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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 07, 2011, 09:21 AM:
The HNIC and his administration are intent on spanking someone for using questionable tacticts to obtain the info that lead to bin ladens death.
Heres the link
My question is, who cares? Does anyone here have a pro or con either way.
I admit that when the Gitmo thing blew up in the news with broom handles being shoved up peoples asses and some of the other things that went on....I wasn't at all thrilled about that idea....but honestly I could give a shit if they waterboard someone or use any number of other mild torture techniques, I don't think we should be concerned with this stuff.
I also think the HNIC has gotten the publicity he wanted and took credit for bin laden and is now going to trash gitmo and close it down.....he got what he wanted and doesnt really give a shit about the US or our security.....that's the job of some czar anyway, right.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2011, 10:33 AM:
I never heard about broom handles.
The thing I want to comment on is the absurd idea that torture doesn't work. The guest of honor gives out bogus info and aren't we above that sort of thing?
The idiot liberals are just parroting theories they heard from an unimpeachable source like Move on .org.
Torture has been used effectively for eons, if not longer. Water-boarding, if you ask me, the terrorist should thank Allah that the CIA doesn't use really interesting techniques, like they do, such as beheading on a whim.
gh/lb
[ May 07, 2011, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on May 07, 2011, 01:14 PM:
The amazing thing to me is they got bin ladin DESPITE obama.
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on May 07, 2011, 01:27 PM:
I personally don't give a damn what they do to the enemy to get information. Pull their friggin fingernails out if that will work.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 07, 2011, 01:31 PM:
Holy cow, Geordie! That's an astute observation and you are right on. The dumb fuk dithered as he always does until events didn't change and suddenly he was on the spot, shit or get off the pot.
If he gets a reelection bump out of this deal, that would be a shame. He went far out of his way to claim complete credit when it was George Bush that had the balls to make the tough calls.
At least Conservatives have had the decency to congratulate Obama, something that would never have happened if Bush had accomplished the deed. That's what makes Liberals, Progressives and Democrats in general such poor MFers. Just think what this country could become, without those idiots continually throwing themselves under the wheels of progress.
gh/lb
[ May 07, 2011, 01:33 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Aznative (Member # 506) on May 08, 2011, 09:09 AM:
It is sad what this liberal administration is doing to our country. George W permits enhanced interogation and numb nuts comes along and now they are possibly going to prosecute those that followed the previous administrations policy. It isn't good enough to simply put out a memo to stop it. They are threatening to prosecute those that believed what they were doing was the right thing to do. The ramifications of this is all CIA officers will now be very hesitant to perform intense interogations even if permitted within the current guidelines because they cannot predict what the next dumb ass will do. The HNIC doesn't deserve to be an ass wipe for those in the Military or the CIA.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 08, 2011, 09:53 AM:
To answer the original question, YES. A lot of people care. The legions of cheering Americans last Sunday night prove conclusively that getting ObL was up front on everyone's radar, and everyone needs to be made aware that without enhanced interrogation techniques, it simply would not have happened.
The American people - those who think BO is so great and all - need to be shown that it was George W. Bush's policies which laid the groundwork for the intelligence community to go after and secure the intel that led to his capture and killing. The announcements in recent days that report that information gleaned from seized materials at his "compound" further demonstrate that ObL has been directly involved in continued terrorist activities since 9-11 and that he was involved in coordinating future attacks as well. Help the blind to understand that in the absence of W's policies, we would know none of that, nor would we be able to take the proactive, preemptive actions being taken by our military as you read this to ensure that these people are not able to complete their missions. No one will ever get credit for preventing an attack that never happens, but they deserve it nonetheless.
Obama is and will continue to use last Sunday's events to bolster his political position. We need to make sure that no attempt on his part to do this goes unanswered by repeating time and again that killing Osama was, in fact, the results of the previous administration's foresight rather than the current one's naivete and ignorance.
Publicly offered credit where credit is due.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 08, 2011, 12:04 PM:
Obama's spin meisters have been saying for days, that it was a "mosaic" of sources that lead to the bin Laden operation. Translation: torture didn't help. Complete and utter bullshit!
Full speed ahead with the prosecution of the CIA interrogators that finally got something out of "hairy back" after over 200 waterboardings. Now, it seems obvious to anybody besides a Liberal, that you aren't going to get anything of value from this asshole by playing good cop, bad cop.
