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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 11, 2011, 07:01 PM:
 
Purchased one the other day.

I don't mind "commercials" at the beginning of a DVD, sponsors, take care of them, I get it. This particular video had logos and banners splashing the screen every 20 seconds. Show a call, banner ad for caller. Show a guy in camo, banner ad for camo. Make a shot, banner ad for scope. Miss a shot, no banner ad for gun or scope. I will never purchase another video made by this individual again. I turned it off and will likely use the disc as a coaster.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 11, 2011, 07:44 PM:
 
Not too illuminating, my friend. Surely, a holder of the coveted Special Permit ain't skeerd to name names?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 11, 2011, 07:53 PM:
 
I'm not scared to name names, but I won't, unless I'm coerced with donuts or Moose Tracks ice cream.

I brought it up mainly because it disgusted me. The commercialization of EVERYTHING is sickening.

This post brought to you by... Apple Computers
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 11, 2011, 08:54 PM:
 
Uh, Smithers,
We want information before we go out and waste our time & money on what sounds like a new low in the dvd market.

..................and you know, Tim's position as whipping boy appears to be open now. Just say'n.
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 11, 2011, 11:56 PM:
 
Oh, Hell NO!

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I don't mind "commercials" at the beginning of a DVD, sponsors, take care of them, I get it.

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I hate commercials at the beginning of movies, TV shows and especially hunting DVD's! Put that crap at the end so I can watch it if I want to be enlightened but don't try to force feed me that shit!

Come on Smithers... you have to tell us!

Nickelnut
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2011, 02:30 AM:
 
Okay smithers, do you want somebody with an infected testicle riding your sorry ass? Every word you utter, every thought, every action, every day, 24/7?

Don't make me do it, bro. He's tanned and rested and eager.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 12, 2011, 03:33 AM:
 
While we're waiting on Mr. Burns' sidekick Smithers to play coy...................

My Evil Daughter recently sent me 'The Complete Fred Bear Collection' for whatever the latest gifting occasion that she missed was. Eight hours of Fred Bear's classic hunts. Mostly film narrated by 'the voice'. Somewhat hokey at times by today's standards, but I think that some of today's video superstars could learn from it. If you're into archery in general and traditional archery in particular this set is worth the $35.00.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 12, 2011, 05:24 AM:
 
Mark Zepp... I have 2 earlier videos by him and they're good, with no schlock commercials or banners. This one is just a huge despicable commercial and was made in 2010. "Buttes, Coulees, Thunderclouds and Banner Ads" From what I could see, w/out the banners distracting me, was not enough to hold my attention, bored me to tears plus pissed me off.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on April 12, 2011, 07:02 AM:
 
If you have seen Cal Taylor's "Going to the dogs", and ELK's "Dogging Coyotes", there is no need to buy another calling video. Except for those two, the rest are all the same, just different actors.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 12, 2011, 07:11 AM:
 
Mr. Cronk, I have Cal's video and love it. I have a dozen others. This is the first one that I've seen done in this manner.

Edit: Give me fist pumps, high fives, break dancing and hip gyrating in lieu of ads.

[ April 12, 2011, 07:22 AM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2011, 09:14 AM:
 
I would never have guessed! He enjoys an unblemished reputation around these parts. Hard to figure.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by JD (Member # 768) on April 12, 2011, 09:47 AM:
 
Holy shit Smitters!!! You rotten sonofabitch!!! WTF is wrong with you, did your mom drop you on your head or something? You sheep lovin' bastard!

I'm just playin. Those are special words that I reserve for t-bag, I think these guys kinda miss the dumb sumbitch for some strange reason.

I don't think Smithers said anything about Mark as a person, just that his video is full of commercials, thanks for the heads up smitters, I hate that sort of stuff too. I agree with Niko, put it at the end.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on April 12, 2011, 10:38 AM:
 
Nothing to do with this particular vid, but all videos and tv shows have WAY TO MUCH high fiveing, fistbumping and danceing shit going on. Its ridculous. Whats next..humping a dead coyote? What ever happened to a fucking good old handshake?
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 12, 2011, 10:44 AM:
 
Hmmm, I was guessing as I read down before smithers revealed the maker. Zepp was not even on my radar. Just goes to show what I've contended all along....If you're gonna try to make a living at this shit, you've gotta sell your soul to the devil (read $$$$) along the way. Sad, but true.

