking. With the way our law is written, the Natural Resource Officer (NRO) or other LEO is well within his authority to write you a ticket and charge you, but should he? Give a badge and a sidearm to someone who lacks common sense and good judgment and you're asking for problems. An LEO needs to consider the totality of the circumstances in any given situation and decide if there was intent, what the subject intended to do, and how best to handle the situation to achieve the desired results. Heavy handedness and by the proverbial book isn't always the most effective long-term solution, especially in a local situation where you may know of the person's character and will be contacting them again on a regular basis. I've seen many instances where an officer gave a warning and often reminded the subject that he didn't write him up, but that he could have, and that he will, if ever given good reason. A smart boy knows when he got lucky and knows just as well how to make sure he doesn't piss his own luck away down the road.

I don't know the gentleman in question, but Shaw's a friend of mine and I know his judgment of others. If he says the guy's a good man, that's good enough for me. Sometimes, people find themselves in the shit and don't have any choice but to man up and take the hit.
 

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Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on June 04, 2011, 03:49 PM:
 
I don't know the gentleman in question, but Shaw's a friend of mine and I know his judgment of others. If he says the guy's a good man, that's good enough for me. Sometimes, people find themselves in the shit and don't have any choice but to man up and take the hit.

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Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on June 04, 2011, 03:57 PM:
 
Smithers, thanks for your gracious reply. I was reacting in my post!

I have no problem with items in possession ect. raising suspicion. That is common sense. But suspicion is different from guilt. Dan may get checked out in his boat: he should not be convicted of poaching because he has common equipment like a spotlight on board, even if it could be used in poaching.

I phoned a game warden about spotlighting during a deer and elk season. We saw a spotlight sweeping the mountainside from a road above our camp, heard one shot up there and then 20 minutes of lights scurrying around where the shot came from. Maybe they were changing a tire they blew! But I phoned the warden to let him find out what they were doing (though he never even checked).

If they did not have a fresh-dead critter, I say let them go. Having a spotlight etc. in a hunting vehicle should not constitute guilt, and if that is against the law, it is a bad law which will hassle far more law abiding people than it hampers poachers.

My aggravation is that we keep proliferating bad laws that make routine normal parts of life illegal, instead of focussing on those who do damage. Declaring legal possessions illegal (such as gun laws) and legal actions illegal makes it easier for police to get convictions but does nothing for publics safety, game protection nor any other good. It just hassles ordinary people doing ordinary things.

Did you know it is illegal to possess an eagle feather, even the shed one my grandson picked up on the beachÉ Stupid law. In WA State it was illegal to pick up a shed antler. Donèt know if that law is still on the books but it is a stupid law. (My computer keyboard goes wonky and does this È in place of some punctuation marks sometimesÈ)

added re Jason: Ditto to Paul Melching.

[ June 04, 2011, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: Okanagan ]
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 04, 2011, 04:14 PM:
 
In Kentucky, the only hunting with a light that is legal is hunting bullfrogs or raccoons during the season. No predator hunting with lights is allowed, period. At the present time, a farmer can't even get a special permit for a coyote hunter to hunt on his place. As far as I know, there are no restrictions concerning a farmer using a spotlight on his own property.

Perhaps Semp knows more details about this and can post a comment.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 04:21 PM:
 
I would hope if I was ever caught in a situation that called into question the legality of something I was doing the DNR or sheriff would use discretion as well. That's a no-brainer.
I've been stopped numerous times while hunting at night and never had anything but praise for the DNR and sheriff for doing their job. One time I had to tell an officer that HE needed to look at the law because I was doing nothing unlawful.

There is a big difference between rowing a boat and having a spotlight in your possession and shining a field. We could all come up with ridiculous scenarios, but none of the scenarios written would likely get you a ticket. Unless, that particular authority had an axe to grind or had sand in their mangina at the time.
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on June 04, 2011, 04:21 PM:
 
I have the answer and it simple!

Jason don't need to explain anything to anyone.

[ June 04, 2011, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: George Ackley ]
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on June 04, 2011, 04:47 PM:
 

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And VERIFIED is spelled like this... NOT WITH AN A! Ha ha!

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Please don't tell Dan!

Poaching laws are reactionary and aren't there to keep people,"Honest". Laws like this are made to appease liberal dumbshits that think all hunting is bad. I can't even carry a spotlight with a plugin on my atv... how ignorant is that? I can however carry a handheld 15million candlepower unit, but if I use it while sitting on the atv all of my equipment could be confiscated... again, stupid laws.

