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Are they allowed to even mention the new board or is it still the bunker mentality, deleting everything they view as threatening?

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A search for NPHA on PM gives no results. Looks like its not being discussed.
 

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Posted by Lone Howl (Member # 29) on September 17, 2009, 02:21 PM:
 
Most guys on ********* ******* dont even know about the new site, and Im sure the powers that be on ********* ******* will keep it cloaked as long as they can?

Maybe some one could do a good deed and start a thread over there : )

[ September 17, 2009, 02:22 PM: Message edited by: Lone Howl ]
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on September 17, 2009, 03:57 PM:
 
PM wasn't all bad in the beginning. Most of us liked something about it before it started to be a high 5, +1, attaboy sales venue. The new site is okay for now and I agree, the boards are slow so people are posting just to be posting. The only other thing to do is start a war of some kind like hunting with AR's or something???

Given time things will shake out, I'm interested in just who all joins up. I see some are still posting on both boards for now. Ought to be a law against that.

For now I'm not joining the NPHA, if they want my dues they need to show me what I can get for them and who's pockets they are going into.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 17, 2009, 07:53 PM:
 
Im glad Im not the only one seeing this. There is just nothing new or exciting. Just another PMS. The only difference I see is the all star cast, at least several of them, for moderators. Other than that.....

I still dont understand why Randy or Jason or Steve or somebody dont step to the plate and put up a sticky and lay out the whats, wheres and whys of the organization. The cloak and dagger shit does nothing positive.

Also, Randys "checkmate" avatar does speak volumes. At least to me it looks like a direct in your face shot at PMS, or the toad, or both.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 17, 2009, 10:05 PM:
 
Raandy is the best feature about that board, and I don't blame him at all, if he means what Andy thinks he means, with the avitar.

But hey, the big news is that he's coming to the campout, so you can bring up your concerns. Not to put him on the witness stand or anything like that, but you know, you can probably have a friendly and frank, man to man discusion about plans, hopes and dreams. You probably don't want to miss this one.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 17, 2009, 11:02 PM:
 
Yeah, I met Randy at your campout a couple years ago. He is a good man. No doubt about that.

I dont really know why Im so intrigued by this. It just has my curiousity for some reason? I despise PMS, always have. I guess I wasnt around for its glory years. Just a bunch of dipshits since I have been around. At least mainly dipshits, I guess a few of the good guys hung out there.

Got an EMG today on my arm. Which sucked, I hate being shocked. Scheduled for rotator surgery on Sept 29th. Soon as thats healed just a little, will schedule to have the two discs in my neck fixed. Then I will know more about campout plans.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on September 18, 2009, 05:10 AM:
 
"Got an EMG today on my arm. Which sucked, I hate being shocked. Scheduled for rotator surgery on Sept 29th. Soon as thats healed just a little, will schedule to have the two discs in my neck fixed. Then I will know more about campout plans."
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Rotary cuff surgery? OMG Andy, that's gonna hurt like anything!
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 18, 2009, 05:19 AM:
 
It hurts like hell right now Rich. I got a feeling this whole deal is gonna get worse before it gets better.

I think I got a good doctor. He claims to be able to fix it through the scope. He claims to do everything through the scope. And with as few problems as possible. We will see I guess.

The neck is gonna be even worse they tell me.
 

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Posted by Rich (Member # 112) on September 18, 2009, 07:00 AM:
 
Andy,
Naw, it will be ok. They may even screw one of those chrome halo's on your head and make ya look like an angel. I saw one of those on a guy in check out lane at Walmart yesterday. He was fishing around in his pockets like he was looking for something. He looked a little confused, so I walked over and asked if I could help. "I seem to have lost my car keys", he said. I says to him, I said--You would lose your head too if wasn't screwed on. That was wrong, I shouldn't have said that.
Lord I apologize for that-
please be with the starving pygmies down there in Africa- Amen

Good luck with your surgery Andy,
Rich
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on September 18, 2009, 08:23 AM:
 

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But hey, the big news is that he's coming to the campout, so you can bring up your concerns. Not to put him on the witness stand or anything like that, but you know, you can probably have a friendly and frank, man to man discusion about plans, hopes and dreams. You probably don't want to miss this one.

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Maybe we could set up a podium, someone bring a speaker system. We can have a raffle drawing at the end for the pieces of my butt that get chewed off. Lights, camera, action.

I volunteer as keynote speaker on the merits of shooting an AR chambered in the 17HMR for "yotes" at 200 yards.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on September 18, 2009, 10:05 AM:
 
Randy, while you're at it. Perhaps you could also do a shooting 1/4" groups all day long,if you do your part seminar..LOL..
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on September 18, 2009, 10:26 AM:
 
Randy has cooked for the group a couple times, hauling iced shrimp and potatos a thousand miles, all by himself. He also fixed rattlesnake and bobcat for everybody. He's a popular guy, and we're lucky to have him. As I recall, he managed to kill a few coyotes, in his spare time? He's what they call a good ol' boy.

Good hunting. LB

[ September 18, 2009, 10:27 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 18, 2009, 03:01 PM:
 
Yep Randys good people.

Randy, can you elighten us some though? Inquiring minds want to know!

(especially before any cash or credit cards leave my hands)
 

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Posted by Kokopelli (Member # 633) on September 18, 2009, 04:40 PM:
 
What I have to wonder is; Will this new board be a reflection of the NPHA or will the NPHA be a reflection of the board?? Since we seem to be getting no information regarding exactly what the NPHA stands for, I have to assume that the powers that be in the NHPA are waiting to see how the bulletin board shapes up to decide what their core belifes are.