Edit:
As for the hi-5s and such...it's just an expression of emotion. Some folks are more expressive than others. I'm pretty much always pleased with myself at the end of a successful stand, but I'm by myself most of the time, so that emotion I'm feeling is tempered. When I'm with a partner, depending on what happened, there could be an exhibition or outburst. Just a way of sharing the experience with a friend. There are those who play to the camera, too. Some of us are bigger hams than the next guy. That's obvious when you pull out a video camera around people anytime, anyplace. Hell, I've seen tits come out from women I would have never guessed when a camera is added to the right mix.

What I can't stand is the manufactured emotions displayed by mostly big game guys in their "after the kill" recap. Tom Miranda comes to mind. I've thought that guy was going to weep at times. Makes me wanna puke. But make no mistake, when I get to the point that it stops giving me a thrill, that's when I'll stop doing it. I shot a lion a couple years ago when I was by myself, and looking back, I'm real happy that there wasn't a camera around to catch my antics. I would have never lived it down, lol.

[ April 12, 2011, 11:10 AM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by Jay Nistetter (Member # 140) on April 12, 2011, 12:07 PM:
 
If you're looking for gyrating hips, bad dancing and creative editing you need to spend the $$ and look at the Coyote Behavior DVD.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 12, 2011, 01:55 PM:
 
Sorry Jay, already have your video. Very enjoyable. If you're hurting for cash I'll buy another.

Edit: Love Zepp's calls, don't know him but hear he's a great guy. The other two vids I have by him are great. Commentary only on his latest video.

JD is a wiener...

[ April 12, 2011, 02:00 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2011, 02:22 PM:
 
Listen, Amigo.

Jay owns a hunting product empire, he's sorta like a Conglomerate and has almost as much money as Dan, (the man). He could care less if you bought several hundred additional copies of his video. He buys a new white truck whenever it runs out of gas. He has been known to lend money to Cindy McCain so she can meet payroll. Jay ain't hurting, in fact, he practically owns Oklahoma.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by TundraWookie (Member # 1044) on April 12, 2011, 02:40 PM:
 
But does Jay get new bumper stickers on every truck too? I hear he has some true classics.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 12, 2011, 03:35 PM:
 
He practically owns Oklahoma because no one else wants it.
 

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Posted by coyote whacker (Member # 639) on April 12, 2011, 03:36 PM:
 
The ones I love the best are those that after most kill's, tell's you the gun,the bullet, the scope, the camo, the call and the butt wipe all used to make this a succesful hunt
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 12, 2011, 04:24 PM:
 
euh, that could be Les Johnson, huh? But, I like Les and if that's what he has to do to keep the lights on, I 'spose I can tolerate it. I think it's irritating, but it happens at an appropriate break in the action. I was told that he doesn't make a lot on that TV show, once expenses are factored in. Maybe he needs a sponsor with really deep pockets? Dan, (the man)?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 12, 2011, 04:53 PM:
 
You know tv shows have commercials to pay the bills cause we don't pay to watch tv, well except some of those special sheep shows smithers watches.

What I don't understand is why we actually pay for a dvd and still get commercials? I mean if you want us to listen to the subliminal messages and buy your product, then give the things away.

If your dvd offers nothing of interest then maybe you shouldn't produce it... running to a company with deep advertising pockets only inflates that company's prices.

But my last video was either Rich Higgins' or Uncle Jay's. I might have to buy another one now that Tim ain't posting here though.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 12, 2011, 04:53 PM:
 
Jimanaz, re-enact the lion antics and email it to all of us:)

I don't care for the talking about bullets, scopes, rifles and calls that made for the magic moment but I can turn the tv down. When it's splattered on the screen I can't ignore it.

The over commercialization started to really get on my nerves when the 7th inning stretch was brought to me by so-and-so and the replays were brought to me by so-and-so. Let's take a Gatorade time out...

Edit: Tom, all sheep porn is commercial free. That's why I'm such a dyed- in- the- wool fan

[ April 12, 2011, 04:57 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 13, 2011, 08:35 PM:
 

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Jimanaz, re-enact the lion antics and email it to all of us:)

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Ehhh, no. I'll just say that there was an awful lot of monologue going on and I have no idea whether it was audible or not. Probably some of each. Enough fist pumping to carry a handfull of new DVDs, no weeping though, lol. There may have been a few skips going back to my truck, however.



Couldn't even take decent pictures, lol.
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on April 13, 2011, 08:40 PM:
 
Looks like a pretty decent picture to my envious self. Nice cat!!
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 13, 2011, 09:20 PM:
 
That's a great pic! Any picture you have of yourself with a freshly killed mountain lion I'd say is a goodun. Just don't tell me you were singing:

I feel alive, I feel the love, do wop, do wop
I feel alive, I feel the love, do wop, do wop

I'm walking on sunshine, wooah
I'm walking on sunshine, wooah
I'm walking on sunshine, wooah wooah
And don't it feel good!!
And don't it feel good!!
And don't it feel good!!