You hunt with NightVision but it's not OK to have a spotlight... interesting way of thinking.



Nikonut
 

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Posted by Okanagan (Member # 870) on June 04, 2011, 05:09 PM:
 
We kinda got going on a tangent from the original topic of the contest winner and have two topics going. I think we all agree that it sounds like Jason walked into a bad deal innocently and handled it straight.

The other topic, bad laws and bad enforcement is huge, from local cops and game wardens to the Attorney General. IMO the biggest single problem is the proliferation of laws that keep making more and more things illegal. So an acquaintance served time in Seattle because one of his employees at a metal fabricating shop violated company rules and poured drinkable water into a drain that led to a salmon stream. The young proscecutor wanted to "send a message."

A game warden got mad when I told him I could not figure out hunting boundaries. He replied that he didn't know where the boundaries were and he had to enforce them! A game warden last year hassled a friend of mine for three hours and was going to confiscate vehicles, guns etc. My friend read the law better than the enforcer. He finally got the warden to check with his superior by radio and confirm that where he was hunting is legal. The warden was sincere, was wrong, and was a total jerk as well. Threatening, surly, yelling commands all the time, and never a trace of apology when it was over.

Bad laws make it hard on those who enforce them, and give a lot of slack to those who have a tendency to abuse their authority. All of that causes a growing disrespect for law and law enforcement, even the good ones.

Mere reality at this point.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 04, 2011, 05:17 PM:
 
I have a different view on it, George. If a person is going to
be part of a World Contest hosted by sponsors and held by an individual, the sponsors or individual should be alerted that someone in the contest was recently ticketed and plead guilty to a hunting related crime. Jason may have alerted the people at the World Contest, but who's to know? He doesn't have to say anything to anyone, right?
Let's let pedophiles judge Miss Teen USA contests. It's none of our business... Simple...
 

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Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on June 04, 2011, 05:23 PM:
 
Niko,

In KS, we cannot cast any artificial light, nor can we use anything to enhance or magnify existing light, i.e, night vision, for any type of hunting, with exception of coonhunting where we can legally take any animal that is bayed or treed by hounds, or if the animal is in a trap, snare or other restraining device. Ironically, and unfortunately, I can use a lantern, a flashlight, or build a bonfire, but by the law, I am not legally able to cast the light from my pickup's headlights on a trapped animal, although guys do that all the time and I don't know that anyone is writing it.

Deer antlers in Kansas must be accompanied by a legal deer permit/ tag if they are attached to any part of the skull, including if you find a skeleton of a deer. If the antler was not naturally shed, it requires a deer permit to possess.
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 04, 2011, 05:50 PM:
 

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Let's let pedophiles judge Miss Teen USA contests. It's none of our business... Simple...

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In Kentucky, the only hunting with a light that is legal is hunting bullfrogs or raccoons during the season. No predator hunting with lights is allowed, period. At the present time, a farmer can't even get a special permit for a coyote hunter to hunt on his place. As far as I know, there are no restrictions concerning a farmer using a spotlight on his own property.

Perhaps Semp knows more details about this and can post a comment.

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Did you intend to omit possums, possumal?

In Kentucky, spotlighting is illegal with or without a gun except for coons, possums, frogs and fish. Farmers can use artificial lights while doing legitimate agricultural chores only.
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on June 05, 2011, 07:08 AM:
 

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Heck, I've heard stories of guys peeing in the bushes or on the side of the hi-way, and after getting arrested and court and all, they have to register a sex offenders. Maybe 49, Del, or Lungbuster will weigh in. I try to show prudence before passing judgement.

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Heck, I've heard stories of guys peeing in the bushes

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4949, you may have me there, I can not back any of this with proof or facts. It was something I heard, and thankfully never experienced. Though I am guilty of urinating on several hiways, but I never "snake" anyone, I always try to be as discrete as possible. I'm sure many passerby's know what is going on either way.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on June 05, 2011, 09:13 AM:
 
I guess I can't personally see what one has to do with the other. The "World Calling Contest" that was held down there has nothing at all to do with hunting anyway. It is more a "musical instrument" contest. Who can toot their flute the best in a judges opinion. So I personaly don't care how many hunting violations a person has, they can still win a musical contest.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 05, 2011, 09:54 AM:
 
3 Toes, good point. It's coyote American Idol. Coyote karaoke, if you will.

But, (there's always a but) if you were a company that made products for HUNTING, would you want to sponsor a contest, musicsl or not, that was filled with poachers and slob hunters?

