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Kokopelli
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posted May 14, 2011 05:07 PM
Ok............We have serious flooding along the Mississippi River. Flood gates are being opened based on tough decisions that will save some and sacrifice others. Just too much water.......in the wrong place.
We have a drought going into it's second decade here in the SouthWest. We really need water.
So.........Why would it be so complicated for our 'leaders' to build a pipeline from the Big River over this way?? They can pipe oil from Alaska.......How hard would it be to pipe floodwater??
A pipeline might create a few jobs, too.
Now; where to put a pipeline?? How about along the border where we're sort of building a fence anyway. Seems like a 20 foot diameter pipe would make a pretty decent fence.
This is America. We used to be able to do shit like this. We should still be able to.
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Leonard
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posted May 14, 2011 05:28 PM
koko, if you want to see what America is capable of, check out the Golden Gate Bridge, or Hoover Dam. Both built in the 30's, on time and under budget, both engineering marvels.
Here we are ten years after 9/11 and look at the progress at ground zero. Some of us old fossils may never see the completion.
For that matter, look at the Apollo moon project. You just couldn't duplicate it today in twice the time and four times the cost. Thanks government regs. EPA, etc.
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Leonard
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posted May 14, 2011 05:35 PM
Along those lines, look at Las Vegas. There is no more water for that city from the Colorado River, they are maxed out and I have always wondered where in the hell they are going to get the water for the huge population growth.
I will tell you where. Drill baby drill. They are sinking water wells in the northern part of that state and building pipelines to Vegas. Serious wells and huge volume of water. I don't know what the potential may be except it could rival what happened in the Owens Valley a hundred years ago. They are going to suck the whole state dry to satisfy the gambling industry in Las Vegas.
Ranchers up north aren't going to be too happy when their wells run dry. Wait and see.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted May 14, 2011 11:11 PM
LB,not so sure about the huge population growth. I mean there for awhile Vegas was growing like weed.
I have read about a pipeline coming down from up north.
The ranchers or anyone who lives out on the rule route no longer have a voice in the state of Nevada. And that's a shame because there just about the only ones that still vote right.
The voice of Nevada is Vegas,Reno and Carson City.
There's a good chance I'm full of it on this one but I would not be surprised if Vegas be came Nevada's state capital.
Koko,not a pipe a canal with some mean ass gators in it that are racist of course.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 15, 2011 11:09 AM
I thought deserts are suppose to be dry....
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DanS
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posted May 15, 2011 11:17 AM
Area's that are presently deserts were not always that way Tim. I believe water had something to do with the formation of the Grand Canyon, for example.
Other than cost and politics, I don't see why an attempt to divert flood waters to drier regions couldn't be investigated.
Cost and politics may be too big of a issue though.
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Kokopelli
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posted May 15, 2011 12:31 PM
There's different degrees of 'dry'. We normally have about 4.25 inches of rain by this time of year. We've gotten about 1/4 inch so far. The desert can support an amazing amount of life, but it does take enough water to grow the stuff the food chain relies on.
As far as cost goes; the Talking Heads on the news are saying up to 3000 square miles flooded 25 foot deep. Small cities will be under water. Can't even imagine what the cost of that will be.
I wouldn't think that politics would be a huge deal either. Many of the Southern Democrats are more conservative than some left coast Republicans.
Create jobs, reduce flooding, secure our border, and bring water to the south-west. Everybody wins. Hell, Obama could even appoint a Pipeline Czar and take credit for the whole thing.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 15, 2011 01:52 PM
The pipe-line couldbe done but whats really important is where are you going to store all the water?? They would have to build a pretty good size reservoir to hold it in and that means giveing up some land for it and possably one of youre favorite coyote hunting spots.
For pipe size I'd say 20' in dia is going to be a little too big, no way are you going to move that much water and just imagine how big the pumps at the lift station would have to be and cost to keep them pumping if you could...
Depending on the lay of the land a canal would be useless. They would have to come up with a way to get the water up hill in some places which means lift stations which adds more to the cost and also maintenance...
As for the water itself I'm not sure if you want to be drinking what is mostly run off from the northern states which consists of agg. land where lots of chemicals get flushed into the rivers along with treated water from the sewage plants and so on..
You would be better off just building small collection points along youre drainage systems..
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Kokopelli
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posted May 15, 2011 03:27 PM
Resevoirs we got. Water to put in them......not so much.
Not saying that a pipe (or a moat) would be easy to do but this is the country that built the most awesome plane that ever existed, the SR-71 BlackBird, without using computers. Slide rules & drafting tools & the balls to do it. Does anybody even remember how to read a slide rule anymore?? A pipe line can't be that hard to Git-er-Done.
One thing that I do know; If it can happen once in nature, it can happen again...........and again.
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posted May 15, 2011 03:49 PM
Let’s see, a 20' pipe will handle about 500,000 gallons per minute, the flood flows are 800,000 cubic feet per second or 360,000,000 gallons per minute. That would be a monumental feat.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted May 15, 2011 04:14 PM
The blue collar work force can get it done that's for damn sure.Just get those suck ass ceo's out of our way. And get the the dip shits in DC out of the works and turn us lose,it will get done.
I was on a pipe line job back in 2000 we were just out side of King Man Arizona,and just off of old route 66.The job was a clean out and pressure test Job.We used to Pack air with a V12 Detroit and we had four flat beds With two big ass compressors on them.We had to push water over the Black Mountains but we got it done.