One thing's for sure....... we're going to have some interesting conversations around the campfire at the ronde.
 

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Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on September 19, 2009, 05:36 PM:
 
Andy we can trade stories, I am getting scheduled for neck surgey too. Last time they fused C7 to T1, now they are gonna do C3.4.5.6 to the old 7, I am flipping thrilled.
Carl
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on September 19, 2009, 06:22 PM:
 
Damn Carl. Your gonna have a stiff neck. Sorry to hear that.

Ive had my L2-3 and L3-4 fused in my lower back. I have been told that I need L1-2 and L4-5 fused as well, but have been able to make it on epideral injections every so often so far.

I had trouble with C5-6 about three years ago. Had an EMG done and thats what it said. I had a few epiderals there and its been ok since. I think this fall I had in June just went ahead and took that one out, it is ruptured, along with C4-5. So I get to have them fused. After my rotator surgery heals.

I have had shoulder trouble too. I have bone spurs on both shoulders and it causes an inpingment of the tendon and hurts like hell. Hes going to remove the spur on the left side when he does the surgery to repair the tear. Now, I think since I have been exculsively one handed for three months or so, I have aggrivated the spur on the right side and its hurting too. I have had several steroid injections in the shoulder in the past and they work for a while. I hope he can do that to buy time. I dont want to have that spur removed for as long as I can put if off.

Good luck to you Carl. Sounds like you have some major problems going on there. Best of luck to ya. I dont know where you live, but if close enough, maybe we can play pain pill poker sometime while healing up.
 

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Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on September 20, 2009, 01:41 PM:
 
That sounds funny, "I'll see your 2 codines and raise you perc.'' never played it but sounds fun!
 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on September 20, 2009, 02:29 PM:
 
Are you going to let Dr. Vic be the Dealer? ( There may be a small house take )
 

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Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on September 22, 2009, 03:50 PM:
 
Thanks Andy, I am up near Olympia Washington. pain pill poker sounds like a gas.
I have been holding off also but am losing strength in my arms and hands, lots of pain and nerve damage. hands going numb etc.
That shoulder stuff sounds bad.
I will be going in late October 2 days in hospital then 4 weeks at home with a brace, have to sleep sitting up for 2 weeks. Lucky I have 8 weeks of vacation saved up.
Carl
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 05, 2009, 05:05 AM:
 
I hadnt been there in a week. Still kinda smells a bit like PMS. I didnt spend a ton of time, but did see this.

Some fella posted that he was sorry the staff was away at various functions in various states. NASA asked why the masses werent notified of the functions ahead of time so they could go and Randy the Cajun copied and pasted from the TOS how your not supposed to question Admins actions in public but by email, pm, mail or phone call.

Many of the names and topics continue to add to the stentch.

Dammmit I was hopin this wasnt going to be a knockoff of PMS. There are some talented guys behind the wheel, but its smelling more and more like a Frogless PMS.
 

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Posted by Bofire (Member # 221) on October 05, 2009, 06:28 PM:
 
Seen the doc, I am scheduled for surgery 11/5. If ya aint doing anything special give me a quick thought OK?
Carl
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 05, 2009, 07:08 PM:
 
Will keep you in my thoughts carl.

Andy I saw the same post. Scared me off too. LOL. I think it would save a lot of grief if I just stayed clear of that board and organization.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 05, 2009, 08:25 PM:
 
Hey Q! Welcome back..
From what i've gathered the NPHA is trying to do what our state trapper org. have been trying to do for years to preserve the sport, educate people, and make law changes that we would benifit from. Not once have they mentioned fur and how a valueble resource it is or made any plans to help promote the fur industries.. If its all about just haveing a bunch of contests and lineing there pockets then they can have it..

[ October 05, 2009, 08:26 PM: Message edited by: TA17Rem ]
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 05, 2009, 09:44 PM:
 
The last thing in the world I want is to recruit more coyote hunters or more competitions. Why would any coyote hunter want to create more competition for himself? I get shut off or put off of several thousand acres every year because of tournament hunters.
I am not pimping anything and have no intentions of trying to cash in on the "sport" so it is really not in my best interest to get everyone involved.

I am not sure that making tournaments the main focus of an organization is a wise idea anyway. To john Q public a competition hunt is nothing more than a killing contest. It sounds like a PR nightmare to me?

I don't have anything against competition hunts but we have plenty already.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 05, 2009, 10:23 PM:
 
Quinton, I catch a lot of flack from people always passing judgement like why I don't take the new guys out and give back. But most of these guys want something for nothing and lack commitment. They expect and demand to know everything for nothing. I never made a dime on hunting predators, even selling cats, it just paid my expenses.

I don't want a new caller under every bush. I don't like all the popularity, I don't need the competition.

I do what I can, more than most, I might add, but I really prefer mixing with and talking to the guys that have the fever. It don't take me long to spot the fever.

Nope, popularity is not good for coyote hunting, and at this point, neither is contests. When we out here were the only ones running contest and nobody knew anything, it didn't matter. Now, I think you are right, it does impact, and substantially.

Good hunting. LB

[ October 06, 2009, 09:55 AM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 05, 2009, 11:34 PM:
 
I am glad I am not the only one that feels that way Leonard. I guess predator hunting means different things to different people. For me, for many years it was about individualism. I hunted alone for the most part all of the time. Partly because I liked the alone time and partly because I didn't want to share my areas or fur with anyone else. LOL

I have never really made a killing on the fur either but it pays my way and it is a labor of love.