We've already determined that Jason Groseclose was not found guilty of poaching, so, when I speak of poachers or people violating hunting laws I am not speaking about him, I am speaking of the public in general.

[ June 05, 2011, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on June 05, 2011, 10:17 AM:
 
"So I personaly don't care how many hunting violations a person has"

Me either.

That sorry piece of shit Klinton was fuckin ole Monica for who knows how long in the white house. And he is still a democrat hero.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 05, 2011, 10:25 AM:
 
I wouldn't want them (contest participants) held to a higher standard than U.S. Senators, or sitting Presidents, or any member of Congress, or even a State Governor or Mayor of a large city convicted on dope charges.

Hey, how about current Cabinet members cheating on their taxes? Can the Sec. of Homeland Security be prosecuted for lying, or incompetence? Incompetence? How about our HNIC?

smithers, I think you may be just a touch too sanctimonious. I'm just saying...
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 05, 2011, 11:15 AM:
 
Maybe I am sanctimonious. But you're emotionally fragile and OLD!
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 05, 2011, 11:24 AM:
 
Game law violations? Really?

How about a speeding ticket or such?

Kyle Bush was stopped doing 140 mph a week or so ago, should his sponsors drop him and have him kicked out of nascar?

He who is without sin, cast the first stone...
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 05, 2011, 11:37 AM:
 
Good points Tom........I say leave the man alone.
 

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Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on June 05, 2011, 11:46 AM:
 
I wanna judge the Miss Teen USA contest. or fer that matter and Miss contest.
Carl
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 05, 2011, 11:47 AM:
 
Semp, sorry to leave out the possum hunting, but nobody has tried to tree me yet. In the case of the farmer, I'd say looking after his livestock and property would be considered agricultural activity for the purpose of satisfying the regulations.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 05, 2011, 01:31 PM:
 
I expect Kyle Bush to do 140 mph everywhere he goes on or off the track, I expect a rock star to do lines of coke off a hooker's or groupie's ass. I don't expect a well known hunter, no matter who it is, to shoot game illegally.

[ June 05, 2011, 01:32 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by DanS (Member # 316) on June 05, 2011, 01:52 PM:
 
I just re-read you earlier post.

nevermind

[ June 05, 2011, 01:55 PM: Message edited by: DanS ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 05, 2011, 02:10 PM:
 
You expect others to break the law but not a "well known hunter"?

I was guilty of not wearing orange during muzzleloading season while I was bow hunting. No wonder I've not made it to any field staff positions yet.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 05, 2011, 02:50 PM:
 
YOU'RE GOING TO HELL...
No I don't expect a well known hunter to POACH.
P-O-A-C-H. There's a big difference between not wearing orange and not plugging your shotgun or having a 95 round clip when you're only allowed a 68 round clip and P-O-A-C-H-I-N-G! Illegally killing animals, out of season. I was a bit too sanctimonious, as Leonard puts it, when I broad brushed and said violations. I am changing my story, mid-fucking- thread and don't care. I'm readying myself for a political campaign or some shit.
I expect Kyle Bush to do 140. I don't expect him to violate the rules WHILE HE IS RACING!

Edit: to make my post somewhat coherent.

[ June 05, 2011, 02:52 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 05, 2011, 03:06 PM:
 
Semp, neither of us mentioned that you can't hunt coyotes in Kentucky at night, period. They have changed the regulations several times over the years. They used to allow night vision devices or hunting by moonlight, but no spotlights. Since they have got so protective of deer and elk, they just cut it out completely. The thing that bothers me the most is they won't even let a farmer get a special permit to allow a coyote hunter to help him out with predation problems on his livestock. Something is wrong with that thinking.
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2011, 03:57 PM:
 

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I was guilty of not wearing orange during muzzleloading season while I was bow hunting. No wonder I've not made it to any field staff positions yet.

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Tom you are also guilty of not reading the DNR rule book or perhaps you don't play by the rules either.
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on June 05, 2011, 04:09 PM:
 
Tim. shut up!!!!!!! never shot a coyote out the window in Minn.???????
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2011, 04:16 PM:
 
Only in S.D Bear...
 

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on June 05, 2011, 04:32 PM:
 
well. this one time,in band camp
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 05, 2011, 05:26 PM:
 
One time at bear camp... I stuck a bucket of honey in my...

