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DanS
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posted May 04, 2010 06:03 PM
Here is grandma, raising the spoiled rotten, ignorant , belligerent granddaughter. Argument arises and kid tell GM, FU or what ever. Kid gets slapped, calls police, zero tolerance, grandma gets arrested.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/05/03/grandmother-arrested-slapping-granddaughter-cursing/?test=latestnews
This parallels pretty damn close to what I posted to 4949 about a father/daughter scene, when we were talking about the kid getting shot by the LEO.
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4949shooter
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posted May 04, 2010 06:41 PM
It seems to be an odd policy for that PD or SO to have a policy of mandatory arrest for mere probable cause during domestic battery. Here (and in just about all jurisdictions I know of) the standard for mandatory arrest during domestic violence is the presence of marks or injuries to the victim. From reading the article, it appears their department policy is to make a mandatory arrest on mere probable cause (this could be he said she said). The article mentions nothing about marks or injuries to the 18 year old "victim."
The funny thing about your buddy's arrest Dan, is that his daughter being a minor would make the assault non domestic by law. That is, unless she were emancipated or pregnant, or a parent.
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Cdog911
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posted May 04, 2010 07:11 PM
I don't know, 4949. I sat in municipal court a while back and saw two cases where there were no marks left on the supposed victim. The first case involved twin sisters, 20 or so, living together. They got into a verbal altercation and sister A threw her bowl of cereal on sister B. Sister B slaps sister A and leaves. PD arrests B at neighbor's house. No marks. No bruises. Officer even testified he made arrest based upon statement made by sister A. Sister A gets on stand, can't stop from giggling at the whole affair. Stops giggling when her sister gets 30 days in jail.
Second case was husband and wife. He testifies that he was simply leaving the house to go to a friend's and bumped her on the way out. She says he pushed her, but both she and the arresting officer testify that there were no injuries. Husband gets 30 days in lock up and a "no contact" order.
When my son and I got into it, I let him pummel the hell out of me because I knew that I would get stuck with some kind of bs charge if I even so much as swung back. All he did was manage to land one punch while I tried to just contain him while I waited for 47 minutes for the police to show up. Like the neighbor said, if you're wrestling and they're fighting, you're gonna get hit. He was 17, they charged him with batrtery and disorderly conduct.
Some kids just need a good ass whoopin'.
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DanS
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posted May 04, 2010 08:34 PM
Well, I'm sure not an LEO, prosecutor, or even a lawyer. Hell, I only speak a few works in Latin. So I don't know the how's or why's. It is familiar, and caught my attention.
It is what it is...
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posted May 04, 2010 09:43 PM
Hell they would have me in the pen.
My kids will get their ass whupped and my language aint the best. I grew up with plenty of ass whuppins from mom, dad, grandmas, grandpas, friends folks and neighbors. I think I grew up ok.
Not bustin kids ass is whats wrong with this world. It makes liberals.
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4949shooter
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posted May 05, 2010 02:48 AM
I see what you are saying Cdog.
I think the only difference is that an officer may arrest during a DV if there are no marks or injuries, but shall arrest if there are marks/injuries.
This is the standard in NJ but I believe the same standard exists nationwide. From the article Dan posted it sounds like the PD has their own policy for making an arrest on all DV's. This is wasteful of man hours because 90% of the DV victims drop the charges anyway.
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4949shooter
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posted May 05, 2010 02:49 AM
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Not bustin kids ass is whats wrong with this world. It makes liberals.
I agree Andy.
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posted May 05, 2010 07:39 AM
My wife’s sister was murdered by our asshole brother in law, who ended up killing himself after killing her. She had 4 sons from 3 different guys, the last one being an orphan, (his dad did the killing), that came to live with us after their mom died.
The last boy was the shits—he had ADD, and just an attitude that sucked—just like his piece of shit father. I am a very patient guy, but this kid was out of control. We finally got him on some meds that calmed him down some, but every once in a while he got a paddling.
