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booger
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posted June 17, 2010 07:54 AM
Here in Central Kansas, I have been around oil production all of my life—my dad worked for the same oil company for 35 years, my dad-in-law worked for an independent production company for 40+ years, and all of my brother-in-laws work either for independents or major companies. I was a roustabout for a summer after my dad died to fund part of my college.
Our economy here revolves around drilling and production, and ebbs and flows on the price of oil.
With that said, I am the first to take what the media says about big oil with a grain of salt. I don’t want to minimize what has happened in the gulf—that is certainly bad and must be dealt with.
I don’t want to say that I side with BP in what happened, but also know that when you are exploring for oil, shit happens—whether you have a pumper forget to switch tanks on a tank battery and 400 or 500 barrels of oil flows down a draw into a fresh water creek, or a rig goes up in the gulf.
What I can’t stand is what I read yesterday from the arrogant prick that is BP’s chairman—here is his quote:
BP Chairman Carl-Henric Svanberg told reporters in Washington: "I hear comments sometimes that large oil companies are greedy companies or don't care, but that is not the case with BP. We care about the small people."
With that comment it just reinforced to me what those assholes in Europe think of us here in 'the colonies'.
Just pissed me off...
[ June 17, 2010, 08:25 AM: Message edited by: booger ]
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Cdog911
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posted June 17, 2010 08:10 AM
I guess I've seen conservative spokespeople and politicos from my side of the aisle being misquoted so many times by the liberal media taking a specific sentence or comments and isolating it so that its context is lost, but this sentence doesn't read all that bad to me. Maybe it's the "small people" that you are taking to refer to Americans in general? If not, what about this comment angers you?
My grandfather was a longtime employee of Standard Oil back in the day, and they were bought out by BP. Through inheritance and the like, a significant amount of what I have for tangibles around me can be attributed to Standard Oil, and by progress, BP, so I don't throw them under the bus entirely here, although I firmly believe that this incident should have been much better managed while still in the incipient stages rather than the powers that be spending crucial days pointing the finger of blame at one another, forgetting that there was a true crisis to manage or much worse, allowing things to degress to the point they are now as a means of further fortifying their position/ agenda.
But, what was the context of this statement - the before and after - that angers you, or is there something you know from your own experience and we don't that would help us to better understand. Should each of us just draw conclusions based upon our own experience of dealing with "big business"? I like top hear from people on the inside because they often have the intel I need to formulate a more informed opinionc - something I seem to always have, right or wrong. LOL
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booger
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posted June 17, 2010 09:23 AM
Lance,
I think it is the general attitude of that person and what they think of the rank and file working class people in that area.
Guys like your grandfather, my dad, my dad in law, and my wife’s brothers as well as everyone else that has busted their hump in the cold, the heat, the rain and all other weather conditions made those companies what they are today.
I also had one incident happen several years ago that kind of struck the same kind of nerve as this comment.
I was the president of a bank here in town and doing business with one of the extremely wealthy families here. This family is in the oil business and happen to be in the top 5 in Kansas as far as daily barrels of oil produced for independent oil and gas producers. Their family trust is bumping next to $100 million dollars which is a fair chunk of change here in this area!
My wife also worked for this company as an assistant to the geologist at the time this happened, and the day this occurred, I was in their office handling some banking business for them. One of the nephews of the owner walked in with a bumper sticker that said ‘Kill the Poor!’.
They looked at it and thought that was just the funniest damn thing they had ever seen, even going to so far as to take it to every office and laugh and guffaw about it!
Needless to say, when my wife got home that night, she was furious! It was guys like her dad and one brother, (her brother still works there), that helped them make most, if not all, of that $100 million, as well as other ‘poor’ people over the years.
I guess what I am trying to say is that there are two types of wealthy folks—those that are humble and use their wealth to contribute greatly to society, and those that are ‘parasitic’, that simply live off of the labors of others.
Don’t get me wrong, my wife and I do very well for ourselves, and it was oil money that eventually sent me through college, but forgetting where we came from is not on my agenda.
Guess it was not a bitch about BP or big oil in particular, but the general attitude of that specific person.
[ June 17, 2010, 09:24 AM: Message edited by: booger ]
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posted June 17, 2010 10:31 AM
I dont know about yall, but I dont like this government taking money from BP.
I trust BP to pay who needs paid much, much more than the government. Maybe put someone in place to see to it they pay, but as far as just taking the money in escrow? The folks who need it will never see that money.
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posted June 17, 2010 12:58 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
Pretty much sums it up ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
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posted June 17, 2010 01:17 PM
That's hysterical... unfortunately it has lots of truth in it as well.
Seems to me when the first box froze up they should have just left it there and stopped the leak. If it wasn't heavy enough they should have started dumping concrete on top of it until the leak was plugged. Maybe that's too simple and it wouldn't have worked either.
I think they have been trying to save the well more than stop the flow... just my opinion.
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posted June 17, 2010 02:10 PM
LOL. Everyone is an expert now on deepwater oil leaks. Hell, a doctor in his office the other day said "they just need to send some inflatible bags down the hole and fill them up. Just like angioplasty(sp). That will stop the leak." Unfortunatly, the leak will be stopped when they get the relief well done. The well head is 1 mile below the suface, and I don't know the depth of the reserve itself, but we are talking incredible pressures.Plugging a well on the surface is one thing, plugging one at that depth and pressure I would think would be almost impossible.
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posted June 17, 2010 03:54 PM
Another expert reporting for duty. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
Geordie, do you deal with rotary air-locks when working on hoppers or tanks that transfer gravtity-fed or otherwise pressurized materials? If so... tell me why the same concept wouldn't work on deep water oil with boyant salt water to roll the lock? With one mile of head-water overhead... how hard could it be to slam a valve shut on fluid that wants to surface anyway?
Seems awfully simple to install one during well construction and flip (or float) the switch when shit goes wrong??? I've never seen any material or pressures that couldn't be overcome with this concept in some arrangement but I also gave myself a headache trying to calculate the converging pressures at the point of this leak.
I'm sure it isn't as easy as I'm making it... but I haven't found anyone that can explain why it wouldn't work!? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
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RagnCajn
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posted June 17, 2010 03:56 PM
Geordie you are correct.
There is no one in existance that wants that well shut in more than BP.
There is no one in existance that has a better understanding of the situation going on out there than BP.
There is no one in existance with more knowledge, experience, or equipment to do a better job than the people working on it right now.
If those people existed, you can bet your sweet ass that BP would ave them there because as I said, BP wants it shut off.
I get so tired of hearing the media pundits tell us how it should be fixed because they slept in a Holiday Inn Express on the coast the night before they made the report.
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RagnCajn
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posted June 17, 2010 04:01 PM
Jason was posting as I was.
Jason, there was BOP installed to shut it down. They malfunctioned. It is what happens sometimes. Just as if you rotary air lock fails, then you fix it. BOP's do fail. This one failed at 5000 feet below the surface.
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posted June 17, 2010 04:54 PM
However it gets stopped once it does the entire environmentalist groups should be responsible for the cleanup and the big tab.
If these enviro idiots would have let BP or others drill closer to shore and in other areas off limits to them on land this would have never happened. In their efforts to save the coast they created a much bigger problem for the gulf coast ecosystem. This same problem occurring in 1,000 feet or less water would have been stopped in a matter of days. If this would have happened in the no drill zones in Alaska it would have been contained very quickly.
There is no way a oil drilling company would be out drilling in mile deep water if they had access to the shallower no drill zones. Simple 8th grade economics.
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