Bearhunter! You were at bear camp, not band camp.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 05, 2011, 07:11 PM:
 
LOL. careful smithers you might pop a vein or something. I know what you meant but it's my duty to create havoc and chaos.

Ya Tim me and 4 others were hunting on a bow only hunting area and I guess none of us even thought about it. I mean this was way before inlines and TC's hunting shows, no one I knew owned a muzzleloader but I was guilty.

Certainly not my worst offense but one of my dumbest.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on June 05, 2011, 07:17 PM:
 
Funny thing about shooting out the window...

Last week I was in a gun shop looking at cans. The guy suggested I needed one to hunt coyotes. I told him they were illegal to hunt coyotes with and he was shocked, well first he thought I was crazy, it's just a coyote.

Anyway I explained how using a can will turn a misdameanor into a felony. He said something about that's his biggest selling point and most shot out the window, who cares, it's just a coyote.

I reminded him a felony meant you can't own guns anymore and all he had to say was don't let that get around would you? I won't go back there.

edit to add; He was strongly against any kind of poaching and was a true hunter!

[ June 05, 2011, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: TOM64 ]
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2011, 07:35 PM:
 
No biggy Tom, I was just funning with ya.

But the way things are theses days a hunter can't be too carefull and some of the laws on the books are there to protect us and others and its important to know what they are before heading out into the field, you could be saveing youre own life..
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 05, 2011, 08:27 PM:
 
Tim, shooting a coyote out the window in S.D is your only gamelaw violation?
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 05, 2011, 08:45 PM:
 
LOL .. No Geordie! I was just stateing that I have done it in S.D. back in the early 90's. Its legal to do it there, and not legal here in Mn. so i don't do it.. Its not that hard to step out of the truck and go prone or shoot over the hood, which is legal here..

I have had one game violation though, the zipper on my gun case was open about 6" due to the zipper being broke and it was cheaper to pay a fine if I got caught than to get another gun case, so I took my chance and got caught..
We finaly did away with the case law for my area so no worries..
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 06, 2011, 04:48 AM:
 
My friend, at band camp, was arrested fir having his zipper open 6" and was, like, arrested for having an illegally captive anaconda and/ or something like that. The story was kind of muddled after they water boarded him, I guess they did a real number on him. I think it was a set up. They raided his house and arrested his dad for an illegal spitting cobra. Story was, his zipper was 6" down too. Anyway...

Edited: because I proof read AFTER the fact

[ June 06, 2011, 04:50 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 06, 2011, 06:29 AM:
 
So Tim.....recieving a citation is the only thing that makes one guilty of a game violation in your eyes??
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 06, 2011, 08:40 AM:
 
I can't wait to see TA wiggle outta this one

I'm sure I have done a thing or 20 that I could have been cited for in the past. Small shit like not emptying the chamber in between stands, while hunting at night and not calling. Here, in MI, when you are not calling you are supposed to empty the gun. I have walked 1/8 of a mile with one in the chamber. Guilty!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 06, 2011, 08:59 AM:
 
Uh oh...... t-bag is a poacher......there goes your unblemished title of mr coyote.....will you be uncrowned as the reigning king of coyotes?
 

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Posted by tlbradford (Member # 1232) on June 06, 2011, 09:28 AM:
 
How are you expected to shoot out your window with an unloaded gun in the truck? I swear, the laws are getting ridiculous.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 06, 2011, 10:03 AM:
 
tlbradford, you are too damn logical!

JD, scandal creates interest. I wanna see him 2- peat!
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on June 06, 2011, 06:45 PM:
 
I guess it depends on what eye I'm looking through at the time..

What makes them guilty is when the judge looks over the evidence and says they are guilty..

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 06, 2011, 07:20 PM:
 

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No t-bag......that just means they will have consequences for the thing that they are already guilty of. You have no moral compass do you.

I was starting to have hope for you t-bag....hell, Lance even gave you back your capitol t......but then you posted and spewed LIBERAL all over the place again......

BTW...LB.....you'll notice that I didn't drop a single F bomb in this post.....the 12 step program is working.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 06, 2011, 08:41 PM:
 
Yes, JD, I take notice and particular satisfaction You have been a project for quiet a while.

Shh, don't say anything, let Dan (edit: the man) find it, that's what we are paying him for...

gh/lb

[ June 06, 2011, 08:42 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 07, 2011, 04:52 AM:
 
Fuck bombs or not, you still have some kind of stalking love for TA16Bremlinton... Ebony and ivory lived together in perfect disharmony, side by side in the truck, go ahead, shoot out the window, why don't we...
 

