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JD
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posted May 07, 2011 09:21 AM
The HNIC and his administration are intent on spanking someone for using questionable tacticts to obtain the info that lead to bin ladens death.
Heres the link
My question is, who cares? Does anyone here have a pro or con either way.
I admit that when the Gitmo thing blew up in the news with broom handles being shoved up peoples asses and some of the other things that went on....I wasn't at all thrilled about that idea....but honestly I could give a shit if they waterboard someone or use any number of other mild torture techniques, I don't think we should be concerned with this stuff.
I also think the HNIC has gotten the publicity he wanted and took credit for bin laden and is now going to trash gitmo and close it down.....he got what he wanted and doesnt really give a shit about the US or our security.....that's the job of some czar anyway, right.
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Leonard
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posted May 07, 2011 10:33 AM
I never heard about broom handles.
The thing I want to comment on is the absurd idea that torture doesn't work. The guest of honor gives out bogus info and aren't we above that sort of thing?
The idiot liberals are just parroting theories they heard from an unimpeachable source like Move on .org.
Torture has been used effectively for eons, if not longer. Water-boarding, if you ask me, the terrorist should thank Allah that the CIA doesn't use really interesting techniques, like they do, such as beheading on a whim.
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CrossJ
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posted May 07, 2011 01:14 PM
The amazing thing to me is they got bin ladin DESPITE obama.
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posted May 07, 2011 01:27 PM
I personally don't give a damn what they do to the enemy to get information. Pull their friggin fingernails out if that will work.
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Leonard
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posted May 07, 2011 01:31 PM
Holy cow, Geordie! That's an astute observation and you are right on. The dumb fuk dithered as he always does until events didn't change and suddenly he was on the spot, shit or get off the pot.
If he gets a reelection bump out of this deal, that would be a shame. He went far out of his way to claim complete credit when it was George Bush that had the balls to make the tough calls.
At least Conservatives have had the decency to congratulate Obama, something that would never have happened if Bush had accomplished the deed. That's what makes Liberals, Progressives and Democrats in general such poor MFers. Just think what this country could become, without those idiots continually throwing themselves under the wheels of progress.
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posted May 08, 2011 09:09 AM
It is sad what this liberal administration is doing to our country. George W permits enhanced interogation and numb nuts comes along and now they are possibly going to prosecute those that followed the previous administrations policy. It isn't good enough to simply put out a memo to stop it. They are threatening to prosecute those that believed what they were doing was the right thing to do. The ramifications of this is all CIA officers will now be very hesitant to perform intense interogations even if permitted within the current guidelines because they cannot predict what the next dumb ass will do. The HNIC doesn't deserve to be an ass wipe for those in the Military or the CIA.
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Cdog911
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posted May 08, 2011 09:53 AM
To answer the original question, YES. A lot of people care. The legions of cheering Americans last Sunday night prove conclusively that getting ObL was up front on everyone's radar, and everyone needs to be made aware that without enhanced interrogation techniques, it simply would not have happened.
The American people - those who think BO is so great and all - need to be shown that it was George W. Bush's policies which laid the groundwork for the intelligence community to go after and secure the intel that led to his capture and killing. The announcements in recent days that report that information gleaned from seized materials at his "compound" further demonstrate that ObL has been directly involved in continued terrorist activities since 9-11 and that he was involved in coordinating future attacks as well. Help the blind to understand that in the absence of W's policies, we would know none of that, nor would we be able to take the proactive, preemptive actions being taken by our military as you read this to ensure that these people are not able to complete their missions. No one will ever get credit for preventing an attack that never happens, but they deserve it nonetheless.
Obama is and will continue to use last Sunday's events to bolster his political position. We need to make sure that no attempt on his part to do this goes unanswered by repeating time and again that killing Osama was, in fact, the results of the previous administration's foresight rather than the current one's naivete and ignorance.
Publicly offered credit where credit is due.
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Leonard
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posted May 08, 2011 12:04 PM
Obama's spin meisters have been saying for days, that it was a "mosaic" of sources that lead to the bin Laden operation. Translation: torture didn't help. Complete and utter bullshit!