I'm sure they will revive withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan and closing Gitmo. The damage these people have done is hard to calculate. To give Obama another four years is ....I don't know? Disastrous?
gh/lb
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on May 08, 2011, 12:24 PM:
I told my wife from the very first day of the bin laden cleansing, that give it a few days and this guy( Obama bin laden) will throw Seal Team 6( which I think the name is a little misinformation thrown out there,, probly aint no "Team 6") under the bus somehow. Sure enough, after they blew the story, they say there was crappy communication from the team after it was over, among other things. What bullshit. If you sit in an air conditioned room and watch the whole thing go down, there aint no getting it wrong, and even if there was a blackout in communication, they had a week at least(so they say) to spin the story, they couldnt even get that right.
Ride Bushes coattails and take credit, thats what this guy is good at.
This is the only situation that they can truly say with honesty... "Bush did it".
And Im tired of hearing about what a good actor or Pres is..keeping all this to himself, with a straight poker face..of course he has to..but also, yes, hes a great actor, thats how he got elected.
And,yes I care.
I cant wait till they throw every intel person under the bus, take em to trial, whatever, cause if this keeps up, they will not have any good men, or at least men willing to do the job that needs to be done, left to turn to when the shit hits the fan. Whos gonna join up in the future just to get outed and get your ass in a wringer in the end?
They are extremley lucky to have men with honor, skill and integrity,that volunteer and challenge themselves to be the best, and do whatever thier country asks them to do, (these people being Special Ops for the sake of this conversation)...to bad this current administration cant have just a thimble full of some of that.
Mark
[ May 08, 2011, 12:31 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on May 08, 2011, 12:36 PM:
I get to be wrong, but I don't believe that the faulty information came from the SEAL team. It came from the chicken shits who watched the action from safety of the Whitehouse.
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 08, 2011, 01:45 PM:
After re-reading my question it seams a little vague so let me rephrase it...Does anyone care that we use "torture" to get information or do you feel like Dan....anything goes.
I personally dont care if they screw with these buttholes heads to the point that they spend the rest of their lives lickin the bus windows and pissin their pants.....I don't think sadistic behavior just for the sake of being cruel is warranted but if these camel jockeys come out of the interrogation room covered in pig shit and missing a few fingernails......whatever works if it means we get solid useable info to get rid of more terrorist leaders.
btw....Cheney is givin the HNIC hell for these CIA probes, I believe he called it an outrage! I like him.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 08, 2011, 02:09 PM:
Alright, to the clarified question: Nope. Don't care. America and Americans are built on a balance between tolerance and ambivalence. In other words, it is our national charm that we don't give a shit what you do on your own time as long as it doesn't affect me, and do whatever you want to as long as it doesn't encroach on the rights of others and you assume responsibility for yourself, your own needs, and your own problems. We have lost sight of that, whether you're an Islamist or a green weenie animal rights nut job envirowhacko. Islamists, or muslims, or whatever you want to call them, along with liberals who feel they need to enable this aberrant behavior through entitlement programs, are the worst of the worst. Yeah, I did that. I compared liberals to Islamists. Neither is willing to tolerate the God-given freedoms of others and both are equally worthless, if not outright dangerous.
Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on May 08, 2011, 08:28 PM:
Ok, no..dont care...torture away.
Mark
Posted by lwilliams (Member # 3821) on May 09, 2011, 09:32 AM:
I say do whatever it takes to get the information that will protect our men and women in uniform. War is not nice, that is just the reality of it and peace will never work. A huge army that makes other country think twice is what keeps the peace.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on May 09, 2011, 09:50 AM:
I agree with Iwilliams why would we ever think twice about waterboarding the same paople that behead journalists and display it on the internet. if it saves American soldiers and innocent people do whats necessary.
Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on May 09, 2011, 10:37 AM:
The bleeding heart, far left nut jobs would rather die than admit that water boarding works. Obama will do whatever it takes in order to bring America down. On Fox news the other day, Carl Rove explained how waterboarding was applied to the terrorist's. He also discribed how it worked and why. Water boarding was the method that gained the information needed to get us on the right trail to find Bin Laden. Taking away the water boarding was a huge mistake in my opinion.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 10:42 AM:
If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways..
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 11:28 AM:
Does not compute, Tim.
Already, US forces expect brutal treatment, and there is no gentlemen's agreement that these terrorists would respect. They respect strength and power and blindly follow their little fuking book in all things.