Mainstreaming competition hunts is just another platform to expand and grow the "sport" for the industry. Foxpro I see now is trying to recruit top callers around the country to represent their products in this growing trend of competition hunting. More companies will surly follow suit.

This arena like any other is industry driven. The only individuals that are truly interested in it's expansion are those who stand to profit from it or intend to gain notoriety by being part of it. Or both?

It is just a natural progression I guess. People are socially oriented so in todays structured society it was simply a matter of time before something like this popped on to the scene.

Predator hunting is changing fast. It's either lead, follow or get out of the way. I think I will just get out of the way for now and just enjoy it for what it is while it lasts.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by DAA (Member # 11) on October 06, 2009, 06:05 AM:
 
I remember as a kid, less than 10 years old, out coyote hunting in Nevada with my Dad, and my Dad telling me that I better get it while the getting was good, because I was going to live to see the end of it.

Predator hunting as I practice it, and love it, has been disapearing from right before my eyes for a long time now. Actually, predator hunting the way I "used" to practice it, has been dead for quite a few years already. But there is a long line of guys, and the line is still growing, that are basically just waiting their turn, for a chance to view the bloated corpse of how I and I think a lot of us "used" to hunt predators. Few of them will ever even know that all they are getting is the dead remains.

But even the way I hunt now, and have been hunting for maybe ten years or so, which has had to change from the way I "used to", is disapearing. Faster and faster. Noticeable changes. Every year. There isn't even the slightest possibility that my Son will grow up to have any opportunity to enjoy the particular style of public land predator hunting that I'm so in love with. If I live another 20 years, I'll live long enough to see it go completely away myself. Hell, in just 10 more years, it's not going to be much like it is now, let alone how it was just 10 years ago.

Can't stop progress. I guess... Still sucks though.

From where I sit, the two worst things that could happen to "my" predator hunting world, in order, are more hunters and more or bigger contests.

I don't take new guys out.

I don't do contests.

So I'm selfish. Sue me...

- DAA
 

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Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on October 06, 2009, 08:53 AM:
 
TA,
I went into this thing with the hopes that they would become a powerful political voice for predator calling. As of this time I have been told that that will not be the case.
I dont understand why. After being asked by a member who was on board with this thing, I posted on another board who were being recruted, and was soundly attacked by one of the Officers for doing so. A real "dressing down" that I thought I did not deserve.
So.....I have resigned from the Organization, do not want anything to do with them now or in the future.
It is my firm belief I was asked to be on board for name recognition only, as I was never told by anyone exactly what my job was, what I could or couldnt say, or post, and i was lead to believe there would be a strong political front. I feel i have been used. AND NEVER given a chance to explain why I posted what I did.
This is not the kind of Organization I need.

A word to the wise......
keep an eye out for who will be brought on board. Odds are they will have little to nothing to do with predator calling.

As far as contest hunts go, whatever trips your trigger. They just are not my cup of tea. I only wanted to see a political org that would stand up to the coming onslaught that calling is going to get in the future. As far as I am concerned, you can make your own judgements about the NPHA.
I want nothing to do with them.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 06, 2009, 08:56 AM:
 
You are right DAA. I agree with you. It sure isn't like it use to be and it will never be like that again. I remember my dad telling me about deer hunting. He said when you ask a rancher to hunt they would just say get after it or "kill'em all."

Now days if you want to hunt deer you need to be close friends with a rancher or have your check book handy.

Predator hunting may not take exactly the same path as deer hunting has but one truth remains the same. The more money and more interest and more competition this industry generates the more our individual opportunities will dry up.

Call me greedy or what you want but I sure liked it the way it use to be.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 06, 2009, 09:05 AM:
 
I had a feeling that may have been why you jumped ship Steve. There are plenty of organizations out there that are designed and organized to fight hard for us as hunters and gun owners. I will focus my money and support where it really counts.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by skoal (Member # 1492) on October 06, 2009, 09:41 AM:
 
Steve said:
A word to the wise......
keep an eye out for who will be brought on board. Odds are they will have little to nothing to do with predator calling.

I will be watching! sounds more like B.A.S.S.
Than R.M.E.F.if thats the case who needs it.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2009, 09:52 AM:
 
As far as the NPHA, I intend to stay noncommital, (and neutral) as a favor to some friends that are involved. No, I don't want it to fail, and yes, it beats PM which is not saying a lot.

You know, forty dollars hardly buys a decent steak, these days, it ain't the money, but the money still sticks in my throat.

I don't get it? The things we have been reading about the confidentiality issues, and the private forums, and the (somewhat) weird TOS, lack of responses to specific questions, etc. It's starting to build up, but I withhold judgement. It's just a feeling. Please spit it out; where is this train headed and why should I care?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by tawnoper (Member # 497) on October 06, 2009, 10:20 AM:
 
Good post guys...

I agree 100% Q and DAA.

I've been saying the same thing now for the past few years. Lots of new guys coming along now for the sole intent of being somebody . Actually enjoying a nice hunt in the hills is the furthest thing on their mind. Rushing home to post a pic of their blown up summer coyote on 4 or 5 different sites better suites their need on becoming somebody

As I said, I've really seen a change the last 4 years or so. For a long time or at least throughout the 80's it seemed somewhat unusual to see a magazine article on predator hunting...nowadays you can't swing a dead cat without hitting a self appointed pro staff member.

