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Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 12, 2008, 04:23 PM:
Guy from Sturgis ran it. For the life of me I can't remember his name. His side kick was a guy named Norm. First place I met my buddy Doug and Crow Woman and Raven.
Had a chat room. That was neat.
Boy that seems like a hundred years ago.
Remember back when Ed Sceery was on the boards. I liked ole Ed
Didn't Ed and Wiley always argue the upwind/downwind thing??
Ah....memories
Ah memories
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 12, 2008, 04:32 PM:
Bob Davis.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 12, 2008, 04:33 PM:
http://web.archive.org/web/20 011109182701/www.possecountry.com/cgi-bin/if/imageFolio.cgi?action=view&link=Member_pictures&image=crow.jpg&img=&tt=
Hope Crow's doing fine
hell yes I remember that board. Bob set a good example on how to run a board. Back before the ego and arrogance took over.
[ August 12, 2008, 04:51 PM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 12, 2008, 04:37 PM:
Yep, thats it. Bob Davis
Great guy
Can't believe I forgot his name
Whatever happened to Bob and Norm?
Posted by bearmanric (Member # 223) on August 12, 2008, 04:58 PM:
what was the shade tree.Rick
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on August 12, 2008, 05:29 PM:
Call a coyote into your truck cap trick.
I wasn't too keen to the internet in those days yet. I was a lurker but I don't think I even knew how post back then! I do keenly remember the coyote into the cab video. I was fooled. I am keen to the truth now though. ![[Smile]](smile.gif)
Say, wasn't that a Black Board???
[ August 12, 2008, 05:34 PM: Message edited by: Locohead ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 12, 2008, 05:40 PM:
Norm Hale is Bob Davis' cousin. Haven't seen either around for awhile. The shade tree was the predator forum owned by Bruce Kennedy that preceded Posse Country.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 12, 2008, 07:07 PM:
How about the "Old Huntmasters" and that skinny old fart that moderated the predator forum?
Or the H.I.S board, and the non-stop train wreck. The RB vs BM hunt that never happened?
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 13, 2008, 06:08 AM:
http://web.archive.org/web/20020827115158/www.possecountry.com/possepa ges/moderators/leonard/leonard.htm
I assume you don't look a day older. ![[Wink]](wink.gif)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021028014041/www.geocities.com/crittertrapper/
Remember this one. "On another note boys, always remember, if you are calling "Cry Babies, Blow a Whino,"
[ August 13, 2008, 06:59 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
Posted by Tim Behle (Member # 209) on August 13, 2008, 03:39 PM:
Wow! Now there is a site I haven't seen in a while! I think that was my third web site to build. I nearly got divorced over building it, and the first two. That was in the days before drag and drop page building. Everything was typed out by hand in pure HTML code. I even spent several evenings at the local college library reading text books on how to write it. It took almost a full week just to write out a single page, then go back and edit the previous pages with hotlinks and references to it.
I recognize Leonard's bio in the other link, but who's the young guy in the pictures? ![[Confused]](confused.gif)
Does Bob Davis still run Biker week up in Sturgis? The meanest thing he ever did was to install web cams in stratigic locations there in Sturgis, and give us all free access. Right up until the day all of the Bikers showed up, and then everyone who was wanting to check out the biker chicks suddenly found that they needed to pay $15 to use the web cams. ![[Eek!]](eek.gif)
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2008, 03:51 PM:
Interestingly, this was taken very recently, and not far from the previous pic. (in bio)
[ August 13, 2008, 03:54 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Locohead (Member # 15) on August 13, 2008, 03:59 PM:
Sheeesh! I didn't even know people were in color back then.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 13, 2008, 04:42 PM:
It's not Loco, that original is a tin-type photo plate....kind of fusia colored. Due to modern technology,and colorization processes discovered in the last 50 years, that ancient photo has been brought back to new life....amazing huh?
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on August 13, 2008, 04:54 PM:
That was picture was redone with that colorization process that Al Gore invented.
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 13, 2008, 05:12 PM:
I didn't know that Jerry, the dentist from the first Bob Newhart show, hunted coyotes. How cool is that?!?
Posted by Cdog911 (Member # 7) on August 13, 2008, 05:13 PM:
Looking again, it would seem from the scenery that Leonard, or Jerry, or whoever, really took the term "scorched earth" to heart.