I think, at some point, if we do not adopt ruthless tactics, we won't get anywhere. We need to disregard all the whining from the left and kill the bastards. If they do the same to us? WTF? They already do, forget it.
The thing is, there is a large element in this country that has been fed some bullshit ideas. The best thing we can do with these weak sisters is completely ignore their crap and get down to business.
That's the secret, quit fighting terrorists with one hand tied behind our back. We are fighting two opponents, Liberals and terrorists. It's ridiculous. Ignore their concerns and eliminate the threat with all means at our disposal.
gh/lb
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on May 09, 2011, 11:28 AM:
"If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways"
Too bad cutting their frigging heads off with a dull machete doesn't work both ways.
edit to add, Leonard was typing as I was.
[ May 09, 2011, 11:29 AM: Message edited by: RagnCajn ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 12:11 PM:
Sure we could do the same, but then it makes us no better than them... Right!
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 09, 2011, 12:29 PM:
"If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways.. "
I was kinda thinking the same way as Randy, sorta, maybe.
Instead of pouring cold water on their forehead in what amounts to a frat prank, we should just go ahead and start beheading them with a corn knife. I personally don't have a problem with that and no, we're not the same as them. They'd be getting theirs as punishment for what they did, not punishment for what the think. Tim's liberal touchy feely side is showing here. Poor terrorists.
How many times did Kaleed Shiek Mohammad have to get wet before he realized that they were just screwing with him? I heard they boarded him like 80 times in the past six years. From the looks of him, bathing would have been torturous. In fact, I would submit that we refrain from using the terms "water boarding" and enhancecd interrogation techniques" since both have been made synonymous by the liberal media with torture and, are thus, verbally unpalatable. Rather, let's begin referring to the practice by what it is - compulsory hygiene. Now, there's something that terrifies your average islamist terrorist male.
What a dumbass. (KSM, not Tim.)
[ May 09, 2011, 12:44 PM: Message edited by: Cdog911 ]
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 09, 2011, 12:31 PM:
Tim, I sure hope this is some feeble attempt @ humor..I will say that I find no humor in you're comments..
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 01:10 PM:
I could care less about the terrorists. All I'm saying is if you don't have any rules then exspect the same treatment to be done to captured troops from our side as well.. Sure history shows that our P.O.W.'s always got the short end of the stick but it also could of been worse.. Sure we could go into a country with no holds barred but then again we would be just as bad as the people we are trying to kill in the first place.. Whats that saying? Two wrongs don't make it right....
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 01:15 PM:
Geepers, Tim. You really ARE a liberal! Straight out of MoveOn .org's playbook.
gh/lb
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 02:03 PM:
Tim are you shitting me?
This is probably the only war(War on Terror) We have been so politically correct in.
And That's why we're still fighting it 10 years later,just like Vietnam.Let the Military fight the war and keep all the politics out of it.
And the reason? It's All those Radical Lib's from the 60's trying to make up for Vietnam.
Look at World War II.Once we entered that war it was no holds barred just kick ass. Shit we firebombed the hell out of Japan and Dropped two Atomic Bombs until they said Uncle.
I'm with Leonard we need to really put the hurt on those Bastards until there's no more fight in them.
Good Hunting Chad
[ May 09, 2011, 02:13 PM: Message edited by: UTcaller ]
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 02:13 PM:
So I disagree and that automaticly makes me a liberal in youre mind.. So whats that make you? A demacrat????
What if youre grandson was called into action and was captured.. Should he be exacuted on the spot or be taken prisoner??? If taken prisoner should he be waterboarded?????
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And That's why we're still fighting it 10 years later,just like Vietnam.Let the Military fight the war and keep all the politics out of it.
I aggree thats the way it should of been done from day one.. The news media should of been kept out of the war zone and the troops should of went in and done there thing..
[ May 09, 2011, 02:27 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 02:27 PM:
Do you honestly believe they would treat him fairly if captured.They are ruthless and brutal,what's more they do it on video for the whole world to see.Don't you watch news ever.lol
Posted by lwilliams (Member # 3821) on May 09, 2011, 02:59 PM:
Putting the media on the front lines so they could paint a liberal picture of everything has always been a bad idea. They should of never allowed the media near our troops in the first place. Let out men and women in uniform go kick some ass and get the job done.
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 09, 2011, 03:32 PM:
Oh my, t-bag. You need knowledge in a most urgent way. But then again I'm not sure ignorance is the real issue.