Full speed ahead with the prosecution of the CIA interrogators that finally got something out of "hairy back" after over 200 waterboardings. Now, it seems obvious to anybody besides a Liberal, that you aren't going to get anything of value from this asshole by playing good cop, bad cop.
I'm sure they will revive withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan and closing Gitmo. The damage these people have done is hard to calculate. To give Obama another four years is ....I don't know? Disastrous?
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Lone Howl
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posted May 08, 2011 12:24 PM
I told my wife from the very first day of the bin laden cleansing, that give it a few days and this guy( Obama bin laden) will throw Seal Team 6( which I think the name is a little misinformation thrown out there,, probly aint no "Team 6") under the bus somehow. Sure enough, after they blew the story, they say there was crappy communication from the team after it was over, among other things. What bullshit. If you sit in an air conditioned room and watch the whole thing go down, there aint no getting it wrong, and even if there was a blackout in communication, they had a week at least(so they say) to spin the story, they couldnt even get that right.
Ride Bushes coattails and take credit, thats what this guy is good at.
This is the only situation that they can truly say with honesty... "Bush did it".
And Im tired of hearing about what a good actor or Pres is..keeping all this to himself, with a straight poker face..of course he has to..but also, yes, hes a great actor, thats how he got elected.
And,yes I care.
I cant wait till they throw every intel person under the bus, take em to trial, whatever, cause if this keeps up, they will not have any good men, or at least men willing to do the job that needs to be done, left to turn to when the shit hits the fan. Whos gonna join up in the future just to get outed and get your ass in a wringer in the end?
They are extremley lucky to have men with honor, skill and integrity,that volunteer and challenge themselves to be the best, and do whatever thier country asks them to do, (these people being Special Ops for the sake of this conversation)...to bad this current administration cant have just a thimble full of some of that.
Mark
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Rich
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posted May 08, 2011 12:36 PM
I get to be wrong, but I don't believe that the faulty information came from the SEAL team. It came from the chicken shits who watched the action from safety of the Whitehouse.
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JD
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posted May 08, 2011 01:45 PM
After re-reading my question it seams a little vague so let me rephrase it...Does anyone care that we use "torture" to get information or do you feel like Dan....anything goes.
I personally dont care if they screw with these buttholes heads to the point that they spend the rest of their lives lickin the bus windows and pissin their pants.....I don't think sadistic behavior just for the sake of being cruel is warranted but if these camel jockeys come out of the interrogation room covered in pig shit and missing a few fingernails......whatever works if it means we get solid useable info to get rid of more terrorist leaders.
btw....Cheney is givin the HNIC hell for these CIA probes, I believe he called it an outrage! I like him.
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Cdog911
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posted May 08, 2011 02:09 PM
Alright, to the clarified question: Nope. Don't care. America and Americans are built on a balance between tolerance and ambivalence. In other words, it is our national charm that we don't give a shit what you do on your own time as long as it doesn't affect me, and do whatever you want to as long as it doesn't encroach on the rights of others and you assume responsibility for yourself, your own needs, and your own problems. We have lost sight of that, whether you're an Islamist or a green weenie animal rights nut job envirowhacko. Islamists, or muslims, or whatever you want to call them, along with liberals who feel they need to enable this aberrant behavior through entitlement programs, are the worst of the worst. Yeah, I did that. I compared liberals to Islamists. Neither is willing to tolerate the God-given freedoms of others and both are equally worthless, if not outright dangerous.
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Lone Howl
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posted May 08, 2011 08:28 PM
Ok, no..dont care...torture away.
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lwilliams
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posted May 09, 2011 09:32 AM
I say do whatever it takes to get the information that will protect our men and women in uniform. War is not nice, that is just the reality of it and peace will never work. A huge army that makes other country think twice is what keeps the peace.
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Paul Melching
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posted May 09, 2011 09:50 AM
I agree with Iwilliams why would we ever think twice about waterboarding the same paople that behead journalists and display it on the internet. if it saves American soldiers and innocent people do whats necessary.