The job did get a little real from time two time with all the high pressure and so fouth. One night when that water came down off one of the mountains One of the pumps I was helping out on damn near came apart a few bolts blew out water was spraying out all over the place. And we had to get the thing out of gear so the water would just flow on it's on.
So a pipe line might be better and along the way the water that is under pressure could spin a turbine or two along the way and make some electricty.
Hey I can't help but think this post was made just for fun to see who would bite.
But I for one still think that blue collar America can still get it done just untie our hands and turn us lose.
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DanS
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posted May 15, 2011 04:19 PM
It'll only move about 500,000 gallons per minute.
It's not enough to totally stop a flood, but maybe enough to help, and provide much needed water to an area that is drier than an popcorn fart.
If you mention wind or solar powered, or even perpetual motion, those Democrats might be all over it and Obama might make you the Czar, then you might get a Nobel prize? Could happen!
This task, they might take on, but building a fence is far too hard.
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Leonard
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posted May 15, 2011 05:11 PM
The wells in northern NV, it's mostly downhill to Lake Mead, that's the logical place to dump it.
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jwelk
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posted May 16, 2011 07:23 AM
Hey Cayotaytalker was that the Black Mesa pipeline? I grew up in Kingman,and have welded on the Black Mesa pipeline.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted May 16, 2011 09:35 AM
This gas pipe line belongs to Williams gas pipe line company.Tt's an old 16 inch line laid back in 1956 or 57 there abouts.
It runs right though the Fort Mohave Res and just north of Oat man and close to King man but on the south side.And along I-40.I spent a few nights just right off of the Fort Rock exit.That was my first time to ever see cleaning pigs fly come out of a pipe. from there it kinda runs near Ash Fork and then Angles off behind Flag Staff.I was over around Tuba City when I got layed off.most of been the only time I was glad to be sent home.
There is one pipe line that was laid near king Man that ran near Oat Man layed in the 90's.
I was on the Kern River pipe line in late 2004 and early 2005. Got on that one at mesquite Nevada and worked it on in to the north side of Vegas.
I guess I could of just said that the black Mesa does not ring a bell. There were a lot of were alot of welders on that Williams pipe line.
I like king Man and know my way around there a little. I spent 17 years in Bullhead City.
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posted May 16, 2011 07:34 PM
The Black Mesa used to run coal slurry from Kayenta AZ to the powerplant in Laughlin.I acutally grew up in Golden Valley my family has a ranch there and was one of the first people to live in Golden Valley.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted May 16, 2011 08:08 PM
Thank you I have been trying to come up with the name Kayenta Arizona all day.I have been there and have seen the coal plant.
I never worked on that pipe line it was there way be for I ever got there. As far as I can tell there was only one coal slurry line. The one I know of go's across the river near the old Fort Mohave area.There are signs there that read do not dredge are anger in area.
That coal fire plant is shut down right now.But that plant was made in are started around about 1974 or 1975.
My uncle was going to work on that plant but the boilermakers went out on strike.I guess he went some place else to work.
Hiway 68 is now a four lane I got to work on that job. Even got to help out with some blasting.
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Leonard
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posted May 16, 2011 09:06 PM
You should've asked me, I been around Kayenta Black and Second Mesa once or twice. In fact, my cousin's husband worked on that job, too. Ironworker.
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posted May 16, 2011 09:30 PM
I saw a show tonight about Cal. Aquaduct it was pretty interesting to see how they get there water supply. What was really cool was how they get the water to run up hill with-out the use of pumps or lift stations...anyway it was worth the time to watch it...
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Leonard
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posted May 16, 2011 10:45 PM
You know, almost every major city in the world is located on the coast or on a river. Los Angeles was nothing a hundred years ago, all the population centers were back east. That Sierra snowpack supplies a good percentage of the water than made LA the second largest city in America.
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Cayotaytalker
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posted May 17, 2011 07:13 AM
Southern California Edison used to run that coal fire plat there in Laughlin Nevada.
An iron head huh,iron workers or the hardest workers out there. I have only met two I could stand but have a ton of respect for them. I used to be a laborer so that might say it all.
LB, I would bet you have called down around Laughlin back in the 70's. Laughlin might not of been it's name. But were you ever down along the river and ever go to that old bate and tackle shop? It later be came the River Side Casino. Of course that was long before I ever got there.
The one place I did like was Dell Webb's Nevada Club. On friday night you could get all you could eat sea food for a about 6.99. They even had lobster tails.Dell Webb sold that place for about 7.5 mill.
The city of angels has a ton of history.
When I was a kid my number one goal was to make it to So Cal and be a surfer.Well I never got that done.Of course I can't help to chuckle every time I think of that.
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posted May 18, 2011 07:22 PM
I worked on the highway 68 job too, we built all the fence.
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posted May 19, 2011 11:02 AM
jwelks,it's a small world,well then you know how wide open and wild it is around there. I have caught alot of fish out of Lake Mohave and out of the river. But to bad so sad I was not in to predator calling. I was already in Vegas when I found out about Predator calling.I was there for around 17 years and never saw all the back country. I still think a guy could call up a lot of bob cats and coyotes around there.
The 68 job was good for me I got 14 months out of that outfit.
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