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 09, 2011, 03:33 PM:
Tim you are the dumbest son of a bitch, I've ever seen...
Where's JD when we need him ? (edit) Ooops we posted at the same time..
[ May 09, 2011, 03:35 PM: Message edited by: Dave Allen ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 03:50 PM:
Ah shit! I don't moderate, I don't edit and I don't delete. How can I keep Tim from pissing everyone off?
To answer the question; if Aaron was captured, I would expect him to resist with every ounce of strength in his body and to escape at the slightest opportunity. And, if the bastards tortured him, well I'd be tempted to go over there myself and even the score.
But, I don't expect any civilized treatment from those miserable bastards. They aren't civilized and they are bastards. Cruel and backward bastards.
To think they would respect decent treatment in the way we handle prisoners is dreaming. If we put the prisoners up in the Hilton with room service and all the goats they can fuck, that would not change the way they treat our captured troops.
gh/lb
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on May 09, 2011, 03:56 PM:
Tim, my son has been in the box three times and will probably go again. The day they hit the World Trade Center he came home from school and informed me he was going to enlist. I was sitting at the desk when the recruiter asked what he wanted his MOS to be. He was seventeen at the time, four months short of eighteen. He never blinked as he stated he didnt care as long as they gave him a parachute, a gun and gauranteed he would be able to fight the ones that had ATTACKED us. He spent his next birthday after enlistment in Afghanistan. Two birthdays later he was in Iraq. Two birthdays later he was in Afghanistan again. So I know wherewith I speak when I tell you there is nothing we can do to get those people to sing Kumbaya.
edit to add, once again Leonard and I were typing at the same time.
Leonard, I think of your grandson often and pray for his safe return.
I won't bother to repeat what my son has told me but I can say, I know for a fact, I will never see him bent over on national Television waiting for a dull knife.
[ May 09, 2011, 04:01 PM: Message edited by: RagnCajn ]
Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on May 09, 2011, 05:09 PM:
Leonard and Randy, I can't imagine what its like wondering about a son or grandson over there.
I know it must be difficult to think or talk about what would happen if they were captured.
My thoughts and prayers are with them.
God bless those young men !
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 09, 2011, 05:13 PM:
"So I disagree and that automaticly makes me a liberal in youre mind.. So whats that make you? A demacrat????
"
Huh?
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 06:11 PM:
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Don't you watch news ever.lol
NO I don't watch the news. Why should I..
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 06:33 PM:
I guess for one reason,so you don't have your head up your ass when you reply to these posts.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on May 09, 2011, 06:58 PM:
I would like to call everyone's attention to my sig line. LOL
Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 09, 2011, 07:13 PM:
Pretty cool Cdog.
Well, Mrs. 49 and I got invited to a wine tasting party over the weekend. I don't drink wine, but I knew most of the people at this party, and they were nice people, so I went.
Aside from having to explain myself ten times that I don't drink wine, and having been asked to teach a couple people how to shoot handguns, I was asked if I thought they should display the death pictures of OBL on the television. My response, in front of all these "well to do" people, was to put his fucking head on a stick right in the center of ground zero. Fuck that mother fucker. We should kill every terrorist piece of shit. We should even kill their dogs. Fuck em all.
I stood on ground zero on 9/13/2001. These people are no joke. It amazes me how soon some of us forget.
This isn't directed at you Tim. Just at some people who don't realize what we are dealing with.
Ahh...I feel better now. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on May 09, 2011, 07:58 PM:
Thanks Dave Allen.
From the first day I have been determined to let my pride outweigh my fear. It has worked so far.
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 08:02 PM:
Lets see if I have this right. We should kill all our enemy's (rag-heads) includeing there famalys and dogs and should torture them by any means nessasary.. Was'nt this the very thing we hung Sadam for??? And did'nt we fight a few other wars for the same reason??? LOL
Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on May 09, 2011, 08:19 PM:
Saddam was killing innocent people because they were not his servants and not of his religion or culture.
We are killing terrorist that have attacked us and are intent on killing us because we are not of their religion or culture.
Big difference.
Note to self, why am I doing this? It is fruitless.
I'm out.
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 09, 2011, 08:27 PM:
LB, is that your grandson? I must've missed it somewhere. Anyway, you and Randy tell those young men that we are all proud of them and support them 100%. My son in law is just back from his second tour, (sigh of relief) I think your right Randy, let your pride outweigh the fear.
