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Topic: something's fishy about the raid?
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2011 11:06 AM
Okay, all we have to go by is what the Administration tells us and then what they retract, or elaborate on.
We first heard about a 40 minute firefight, using women as a shield and bin Laden exchanging shots with the Seals, or at least that was the implication.
Okay, later we are told that the Seals first saw Bin Laden down the hallway on the third floor when he stuck his head out of the doorway. They shot at him but missed, right?
Now, here is where the plot thickens. One version was that he was armed then he wasn't armed but reaching for a weapon.
Now, think about this. He already knew there were forces in the hallway, so presumably, he closes the door, trapped like a rat with no way out.
Explain to me why he would be "reaching for a weapon, (one of two) that were "close to the door"? Here were troops shooting at him in the hallway and he lays his weapons down by the door?
Here's what I think. He did this with the motive to surrender. He was (who knows how far) away from his weapons? They weren't in his hands, by the accounts we have been told. Troops busting down the door and he stacked his weapons in the corner?
What this tells me is he was ready to give up, he couldn't toss his AK out the window, (what window) so he deliberately left them somewhere between himself and the visitors.
Does this sound like he intends to fight to the death? So, the wife ran to the Seals, probably pleading for his life and they shot her and shot him, with his hands up, or at least submissively.
The Seals weren't buying it. They might have felt that taking him hostage was easier said than done, what with the Pakistani West Point a half mile away. So, more than likely, they had a game plan to kill him no matter what, easier that way.
I think bin Laden was as surprised as he could be that the Seals were in no mood for hostage taking, but he wanted to surrender.
I have not seen anything in the media that explains this, although they have been asking a bunch of questions and getting vague answers. Might be too radical a concept, a Liberal would never understand a scenario such as I describe.
Tell me where I'm wrong?
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Lone Howl
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posted May 10, 2011 11:39 AM
Cripes...lost my post..and Im to lazy to retype.
Mark
[ May 10, 2011, 11:43 AM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2011 12:43 PM
A worst tease than that blond chick at the post office with the big jugs!
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4949shooter
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posted May 10, 2011 12:48 PM
Leonard, I don't think you are wrong at all. Personally, I think they just shot him in his bed. This might explain why the wife was hit. I don't think the SEALS ever intended to take him hostage, or give him a chance. Think about it...if you were a SEAL, would you?
It's kind of like when Frank Hamer and his men took down Bonnie and Clyde. They opened up on the duo with Browning Automatic Rifles, and Remington semi auto's. The official report said they were reaching for their weapons. Yeah right. Frank Hamer never gave them a chance.
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GC
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posted May 10, 2011 01:00 PM
Who cares? Some people just need to be killed. He wrote his death certificate on 9-11-2001. Long overdue in my book... ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2011 01:02 PM
I saw the movie. They didn't have a chance. Chickenshit cops. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
But, if you think about my theory, there is absolutely no reason in the world why he would not have had a gun in his hand, if he intended to go out a martyr and get that 72 virgin bonus.
He gave up and they capped him.
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2011 01:08 PM
You are missing the point, GC. We have the charge from multiple sources that it was murder. I don't go that far, but it wasn't done like we are being spoon fed the information. As with so much about the Obama White House, their credibility is very low. They lie like a rug. So, it's not so much, "who cares" but another in a series of complete falsehoods they tell us with a straight face.
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posted May 10, 2011 01:33 PM
To me it is hard to believe anything that has been spoon fed to the liberal media from the liberals in power. I believe very little of what we are being told. Hell for all I know Osama dies years ago and we just found out so our great president decided to capitalize on the newly found info. I truly do not know what to believe anymore, but I sure in the hell do not believe what is coming from out president or the media.
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UTcaller
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posted May 10, 2011 01:34 PM
Yeah that is so true Leonard. You could say this group of deceivers,is the Anti-Bush Administration.
Everything Bush did was Wrong,Evil,Un-American,immoral etc.
Whereas The Obama Administration Can do no wrong,they are so heroic,have such Moral conviction,and character.
WHAT A JOKE!!!! lol
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Lone Howl
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posted May 10, 2011 01:51 PM
I also believe it was a kill mission...nothing more, nothing less, as it should be. Dont know why they just didnt come out and say that in the beginning.