... as you floated and flitted back to the truck
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 13, 2011, 09:34 PM:
 
That particular ditty is not in my repertoire. Most of what was going through my simple mind was mono syllabic and guttural. Couldn't process well enough to do much else. "Fuck yeah!" was prevalent as I recall, lol.

Thanks for the kindness on the pic. Lemme see if I can find a better one of the cat.

Found one, but that's as good as it gets. I really dropped the ball as far as the photo op went.



[ April 13, 2011, 09:37 PM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by Nikonut (Member # 188) on April 13, 2011, 09:45 PM:
 
Nice cat Jim!

That's a fine picture... just wish it was me in it with a cat like that!!! Just being that close to a big cat that was still warm would have my heart pounding. Very cool!

Nikonut

I have to say I hate all the high 5's and dancing around bullshit that goes on during some hunts. I'd probably be telling most of those guys to sit down and shut the fuck up!!!!! Do you suppose guys like Fred Eichler yell and scream like that when they shoot a rabbit or a quail?
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 13, 2011, 10:05 PM:
 
Nice cat! I'm going to say Payson, Happy Jack. Just a guess. Maybe Young?

Good hunting. LB

edit: smithers, you are weird! Where the hell did you come up with those lyrics?

[ April 13, 2011, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 14, 2011, 12:25 AM:
 
I bought the ice for the ride home, (it was early Sept.), in Happy Jack, actually Clints Well. For a Kommiefornian, you know your way around Arizona pretty good. I'm guessing you don't go for the 3 day license when you visit.

[ April 14, 2011, 12:30 AM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 14, 2011, 07:46 AM:
 
I got the lyrics on the Internet! You've never heard the song!? I thought of the corniest song I could muster up and that was it. So I Googled the lyrics.

Another great pic, Jimanaz
 

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Posted by knockemdown (Member # 3588) on April 14, 2011, 08:01 AM:
 
Jimzy, you are lucky that I wasn't there when you called/shot that lion, 'cause in my excitement, I'da prolly tackled your azz into the pine needles!!!

Those pics say enough, dude!!!
And even so, I'm sure your memories of that day are waaaay more satisfying than any picture could convey...
Fawkin' excellent!!!
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 09:03 AM:
 
You did fine, Jim. Is that a standard 223Rem chambered machinegun?

Well, yeah, I have made the grand tour, and know my way around better than the average tourist.... like knockemdown.

Actually, I have quite a bit of family in AZ scattered from Mormon Lake to Surprise, plus a friend or two. I have been visiting regularly since 1956.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 14, 2011, 09:34 AM:
 
Yep, that's a .223. with Dan (the man's) name engraved on it. Was running a 55gr VMax at about 2750 out of the 18" barrel. The spot you can see was the first hit at about 50 yards, facing me with a slight left to right angle. Silly pussy didn't know he was dead. He jumped straight up and began a speedy retreat on 3 legs. I figured he was gonna pile up anytime, but as he got closer to getting out of my sight, I ran another bullet through his lungs when he got broadside and that rolled him up.

Next time you cross the river Leonard, you ought to give me a call if it's hunting weather. I might be able to keep those mean ol' AZGFD guys off your ass.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 11:24 AM:
 
Shit! You are getting almost 100fps out of a plain vanilla 223 than I get from my Ackley! edit: also with 55 VMax's. I assume you have run it through the screens?

For sure, I'd like to do a bit of hunting with ya. Plan on it. (hope I can keep from laughing at that ghilli suit)

GH/LB

[ April 14, 2011, 11:24 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 14, 2011, 11:30 AM:
 
when you go huntin with Jim, wear the Stormy.
Need a pic for my collection of you on a ladder with a machine gun. ghille optional.

edit to add - wih the flaps down...

[ April 14, 2011, 11:32 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 14, 2011, 11:41 AM:
 
Funny story – just got back to house after watching my daughter high jump and run the 800 meter relay. Ran into my ex and she was wearing my wedding ring along with her currant victims ring. I ask her about it and she said you know I always loved that ring, then she smiled and said….I had it stretched to fit my middle finger…..then she gave me a good look at it.

I said bout time you developed a sense of humor…

Tay’s team won the relay and she was 4th in the high jump. Headed to a softball game this evening.