Yea Randy it is fruitless, t-bag doesn't have a clue, I've said for years that he's an Obama liberal. He doesnt watch the news but that wont stop him from telling us all about world events. Oh well, somebody has to vote Democrat.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 08:34 PM:
Tim your ignorance is really very shocking.Either that or you like to argue just for the sake of arguing.Either way it is very telling.
I didn't see where anyone said to kill there families.Dogs yes but families no.lol
How are we supposed to fight a war? When we are the only ones that follow any kind of Moral rules.They(Terrorists) don't give a shit about us Men, Women,Children or Dogs.We definitely have the Moral high ground,they started this fight not us.
If We would have fought World War II like we're fighting this war we'd all be speaking German,and/or Japanese.
You do whatever it takes to win,it's not a freaking game for hell sakes,you beat the enemy into submission by any means necessary until they give up.
Just remember the English Army called the Militia "Barbarians" for fighting the way they did in the Revolutionary War,because they didn't fight them properly on the battlefield,when they used the gorilla tactics.But we won our Independence didn't we......
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 08:44 PM:
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If We would have fought World War II like we're fighting this war we'd all be speaking German,and/or Japanese. CHAD, The Nevada Night Fighter
That's a terrific observation, Young Man!
Tim, you're pissing everybody off. Do me a favor. Change the subject, or go water the lawn.
gh/lb
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 08:56 PM:
And another thing, when we dropped the Atom Bombs on Japan,do you think we did that just so we could kill Men,Women,and Children.NO!!!We did it to Scare the Shit out of them!!!! And we got our point across and they surrendered..Brutal? Yes.. But effective....
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on May 09, 2011, 09:50 PM:
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The thing I want to comment on is the absurd idea that torture doesn't work. The guest of honor gives out bogus info and aren't we above that sort of thing?
The idiot liberals are just parroting theories they heard from an unimpeachable source like Move on .org.
Torture has been used effectively for eons, if not longer. Water-boarding, if you ask me, the terrorist should thank Allah that the CIA doesn't use really interesting techniques, like they do, such as beheading on a whim.
I was clicking through the channels tonight and landed on one that was talking about waterboarding and other types of torture.
Some guy was being interviewed that has been involved in waterboarding and other types of torture and his remark to them is non of it works or in his words inafective and time consumeing.. Reason being is the person being tortured will say anything to make the hurt or torture stop. What info they do give is misleading or inaccurate and time consumeing as far as running down false leads.
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Tim, you're pissing everybody off. Do me a favor. Change the subject, or go water the lawn.
Is'nt that the mod.s job?????
I'm going to go water the grass now..LOL
[ May 09, 2011, 09:53 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 09, 2011, 10:01 PM:
Very good points Chad, I've always been intrigued by the firebombing of Japan that took place in the weeks and months before the "bombs" were dropped. I saw a documentary of some sort about that once and it was shocking how much devastation the firebombing had on that country, I remember that they scrolled a list of cities that were essentially burned to the ground and also listed the estimated number of japs killed (burned) in each of those cities....I don't remember the figures but I can tell you that it was absolutely shocking, Below is a chart that gives an idea but somewhere I saw the actual number of deaths listed, I'll see if I can find it.
BTW.....I'm damn glad that we didn't quit when the firebombing didn't cause them to surrender. Win at all costs!!
edit: The number of Japanese casualties among soldiers in the war was around 780,000. The number of civilian casualties was around 806,000.
also found a source that claims 3 times as many people died in the firebombings than the big ones.
These cities are supposedly all over 100,000 people.