BTW...here's an old article from 1964. How it used to be done...I'm sure all the Calif. guys will know right where it is.

Big Bores For Bobcats
 

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Posted by TA17Rem (Member # 794) on October 06, 2009, 10:23 AM:
 
Thanks Steve for clearing a few things up..
From meeting you many times and talking to you in person i know they lost a good man to have on there side..

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I went into this thing with the hopes that they would become a powerful political voice for predator calling. As of this time I have been told that that will not be the case

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If this is true then what is there plans???
To just promote contest hunting!!!
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 06, 2009, 10:35 AM:
 
There are several people involved with it that I highly respect so I really haven't said much until now "but!". It will all come out in the wash.

I don't like censorship period. If some one has something to say they should be allowed to voice there concerns. If they are being a jackass then so be it. Leave it up so everyone can see there a jackass.

If you start banning people or censoring what they say just because you don't agree with them there will be trouble. At first glance the new bbs look like the land of the banned.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to those involved but if it is going to impact my livelihood then I am going to voice my opinion. Calling up or writing the administration is pointless. I know where they stand. I think if you are going to talk about something then talk. Air it out on the boards and let the chips fall where they may.

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2009, 10:45 AM:
 
Interesting link, tawnoper. BTW, is it possible I might know you?

I probably have that issue of Guns And Ammo in the garage? Did you see the ad for a baby Browning 25ACP for $32?

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 06, 2009, 10:45 AM:
 
Steve, I hate to correspond to you in this manor but I see no replies from you privately. I mean no disrespect to you but it’s possible that you’ll find any rebuttal I make to be offensive. I’d never attempt to match merits or experience with you, and I hope my post isn’t considered such.

As you know, you’ve been a great influence in my success and drive as a predator caller and as an advocate for trapping and hunting rights in Indiana. Having only known you for a little less than 10 years I feel you’ve made a considerable impact on my life in many ways. You’ve generously shared advice, taken me hunting and even welcomed me into your home; I hope I have never appeared to be anything but appreciative and respectful to you and your family.

Given my background with you, and the numerous mutual friends we share who hold you in high regard, I personally placed your name into the ring for an advisory position with the NPHA. Plain and simple, our relationship and history with one another are why you were asked to assist us in an advisory capacity. You obviously hold great name recognition in the predator calling world and I believe that is a clear reciprocation of the above stated credentials. Given that your position was an advisory position, there was little benefit to any name recognition you may have. I believe this is a major point of confusion for you, and I’m willing to presume it is my fault.

Your position with the NPHA was not intended to be a front-line, trail-blazing spearhead and widely-acknowledged capacity. As I unsuccessfully attempted to explain to you, we didn’t want you taking the internet-heat for NPHA (we knew it was inevitable). This continued battle would not serve you well, it would not serve the organization well, and it would distract from the effectiveness of your position as an advisor.

The NPHA made no mentioning of your name, or others, anywhere. You made the decision to announce your involvement, you opened up dialogue in public forums, and you eventually even stated your unofficial title as well as those of 3 others. The NPHA had numerous reasons to keep advisors confidential, not the least of which was to prevent “Throwing them under the bus” or “Using their name”. The NPHA has tried to remain sensitive and cautious to unforeseen issues that may arise from our actions. You, your personal life and your good name were all taken into constant consideration during your involvement with the National Predator Hunters Association.

As for your comments about not knowing a job description, what you could/couldn’t share publicly and our efforts to become an advocate for hunters rights… I have reviewed our correspondence thoroughly and I’m sorry to say that I disagree. If you need this information re-sent to you, please just ask.

As I’ve told you a handful of times, I regret that I was out of town and unavailable as your resignation was handed in. After returning to civilization and reviewing the details, you admitted making a mistake and you quickly resigned from your unofficial position within hours of acknowledging such. Unfortunately the NPHA Board (minus-me) was unable to prevent you from making a mistake, or resigning, and that course of events cannot be undone. I notice you take issue with “one officer” but please notice he repeatedly spoke and signed on behalf of the BOD (minus-me).

Steve, I have spent many sleepless nights trying to develop the groundwork for an advocacy (not advisory) position in which I believe you could serve the NPHA in a great capacity. I had no way of knowing that you wanted “nothing to do with this organization” as you just stated above. Our last conversations seemed to reflect remorse for the resignation situation but ambition and excitement for the opportunities that lay ahead. I will continue working toward these lofty goals held by the National Predator Hunters Association, if you ever find an interest in supporting them again I hope you’ll contact me immediately.

To others, I’m sure we all agree that I couldn’t begin to cover all the misconceptions and conspiracy theories that consume this thread and others. The National Predator Hunters Association has no ambition to GROW the wildly popular sport of predator calling. I see a lot of assumptions and conjecture about what NPHA is or will be, and perhaps rightfully so. I simply ask, on behalf of the organization, that you go to the source for information. A lot of these comments about contests and their role in NPHA’s future are completely and entirely false. Any public event that drawls predator callers together can be a great tool for membership recruitment. Membership recruitment is obviously a primary goal of any fledgling organization like NPHA. Any information floating around the internet about NPHA’s involvement in hunting contests above and beyond the context of member recruitment and fun activities for our membership is likely assumption and conjecture.

PS: Q, you seem to have a misunderstanding of a discussion forum and a national organization. I have yet to find the discussion forum for NRA, RMEF, NWTF or DU where members and officers battle out the inner-workings of their organization. If you have forum issues, I believe you'll find the forum administrators are happy to discuss it there. If you have organizational issues/questions, please feel free to contact the proper folks to have them addressed.