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Posted by jasonpredhunter (Member # 3843) on June 08, 2011, 10:31 AM:
 
Well, Randy Shaw called a few days ago and let me know I'd become famous or better yet "infamous" on a site called Huntmasters. I don't really have a lot of time to spend on the internet, but I thought I'd check out what people were saying. It took a couple days to get registered or I would have posted sooner...I'm the "Infamous" Jason Groseclose this thread was written about, even though it has gotten off course from what I was reading. Just to clear things up for my boy Smithers, who apparantly likes to hang out behind the grapevines...

I took a newbie hunting back in 2009, a couple counties over from where I live. He called and said he wanted to learn to predator hunt and that he had several farms secured to hunt and asked if we could get together one night and hunt. I said yes, and proceeded to drive the hour and a half up and meet the guy. In VA you have to have written permission to use a spotlight at night to hunt but only oral permission during the day. When I'm getting permission from the farms I hunt, I get the landowner to say "Myself and hunting party", and that covers us all. I never know who I'm going to be hunting with so that covers our ass. This guy said he already had the permission, so I trusted him, and didn't have any reason not too. Didn't even really think about it because we had turkey hunted a lot in the past. I was too busy worrying bout killin' coyotes. Guess that's where I f'd up. We went hunting and got back to the truck, after not even seeing a set of eyes, and headed out the driveway. Then we see blue lights and it's the trout trooper who had been laying in wait after he saw us scanning with a red light. He heard the calls too, I think I was using cottontail and crow that night. Apparantly my new hunting partner had first, not gotten WRITTEN permission, only oral permission. Second, he was on the neighboring farm which shared a driveway. Not much you can do in a situation like that other than man up and take a ticket. I was guilty because of my stupidity. THIS IN MY EYES AND THE LAW's EYES IS NOT POACHING THOUGH! Poaching is the illegal killing of animals. I didn't think it was that big of a deal, trust me Smithers, I don't have to POACH to kill shit. Also, I'm a farmer and run close to a 1,000 head of cattle. We calve out about 500 cows a year, so I can promise you one thing, there will always be a spotlight and a gun in my truck no matter what. If that makes me up to no good, then so be it. From Feb-Apr I'm shining fields all hours of the night checking cows, and kill several 'yotes sneaking in and cleaning up the afterbirth. That's how I make my living. If they want to write tickets for that too, I guess the 'ol Deer Deputies hand is gonna get tired. Keep an eye out Smithers, I might get another one!!! That was my first ticket in 20 some years of hunting, but I might be on a roll!

Throughout this post 'ol Smithers has called me a Poacher, compared me to a PEDOPHILE, a nascar driver, and a coke-sniffing rock-star. I'd love for you to call me any of those to my face but I'm sure it's like most of the forums, you're a keyboard commando at his best. Also called me a well-known hunter. Who the hell knows me, I live back in the middle of the appalachain mountains and come from a town with a population of 600. I'm far from well known.

I know you were earlier referring to your motives, I'd like to hear those. You never did mention what they were????????

Not that I owe YOU any explanation at all, but as a matter of fact, Mr. Scurry who put on the competition know's all about it. I consider him a good friend and he knows me and my character. I personally think there are a SHIT-TON of hypocritical a-hole's out there that only enjoy negativity. I won the competition last year and finished 2nd this year, and will be in Waco next year. Come on down Smithers, you might enjoy the contest. Heck, even compete unless it's not your "cup of tea".

I sure hope Smithers doesn't get ahold of my speeding tickets, he'll be assuming and posting all over the internet that I was running from the police after robbing a bank or maybe I had kidnapped a bus-load of orphans and running from the cops! If you got any other problems with my style of doing sh$t, you just let me know.

To everyone else, I really appreciate you having the common sense to know how situations like this only spark rumors. I appreciate you guys having my back, even though you don't even know me. I look forward to checking out the forum more, if I'm not kicked off on my first post! LOL

Take care smithers, I'll let ya in on something. You have to be careful hanging out behind those grapevines though. My momma grew up down the road from a vineyard and told me that their were a couple queer boys down the road that used to sneak in the vineyard and hide behind the grapevines and do the their thing. I hope that's not what you were doing in there!!! Either way, that's YOUR business though, and of no concern to me.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on June 08, 2011, 10:58 AM:
 
Welcome Jason!