Were they hard to see coming in, Jerry?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2008, 05:45 PM:
Bagdad, California south of Old Route 66, looking northwest in the direction of Las Vegas...but before there was a Las Vegas.
The hat is Foothill Little League, Upland, where I was some minor functionary when my kid played ball. He's 44 now, so that photo was probably 1975-76?
Good hunting. LB
edit: that area has an extensive lava flow, Lance.
[ August 13, 2008, 05:46 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Rich Higgins (Member # 3) on August 13, 2008, 06:04 PM:
Leonard, Tyler wants to know if you have any photos of you with large predators that you have called in. Like a T-Rex or velociraptor.
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 13, 2008, 06:30 PM:
Leonard
When I was looking at that pictures I thought that the rocks looked like the craters of the moon in Idaho. Old lava fields
Posted by J. Piatt (Member # 2827) on August 13, 2008, 06:56 PM:
Damn Leonard, wheres your camo pants, headnet and lanyard at?
JD
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 13, 2008, 07:19 PM:
There's a lanyard there, somewhere? In that particular location, you can hunker down in the middle of the splits in the rocks, just your eyes showing, and don't really need camo.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 13, 2008, 07:26 PM:
Looks alot like Baker! lots a lava.
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on August 13, 2008, 09:36 PM:
Yes, I remember the Predator Possee. Lots of volcanos and lava flows in the southern California deserts. One of the reasons they have so many earthquakes.
Leonard, you were always better looking then me, that's why I never took any pictures. You have no idea what it's like to be coyote ugly.
Your son is 44? Wow, I remember him hunting with you.
[ August 13, 2008, 09:39 PM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
Posted by Crow Woman (Member # 157) on August 13, 2008, 10:00 PM:
WOW Greenside... that's an old pic of me! And to answer your question... yes, I'm doing fine. Still healing... long process. Face is really sore from all of the massaging I have to do to keep the scar tissue from forming...but it's all good
Dang... I wish I looked that good nowadays... lol I just turned 46 today or yesterday now... and I'm feeling it!
I remember that board well! That was my first meeting of many of you and I will treasure that!
Posted by smithers (Member # 646) on August 14, 2008, 07:43 PM:
That looks like a very small pony not a coyote.
Were you using a Musket on that particular hunt!?
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on August 14, 2008, 08:02 PM:
I remember it Mule, matter fact I think we got aquainted in the chat room. ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif)
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 15, 2008, 09:38 PM:
Thats right Alaska!
How ya been? Man I haven't talked to you in a long while
Posted by Alaskan Yoter (Member # 169) on August 16, 2008, 12:36 AM:
Well thats cause ya up and vanished for a while. Then ya reappeared her not long ago.
I have been doing great but probably real close to the same as when we used to chat.
I hope all is going well with you these days?
[ August 16, 2008, 12:37 AM: Message edited by: Alaskan Yoter ]
Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on August 16, 2008, 08:51 PM:
I remember both Shade tree and Predator Posse. I had it in my head it was called Posse Country though, but I could be wrong.
I met my coyote hunting partner there and remember several of the folks you talked about.
Wasn't it on the Posse board where Higgins first started putting horns on the E.L.K.'s or am I mistaken again?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 16, 2008, 11:18 PM:
Shadetree and "Arizona Predator Posse" go together, brainchild of Bruce Kennedy. It's been gone a long time. Yes, the name of Bob Davis's Board was Posse Country . Actually, Huntmasters and Posse Country were created about the same time, basically because of the demise of Shadetree . Shortly after Will set up Predator Masters , Bob transfered the entire membership of Posse Country to Predator Masters and closed Posse Country . Huntmasters sort of languished as a satellite of the North American Hunters Board with onecoyote as moderator. He drifted away somewhere and I got lynched at Predator Masters and decided to take over Huntmasters and eventually split it off from North American Hunters . But, way back then, Predator Masters got a tremendous advantage by doubling their membership overnight, literally.
Huntmasters does not solicit members, its all word of mouth, and suffers from not having "predator" or "coyote" in the title for the search engines. So, as a consequence, we are much smaller, membership wise.
Good hunting. LB
edit: forgot to mention Coyote Gods , which emerged at the same time as Huntmasters and Posse Country .