Jason R. Bruce
NPHA President
1-877-663-4695
JasonRBruce@TheNPHA.com

(Edit: Fixed the phone number)

[ October 06, 2009, 11:01 AM: Message edited by: Jrbhunter ]
 

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Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on October 06, 2009, 11:23 AM:
 
"I see no replies from you privately."

I cant reply if I wasnt contacted first.

I have no beef with you Jason. None what so ever.
But your Treas. is another story. the guy is a jerk, and needs some people skills in the worst way.

Here is what you sent me:
*A "Governing Member" shall serve a life term unless otherwise determined by resignation or a vote of the other Governing Members. There are 4 Governing Members currently and shall be no more than 10.

You told me that the 4 were myself and 3 others. then you sent me this:

You'll have a PDF press release in your inbox on Tuesday morning; feel free to share it with the world. It's a fair assesment of where we are, and where we're going, without legal/political/complicated implications. Please allow us, as an organization, to deliver our message the way we want too... in our court... on our timeframe. Call me anytime day or night with questions; I am working hard to get your answers ironed out.

I shared it with the world, and was scourged for doing so!
So I am done!
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 06, 2009, 11:34 AM:
 
Steve, thanks for the reply.

Your posting of my email to you sums things up fairly well.

You'll have a PDF press release in your inbox on Tuesday morning; feel free to share it with the world. It's a fair assesment of where we are, and where we're going, without legal/political/complicated implications. Please allow us, as an organization, to deliver our message the way we want too... in our court... on our timeframe. Call me anytime day or night with questions; I am working hard to get your answers ironed out.

Of course given the chaotic situation of travel and lack of communication, there was no "PDF on Tuesday" and therein lies the rub.

I am greatly relieved to see you hold no anymosity toward me over this unfortunate series of events Steve. I apologize for any mistakes or oversight on my part that may have contributed to your conflict with our treasurer. I am certain many of you will find the NPHA an organization worthy of your support in the future. Some of you will not.

Thanks for your time;
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on October 06, 2009, 12:34 PM:
 
As Cher would say, "and the beat goes on".
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 06, 2009, 02:37 PM:
 
okay folks, sing along; drums keep pounding rhythm to the brain, lauddie lauddie dee, lauddie lauddie dah and the beat goes on, and the beat goes on.....

Looks like you need an Information Czar, Jason?
 

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Posted by Steve Craig (Member # 12) on October 06, 2009, 02:47 PM:
 
Had a long post all typed out, but decided against it....
It has been made clear that the NPHA doesnt need or want me, and that is fine.
It is their loss.
I have better things to do than argue the merits of this Organization.
Again.....I hold no anamosity toward you Jason.
I'll get over the raw deal I was given, and will move on.
No big deal in the scheme of life.
We all will probably die just in time anyway.
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 06, 2009, 04:12 PM:
 
Leonard, I have a resume here from a guy named William Martz that applied for that position. He put you down as a reference? Any chance he'll pass a drug test?

In all seriousness, we're trying to keep our www.TheNPHA.com homepage as informative and user-friendly as possible. The vast majority of our NPHA members are not active on discussion forums so the homepage, newsletters and direct interaction with them will remain our primary source of communication. Given the clear means by which information is conveyed to members, and questions may be asked to staff, I'm not sure the Czar is justified just yet.
 

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Posted by JoeF (Member # 228) on October 06, 2009, 06:08 PM:
 
Jrb, I'm just a simple old hillbilly but I'll give you a hint.

None of the shit you posted above reads very well.
 

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Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on October 06, 2009, 07:21 PM:
 
JRB,I was given a flyer at the Nebraska Fur Harvesters convention and in the mission statement its self it mentions organized events. In the print below the mission statement it says that the NPHA will be hosting DOZENS of events. To clarify what events meant I visited the web sight and all the events you had listed were competition hunts I beleve? Most were listed as brand new events being created by the NPHA. There is even an online contest you guys are starting right now.

I don't think it is unreasonable to assume after reading the flyer and the web sight that the organization is getting geared up to sanction and create as many competition hunts as possible is it?

Other than window decals carring cards, members forums and maybe a raffle or two what else is there to the organization that you can't be apart of for free online?

Good hunting.

Q,
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on October 06, 2009, 08:35 PM:
 
I had hoped the NPHA would be something different than what it's turned out to be.

It's amazing how many people have jumped on a ship without knowing where it's going or what they're going to do when it gets there.
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 06, 2009, 09:24 PM:
 
Carl, Ill keep you in my prayers. Thats a pretty big surgery.

Mines getting better. Still hurts like hell. I start therapy tomorrow. I go back Nov 2nd to get the neck surgery going so I can get done by end of the year to save another deductible.

Jason, Im glad you came on here and talked about it a little. I think you should have done it a long time ago. I wish you the best. I will call you soon. Ive had my hands full today and probably will tomorrow too, but will call soon.
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on October 06, 2009, 10:42 PM:
 

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As far as the NPHA, I intend to stay noncommital, (and neutral) as a favor to some friends that are involved. No, I don't want it to fail, and yes, it beats PM which is not saying a lot

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In the end, there can be only one. thanks Leonard

http://www.huntmastersbbs.com/cgi/cgi-ubb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=6;t=002099#000002
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on October 07, 2009, 08:01 AM:
 
"It's amazing how many people have jumped on a ship without knowing where it's going or what they're going to do when it gets there."