And..if some say it was murder..so what? I believe in the death penalty for premeditated murder, which is what bin laden did? So...justice served, mission accomplished.
On to the next asshole.
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UTcaller
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posted May 10, 2011 02:10 PM
I don't think it is disputed that he should have been killed.Glad he's gone.If in fact he is.LOL
Point is the total contradictions.
And why not read him his rights and put him on trial like they have been advocating. Killing him is so barbaric,and beneath us,we're above all that remember?
And if harsh interrogation tactics were used to get the information,that is wrong and shouldn't have been used Right?
And what about Holder and all these CIA agents being Prosecuted for using such tactics.
What a bunch of freaking hypocrites.
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posted May 10, 2011 02:33 PM
I'd have murdered him and taken his beard as a trophy to sell on eBay.
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Rich
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posted May 10, 2011 02:55 PM
"Yeah that is so true Leonard. You could say this group of deceivers,is the Anti-Bush Administration."
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The Anti American Administration seem more accurate to me. I don't believe that the raid went down like we hear from the media, but I do believe that they killed Bin Laden and that is good enough for me.
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Bofire
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posted May 10, 2011 02:56 PM
What I read is that the orders were to Kill him unless they were 100% sure he had no bombs or weapons of any kind. in other words be naked.
The order was based on an incident in Iraq where some guy was suposed to work with CIA and they trusted him, well he had a bomb on and killed himself and 7 agents.
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Lone Howl
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posted May 10, 2011 02:56 PM
Yes, mounted on one of them turkey beard mounting board thingys.
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Aznative
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posted May 10, 2011 03:02 PM
I wish they had captured him and sent him to a torture chamber in some 3rd world county where we still have a few chips to cash in. I would have tortured him next to the best EM room this banana republic shit hole has to offer. When he gets close to dying I'd tell them to stabilized him and bring him back. After doing this for 5,000 times, I'd kill'em and put the torture and kill videos up for sell on ebay.
I really believe the BO administration believes they screwed up with all of their promises to close gitmo and give these terrorist a regular trial instead of a military tribunal. They didn't need any more heat from the far left so they just had him killed. All of the various stories coming out just shows that they didn't get their act together to tell the same lie which is par for the course for this presidency. They cannot even lie correctly. At least the Clintons could do that right.
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TOM64
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posted May 10, 2011 03:14 PM
So basicly what you're saying LB, is you agree with Michael Moore?
There's lots of details to sort out so the credit goes to whoever then the blame can be redirected at any given moment...
He's dead and his card said dead or alive, no favors given, shoot on sight, all that good stuff.
Let's just use this as a model and move on to the next target. I don't care if he was on his knees praying to ala, he got popped and no one deserved it more.
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JD
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posted May 10, 2011 03:33 PM
I don't think any administration would've told the truth about what happened or what the plan was from the beginning.....I expect that sort of truth will just enrage the warm fuzzy liberal bitches in this country so why bother explaining.....just go in and kill the SOB any way you can and let the libs believe what they want....this whole thing is a debacle because the dumbshits have confused themselves in trying to figure out what lie will help them most in the election.
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Leonard
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posted May 10, 2011 03:34 PM
Let me repeat. I'm saying, he wasn't reaching for a weapon, he was surrendering.
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Dave Allen
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posted May 10, 2011 03:47 PM
Leonard, I thought you brought up good points.
I admit that I'm really confused, and obviously don't quite believe everything were told.
That being said you don't suppose he was already dead, and the body was sold to us ?
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JD
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posted May 10, 2011 05:34 PM
Ya know Dave, I'd love to laugh about that last statement but with this administration anything is believable.
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posted May 10, 2011 07:01 PM
I'm glad he's dead, now lets try obama for murder.
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JD
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posted May 10, 2011 07:30 PM
I like it Dan!! That's how you play by their rules!!
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TOM64
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posted May 10, 2011 07:37 PM
"Let me repeat. I'm saying, he wasn't reaching for a weapon, he was surrendering."
He had a kill on sight order, guess he picked a good day to surrender.
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Cdog911
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posted May 10, 2011 07:52 PM
Actually, Letterman made a good point last night. Three wives, and none of them had left the house for five or six years. SEALS walk in, Osama takes one look at the wives, then at the SEALS, and says, "Just shoot me. Please."
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