[ August 16, 2008, 11:26 PM: Message edited by: Leonard ]
Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on August 17, 2008, 05:49 AM:
Thank you Leonard. I knew most of it, but some of it I did not. The stuff I did know was kind of hazy so I'm glad I have it clear now. I do remember PM getting the Posse's membership which makes a bunch of the membership bogus, because I had to register again to get on PM. I know PM's number is hugely inflated, but you can't convince anyone else of it.
BTW, I had almost forgot about Coyote Gods. It seems that John Henry didn't like my weapon of choice nor my questions so I quietly exited their camp years ago. Stil a few boys on there though that I consider friends.
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 17, 2008, 09:24 AM:
I think Bob still moderates a board, by the name of "Texas Predator Posse" Ive been there once or twice, almost exclusively for the Texas boys....as the name indicates. Might not be the same Bob? not sure.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2008, 10:01 AM:
Nopey dopey. That's Bob Connell. Bob Davis is heavy into the biker rally stuff. I heard, at one time, he owned fifteen message boards, don't know how true it is?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 17, 2008, 10:02 AM:
Vic,
I believe Bob Connell runs The Texas Predator Posse.
Heck of a good guy.
Which one is "Evil Bob", from California, that ran PM when I showed up?
I thought he was a stand-up guy.
Krusty 
[ August 17, 2008, 10:04 AM: Message edited by: Krustyklimber ]
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 17, 2008, 10:19 AM:
Ok ok, I was trying to remember his last name....I stand corrected. Im sure at a loss for remembering Bob Davis, guess Im suffering the early stages of partial-hiemers.
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 17, 2008, 10:40 AM:
Krusty, I remember the "Bob" that you are talking about. I beleive he was a head honch at PM for awhile? It seems like I remember him being from CA. He was one of those guys that came in and was all friendly and posted a few pics and whoosh he was suddenly in power and like usual, things went downhill from there. Like many after him, this "Bob" claimed brotherhood to Will Craig even though Will was likely dead by the time that "Bob" took a job with PM. I think that was about the time Craig Hamilton was appointed spokesman and he was another poor choice. Heck, I think Leonard had to send him packing from HM, if I remember corectly?
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2008, 10:51 AM:
Craig wasn't banned. That was just another unfair situation, like Redfrog free to say what he wants over here, while I can't even use the search feature, over there. This is so obvious, I don't see why I need to mention it, but when traveling in that parallel universe as is PM, things obvious seem to be invisible?
"Huh? What? We're not in bed with Foxpro!"
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Krustyklimber (Member # 72) on August 17, 2008, 11:36 AM:
Lonny,
Yeah, he was at the controls at PM, when the chat opened up, and word got out I could be found there, he spent about two weeks booting people off there, who just wanted a piece of me...
He'd let 'em tell me off, until they'd go too far then poof, they were gone.
If my memory serves me correctly, Robert "Stretch" Cobb, was spokesman and salesman at the time, if it wasn't Randy Black?
Now, the PM Chatroom...
We had a pretty good assemblage of people there, for the most part, long after most of us were banned from the forums.
Krusty
Posted by Lonny (Member # 19) on August 17, 2008, 11:57 AM:
My mistake Leonard, I thought he was one of the few given the boot here.
Your memory is good Krusty. I had forgotten about Cobb... Another great choice LOL.
Vic, not to change the topic 180 degress, but are you going after one of those "cowes" bucks this year? I read some Jack O'C. stuff recently and about hunting Sonora and I have always found those little whitetails interesting.
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 17, 2008, 12:29 PM:
Craig Hamilton = Summers Eve
Posted by onecoyote (Member # 129) on August 17, 2008, 01:20 PM:
I remember the Shade Tree the Predator Posse along with a few others.
Don't remember how many years I've been doing this but I'm not an old fart yet lol.
The first Predator hunting forum I went to was the California site, I was told that was the first one on the internet? The Shade tree was a close second, does anyone know the facts on that?
Probably nobody cares but I'll say it anyways. Those of you that know of Frank, he is in south Carolina and has a new daughter he takes care of alone.
[ August 17, 2008, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: onecoyote ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2008, 01:42 PM:
Danny, "SPORTING ADVENTURES" may have been the first forum, where I met John Henry and Vic Carlson, for the first time. That was before I knew what a dog pile was! So much hatred. They were mean to me!