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Rich
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posted May 09, 2011 10:37 AM
The bleeding heart, far left nut jobs would rather die than admit that water boarding works. Obama will do whatever it takes in order to bring America down. On Fox news the other day, Carl Rove explained how waterboarding was applied to the terrorist's. He also discribed how it worked and why. Water boarding was the method that gained the information needed to get us on the right trail to find Bin Laden. Taking away the water boarding was a huge mistake in my opinion.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 09, 2011 10:42 AM
If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways..
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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2011 11:28 AM
Does not compute, Tim.
Already, US forces expect brutal treatment, and there is no gentlemen's agreement that these terrorists would respect. They respect strength and power and blindly follow their little fuking book in all things.
I think, at some point, if we do not adopt ruthless tactics, we won't get anywhere. We need to disregard all the whining from the left and kill the bastards. If they do the same to us? WTF? They already do, forget it.
The thing is, there is a large element in this country that has been fed some bullshit ideas. The best thing we can do with these weak sisters is completely ignore their crap and get down to business.
That's the secret, quit fighting terrorists with one hand tied behind our back. We are fighting two opponents, Liberals and terrorists. It's ridiculous. Ignore their concerns and eliminate the threat with all means at our disposal.
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RagnCajn
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posted May 09, 2011 11:28 AM
"If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways"
Too bad cutting their frigging heads off with a dull machete doesn't work both ways.
edit to add, Leonard was typing as I was.
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TA17Rem
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posted May 09, 2011 12:11 PM
Sure we could do the same, but then it makes us no better than them... Right!
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Cdog911
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posted May 09, 2011 12:29 PM
"If they feel they need to waterboard someone then have at it.. Just keep in mind it works both ways.. "
I was kinda thinking the same way as Randy, sorta, maybe.
Instead of pouring cold water on their forehead in what amounts to a frat prank, we should just go ahead and start beheading them with a corn knife. I personally don't have a problem with that and no, we're not the same as them. They'd be getting theirs as punishment for what they did, not punishment for what the think. Tim's liberal touchy feely side is showing here. Poor terrorists.
How many times did Kaleed Shiek Mohammad have to get wet before he realized that they were just screwing with him? I heard they boarded him like 80 times in the past six years. From the looks of him, bathing would have been torturous. In fact, I would submit that we refrain from using the terms "water boarding" and enhancecd interrogation techniques" since both have been made synonymous by the liberal media with torture and, are thus, verbally unpalatable. Rather, let's begin referring to the practice by what it is - compulsory hygiene. Now, there's something that terrifies your average islamist terrorist male.
What a dumbass. (KSM, not Tim.)
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Dave Allen
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posted May 09, 2011 12:31 PM
Tim, I sure hope this is some feeble attempt @ humor..I will say that I find no humor in you're comments..
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TA17Rem
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posted May 09, 2011 01:10 PM
I could care less about the terrorists. All I'm saying is if you don't have any rules then exspect the same treatment to be done to captured troops from our side as well.. Sure history shows that our P.O.W.'s always got the short end of the stick but it also could of been worse.. Sure we could go into a country with no holds barred but then again we would be just as bad as the people we are trying to kill in the first place.. Whats that saying? Two wrongs don't make it right....
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Leonard
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posted May 09, 2011 01:15 PM
Geepers, Tim. You really ARE a liberal! Straight out of MoveOn .org's playbook.
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UTcaller
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posted May 09, 2011 02:03 PM
Tim are you shitting me?
This is probably the only war(War on Terror) We have been so politically correct in.
And That's why we're still fighting it 10 years later,just like Vietnam.Let the Military fight the war and keep all the politics out of it.
And the reason? It's All those Radical Lib's from the 60's trying to make up for Vietnam.
Look at World War II.Once we entered that war it was no holds barred just kick ass. Shit we firebombed the hell out of Japan and Dropped two Atomic Bombs until they said Uncle.
I'm with Leonard we need to really put the hurt on those Bastards until there's no more fight in them.
Good Hunting Chad
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