Yall stay after them
Kelly

[ April 14, 2011, 11:47 AM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 14, 2011, 11:56 AM:
 
Godammit, I should have known better than to post that much info here on something I couldn't back up, lol. Long answer...no, never chronoed them...that was the last of a batch of 1k remanufactured rounds I bought from an outfit in WI. Their published data was 3050 from a 24" barrel and using the 50fps/inch formula, hence the "about" 2750.

What I'm using now (also 55 VMax) screened at 3250 from my 24" machinegun. That's prolly just about all with that powder. Going up .2gr got me another 10fps, and the group opened up. Benchmark, btw.

You won't be the first that laughed...and then went home and called Rancho Safari with CC in hand.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 12:20 PM:
 
No, it's me that needs to apologize. I don't know what the hell I was thinking?

Anyway, I have two loads for my 223AI. A 40 grain VMax@ 3690fps. The 55VMax load that I use much more often, on coyotes is... 3250fps nothing to write home about, at all?

I run all my handloads through my Oehler 35P chronograph, and am willing to stand behind my saved printouts without exception. (which I just looked at, BTW)

I guess I was thinking of the 40 grain velocity when I posted earlier? A stupid mistake, nonetheless.

GH/LB

[ April 14, 2011, 12:54 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 14, 2011, 01:03 PM:
 
Me thinks one of us is having a senior moment. The first velocity I mentioned was 2750...did you read 3750? I'm lost....I think.

On another note, if you're getting 3250 from your 55gr AI load, aren't you leaving quite a bit on the table. I AM getting that velocity from a garden variety .223, that I have chronoed.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 01:06 PM:
 
Kelly, that is a funny story. I am always mystified by the vitriol between two divorced people! How in hell does it happen that a couple gets married, something happens and they separate and wind up hating each other?

I was married for 44 years to an absolute angel. Nancy died tragically, five years ago yesterday on April 13, 2006. I really don't know what to do without her. But, for me, marriage was wonderful. I just don't understand how people screw it up, but it appears to be easy to do.

So, I have to wear my Krusty Kromer again? On a ladder? With a machine gun? Geezus, you don't want much!

GH/LB

edit: yes, apparently so?

[ April 14, 2011, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 01:15 PM:
 
I killed one lion in AZ, about half way between Chino Valley and Seligman in 1972, right in the pass. Just exactly where Steve Craig says they will most likely be. Female, about the size of yours, maybe a little less than a hundred pounds?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 14, 2011, 02:11 PM:
 
LB - its something I tell you. We get along fine now. Just can't be under the same roof.
I am sure we will be sitting pretty close together at the SB game this evening, and her Mom will hung my neck like she always does.

Now back to the lion stories for those of us that just dream of getting one squared up in front of us.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 14, 2011, 02:16 PM:
 
I love how these posts always get jackknifed. Where are the mods in this Godforsaken place!?

Basil Bangheart! Come out and play!
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on April 14, 2011, 04:12 PM:
 
KJ- I have to ask about the 800m relay. Never heard of such a thing.
 

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Posted by Kelly Jackson (Member # 977) on April 14, 2011, 04:25 PM:
 
they have a team of 4 runners, they each run 200M and then handoff the stick.
They had Tay running the last leg, but she was not the best runner on the team. The coach has the fastest girl on the 3rd leg.
Back in the day is was the 880 yard dash or relay. I have still not coverted this meter thing..lol
Catch yall after the SB game.
Kelly

[ April 14, 2011, 04:26 PM: Message edited by: Kelly Jackson ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 14, 2011, 04:47 PM:
 
Nice lion Jim.

You sporting an Eotech?
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 14, 2011, 05:47 PM:
 
I would love to hear a explanation on how one hunters celebrations of a kill can bother another hunter

by the way i am all about the hand shake.

but what is it that bothers some when they see a guy high five or hoot and holler

[ April 14, 2011, 05:48 PM: Message edited by: George Ackley ]
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 14, 2011, 05:56 PM:
 
George, I believe people don't like fake, manufactured BS back slapping. Genuine emotion I, personally, am all for. The fake BS cutaway shots are annoying.

[ April 14, 2011, 05:57 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by CrossJ (Member # 884) on April 14, 2011, 06:54 PM:
 
Thats it exactly Smithers. Also can't stand the dramatic prerole.....you know with the music and the deliberate clicking off of the safety (all captured on camera).
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 14, 2011, 07:01 PM:
 
I loved Benchmark till I tried TAC...

I haven't tried the 55's but the 60 gr v-max and 25grs of Benchmark got me 2963 fps out of my 16" barrel. TAC got me 3110 fps out of my 17" but was a wee bit warm.

I do have to ask about the magnifier, how do you like it?
 