Name of Japanese
city firebombed Percentage of the
city destroyed Equivalent in size to
the following American city
Yokohama 58 Cleveland
Tokyo 51 New York
Toyama 99 Chattanooga
Nagoya 40 Los Angeles
Osaka 35.1 Chicago
Nishinomiya 11.9 Cambridge
Siumonoseki 37.6 San Diego
Kure 41.9 Toledo
Kobe 55.7 Baltimore
Omuta 35.8 Miami
Wakayama 50 Salt Lake City
Kawasaki 36.2 Portland
Okayama 68.9 Long Beach
Yawata 21.2 San Antonio
Kagoshima 63.4 Richmond
Amagasaki 18.9 Jacksonville
Sasebo 41.4 Nashville
Moh 23.3 Spokane
Miyakonoio 26.5 Greensboro
Nobeoka 25.2 Augusta
Miyazaki 26.1 Davenport
Hbe 20.7 Utica
Saga 44.2 Waterloo
Imabari 63.9 Stockton
Matsuyama 64 Duluth
Fukui 86 Evansville
Tokushima 85.2 Ft. Wayne
Sakai 48.2 Forth Worth
Hachioji 65 Galveston
Kumamoto 31.2 Grand Rapids
Isezaki 56.7 Sioux Falls
Takamatsu 67.5 Knoxville
Akashi 50.2 Lexington
Fukuyama 80.9 Macon
Aomori 30 Montgomery
Okazaki 32.2 Lincoln
Oita 28.2 Saint Joseph
Hiratsuka 48.4 Battle Creek
Tokuyama 48.3 Butte
Yokkichi 33.6 Charlotte
Uhyamada 41.3 Columbus
Ogaki 39.5 Corpus Christi
Gifu 63.6 Des Moines
Shizuoka 66.1 Oklahoma City
Himeji 49.4 Peoria
Fukuoka 24.1 Rochester
Kochi 55.2 Sacramento
Shimizu 42 San Jose
Omura 33.1 Sante Fe
Chiba 41 Savannah
Ichinomiya 56.3 Sprinfield
Nara 69.3 Boston
Tsu 69.3 Topeka
Kuwana 75 Tucson
Toyohashi 61.9 Tulsa
Numazu 42.3 Waco
Chosi 44.2 Wheeling
Kofu 78.6 South Bend
Utsunomiya 43.7 Sioux City
Mito 68.9 Pontiac
Sendai 21.9 Omaha
Tsuruga 65.1 Middleton
Nagaoka 64.9 Madison
Hitachi 72 Little Rock
Kumagaya 55.1 Kenosha
Hamamatsu 60.3 Hartford
Maebashi 64.2 Wheeling
[ May 09, 2011, 10:29 PM: Message edited by: JD ]
Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on May 09, 2011, 10:15 PM:
From the keyboard of Tim Anderson...
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If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways..
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I could care less about the terrorists.
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So whats that make you? A demacrat????
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NO I don't watch the news. Why should I..
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Lets see if I have this right. We should kill all our enemy's (rag-heads) includeing there famalys and dogs and should torture them by any means nessasary.. Was'nt this the very thing we hung Sadam for??? And did'nt we fight a few other wars for the same reason??? LOL
Are you kidding me? Seriously, this is what goes on in your mind? What the fuck is wrong with you Tim? Are you that impervious to what goes on outside your custom rifle and coyote shooting playpen? If it is, I would suggest that you NEVER enter into a discussion like this in real life. Even a "demacrat" would be tempted to slap the shit out of you. I haven't been in a fist fight for years, but I swear to God, if you said that shit to my face, I'd forget about how long it takes me to heal up these days. I think JD might be giving you too much credit comparing you to Ubama. Oh, and btw, we didn't hang Saddam you dumbass.
49, that was a nicely pieced together statement. I hope they understood you.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 10:27 PM:
Tim, I think I watched the same interview. Just an observation; we can always find somebody that will argue black is white and up is down.
After a couple hours on the rack, and six inches taller, do you really think somebody is going to engage in deceit? That's the kind of argument Liberals love...oh yeah they give bogus info. Rather, they are desperate to be believed and sincere/serious as a heart attack.
Geeze, Liberals have to be stupid to think anybody besides their useful idiots are buying what they are selling.
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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 09, 2011, 10:34 PM:
Wouldn't it be fun to waterboard a liberal, could you imagine the messed up shit that they would confess to....hey t-bag, you got plans for this weekend, we're having the first annual huntmaster waterboard a liberal and BBQ, you're invited.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 09, 2011, 10:42 PM:
Ineffective my ass....You Hurt those bastards til they tell you what you want to know.If it's faulty intel,you hurt them more. Once they wear out there usefullness you kill them.
Hell Tim Don't you watch "24"....lol
Good Hunting Chad
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 09, 2011, 10:51 PM:
He said he doesn't watch the news but then he said that he was just watching an interview which would suggest some sort of news like program.....this is so weird....I mean it's just not like t-bag to talk out of his ass like this, I wonder if c middleton hacked his account and stole his password again.