I think it was more or less a bunch of people jumping off a ship that was sinking (pms). Those shit heads have banned more people than most sites have. That will end when a better site comes on line. I was hoping NPHA was going to be that site.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on October 07, 2009, 08:20 AM:
 
"I think it was more or less a bunch of people jumping off a ship that was sinking (pms). Those shit heads have banned more people than most sites have. That will end when a better site comes on line. I was hoping NPHA was going to be that site."

Ya, it had the look of a sharp stick in a frogs eye but...

If only we had some place to go where we could freely post and wasn't about making a buck...
 

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Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on October 07, 2009, 11:39 AM:
 
I'm thinking, I'm thinking.
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2009, 11:45 AM:
 
It's HUNTMASTERS, you old fossil!
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on October 07, 2009, 12:34 PM:
 
Clarification for my above post.

Due to my warped sense of humor and the lack of same from others, determined by questions asked via phone and e mail today. I was referencing the fact that I had told Leonard I didn't want to loose the only two friends I have in the above link.

I was suggesting I am now down to one (friend) based on Leonard's comment in this thread.
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on October 07, 2009, 01:24 PM:
 
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Indeed I've wondered the same thing myself lately. Hmmmmmm where could it be ??

Wait its already been pointed out, its been right here all along..LOL..
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 07, 2009, 01:35 PM:
 
Randy, Im stil your friend. I know I dont carry much water, but for what its worth, I hold you pretty high. I gotta wonder why you hung around at PMS, but Ive wondered that about alot of folks I like.

That place sucks ass. PMS that is.
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on October 07, 2009, 04:03 PM:
 
Thanks Andy. Yes it was a poor attempt at humor that got lost in the translation from Cajunese.

I know what you are saying. I am truly belssed in the friends I have made since I began perusing the internet forums. Before I found the internet, I had never met another coyote caller, that I had not introduced to the game. I can now not count the friends I made doing this. From the East coast to the west, there are some truly great individuals. I reckon that is why I stayed so long, there was allways that sliver of hope I could help these same friends in some small way.
 

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Posted by TOM64 (Member # 561) on October 07, 2009, 04:17 PM:
 
For clarification, I too still consider Randy a friend, haven't lost any friends during this and hope not to.

I have been surprised at how the NPHA has unfolded. For me it seemed like Randy was starting a new forum, I and several others supported him, kind of a checkmate to the frog. Then we see later that JRB was the driving force and he and his crew have a whole other agenda. One I don't care for, no big deal but I do think the situation and a few names were used to draw in the masses.

It's been said before that calling has become too commerialized and I see this as just another way to make a buck until it (the sport) implodes.

I hope I'm wrong and the NPHA becomes a strong advocate for our hobby against PETA and other animal rights laws but so far all we have is sanctioned contests. I received an e-mail today calling the whole mess "fraud and deception", I kind of agree.
 

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Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on October 07, 2009, 04:50 PM:
 
I also took the wait and see approach on how the organization would unfold. So far I'm glad, I held on to my money. This doesn't mean I have anything against those involved either. Heck, if the agenda changes someday, I might still join, but for now it appears to be a traveling coyote contest. I too, was hoping for something different...
 

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Posted by Dave Allen (Member # 3102) on October 07, 2009, 06:52 PM:
 
Randy there's no doubt you're heart is in the right place. Or you wouldn't do the thing's that you do, Why else would you call an internet trouble maker like myself & explain how to check barrel twist & help with other thing's as you have ??

It become's complicated & difficult when one is associated with boards that seem too have "odd" agenda's ?? I still believe in ya..

This NPHA thing I dunno about & am backing away for now. Perhap's its a situation where only time will tell ??
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2009, 07:53 PM:
 
Yeah, "evolve". Just like PM "evolved" to what it is today. Didn't happen right away, but it started going south when I left.

Maybe we need to give this new board some time to get their game face on? Policies can be tweaked here and there, U turns when called for, stuff like that.

If all they do is drain the membership blood out of PM, that's worth celebrating. If they lose a little financial backing and have to cut back payroll, gee, I feel real bad for Bbar, especially.

Good hunting. LB
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 07, 2009, 08:38 PM:
 
JRB, I will call you. Ive been busy as hell. But I want to ask you a favor. Just so you know, Ill say publicly what I said in email, I like you, consider you a friend and dont want to see you fail in anything you do. I mean that. Thats not at all my intention for even talking about this. You do know, however, that I pretty much call it as I see it.

I know you said everything I need to know is spelled out on your new site. How about this. To put it all in perspective, why dont you make a post right here in this thread and, in laymans terms for dumbasses like me, lay out the goals and intentions of the new organization. You are a standup guy and I trust you. I dont see why it should be a problem to do just that.

I think it would stop alot of rumors and hard feelings. Then people can make their minds up either yes, I want in or no, I dont want to touch it.

Alot of good guys watch this board daily that may not read all of your site, just the forum, kind of like I did. Maybe this will put alot of stuff to bed, one way or another.

[ October 07, 2009, 08:40 PM: Message edited by: Andy L ]
 

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Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on October 07, 2009, 09:02 PM:
 
They are all good guys, Andy. That's why I made everybody Pro Staff. Except you, and btw, you ain't getting a check from Orbitz, either.

Good hunting. LB

edit: PS anybody that wants to change their custom title to Pro Staff, just request it. It may be the only chance you will have to be somebody special, looked up to, etc.