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Posted by jimanaz (Member # 3689) on April 14, 2011, 07:31 PM:
 
smithers, sorry for the continued jacking, but, you kinda contributed and I'm much too lazy to start my own topic.

Nick, yes, it's a 517. Started with a 512, but ran axross a 517 at a very reasonable price. It's the same as the 512 except it matches up height wise with the magnifier much better.

Tom, I'm real happy with that setup. Don't foresee making any changes to that rifle. It's the old style 3X magnifier, actual magnification is 3.25. For the shit I call in most of the time, I could probably get by without the magnifier, but I still leave it up the vast majority of the time. I think it's a real good way to go out to my effective limit with a .223, but if I were making very many shots over 100 yards, I'd want more magnification.

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As to the powder...I use 1 load for all my .223 fun, regardless of which rifle I'm using. The load you cited works well for me in both of them, and I don't need to worry about temperature as much with Benchmark as I would with some other powders. Temperature in my neck of the woods is a genuine concern.

[ April 14, 2011, 07:35 PM: Message edited by: jimanaz ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 14, 2011, 07:49 PM:
 
I ran the 880 in school as a sophomore on the B team. I wasn't very good. The 800 meter relay is very common, perhaps more so in the girls division?

smithers, you better be kidding about hijacking a thread? That's what we do around here, if you don't mind?

GH/LB
 

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Posted by sak81 (Member # 3706) on April 14, 2011, 07:57 PM:
 
That's why I asked. The 4x100m and 4x1600m are the only two ran in these parts.
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 14, 2011, 07:59 PM:
 
CrossJ, I'm with ya on the safety clicking. Why do they insist on showing that? Safety off, then a head on shot of hunter, then cutaway to coyote, back to hunter nestlings in, back to coyote stopped, back to hunter boom, coyote down, fist pump and "Did you see that!? Oh man, that coyote charged right in to my so and so call but these 77 grain boattail blah blahs out of my .223 Rem bla blah anchored that baby at, Dave, pull out your blah rangefinder and range that. 153 yards! Wooooh yea, (fist pump and Top Gun style around the world high five with partner) that coyote didn't stand a chance when I had him in the crosshairs of my 3-9x50 trillion scope!"

Jimanaz, I know I helped side track it. It happens to most threads and is to be expected with all the ADHD and senile seniors floating around here

Edit: I was writing my sermon here and didn't see El Leonardo Amigos post. I was kidding.

[ April 14, 2011, 08:02 PM: Message edited by: smithers ]
 

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Posted by 4949shooter (Member # 3530) on April 15, 2011, 05:25 AM:
 
Jim I gave some serious thought to putting a 512 or a 517 on the AR I pictured on here a few months ago. I probably should have gone with an Eotech rather than a conventional scope.

Nice setup you have there!
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on April 15, 2011, 05:37 AM:
 
If I had only one or the other, I'd go scope everytime. I used to have a scope and an Aimpoint both in LaRue mounts and switch em when needed/wanted. For calling I much prefer a scope but the magnifier is intriguing.
 

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Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on April 15, 2011, 06:31 AM:
 
I'll put in my 2 cents, but I'm a little jaded because Mark and I are good friends. In my opinion Marks videos are head and shoulders above the rest for several of the reasons that you guys are refering to. The guys on Marks videos are coyote killers. There aren't any endzone dances and high five bullshit. They shoot proper calibers for the job and flatten coyotes. There aren't any .223 gut shot spinners. He actually builds a story in and around the hunts that I find interesting, rather than bang, flop, and a endless replay and infomercial. I actually thought the little banners were a nice way to plug sponsors without talking about them ad nauseum. With what a guy actually makes off of a video, sponsors are a must and they expect something in return for their money spent, so it is like trying to please two masters I suppose. The other thing I will say is that Mark limits his sponsors to product he actually uses and believes in. He isn't a sell out to any product that comes along. He only has three or four sponsors and they are all high quality. Anyhow, just my opinion.

[ April 15, 2011, 12:27 PM: Message edited by: 3 Toes ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on April 15, 2011, 08:54 AM:
 
Your two cents means something around here. I don't know Mark at all, but I know his buddy Hawkins, who does a lot of the shooting in Mark's videos. I have hunted with him and he's the real deal.

GH/LB
 

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Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on April 15, 2011, 09:00 AM:
 
Yeah, 3Toes, you are jaded.

You're opinion could be the same as other's. Personally, I thought it was a bad idea.
 

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Posted by George Ackley (Member # 898) on April 15, 2011, 09:54 AM:
 

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I believe people don't like fake, manufactured BS back slapping. Genuine emotion I, personally, am all for. The fake BS cutaway shots are annoying

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