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Az-Hunter (Member # 17) on August 17, 2008, 01:50 PM:
Leonard is correct I believe, the only two I can recall online were Sporting Adventures,adnone called the Coffee Shop, they were ahead of any of the boards mentioned thus far.
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 17, 2008, 02:56 PM:
Leonard, the point that surprises me about HM is that no one has figured out that this place is really the one in bed with FoxPro. Me, Dave, Rich, Vic, and several others that pretty much run this place are all FoxPro users. After the bashing that the Minaska/WT guys gave you at the monster house I can't believe that you haven't come clean and told them all the truth!
One other thing that some of you fail to realize is that if you take a company that sold tens of thousands of units last year (I know the real number, but am not at liberty to say) verses a couple other companies whos sales were in the hundreds there are bound to be more supporters of the brand with the most callers out there. Do the math.
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 17, 2008, 03:08 PM:
"Me, Dave, Rich, Vic, and several others that pretty much run this place are all FoxPro users."
Wow
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 17, 2008, 03:19 PM:
Where in the hell is Mac Davis and his geetar when ya need him
Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
when you're perfect in every way.
I can't wait to look in the mirror
cause I get better loking each day.
To know me is to love me
I must be a hell of a man.
Oh Lord it's hard to be humble
but I'm doing the best that I can.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 17, 2008, 04:02 PM:
Hmm? I had forgotten the Coffee Shop? I used to contribute, I know JH did, but I don't remember Vic, but that was certainly pre CG days, so maybe they weren't joined at the hip, at the time?
Vic, I didn't do anything to your account, but let me know what the problem is and we will figure it out.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Dan Carey (Member # 987) on August 17, 2008, 04:06 PM:
Jesus was perfect, they crucified him.
Hitler had millions of followers, we killed most of them.
You get the drift.
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 17, 2008, 05:24 PM:
Ouch! musta hit a nerve. I was just making a joke with Leonard about his board (note smiley face and wink). I haven't had any say so with anyones board ever. But since the conspiracy theories are running rampant I thought it might be funny. Hell, it is funny!
Posted by MULE (Member # 63) on August 17, 2008, 05:57 PM:
Cal,
I was just joking around. I knew you were joking around as well
Just being my usual sarcastic self
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 18, 2008, 06:30 AM:
[QUOTE] [One other thing that some of you fail to realize is that if you take a company that sold tens of thousands of units last year (I know the real number, but am not at liberty to say) verses a couple other companies whos sales were in the hundreds there are bound to be more supporters of the brand with the most callers out there. Do the math.
/QUOTE]
I don’t overlook that fact and that’s one of the compelling reasons why I have avoided FP and will continue to avoid them. Nothing to do with quality or customer service .
It doesn’t take much pondering on my part to realize that if I want to locate coyote, I’d be much better off taking my wife out in the country and goosing her ass. Her voice howls would have a much better chance of getting howl backs than would tens of thousands of FP’s sounding like Bill Austin on one of his calls. It’s all about voice recognition and they will catch on if you over hit them with the same vocals and it really complicates things if other people are doing the same in your area. Coyote voices are controlled by genetics,just like humans, and it doesn’t take them long to know their neighbor from a stranger and in general will howl back quicker at a stranger than a neighbor(emphasis on in general) No idea how many FP’s are in my county but I’m getting the impression that it’s a lot. I might be better off using one of those “only sold a hundred last year brands”
With all this new found competion, I thinking i might get the fire for coons.
EDIT: How about that maidens guy and the reasons coyote pups howl back is because they think you are mom?
Sorry about the off topic.
Shade tree was about the first for me. But the hunting information board (HIS) campfire and several others had varmints and predator forums but weren’t basically geared to predators. When bob shut down he provided a link to PM, Bruce provided a link to CG. BTW, Bruce had the trade mark on Predator Posse and he was very quick to point that out. Might even been one of the reason for Bob to close his up. Any body remember the hogs in the dumpster and proposition whatever? That was about the end of ST.
Dennis
[ August 18, 2008, 10:34 AM: Message edited by: Greenside ]
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2008, 09:36 AM:
So, what do you want me to do, Cal? Suspend or ban? I'm pretty sure he didn't mean nothing by it? Still, they got to show the proper respect, so whatever you say?
Maybe I could just alter his Yurt line?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 18, 2008, 10:22 AM:
No not that! Dont mess with a mans yurt his yurt is his castle.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2008, 11:05 AM:
I'm a fair man, Paul. But, it's not my call.