[ October 07, 2009, 09:06 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 07, 2009, 10:29 PM:
 
I dont want to lose my title. But could you please add pro staff in there somewhere? I feel so left out and unimportant.
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on October 07, 2009, 10:44 PM:
 
"I didn't realize there was a second part to the question" Mitch Hedberg

Along those lines, when growing up I wanted to be a fire fighter. Now I, like Andy, want to be a prostaffer. Just pick one but I would feel complete with that added to my title.
 

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Posted by Jrbhunter (Member # 459) on October 07, 2009, 11:00 PM:
 
“The National Predator Hunters Association

“To unite predator callers through education and advocacy, while promoting the camaraderie of organized events.”

Andy, as innocent as it may seem to “lay it all out” I believe deep down you realize it simply isn’t a logical approach for a legitimate organization to discuss and inevitably debate their policies and procedures on a forum like this. Each successful organization in this country agrees, just make a post and ask them.

The assumptions and emotion often run wild when discussions like this are opened up on keyboards. Look how far the “hunting contests” derailment has taken us today? I’ll clarify a few points that I see remain fuzzy but that’s about all I can do. I'll keep the phone handy tomorrow.

As I addressed privately with Q earlier, “Organized Events” describe trapping conventions, hunting expos, calling seminars and hunting contests. We’ve made appearances at a dozen trapping conventions in the last couple weeks, handing out a few thousand brochures. Since Q already has his, I believe our volunteers and affiliates will have placed 24,999 brochures directly in the hands of other sportsmen by the end of this month.

Next spring and summer we hope to reconvene with several of those “organized events” along with additional predator calling (stage) contest and seminars. Throughout the winter we hope to make appearances at some of the larger hunting expos and banquets. We’ll also support existing hunting events with what we call an “affiliate” program, basically meaning we tell folks about their hunts in our events page and they tell folks about our organization with banners/hats/brochures. One of our many staffing weaknesses right now is a man to juggle all these events and get them on the publicized schedule. The events schedule looks lopsided right now since the trapping conventions have passed and the spring/summer events aren’t yet scheduled. I realize this, and acknowledged such to Q.

One primary focus of a fledgling organization like NPHA has to be building membership. One of the fundamental keys to this, in our opinion, is a grassroots campaign to meet sportsmen where they are… in the field or at the shows. Trapping conventions have been fairly productive for us so far, we suspect organized hunting & calling events will do the same. As membership builds, the organization can gain a clearer focus on its lofty goals ahead. This volunteer staff is working day and night to solidify the foundation and operations of our organization as our membership base grows. We’re not geniuses but we’re smart enough to realize it. Mistakes will be realized, opportunities will be embraced, and the focus will remain on our mission statement.

With millions of ads & articles printing and tens-of-millions of television viewers about to be introduced to the NPHA this winter, we believe the membership will continue to strengthen this organization. This is not a whiz-bang project and will not be an overnight process.

In the first week of publicity, the NPHA was contacted about its stance on wolf hunting in Idaho and Gun Rights in Colorado. With all due respect, let’s be realistic here. Not only are those battles logistically unattainable (lacking finances, influence & manpower) they would be foolish investments for any organization in its infancy. Merely discussing those issues hypothetically, in these early days, would make the organization vulnerable on numerous fronts. If you refer back to our mission statement, you’ll see where we want to be in time. Publicly issuing a detailed road map on our plans for advocacy at this point would be foolish and dangerous. I realize that not doing so will inevitably prevent some folks from joining until they can see progress in that direction.

The National Predator Hunters Association has not set out to grow the increasingly popular sport of predator calling. We’ve put a ban on shipping NPHA decals to 63556 & 74301 zip codes just in case. Instead, we hope to foster a structure by which this growing sport may stand up for itself when necessary.

NPHA didn’t come onto the scene as competition with existing hunts, forums or anyone else. There is nothing like this out there for predator callers, perhaps that is a testament to just how crazy the idea really is? It is our belief that the NPHA will mature into a group many predator callers will support. Some will not.

The long term viability of this organization is my utmost concern and no amount of people-pleasing posts today will allow our organization to solidify the future of predator calling 20 years down the road. I suspect the fires of confusion and assumption will continue to rage. Not all of them will be unjustified. There will be wobbles and stumbles but the end result will be a fully functional non-profit organization with a large network of supporters and allies fighting toward our mission statement. We can and will have an impact on the future of predator calling but it will not be accomplished by officers quarreling on the internet. I respectfully ask that those with questions direct them to me privately or catch me between rounds at the campout. Those waiting on the next train derailment please bring a good book. Or two.

Thanks;

Jason R. Bruce
NPHA President
1-877-663-4695

www.TheNPHA.com
JasonRBruce@TheNPHA.com
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 08, 2009, 02:54 AM:
 
Honestly Jason, it was just that innocent. I am ignorant of how to run any kind of organization like this. I didnt know it would be foolish to discuss it on a forum.

Thank you for at least acknowleging it. I will have time today and will call you. Im interested and want you to know that I am not trying to harm you. Just want to understand. I hear the rumor mill and just dont know what to make of it.

Thanks
 

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Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on October 08, 2009, 04:18 AM:
 

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With the millions of people that are soon to be reached there is bound to be millions of questions involved and obviously millions of dollars. My first question would be "where is all the money going?"

Is it going to be used for JRB and some buddies to jet set around the country or world and hunt predators so they can brag about it in there news letter? And promote the NPHA on the way? Does the NPHA have a kill them all "year around" position?