I think you will do just fine here!

Good luck in your future calling contests.

Nikonut
 

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Posted by 22-250 (Member # 36) on June 08, 2011, 11:17 AM:
 
Hope you enjoy this forum and good luck. Hopefully you will run into smithers one day soon. Best of Luck.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 11:30 AM:
 
First off, Jason, I read that your ticket was for poaching. I asked a simple question. I got the answer from Randy Shaw. Apparently you skipped the posts where I said I was satisfied with the answer and it was a BS ticket. The references to pedophiles and coke sniffing were not about you. Learn to comprehend a sentence.

If you wanna fly off the handle and shit talk, go ahead. If it makes you feel better, more power to you. But, know this, and BELIEVE IT, I'm no keyboard commando. You should know who you are talking shit to before you step in it. Have a better day, okay?

Edit: I had a pretty good tirade going but erased it and decided to take the "somewhat high road".
If you're gonna talk shit, make it worth my while. Provide addresses and phone numbers.

[ June 08, 2011, 11:42 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by jasonpredhunter (Member # 3843) on June 08, 2011, 12:05 PM:
 
I ain't the one talkin' shit there killer. I believe that would be you. Before I would go post something slanderous about someone I don't know on the internet that I've "read" somewhere, i'd be checking the facts. I don't care if anyone likes me or not. I'm not trying to "get big" or make a name for myself whatsoever in the hunting business. I compete in a contest or two and sell a few calls and other than that, just hunt. Buy the calls or not, it's no big deal, I make a living by other means. I'm not gonna sell out and kiss ass and act like something I'm not just to try to seek the approval of something like you.

For instance, how would you take it if I posted a thread saying, "Guys, I don't know if there's any truth to it or not, but I coulda swore I read it somewhere that Smithers was a raging homosexual....Anybody know anything about that??? I don't know him or anything, but just wondering."

And on the matter of whether or not you're a keyboard commando, I don't know you, why shouldn't I just go ahead and start making false assumptions about you?? You did about me!
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 08, 2011, 12:31 PM:
 
LOL....Welcome Jason. I worked around Bland Va for a year and a half. After Randy's description of you, and your county of origin, I'll bet on you for the cage match....lol.

Maintain
 

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 08, 2011, 12:34 PM:
 
Jason, welcome to Huntmasters. I think that most of us read Randy's post and that satisfactorily answered any concerns we had. Threads do have a tendency of going in four or five directions here, but mostly in fun.

Good hunting at ya!
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 12:35 PM:
 
You already made accusations about my sexuality in your first post... Is that slanderous? You can assume and post whatever the fuck you want about me, I'm a man, I can take it.

Maybe the way I went about it was wrong. No use crying over spilled milk.

Semp said there we rumors flying around the 2011 competition. I didn't hear about you pounding lumps on anyone there.

Read! I asked a question. I never made any accusations.

Edit: Cage match? Bets? Will do! I'm in.

[ June 08, 2011, 12:41 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 12:43 PM:
 
Welcome to The New HuntmastersBBS.com, jason. Glad to have you on board.

I'm sorry I didn't approve your application sooner, but for some reason, I didn't get email notification until yesterday?

As I recall, hardly anybody agreed with smithers, and when AR Shaw vouched for you, that was good enough for me.

I got a citation back in the 60's for walking into a geese pasture from the back side, while pheasant hunting. I remember seeing a couple of white stakes, possibly a foot high but had no clue as to their meaning. I think it cost me $25 but I felt like it was a bum deal.

gh/lb
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 12:49 PM:
 
Okay, we can set up a match at the campout. No rules except no biting. LB
 

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Posted by jasonpredhunter (Member # 3843) on June 08, 2011, 12:56 PM:
 
Thanks for the welcome everybody. Good group of guys I can tell.

CrossJ, where were you working around Bland? As you know, not much in that part of the country. I live about an hour from there now. Small world.

As far as cage matches, what's the purse??? LOL

Leonard, thanks for the welcome. I was starting to think I didn't make the cut, LOL. As far as walking into the geese pasture, that IS a bum deal. If you hunt long enough, stuff like that happens though.

Thanks again for the add to your site.

[ June 08, 2011, 01:00 PM: Message edited by: jasonpredhunter ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 01:06 PM:
 
Bring the pick axes and shovels there may be a burial. The purse? The winner gets to take another breath without a ventilator.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 01:09 PM:
 
LOL, BRB, inspiration on custom title.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 01:14 PM:
 
Yes!! The half chub one was kinda lame. Thanks!