Posted by conservative1911 (Member # 3828) on May 09, 2011, 11:27 PM:
How can the people on the left question "W's" use of water boarding to gain info and make a big stink about Bush's use electronic bugging of foreign phones??? These were the tools to put Team 6 in position for the kill. Liberals can kill are enemies, i.e. UBL, but we can't water board. Their nuts. Then let's not try to get any info and just shoot them. These elitists complain about Gitmo and fair trials. What about all those drone kills, I didn't see Judge Judy giving those deck of cards players their rights before "BOOM". And, how come our AG Holder didn't go into bin Ladin's compound serving a warrant with Team 6???? This entire progressive movement in this administration demonstrates what knuckle-heads they really are by applying make nice policy in an ugly and harsh real world environment. Like "Col.Walter E. Kurtz said, It's like issuing speeding tickets at the Indianapolis 500." Insane my friends, our Country is being taken over by nuts.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 11:31 PM:
Tim is playing us like a fiddle. JD is foaming at the mouth, Chad is chasing his tail and I'm getting the vapors.
I hope he has exhausted stupid for tonight, there can't be more, can there? Talk to me Timmy. You don't really mean any of the shit you have been saying, do you?
Buddy, I'm talking to you like a friend. Shut the fuk up before John Denver finds out what you have been saying. I don't want to see it!
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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 09, 2011, 11:37 PM:
Welcome to The New HuntmastersBBS.com, conservative1911. Glad to have you on board.
Libs can drive a man crazy, can't they?
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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on May 10, 2011, 04:27 AM:
A lot of people watch the news on a regular basis. Problem is that many of them watch only Fox news, while others watch other channels. A lot of the controversy seems to come from those who are stuck on the extreme left or the extreme right.
Anybody know the difference between a moderate conservative and a moderate liberal?
Just because somebody looks at things differently from you, it doesn't make them stupid. There are many learned people who believe in the middle of the road. A lot of them believe that Jesus Christ was a liberal. Take a look at what some of them say:
http://www.jesusisaliberal.org/
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on May 10, 2011, 04:42 AM:
possumal. i try to stay outta politic discussions because i'm not real vearsed in them. however,FOX is THE ONLY channel i watch. i've tried watching cnn,msnbc and just get pissed off that they won't tell the american people whats "really" going on.they bow down to this black basard we got ruining this country. plus the babes give me wood ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Timmey, stay outta political discussions ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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Posted by ursus21 (Member # 3556) on May 10, 2011, 05:40 AM:
Tim/Herpes = Same/Same
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on May 10, 2011, 06:06 AM:
The bearhunter: I didn't make the post I made to start an argument. I was pointing out that people watch a particular news channel and develop their views based on what they see. That doesn't make someone stupid if they watch different channels or all the channels.
I could have posted some other links that seem to come from people on the extreme right who argue the exact opposite. Historians seem to support the link I posted, but that is not my opinion; it is theirs.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 10, 2011, 08:26 AM:
Possumal, The problem I have with the Jesus being a liberal thing,is that Jesus was Perfect and was the same way with EVERYONE.Because of love.....
The Progressives and Liberals are not.They pick and choose there Tolerance,and who they have compassion for.
To me that's kind of like Comparing Heaven to Communism,in theory they seem alike but in reality they are night and day....I think thats why alot of the Lib's talk so much about the benefits of Marxism....
Good Hunting Chad
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Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on May 10, 2011, 08:39 AM:
Putting all Progressives and all Liberals under the same umbrella is like putting all Conservatives under the same umbrella. We are all different and all have different views. That doesn't make any of us stupid.
Most historians support the link I posted earlier. That doesn't make them all right either.
Jesus was perfect, and they crucified him.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on May 10, 2011, 09:09 AM:
FOXNews is not the only channel I watch, but it's the one I mostly agree with, and they actually ARE "fair and balanced". If you want to see biased reporting MSNBC leads the pack, hands down. I don't think Chris Mathews thinks he is neutral, he knows that he is an unashamed liberal cheerleader. And, there are liberals on FOX. I wish there weren't but they have a few.
This whole philosophy thing is dividing the country. I'm fine with it. It's about time we had some place to turn to, besides Dan Rather. Vey few people watch Network News anymore, and for good reason. They absolutely offer a Liberal interpretation of the news, and don't apologize, at all. It's dishonest. And, if you don't think the Media played a huge part in electing Obama, you are naive in the extreme. That's where I disagree with what they do, they have no shame whatever in advocating Liberal Democrat policies, and acting as cheerleaders for this "transparent" administration. They couldn't be arrested for fair unbiased reporting.