Apparently, somewhere in our wonderful local school system, he heard that kids shouldn’t be paddled…well he played that card with me one night and said the next time it happened, he would call the sheriff!
I just happened to be a good friend of our local sheriff, so I called his bluff! After that statement, I dialed the sheriff’s cell phone and turned it over to the kid to tell his story…after the nephew was done whining about me whipping his butt, he was dead silent on the phone listening to my buddy talk to him. I saw his eyes get big, and then he hung up the phone.
I asked him what the sheriff said and here was his answer, “He said that I was lucky kid to be able to live with you, and that you had his permission to spank me if I acted up—not only that, but he said he would come over and spank me, too!”
Didn’t have too many issues after that, but he left our house when he was 16 because he said that ‘real families don’t have rules’—he has turned out like his dad, a real prick!
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4949shooter
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posted May 05, 2010 08:01 AM
That's a shame about the kid booger.
But your buddy the sheriff would have my vote!
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Leonard
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posted May 05, 2010 10:04 AM
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‘real families don’t have rules’
I'm wondering where that little nugget came from? Liberal.com, or Progressive.net? Hell, probably learned it at school, since that's where all the Liberals and Progressives earn a living. Unless they work in the Obama Administration?
Good hunting. LB
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booger
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posted May 05, 2010 10:15 AM
Leonard,
This was 1997 when this happened with him. My sister in law was a great lady, but couldn't pick a husband worth a shit.
Considering our house was as close to normal as those kids ever saw, it's no wonder he didn't know what a 'real family' was like.
He is 28 now, has had several DUI's and almost killed himself in a wreck when he was drunk--he's just like his dad, so the saying about the apple not falling too far from the tree is just about right.
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Cdog911
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posted May 05, 2010 05:47 PM
The arrest-them-all-and-let-God-sort'em-out policy here is because, back in my EMS days, a young couple were having trouble. One of her friends decided to stir the turds between the two a bit more and, one day, her friend's hubby comes home, forces both of them to strip, ties his wife up and makes her watch him rape her friend, then shoots her in the back of the head. He grabs his clothes, runs out the door, jumps in his old truck and T-bones a freight train at 90 mph in front of about a hundred witnesses waiting at the blocked crossing. While he's doing all this, his wife frees herself and calls 911. We get the first call for a car vs train 10-48 (Accident with injuries). Before we get two blocks from the station, the other crew is paged to a shooting with one injured/ possible 10-40 (deceased). Whacked out enough to make it into the tabloids. I have a copy of that in my scrapbook. The PD had been to their house several times for DV's but they always settled things between them. The girl that was murdered - her dad was a supervisor for the Highway Patrol. They sued the city and made big bucks and ever since, our town will arrest you for yelling at your spouse, then let the judge settle things.
"This is wasteful of man hours because 90% of the DV victims drop the charges anyway."
I agree with the wasteful part, but once you call the police in Kansas, the complainant has no say in whether charges proceed or not. The officer investigates, turns the report over to the county attorney and he/ she determines if the state of Kansas will charge the defendant. I've often times heard someone waffle after the fact and say how they no longer want to press charges, only to have the officer or deputy advise them that it's too late for that as the process has begun. And, in our county, the County Attorney doesn't care if you regret calling 911. If he gets the paperwork, you're going to court.
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posted May 05, 2010 05:54 PM
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I agree with the wasteful part, but once you call the police in Kansas, the complainant has no say in whether charges proceed or not. The officer investigates, turns the report over to the county attorney and he/ she determines if the state of Kansas will charge the defendant. I've often times heard someone waffle after the fact and say how they no longer want to press charges, only to have the officer or deputy advise them that it's too late for that as the process has begun. And, in our county, the County Attorney doesn't care if you regret calling 911. If he gets the paperwork, you're going to court.
That's the way it is here, too. If you even touch in any way you go to jail and are prosecuted with prejudice... I know all too well.