Edit: I would prefer keyboard sociopath... But, ya can't always get what ya want.

[ June 08, 2011, 01:20 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on June 08, 2011, 01:32 PM:
 
Jason, I did nutritional work for mennel milling(roanoke city mills) based out of Roanoke. I travelled as far west as wythville, east to Galax. I worked some in Mt. airy, Sparta and ennice N.C. also. I ended up working mostly with dairies and I hated it. The country was beautiful, and the people were great. I just needed to get ack to the center of the universe....lol. I do miss the new river and the small mouth, as well as the native trout in all those creeks.

Maintain
 

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Posted by jasonpredhunter (Member # 3843) on June 08, 2011, 01:42 PM:
 
Cross J, my uncle worked for Mennel Mills too. He was a salesman/field rep and went around to the farms in about the same areas. His name was Mac Buchanan, not sure if ya'll were around at the same time or not. He started there probably back in the late 90's or early 00's I think. Real small world!
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 01:44 PM:
 
Nikonut:

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I missed this... Where I live, it's totally legal to use NV or a spotlight. In fact, I COULD use a 2 trillion candlepower spotlight, night vision, moonlight or my own personal sun, all at the same time, as long as I can hold it in my hand. It's legal, it's not a way of thinking, as you suggest.

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Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on June 08, 2011, 04:05 PM:
 
welcome Jason and congrats on the contest win.
some guys here are brutal but they come around after a bit. over-all a purdy decent bunch of guys. what happened to is just that: it happened. no fault of your other than trusting someone which we all do. thanks for telling your side.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 04:11 PM:
 
No, no. smithers and JD are brutal and give the rest of us a bad name. Also Tom64½, don't want him to feel bad 'cause I left him out.

gh/lb
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on June 08, 2011, 04:24 PM:
 
Welcome to HM "other Jason", I see it didnt take you long to acclimate! LOL! Hope to see you guys again soon. The shindig is coming up next month... don't be a stranger!
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 08, 2011, 04:27 PM:
 
Welcome to HM Jason......don't listen to Leonardo.....I aint brutal at all...well.....maybe a little towards t-bag anderson and cops and game wardens and liberals and obama lovers and such.

So whats this I here about smitters being a queer? It must be true....I read it on the WWW..... I always suspected something was wrong with that guy.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 05:38 PM:
 
I have nothing against queers, except for what they do, and for starting a world wide panic about a male homosexual disease, and for raving about discrimination and insisting everybody worry about something completely preventable except for gay irresponsible habits. So, the rave focused attention on a segment of the population for which there was a solution, but medical research had to drop everything, like finding a cure for cancer or heart disease or something that affects many more millions of humans than AIDS, but did not enjoy the ravings of the Hollywood crowd to the same degree.

No, smithers, I have nothing against queers. I love them guys.

gh/lb

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 08, 2011, 06:08 PM:
 
Good deal, Leonard. I don't have anything against anyone unless they are too fucking stupid to realize how ignorant they sound when they make generalized statements about any group or person based solely on race, creed, color, gender or sexuality.
I don't feel the need to bash anyone to feel like a man or to be accepted by others. Who am I to judge?

Homo's...

[ June 08, 2011, 06:10 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 06:22 PM:
 
WHATEVER THAT MEANS? PUT ME DOWN AS HAVING NO SYMPATHY FOR QUEERS, OTHER THAN THAT, I'M NOT BASHING THEM, IF THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE INSINUATING?
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on June 08, 2011, 10:34 PM:
 
I reserve the right to hate anyone that is not a carbon copy of ME and people who have a name starting with a S or ending with a T.
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on June 08, 2011, 10:49 PM:
 
Yea exactly Dan, and I aint prejudice I hate all those bastards equally, and what gives someone the right to tell me that I dont have the right to hate a fag....they call me a hater but they are the ones who are hating the hater so which hate is worse......fuck em.....I hate them for hating me for being a hater. Bastards!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 08, 2011, 11:14 PM:
 
I'll tell you what's bullshit. Defining a "HATE CRIME". I mean, beating up a jew or a black, Mexican, etceteras. But, tacking on twenty years 'cause it's a "HATE CRIME" is.....what did I call it? Oh yeah. BULLSHIT. It only works one way, you know.