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Well i see Jason just got back from Montana where he had a meeting with one of the sponsors so i guess thats where some of the money went..It would of been nice if he could of taken a few of the members along sinch we are most likely paying for the trip..or maybe the money came out of his own pocket..

I don't think the president of NPHA even knows how to skin a coyote plus he has been known to kill coyotes dureing the off season, so i think i know where he stands as far as year round hunting goes..
 

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Posted by tawnoper (Member # 497) on October 08, 2009, 10:52 AM:
 

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I can see JRBs point in not wanting to hash everything out in an open forum. It is a loose/loose situation from his stand point. I have more of an open book policy but that is just my personality.

For me I just don't think it is an organization that is going to do me any good. No matter how you slice it an organizations survival depends on its membership. In this organization it looks like about 99 percent of its focus is membership recruitment.

With the millions of people that are soon to be reached there is bound to be millions of questions involved and obviously millions of dollars. My first question would be "where is all the money going?"

Is it going to be used for JRB and some buddies to jet set around the country or world and hunt predators so they can brag about it in there news letter? And promote the NPHA on the way? Does the NPHA have a kill them all "year around" position?

With the potential of generating considerable amount of money I think every dime should be accounted for. Maybe it will?

I just know that if the monies are going to be used to pad a few fat cats hunting fund it isn't going to fly.

I am skeptic le I guess. It seams like a universal theme to introduce more people to "the fastest growing sport in the INDUSTRY" LOL But no one slows down long enough to ask why?

In predator hunting more people equate to more competition for our already diminishing opportunities. I as well as most people reading this thread have personally felt the repercussions of the new found popularity of the "sport."

Well, those of us that have been in it for 15 or 20 plus years. The newbies know nothing different. I'll stick with my gut feeling and keep my distance. In the end the ones pushing and promoting this are the ones that reap the rewards and usual perks of the positions. The rest of us loose in one fashion or another.

Good hunting.

Q,

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Posted by Semp (Member # 3074) on October 08, 2009, 12:31 PM:
 

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Leonard wrote: About the $25, or $41, whatever it is? Is this an annual membership, or a one time charge?

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Annual Membership fee is $25

Or you can get a Lifetime Membership for $350
 

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Posted by RagnCajn (Member # 879) on October 08, 2009, 12:44 PM:
 
Now Leonard, I can whittle on that end of the stick.



That question could actually be posed on the NPHA forum, not a problem. We are there to listen and discuss idea on how to make it a better place to hang your hats and discuss various aspects of predator hunting.



If it is a forum issue, everyone should feel free to ask and we will try to come up with an answer. Our TOS is not that much different than a majority of others. I gathered the TOS from several successfull family oriented hunting forums, chose the most common themes, Added a couple items I had seen cause major problems in the past and put it out there.



The part about NPHA Organizational questions being directed to the organization is an end of the stick, neither the mods or my self should be whittling on.



True, we don’t have a political forum, nor a dog forum, AR forum, 17 cal forum, or a “my pecker is bigger than your pecker’ forum, all of which are of considerable interest to the average coyote hunter. The amazing thing about the internet is that these can all be considered in the future and some may be added and some may go. As it stand, we have most forums pretty active which is a good thing for the ones reading and participating there.



I think you will find, with the moderators assembled there, a level headedness, fair opportunity to discuss the topics that can be whittled on appropriately. At least that is my goal.



I think the NPHA organization will continue too succeed as it matures. The forums will too. Remeber this thing is only a few weeks old. If you are skepticle just take a wait and see attitude but keep an open mind
 

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Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on October 08, 2009, 01:44 PM:
 
I have a few qusestions too.....and I'm not sure who can answer them or who can't with out being dismissed.

So basically the forums are just another hunting forum, but with the NPHA tag, but in a round about way, with no association with it at all?

I got that at aleast 4 other sites, what makes this one any better?

I also noticed its great to praise it but bad to question it, or ask questions about it already?(Seems to be on the road to the PM school of reign?) Whats up with that? Plus see NASA.

What does a member get for his/her $25? So far I see no added benefit, but the padding of some pockets for guys no one has ever heard of, and the kicker is they are there for life or until they don't fit in with the group running it? (What a retirement plan if your goal is to feed on all the internet newbies and the 2000 post in 6 month guys that came from PM.)

So as it stands you offer nothing for my $25 I can't get else where for free?
 

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Posted by Andy L (Member # 642) on October 08, 2009, 04:49 PM:
 
Randy, if I ran a board, it would be much like this one. Pretty much say anything your man enough to back up.

Run it like that, fuck TOS.


 

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Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on October 09, 2009, 08:56 AM:
 
Randy, It's the TOS that kept my money in my pocket. I've a good friend in Indiana who asked me to check it out and Join, while I trust his judgment, I can't get past the idea that we are not allowed to question one of the Officers.

While I agree that sensitive subjects should not be discussed on an open forum, as you can never know who will read what is written. And I believe you can never win an argument on the internet, too many armchair experts, those TOS just seem to go a little too far for my tastes.

But I wish the best of luck to the new Org. and I hope that my fears are proven wrong soon.

BTW, you got more friends that you've got fingers, I've thought of you as a friend since the first time we met.

Tim
 

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I think the NPHA organization will continue too succeed as it matures. The forums will too. Remeber this thing is only a few weeks old. If you are skepticle just take a wait and see attitude but keep an open mind

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