The whole idea of compassion for the poor and minorities is way off base. We have 40 years of the welfare state and guess what? They haven't moved the ball an inch, we still have poor uneducated people, no skills and dependent on the government for survival, unless they get drafted by the NFL.
I saw a statistic recently that said 30% of the people in Detroit couldn't read and write, and they are high school graduates. And they spend (what was it?) $3,000 more per student than the national average? I'm not sure, but it didn't paint a very pretty picture of liberalism, education and the never ending cycle of welfare dependancy. The Nanny state isn't working, and solving those problems by throwing other people's money at it is not setting well with average people with a job and a mortgage.
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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on May 10, 2011, 12:41 PM:
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49, that was a nicely pieced together statement. I hope they understood you.
I think some of them did, Jim.
Conservative1911...welcome aboard!
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 10, 2011, 03:21 PM:
Al, that is one of the most ridiculous websites I have ever laid eyes on based on one of the most obvious misinterpretations of who Jesus is.
The problem with some of this stuff is that most people could get the facts that they seek if they would practice a little due diligence but instead they are only interested in bolstering their already existing stance on any given subject.
The problem with this whole Jesus is a liberal thing is simple.....Jesus had NO political aspirations, it's mentioned specifically many times in the bible, do a little research on Judas, he was all about what Jesus should do politically.....didn't turn out too well for him.
Not that any of that matters but you cannot in good conscience use Jesus in any political discussion, just doesn't work, politics are not what his life was about, there are things that could go either way politically.
And yes, if someone believes differently than me it could very possibly mean that they are stupid, not everyone with an opinion is right, sorry, that's where some intelligence mixed with due diligence will come in handy. Facts are more important than opinion as you can see by t-bags posts in contrast to others who have facts.
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on May 10, 2011, 03:30 PM:
Very well said JD.....
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 10, 2011, 03:51 PM:
Thank you Chad.
I just looked a little deeper into that site and could easily point out 2 dozen theological misleadings and scriptures that are taken TOTALLY out of context and used for their own political misgivings...WOW!!
It's commonly believed that "taking the lords name in vain" means that you exclaimed "Jesus Christ!!" when you smashed your finger with a hammer....not true, the bible does warn against "course language" but taking the lords name in vain is referring to using the lords name for your own vain purposes....that website is a perfect example of using the lords name in vain.
Amen, you're all dismissed.
Posted by Possumal (Member # 823) on May 10, 2011, 04:50 PM:
J.D., if you read my post, you'll see I didn't say it was my opinion, and that I could have posted links to people who believe differently. If you research the subject thoroughly though, more historians support that site's stand on the subject.
My dear old daddy was smart when he said not to discuss religion or politics if you wanted to stay clear of arguments.
Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on May 10, 2011, 05:07 PM:
I haven't seen anything as theologicaly challenged as that web site since Rev. Ike was alive. For the record; the original translation of Matthew 5:21 was "Thou shalt not do murder" rather than the current "Thou shalt not kill". Two entirely different animals. If you shoot somebody in the back; that's murder. If you shoot somebody in self-defense, it's not murder and not prohibited and not very liberal.
Now............ The Carpenter said;
"When the strong man, fully armed, guardeth his own court his goods are in peace"
And
"Let he who hath no sword sell his garmet and purchase one"
(They're in Luke if anybody wants to look it up)
So, by those two statements, I expect that the folks over at Jesus is a Liberal wil be promoting mandatory NRA membership. No??
Posted by JD (Member # 768) on May 10, 2011, 05:28 PM:
Al, your dear old daddy was very wise.
Posted by the bearhunter (Member # 3552) on May 10, 2011, 05:46 PM:
good post JD
Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on May 10, 2011, 08:00 PM:
Koko, "Thall shall not do murder and thall shall not kill", I wish I had read that about 6 months ago. I lost a good friend about then who was as Godly a man as I ever knew.
He also was a retired ATF agent who in the line of duty had to kill a man. That bothered him to the point that he wondered if God would forgive him. I pointed out many instances in the bible where God said to kill someone but it still bothered him.
I'm sure he knows now.
I know Jesus and I know he ain't no liberal.
Historians also think we come from apes and monkeys. If we evolved, why do we still have monkeys?
Posted by R.Shaw (Member # 73) on May 10, 2011, 08:04 PM:
Evolution begins with death and ends with death.
Creation begins with life and ends with life.
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