Good hunting. LB
Posted by 3 Toes (Member # 1327) on August 18, 2008, 11:48 AM:
Ah hell, I guess you can let them stay this time Leonard. I'm a big boy and they don't bother me much.
Greenside, You theory is fine I guess, and I agree on having sounds that aren't overused in a particular area as far as the distress sounds, but I'd have to disagree with you on locator sounds. I have used Bill Austin sounds (mostly the interrogation howl) since I had it on cassette and played it through the siren of my truck. Myself and a couple other guys that I know use it occasionally, trap some of the same country where Bill Austin worked. So theres probably 30 or 40 years of Bill Austin sounds in this area, and guess what, that interrogation howl still gets coyotes to answer. I had a pair answer it this morning. But on to another point, I also have some sounds that I have gotten elsewhere and use on my FoxPro. Plus I have some "personal" sounds that I keep to my self. It has nothing to do with the caller or company, you can put anything you like on it. You aren't limited to what comes with it. That is the plus side of brands (not just foxpro) of callers is that you can load sounds that you create or find yourself. I wouldn't own a caller now that didn't give me that capability.
On another note, as far as actual coyote sounds in FPs library, I know there are several new ones in the works. I have been testing several of them. Many of them I recorded from my own coyote. And they work.
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 18, 2008, 12:11 PM:
Currently I have about 184 sounds on my fx-5 only 50 of them are fp sounds.Still most of the time I use the same 8 or 10 sounds.Though it is nice to be able to change it up fromm time to time. I get bored hearing the same distress but it still brings the coyotes. And each year we have new ears to sing to.
Posted by Leonard (Member # 2) on August 18, 2008, 12:18 PM:
I'd like a really good baby javalina distress. Where can I find one?
Good hunting. LB
Posted by Paul Melching (Member # 885) on August 18, 2008, 12:47 PM:
W. T. has one ,but you knew that.
Posted by Greenside (Member # 10) on August 18, 2008, 12:52 PM:
quote:
but I'd have to disagree with you on locator sounds. I have used Bill Austin sounds (mostly the interrogation howl) since I had it on cassette and played it through the siren of my truck. Myself and a couple other guys that I know use it occasionally
Cal I don't have any issues with the sounds per se, it's just the number of potential users that could be in my area on any given day or weekend. And most of them haven't a clue on what they are doing or what effect they are having on coyote.
Around 1990 or early 90's we used to run his "Sunrise Serenade" though a 30 Watt speaker powered by the truck cassette player. Just plugged it into a female jack wired in line with a rear speaker. Yes it worked and worked good at the time. And I still have a coulpe of his tapes in my truck that I practise against at times.
Here again, I'm not saying it won't or don't work. I just can't see where I'd have the edge by using a sound that potentially could be used by thousands of others. And this game is really getting to be about who has the edge. My old Sceery truckhorn style howler works real good for me but that doesn't mean I'm going to go out a couple times a week with it and work the same coyote.
Dennis
Posted by Bopeye (Member # 907) on August 18, 2008, 03:03 PM:
Greenside,
That's why I commented on that J. Maidens crap.
That was one of the dumbest things I ever read on a predator forum.
It amazes me that Jeff Maidens gives seminars and is prostaff for a few people. What a dork!!
Posted by Q-Wagoner (Member # 33) on August 18, 2008, 07:33 PM:
I remember the Shade Tree. That was the board where Scott and Ed were constantly battling and mostly about up wind or down wind issues. Also I remember Bill Martz brow beating Gerald Stewart into the ground day after day. I really felt sorry for Gerald but he stood his ground and was impressively diplomatic about the whole deal. LOL Honestly all the in fighting had me spooked off for a long time. I finally logged on at the Coyote Gods, Huntmastars and PM. And to this day I am still a member of all three.
A lot has changed over the years and a lot has stayed the same. The Internet still remains a piss poor medium for truly understanding and knowing people. On the other hand it has got me in contact with some really great people. Except for hunting season I am pretty much a Lurker on most of the boards. Your ears never get you in trouble. LOL
Good hunting.
Q,
Posted by UTcaller (Member # 8) on August 18, 2008, 07:42 PM:
"Your ears never get you in trouble."
Truer words were never spoken.lol
Good Hunting Chad
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