White man kills a black, it could very easily be a HATE CRIME. If a black man kills a white, there is no way in hell a DA would consider it as a HATE CRIME. None of that shit works in reverse. That would be classified GLOBAL WARMING before being charged with a HATE CRIME.

Okay, okay. What if I hate my ex daughter-in-law? What if I tell her to kiss my ass? Would that be, ah, never mind, I don't remember why hate crimes bug me?

Right now, it's smithers that bugs me. Mr Tough guy. Mr Poacher Snitcher. Mr two coyote lifetimer.

gh/lb

PS just kidding, he doesn't piss me off that much
 

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I am all that and more. Thank you, thank you. I'm gonna go punch a midget, sit out in my car waiting for a poacher and I'm gunnin' for big number 3.

People in general disgust me. I'd rather talk to you nerds behind a keyboard, than face to face. I wouldn't want you to see my eyes rolling with each word that is spewed from your vapid and vacant heads.

JD, go eat shit you twat...

Edited to say fuck this shit. I'm tired of typing. I'm going on another year long sabbatical. I'll check in once a month and see who's died in the intervening months.

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 09, 2011, 08:39 AM:
 
uh oh? Apparently, he's sensitive? Who knew? Come on, smithers, I will give you any title you want. How about "ADMINISTRATOR"? Fake, of course, but impressive nonetheless.

You can't leave! Since the executive order to leave Tim alone, you have to take up the slack. Man up!

gh/lb
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 09, 2011, 09:13 AM:
 
My threat to leave is bogus! Bogus I say! I was mocking cry babies that threaten to leave when people start to pick on them. They get all uptight.
I wouldn't leave because I was being picked on. I wouldn't leave even if you told me to. I'd stay just to irritate the piss outta you miserable old farts.
Who gives a shit? I have nothing to offer this site except for BS. You pricks know it ALL anyway

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 09, 2011, 09:37 AM:
 
Leonard, all the hate for queers seems to be directed toward the male homosexuals. What about the female members of that elite group?
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 09, 2011, 09:44 AM:
 
Possumal, Rosie O' Donnel or Portia de Rossi? There's a difference I have a double standard when it comes to male and females and I think women do too. Lesbians seem more acceptable to men...
 

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Posted by Ken (Member # 3065) on June 09, 2011, 10:02 AM:
 
I sure am glad I stayed around, I would have hated to leave an suffer the rath of Smithers and others!!!

Not sure who might be worse, Oracle or Smithers and his crew?

Tom64 renewed my hope in Huntmasters,by changing my name to Festus, nice timing Tom.

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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on June 09, 2011, 10:14 AM:
 
Smithers, I am not at all familiar with the Portia de Rossi "Lady" but I don't see how anybody could think that Rosie O'Donnel has a sex. She reminds me of a horrible creature, not sure what to call her.

Now, as for some of the lovely ladies who are in the lesbian group, most guys I have discussed this with have a tendency to believe they could bed down between two of them and change their persuasions. I believe they are more acceptable to men because they are only active at what most of us like to do too.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 09, 2011, 10:18 AM:
 
Ken, what in the heck are you talking about? I don't have a crew! I like you, you're full of piss and vinegar and stand your ground. I wasn't speaking of anyone on this board that cries

Possumal, yea, thinking of Rosie being sexual in any way initiates my gag reflex.

[ June 09, 2011, 10:28 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Cayotaytalker (Member # 1954) on June 09, 2011, 10:28 AM:
 
I've been a lesbian for 53 years.
 

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Posted by Ken (Member # 3065) on June 09, 2011, 10:36 AM:
 
OH shit Smithers, old age has taken it's toll upon me, I unfairly lumped you in with someone else. My humble apology.
 

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Posted by Inoculation (Member # 2229) on June 09, 2011, 12:17 PM:
 
HAHA that was a good read. I like all the accusations/slander/threats/homo talk/etc.

I need to stop by more often and read up on the goings on here.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on June 09, 2011, 12:40 PM:
 
Hey Al. I don't hate homos. However, I do think it's a mental illness.

I also am more tolerant of lesbians. I think a lot of men feel that all they need is a good fuck. Not my opinion, but if that Portia chick can change her mind, at least some of them are apparently reasonable?

A night in the sack with two Lesbos would probably kill me, but what the hey, you only live once? Include me in.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on June 09, 2011, 12:48 PM:
 
Inoculation, stay on topic! We're talking lesbians! Geez!
 

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