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posted May 05, 2010 07:26 PM
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I agree with the wasteful part, but once you call the police in Kansas, the complainant has no say in whether charges proceed or not. The officer investigates, turns the report over to the county attorney and he/ she determines if the state of Kansas will charge the defendant. I've often times heard someone waffle after the fact and say how they no longer want to press charges, only to have the officer or deputy advise them that it's too late for that as the process has begun. And, in our county, the County Attorney doesn't care if you regret calling 911. If he gets the paperwork, you're going to court.
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That's the way it is here, too. If you even touch in any way you go to jail and are prosecuted with prejudice... I know all too well.
I guess I've been lucky because I haven't gone thru this myself. However, from what I've been told, Phoenix has a "someone has to go to jail policy" too. We(the wife and myself) have been largely responsible for raising our grandson. There have been a few brushes with the law regarding our grandson with our dauhter, but we've always come out on top.
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posted May 06, 2010 03:24 PM
Lance, my point is that any policy that mandates arrest in every single domestic situation removes officer discretion, and is wasteful of manhours of time. When marks or injuries are present, it is a different story and arrest should be mandatory in most cases. What I mean by this is defensive marks should be determined and the victim should be given consideration if the marks were put on the offender from the victim in a defensive act.
That having been said, I know the court systems differ from state to state. Judicial process in Kansas can be different from New Jersey, which can be different from Illinois. The process even differs from county to county here as well.
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Cdog911
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posted May 06, 2010 05:32 PM
Good point, 4949. But, based upon my own experiences of the past two years with my son as a consumer of what the local constabulary is selling, there are two truths: Ours, and what the officer says happened, and ours doesn't count. A lot of people who've known me for a long time are shocked at the change in me with regards to how the law is enforced hereabouts. I used to be all about black and white with no grey. Anymore, screw 'em. There are good cops and a few bad ones. But, they all seem to treat everyone like the bad guys while only about 3% of people need to be taken to the country and not brought home, if you know what I mean. Treat everyone like a criminal, and somehow, somewhere in the confusion, the bad guys walk while the good folks who don't know how to thwart the system because they've made it a point in their life NOT to gain any firsthand experience with the system take it in the teeth.
I won't even wave at them when they drive by my house anymore.
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posted May 06, 2010 05:36 PM
back to granny smackin the 18 yo girl, If the cops in this area arrested a grandma in her own house for slapping a grandaughter that was verbaly abusing her, they wouldn't have a job long.
WTF? doesn't society know anything, if we as a society can't discipline our kids how do we teach them to interact in the world?
it starts at a young age, the only way to teach kids respect is to instill fear of consequences.
I've got a 11 yo daughter and 2 dogs that will prove it, and a mrs who always asks, why won't they listen to me?
Uh, what happens if they don't?.......nothing, ok what happens if they don't listen to me? ok, ok but I can't whip them....yup, they figured that out!
if you start young it only takes a couple times, I've spanked my daughter once since she was 3 years old, and that was cause she did something very stupid that could have cost her her life and she HAD to learn.
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posted May 06, 2010 05:51 PM
I hear ya Cdog.
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Leonard
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posted May 06, 2010 07:35 PM
The liberal establishment has bought into Dr Spock and his THEORIES. The worst abused laws in this country are those dealing with domestic abuse and our LE peeps are "all in" on this issue.
My wife has a friend in Coeur D Alene. Her daughter is a lush, married to what I think is a very tolerant man. Of course, he's a hunter. Well, she got drunk and started mouthing off. Next thing you know, they got in what was actually just an argument, but she called the cops and she had a bruise on her leg, probably from bumping into things? But the cops started pursuing the bruise and she finally said he did it. Later, when sober, she recanted. Well, that didn't matter. This guy wound up losing his firearms over this chickenshit deal and the fucking cops were proud of nailing this "wife beater". They are seriously abusing these laws against nominally innocent people, BUT HEY, THEY GET A SURE THING COLLAR! That's all they want and these laws are the tools for their next promotion.
Good hunting. LB
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posted May 07, 2010 07:57 AM
Maybe that's why I haven't gotten past staff sergeant...
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